Group Wants To Destroy Scientology

An anonymous group of hackers, 100,000 strong, fittingly known as "Anonymous," has declared war on the Church of Scientology. This is taking place as of right now. Their websites are down, their phone lines are down and their fax machines are busy printing out black page after black page, the result of people wanting them shut down globally. This war started when a video of Tom Cruise praising the Church of Scientology was leaked onto the internet. The death of their founder, L. Ron Hubbard which happened to fall on January 24th, 22 years today, also contributed to the spark that started this war. The official news broke on NBC 3 hours after the battle started.

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I don't understand the purpose behind this. I don't pretend to know what Scientology is about nor to I really want to know.

But since when does any group have the right to tell someone else in this modern day what is right or wrong to practice as their religion.

It may be a quack religion....but every person has the right to practice what they believe in. Hopefully that doesn't sound like I am sticking up for cults...because I am not.

(TechMedik said @ #42)
I don't understand the purpose behind this. I don't pretend to know what Scientology is about nor to I really want to know.

But since when does any group have the right to tell someone else in this modern day what is right or wrong to practice as their religion.


This is going to sound rude, but you shouldn't go around speaking if you're not at least a bit more informed about the scenario. You've basically said "the Church of Scientology - it sounds like a religion, they claim they're a religion, therefore they should be allowed to practice their beliefs." You're correct on the latter half of that - a religion should be allowed to practice freely. Where you're making an error is on the first part. Read about the scientologists. Don't focus on their beliefs, but on their operation and on some of the nasty tactics they've used against ex-members and people who speak out against them. It's not an organization that contributes to our society - it is arguably negative, and arguably it is not a religion in the traditional sense, but more closely resembles a brainwashing scam. Once you're informed, feel free to make an opinion about what's going on.

Religions - even bad ones - serve society well in that they introduce absolutes into the cultures. Without absolutes, a society's idea of right and wrong would change as often as polititcians flip flop. What was considered wrong one day, may be acceptable the next. Society relies on many things being constant and stable. Without that, are we that much more than animals? Perhaps today murder is wrong, adults raping children is wrong... but what happens the the voice of the people who want to do those things is louder than the voice of resistance. For centuries religion stands and says xyz is wrong regardless of popular opinion because something greater than man declared it was so.

The idea of law is a religious one. Without law there is anarchy, war, and chaos. Civilization as we know it is not possible without the restraining, absolute, and consistant force of religion behind it. And yes - Atheism (or more accurately, Humanism, Materialism or Natualism) is also a religion.

That having been said -

There is a scam born every minute. There are many unscrupulous people (perhaps people who do not believe in absolutes) in this world willing to take advantage of others. Scientology is by far the most prolific of these scams. Most bona-fide religions have tracability back along their timelines, and much in them can be verified. Scientology goes back to L Ron Hubbard - a failed science fiction writer. How much more obvious can the big red flag that says "this is bunk" get?

Is the cyber attack on Scientology good or bad? It is funny. We laugh and say "good for them" when they go after such an obvious "bad guy". But then again there is a demonstration of how UN-absolute we all are. What if they went after Nuns trying to feed hungry children in orphanages? What if they went after blacks or gays? At what point does the same exact behavior become "wrong" to us?

How much did religion help to prevent a society's view of right and wrong during the Holocaust? How much did religion help those slaughtered during the crusades? I don't think religion has much of a purpose anymore aside from being a waste of time, resources, and a vehicle for brainwashing.

And no, atheism is not a religion.

Scientology is small potatoes on the scam scale in relation to Christianity and Islam. There's nothing in either of those related scriptures that can be verified other than the existence of certain people, places, and historial events. In other words, no evidence of there being anything more than those three things involved- no gods, no supernatural- nothing more than humans. Religions are trends. Christian mythology is en vogue now, just as Greek and Roman mythology were a la mode back during their heyday.

Perhaps you should question your beliefs. What makes you think the people in the CoS are running a scam, but the people who wrote the Bible and Koran are not? You laugh at the people who subscribe to Scientology, but you might be one of a long line of suckers who have fallen for a scam.

At least it's an old scam, eh?

(Skwerl said @ #40.1)
How much did religion help to prevent a society's view of right and wrong during the Holocaust? How much did religion help those slaughtered during the crusades? I don't think religion has much of a purpose anymore aside from being a waste of time, resources, and a vehicle for brainwashing.

And no, atheism is not a religion.

The Holocost was perpetrated by Hitler, a man obsessed with Darwin's survival of the fittest and his theory of evolution. Indeed Hitler's religion did drive him. The crusades were politically motivated by a corrupt Catholic church drunk with it's own power. And since the existance of God cannot be imperically proven or disproven, to believe there isn't a God is to do so without direct, observable evidence. Belief in the abcence of observable evidence is faith - which all atheists must have to believe as they do.

Scientology is rediculous. First, you have to pay to play. Second, the Jedi religion is more believable, and carries more substance.

I think we should shut down ALL religion and atheism and white people and black people and basically do away with everyone. It's only reasonable.

i would say that there are bigger fish than CoS, but either way...

We are Anonymous
We are legion,
We do not forgive,
We do not forget

The best part about Scientology is that it was all based on a wager between science fiction writers to see who could create the most absurd religion.

You'd think that the moment these idiots paid their dues and had the "secrets" revealed to them about Xenu and the phenomenally stupid creation myth, they'd catch on to just what a joke it was. I mean... cripes.

People want something, anything to latch on to that will convince them to that something's in control and there's a reason for existence. Anything that satisfies that need is ridiculous by nature.

>>An anonymous group of hackers, 100,000 strong, fittingly known as "Anonymous," are about to be raped by Scientology's lawyers.

Fixed for truth. The CoS has successfully taken on the IRS and made the Cult Awareness Network their b--ch. These hackers really do not know what they're in for.

Funny as hell, though.

Has anyone watched that video from "Anonymous", or rather listened to it? It's too funny to take seriously. It's full of the usual crap that you'd expect your average seventeen year old to vomit from his mouth, and try to pass off as serious threats. "We shall proceed to expel you...."? Why not go the whole way: we will exterminate. Exterminate. Exterminate....


I bet the CoS are ****ing themselves laughing. There is nothing that "Anonymous" (Love that oh so sinister sounding name) can do that that the CoS can't pay to have fixed in hours. Idiots.

(SniperX said @ #29)
I bet the CoS are ****ing themselves laughing. There is nothing that "Anonymous" (Love that oh so sinister sounding name) can do that that the CoS can't pay to have fixed in hours. Idiots.

They still have some sister sites down. ;)

As I'm writing this...

http://www.scientology.net/
503 Service Unavailable
The server has been placed offline by the operator. Please try again later.
postmaster@scientology.net

http://www.narconon.org/ is down
http://cienciologia.org.mx/ is down
http://www.scientologie.tm.fr/ is down
http://www.scientology.org.za/ is down

Edit: Sci.net is up again; seems a bit intermittent

(Jugalator said @ #29.1)
They still have some sister sites down. ;)

As I'm writing this...

http://www.scientology.net/
503 Service Unavailable
The server has been placed offline by the operator. Please try again later.
postmaster@scientology.net

OK. Let's be really generous and say that the outage will last even 48 hours. What do you seriously expect to change? Do you really, even for a moment, think that the heads of the CoS are going to call a meeting and contemplate changing their ways because of a small group of imbeciles have managed to find holes in their systems that can be patched by just calling in some professional help?

There is absolutely nothing that this pathetic group can do that can't be so easily remedied. At best, they're a mild (but very temporary) irritant. Typical kids trying to play as adults. They're laughable. If I were you, I'd find better heroes to worship.

Damn it, too bad this church is not in China, Russia, Vietnam, or Cuba..Communism will pwn Scientology.

*EDIT: I wonder what Osama Bin Laden thinks of this church(Scientology)...

LOL at the random Osama comment too, but I think he dislikes it, much like he dislikes other religions than his extremist movement. I wouldn't think Osama is among the open minded guys here.

This is the wrong way of going about things. You can't get rid of religion by force.

100% agree. This is technically discrimination and going against people's right to practise freedom of expression / beliefs.

I am not keen on Scientology, but I defend their right to practise it.

haha what are these guys like...can't stand scientology myself but each to their own. These guys won't be able to keep them down forever.

As nutty as scientology is I find it even more amusing that these "hackers" think blocking their web site for a while is going to make them decide to drop their religion. It's like battle of the nitwits. In this corner, some dork living in his parent's basement...and in this corner, John Travolta and his army of Thetans. Let's get ready to...oh forget it.

http://www.scientology.org/ - website is up.

so much for the war.

Oh well I got better things to do than to pay attention to Scientologists, especially Tom Cruise, whatever happened to John Travolta & Scientology??? was he not a level higher than Tom ?

I Guess after Katie had L Ron's child, Tom has surpassed John & Kelly.

lol I am not getting into this debate you guys can believe what you want that what we all have freedom of speech. I may disagre with your comments and how you guys think Scientology's is good and better than christains and etc.but majority of the world knows they are people who believe in aliens and think aliens are our gods and savors when they are not because that what the bad guy is trying to do to make us believe that we were not made by the other guy.But again you guys can believe what you want.Also I aint saying all aliens juts the ones that say they made us or the ones that say they are our savors and say the other guy didnt make us.

Nobody on this page has praised scientology so stop making things up. Just about everyone on this page has spoken against scientology and praised what this hacker group is doing.

You also have no clue what you're saying about the "aliens are gods" theories some people in this world believe. Not all of them are into scientology. Actually most would think scientology is a joke. The people who believe God is an alien and that Christ was an alien/human hybrid, believe that these are the good aliens.

God created us and the Earth right? Where did God come from? God was around before everything right? By definition, God would be an alien because he's not of this Earth.

People say humans were created by the result of an asteroid that hit Earth years and years ago and that asteroid came from Mars. If true, that would also make every single one of us alien. Because our origin wouldn't be of this earth.

I'm not one of these people that believe God was an alien. I'm just an open minded person that studies a lot of alternative topics. I respect religions except for scientology. They're nothing but a brainwashing organization that believes an alien race is going to try taking over the world. They brainwash children and steal peoples hard earned money. I don't respect them at all.

(NightmarE D said @ #18.1)
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+1

i seem to be the same way, im Christian but im still interested to hear what other believe and why etc...im fine talking about my beliefs with other people...

Scientology is counter productive.

Exactly, it's funny that christians would make fun of scientologists given both religions are mainly run to make money (the Pope is the richest person in the world based on the wealth in the Vatican), and both of them have phony made-up stories about events which never occurred and for which there's no proof. At least scientologists aren't trying to change the way evolution is taught in schools, so christians are actually more of a threat to our future than tom cruise and his loonies...

btw anyone ever been to an evangelical congregation? Those guys scare me far more than any tom cruise video

(7Dash8 said @ #14)
Exactly, it's funny that christians would make fun of scientologists given both religions are mainly run to make money (the Pope is the richest person in the world based on the wealth in the Vatican), and both of them have phony made-up stories about events which never occurred and for which there's no proof. At least scientologists aren't trying to change the way evolution is taught in schools, so christians are actually more of a threat to our future than tom cruise and his loonies...

btw anyone ever been to an evangelical congregation? Those guys scare me far more than any tom cruise video

M8 thats only in the USA , in europe the church doesnt do that , so dont miss things

Its Funny that almost 90% of the new Deitys or Religions comes from the USA :P

wow...you need to get out more....obviously pulling s**t out of you @$$ and claiming it fact...

Christians are more of a threat because we dont believe the same thing as you?

(Berserk87 said @ #14.2)
Christians are more of a threat because we dont believe the same thing as you?

Where did I say that? Let me guess, as a Christian you can read my mind? I'm not a scientologist, so nice try. What I said is that Christians are a threat because they're trying to force schools to teach creationism instead of evolution in the U.S. Isn't that a fact? What's this 'Intelligent Design' BS being forced upon people by Christian fundamentalists? That's not a threat?? What about the genius christian President who wages war on people for phony reasons??

Wake the **** up people, all of these crazy christians, muslims scientologists whatever are a threat. Stupid people breed on religion, if hackers are going to attack one they should attack all of em.

why do you consider people being taught about other beliefs a threat?


from the few things you've said you instantly make yourself look very biased and very close minded.

and no one would waste there time trying to explain something to you.

I agree with Beserk87 that the other guy seems to be closed-minded and quite judgmental, but I think I see what he almost... might have been....... trying to get at.

I don't mind people being religious as long as it's not the redneck let's-go-kill-all-the-evil-Muslims style; hell, I'll even put up with that as long as they don't push it in my face and try and make me believe it too. That's my problem with a lot of branches of religion.

(Berserk87 said @ #14.4)
why do you consider people being taught about other beliefs a threat?

What a joke. So you're telling me you're fine if they start teaching islam and scientology in schools as an equally valid point of view? Crap!

Fundamentalist christians aren't just trying to teach a bit of christianity in schools, they want Intelligent Design taught as the actual basis for science classes!! And you're telling me that making our kids dumber by teaching them this is not a threat??

There's a difference between being taught about other beliefs, and having the fairy tales of religion forced upon kids in schools as though its fact.

(Esvandiary said @ #14.5)
I agree with Beserk87 that the other guy seems to be closed-minded and quite judgmental, but I think I see what he almost... might have been....... trying to get at.

I don't mind people being religious as long as it's not the redneck let's-go-kill-all-the-evil-Muslims style; hell, I'll even put up with that as long as they don't push it in my face and try and make me believe it too. That's my problem with a lot of branches of religion.

exactly.

its the extremists that scare people away, or make people feel threatened.

Christian Extremists with the signs saying "your going to hell" and all that other stuff.

then theres ANTI religion extremists, which everyone just ignores cause theres no point talking to them, they get one idea set, and they will never change.

(Berserk87 said @ #14.4)
why do you consider people being taught about other beliefs a threat?


from the few things you've said you instantly make yourself look very biased and very close minded.

and no one would waste there time trying to explain something to you.

Those beliefs (that is, religion) have no basis in logic or truth. Thus, they should be taught only in the context of mythology.

both religions are mainly run to make money (the Pope is the richest person in the world based on the wealth in the Vatican), and both of them have phony made-up stories about events which never occurred and for which there's no proof
You're just making yourself look stupid. The Pope is not rich, nor are most priests and members of religious congregation. I don't know about evanlegical preachers but you've clearly never met a catholic priest and observed his way of living for saying such meaningless generalities.

Secondly, there is more evidence and rationale behind the articles of catholic faith than most of what is accepted as "scientific theory" today, or so-called "secular" beliefs such as the absoluteness of the charter of rights, liberalism, socialism, etc.

Learn and speak after.

What's amazing is that such glaring absurdities are allowed with no reaction or moderation. If people so short-sighted as you were brought up in islamic culture you'd be a retarded extremist.

(Dr_Asik said @ #14.9)
You're just making yourself look stupid. The Pope is not rich, nor are most priests and members of religious congregation. I don't know about evanlegical preachers but you've clearly never met a catholic priest and observed his way of living for saying such meaningless generalities.

Secondly, there is more evidence and rationale behind the articles of catholic faith than most of what is accepted as "scientific theory" today, or so-called "secular" beliefs such as the absoluteness of the charter of rights, liberalism, socialism, etc.

Learn and speak after.

What's amazing is that such glaring absurdities are allowed with no reaction or moderation. If people so short-sighted as you were brought up in islamic culture you'd be a retarded extremist.

snap :)
mm well, that's the internet. people who live on here draw their knowledge from other people living on here with no actual experience of the generosity of any religion, who do more help for mankind than anyone else put together. physically, as well as spiritually.
scientology on the other hand...

Scientology's I dont like there faith and hope people dont believe them or go to them when we really do have aliens if aliens do come to earth.Scientology's believe that aliens are our gods and they made us and etc which is not true if you are a church person then you know the thing is if a alien said they made us or etc or our god then that means they are fallen angels and that means they are with the bad guy which you guys know who that is if you are a church person.So I am pro for the hackers because Scientology's is a cult and a brainwashing religion etc etc.One other thing I am for non violent protest so as long as these guys protest thats fine as long as its in non violence.Poeple should be aware that its a brainwashing cult religion place thats believes in aliens and that aliens are our gods and savors which isnt true.

aliens may very well be our gods, they have about the same level as proof of who/what god is as any other religion does

little to none at all

Longest sentence ever:

Scientology's believe that aliens are our gods and they made us and etc which is not true if you are a church person then you know the thing is if a alien said they made us or etc or our god then that means they are fallen angels and that means they are with the bad guy which you guys know who that is if you are a church person

Guess I'll have to be the voice of dissent here. How is attacking anyone because of their religious beliefs in any way good? What makes one or many peoples' religion wrong or bad? Why is Scientology always given such low regard because of what they believe, the story of Christianity is not much saner.

Scientology's main purpose is to brainwash it's members and extort them of their money. They will also try to screw with anyone's lives that want to cause harm to them. There's a lot of information out there about the crap Scientology does.


Scientology has nothing in common any other religion...they charge money to hear about there "religion" and cause harm to people.

If you cant post maturely, you shouldn't post anything...

You should look into scientology some. There's a reason they used to (still might be not sure) be seen as a type of terrorist organization because of the brainwashing techniques they've been known to use. Read some of the documents that this group hacker group released. One talks about how they need to take young people and "straighten them out". Yet in another it talks about how we shouldn't force things onto young people.

I've seen the Tom Cruise video and how he says that he knows that when driving by a car accident he knows he's the only one that can help because of scientology made me sick to my stomach. When he does a movie he has scientology tents set up all around the set. He throws it into peoples faces any chance he gets.

(trashpickinman said @ #12)
Guess I'll have to be the voice of dissent here. How is attacking anyone because of their religious beliefs in any way good? What makes one or many peoples' religion wrong or bad? Why is Scientology always given such low regard because of what they believe, the story of Christianity is not much saner.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientol...m/belgium5.html
They're considered a sect in Belgium, so I don't look at them as a religion :P

Even so, I don't think it's right to attack them like this.

Religions want to spread their faith, even without charging for it. They'd embrace people spreading their religious texts, not sue them. There's some difference here.

The attack is not because of the beliefs. The attack is because of the illegal, unmoral and sadistic nature of this group.

The legion shall prevail.

4chan ftw.

(Xilo said @ #12.1)
Scientology's main purpose is to brainwash it's members and extort them of their money. They will also try to screw with anyone's lives that want to cause harm to them. There's a lot of information out there about the crap Scientology does.

i fail to see how is it different from religion :). I really dont mind seeing a world without religion etc..

(Xilo said @ #12.1)
Scientology's main purpose is to brainwash it's members and extort them of their money. They will also try to screw with anyone's lives that want to cause harm to them. There's a lot of information out there about the crap Scientology does.

Pretty much sounds like all religion to me.

100,000 hackers... all united in a common goal? Do they mean a bot net 100,000 strong? I'd believe that. Bad reporting.

(Budious said @ #9)
100,000 hackers... all united in a common goal? Do they mean a bot net 100,000 strong? I'd believe that. Bad reporting.

Botnet? Heck, I'd sign up. They should have made like Seti@home.

+1 LOL!

Plus you have to see the video of "ANONYMOUS"..

"For the good of your people, for the good of mankind, and for our own enjoyment.