Hacker loses extradition appeal

A Briton accused of hacking into top secret military computers has lost a Law Lords appeal against being extradited to stand trial in the US.

Gary McKinnon, 42, could face a life sentence if found guilty of gaining access to 97 American military and Nasa computers from his London home.

Glasgow-born Mr McKinnon admits breaking into the computers but says he was trying to find information on UFOs.

He lost his case at the High Court in 2006 before taking it to the Lords.

The US government says he committed a malicious crime - the biggest military computer hack ever.

He is accused of hacking into the computers with the intention of intimidating the US government.

Prosecutors say he altered and deleted files at a naval air station not long after the 11 September attacks in 2001, rendering critical systems inoperable.

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(GEIST said @ #17.2)

So the fact that he didn't go to any of these other governments renders him a non-threat? Yeah right, nice "logic". :rolleyes:
Somebody watched too much 24...

He was no threat. He showed the Yankie boys how stupid they really were. Yeeeehar.

And no, I haven't been watching "too much 24"...I've never watched an episode of it!!!11111111111ELEVENTYONE!!!1

(Lt-DavidW said @ #18)
Okay... I contributed this exact article at 10:43 this morning - the exact same news clipping and source.
I posted it at the exact same time I updated the BPN forum article at http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...view=getnewpost

I also did not get credited for my contributed article on Windows Mojave. It's not nice having user-contributed news go uncredited.

Say, do you post news for the sake of posting news, or just to get your ego stroked on the Internet?

(GEIST said @ #18.1)

Say, do you post news for the sake of posting news, or just to get your ego stroked on the Internet?

Neither. I post what I feel is newsworthy to Neowin, especially on weeks and weekends when the news flows slowly here.

It doesn't annoy me that I wasn't credited per se. What annoys me is that some of my submitted news gets passed off as being submitted by someone else.
It also annoys me that there are two sets of comments for each news article when an article is posted in 'Breaking News'. I have raised this problem on several occasions already.

I think it's very out of order that we would fight to keep that russian guy protected here in the UK against deportation to russia, but we won't protect one of our own people against the USA... Hypocritical much. I seriously doubt the yank's would deport an american to the UK if some yank hacked the UK Military.

Yes, he committed a crime, but it was committed on English Soil and as such he should be charged, tried and punished in England.

(Cheshire Cat said @ #20)
I think it's very out of order that we would fight to keep that russian guy protected here in the UK against deportation to russia, but we won't protect one of our own people against the USA... Hypocritical much. I seriously doubt the yank's would deport an american to the UK if some yank hacked the UK Military.

Do you have any facts to back up the assertion that the American government would not "deport" a criminal from America to the UK? Seems to be idle speculation on your part

(Cheshire Cat said @ #20)
Yes, he committed a crime, but it was committed on English Soil and as such he should be charged, tried and punished in England.

Correction the computers that were attacked are clearly on US soil and owned by the US government, making this a crime ( and punishment) well within American Sovereignty.

Its all a scam, is pretty easy (but take some time) to be untraceable, in fact is one of the first rules of hacking, even a script kiddie can do it hacking anonymous in some cybercafe or hanging in a free wifi spot.

I think that the CIA is involved on it just for create a international precedent and it is not the first case.

I thought about that possibility as well, because this whole thing just seems too ridiculous , I mean come on! He gets caught because he miscalculated the time? And he didn't download anything to his computer because he was using a modem connection? Wouldn't a "uber"-computer geek at least have broadband?
This could lead to a future where you could get accused of "hacking" American computers and then get picked up by the CIA at your home (even if you're not a US citizen/slave).

Its not a scam or some government conspiracy. The dude was a moron in the sense that he hacked in to a countrys network and didnt expect to get caught or suffer the consequences. I highly doubt he was searching for UFOs and it seems to me that is just his excuse. Yea, hes a smart person for hacking in to the network...but he is a complete moron for getting caught. But dont worry, after the US gets him, pressures him, breaks him, they will give him a good job with lots of $$$.

"Prosecutors say he altered and deleted files at a naval air station not long after the 11 September attacks in 2001, rendering critical systems inoperable."

yea, the altered and deleted files would be the security logs therefore rendering their tracing software inoperable since there wasn't anything to trace

gotta love the spin they put on this ****. life in jail is ridiculous and it's even more ridiculous that the UK is handing him over when he didn't do anything major. if he killed someone, i could understand. but looking at some files? give me a break

It's almost as if people aren't aware how the criminal justice system works. You charge people with everything you can, knowing that not everything can / will stick when it comes to trial as well as to keep as many chips in your court when it comes down to pleas. It happens in every single possible criminal case ever. Pay any sort of attention to the real world and you'd understand that.

*Gasp* he's being tried with the possible penalty of life imprisonment probably because he'll likely be able to walk away with 5 years minus time served because the jury will be completely ignorant of how networks function, and not believe how someone half a world away could hurt national security.

The case hasn't even really started for this guy, once he's state side the cards will come out to play and he'll likely be able to walk away with a temporary insanity plea if he shows exactly how / what he did as well as help recover the data destoryed (It's very unlikely he didn't take it for himself).

Funny how the US gets other countries to give up their citizens. Almost communist like even.

the government is the worst at network protection. I could leave my sliding glass door open and have better security then the government. this guy could be smart and do a deal whereby he shows them where the weak points are and work for them..but then again..

this feels like typical US propaganda.. big bad Brit hacks federal network whose doors were wide open. you don't enter where you don't belong even if the door is open.

just like you don't walk down a street screaming racial slurs just because you have the 1st ammendment...

The guy is still "alive" because he didn't get into real "top secret" files like info on current/past operations and the like.

That said, regardless of what he gained access to or not, its true he's being used as a guinea pig. But, a military is above all, an organization that uses force and kills people when diplomacy fails or when another nation attacks.

Whatever the system he got into, there could be personnel files, some info on operations or other data that's a no-no to get access to. Whether he saw it or not doesn't matter. Perhaps they can prove he did or perhaps he was good enough to really cover his tracks. Leave that to the courts to decide.

As far as extradition goes, anything that's deemed a federal crime - the kind that will get the FBI and special agents after you - has generally always had extradition agreements. Likewise, if an American broke into UK military records, they would be extradited.

He should have thought about the consequences of his actions now he might have to spend a life sentence shacked up with "AssTaker".

Exactly. If you hack into US military or government computers you are compromising the whole nations national security. That is a very big deal to me. If higher security came out of the ordeal, then that is good. But the government's message needs to be: "don't even think about trying it, or face the consequences."

"Oooh! He's a hacker (well, a pathetic little script-kiddie but still!) and *I* like to pretend that *I'm* a hacker, so I'm going to rally behind him! Rabble rabble rabble! Yay, now I'm a hacker, too!" --majority of the twats in these threads.

This guy was an idiot. Period. He knowingly and willingly broke into government systems. Not just government systems, but *military* systems. It doesn't matter how he did it. It doesn't matter if it took true genius and skill or a sad little script he found on the web. He broke laws -- international laws -- and knew what he was doing was against the law. It doesn't matter if it was the United States, the United Kingdom, Germany, China, or Zimbabwe.

He deserves to be punished and punished hard. Not just for breaking international laws that even the simpliest person on the planet knows is wrong, but also for just being such a complete and utter fool for even thinking about doing it.

"Whaa! The US sucks! Whaa! The UK was too stupid to get their own extradition treaty! Whaa! WHAA!"

If I could digitally slap some of you people I so would.

well for a country that didnt even give one of its own a fair trial its making a big fuss over our guy. he might have got in but those servers should have been protected. the only person who should be getting slaped here is the stupid ass idiot whos job it was to secure the system.

Mind telling us what you're talking about in regards to "well for a country that didnt even give one of its own a fair trial its making a big fuss over our guy." ???

OK, not interested in his excuses, of if he gets sent to the US for trial, all I want to know is...

Did he find the UFO info or not?

Sad that he lost the trial at UK. I have always thought that one's country must protect you against others. Even when you committed a crime because you can always be prosecuted in your homeland.

He committed a crime, and must face the consequences, but not that ridiculous time.

On the other side, i'm with you: Where's the UFO info (If there is any)?

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