Has the Xbox One 'alienated the entire military'?

Microsoft has stated that the Xbox One console needs to be connected to the Internet at least once every 24 hours for gaming. This decision has been highly controversial, but now one person says that Microsoft's move could make a large section of gamers very unhappy.

Jay Johnson, who has served as a member of the US Navy for the past eight years, states in a blog post on Gamasutra that he is a huge Xbox 360 fan, saying his console has accompanied him "around the world, its steady (okay loud) hum and green ring offering a temporary lull in my otherwise chaotic day-to-day."

The Xbox 360 doesn't need an Internet connection to play games and Johnson writes that he and his military buddies have spent their time off from work by playing Halo or Gears of War. However, Johnson feels that the Xbox One's Internet requirement is something that will be a huge barrier for people in the military. He states:

No longer will you see Marcus and Dom sawing through the Locust Horde at the bases in Afghanistan after the Marines have returned from patrol and want to escape their reality for a bit.  Those days are now firmly behind us.  Microsoft has single handedly alienated the entire military, and not just the U.S. military, the militaries of the entire world.

Johnson adds that he will shift his attention to Sony's PlayStation 4 console, which won't need an Internet connection to play games.

Source: Gamasutra | Image via Microsoft

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I'm confused on why you need an internet connection to play. I just don't get why they would do that. What am I missing? What's the benefit and why would they do this? What is the benefit to people that will have an internet connection?

Right so lets say its possible for the Military to get special Xbox One's that don't need an internet connection. They still require Kinect, and what happens if a taliban member hacks into the Kinect.... they can spy on the Military base. If they're gonna issue special Xbox One's then they need to remove the kinect requirement too.

Lol. You do realize at some point, new games won't be released for the Xbox 360 anymore. I'm pretty sure people want the next generation of gaming without having to deal with the worries of not having Internet constantly. That's why everyone wants the X1 to fix that worry.

Surely the answer is to be able to optionally set your Xbox to lock selected licences to your console. This disables the cloud play on another console for that licence. New games would require an internet connection to enable you to lock the licence, otherwise all locked games will play indefinitely, but would get flagged up as locked when you take the disc to a store to trade in. If your Xbox dies, gets destroyed or gets stolen, you make a claim via Microsoft Support and they unlock your licences. If the xbox should happen to go online after reporting it stolen/destroyed, it gets totally disabled. If just the hard disk fails, your Xbox's hardware id will still enable it to download the games when you put a new hard disk in it. They can see how many times you've claimed and ask for more proof of the theft/return dead Xbox etc. if it happens more than 2-3 times.

This is my opinion on what Microsoft should do.

Games are installed into the game list will be marked as below:
- Games marked as original install, when they are bought and installed by the owner.
- Games marked as shared install, when they are installed from a shared games.

First time when the game is installed from disc or digital copy, it will require to connect to internet, and verified from Xbox server.

XboxOne will still check every 24 hours.

If the console cannot connect and verify after 24 hours, all shared games from the game list will be disabled. You can only play original games that you buy.

That will be the same for all of your shared games. People in your shared list will not be able to access and play them as well.

When the console can connect to internet and verify with the server, all shared games will be enabled again.

Were acting like Microsoft is depriving our troops of something they NEED. A lot of you are acting like Microsoft is trying to kill our troops.

"Hey lets make the system require always on broadband. Oh wait, no. The troops wont be able to play. Lets scrap forward thinking so that the troops can play."

I think the real big **** YOU our troops have received recently is being sent into countries we dont belong in and getting killed, by OUR GOVERNMENT.

Boycott the government, move to Canada.

spedanden said,
Were acting like Microsoft is depriving our troops of something they NEED. A lot of you are acting like Microsoft is trying to kill our troops.

"Hey lets make the system require always on broadband. Oh wait, no. The troops wont be able to play. Lets scrap forward thinking so that the troops can play."

I think the real big **** YOU our troops have received recently is being sent into countries we dont belong in and getting killed, by OUR GOVERNMENT.

Boycott the government, move to Canada.

Yeah because invasive and inconvenient DRM is so forward thinking ... lol, fanboys

"So you say you can't get online once ever 24hr to do the checks? then you should choose the 360!" - Microsoft PR guy

Here is my two cents but first note I am NOT American and therefore don't care in any nationalistic sense for your military, do we really want military personal playing Xbox style games im guessing they wont be playing mine craft a first person shooter doesn't seem right somehow to be playing on your off hours.... but don't shoot me pardon the pun... have we heard from MS what speed of internet is even recommended for the xbox one?

Its been proven people who play video games respond quicker to situations... so actually, them playing games in their off-time is actually good for their job.

Also there'd be no way in hell the military would approve such fruitless uses of their costly data connections, even if it was only 1MB total transmission for verification once a day.

Common people, physical discs are on their way out no matter what you think. It's happing sooner (for Xbox) or later (Playstation), but that's the way it's going to be.

I can tell you from my time in the military (UK) that the 360 is pretty much de-facto amongst servicemen. I don't know why it is so prevalent over the PS3 but it just is. The Xbox One would have been a given if Microsoft had gotten it right however due to the always online requirement, it will HAVE to be PS4.

Quite sad, but at least there is one option for the servicemen to enjoy on their downtime.

Hey, did you notice: Steam requires Internet connection every time you want to play a game! Microsoft is very kindly to check just once every 24 hours ;-)

InfiniteLuke said,
Hey, did you notice: Steam requires Internet connection every time you want to play a game

nope!.

Hambone72 said,
I thought it was only once a month, no?

Which one? Steam or XBox One? XBox One is stated in the article for "at least once every 24 hours". Steam needs to connect everytime I start the app. I'm not sure how it is if I'd have it stay open.

"Microsoft alienates scuba divers since no Wi-Fi underwater.."

"Xbox One alienates astronauts"

it could go on and on..

Hahaha. It cannot get any more riduclous, it is 2013 and people get carried away with a requirement to connect a gaming console which is pretty much useless without a network connection to.. the network.

This is even sillier than the discussion about the startmenu. Here is to hoping Microsoft tells them to get lost.

By the way surely the millitairy are not meant to waste tax payer money on playing games ?

sjaak327 said,
...By the way surely the millitairy are not meant to waste tax payer money on playing games ?

Obviously, individuals are buying their own XBoxes, with their own money, and using them on their own time.

It is not taxpayer money. It is theirs to spend as they choose.

Hambone72 said,

Obviously, individuals are buying their own XBoxes, with their own money, and using them on their own time.

It is not taxpayer money. It is theirs to spend as they choose.

Right, so then why is it even relevant they are militairy ? This is a non issue that much is clear.

sjaak327 said,
Hahaha. It cannot get any more riduclous, it is 2013 and people get carried away with a requirement to connect a gaming console which is pretty much useless without a network connection to.. the network.

This is even sillier than the discussion about the startmenu. Here is to hoping Microsoft tells them to get lost.

By the way surely the millitairy are not meant to waste tax payer money on playing games ?

Another moronic comment by sjaak.

COKid said,

Another moronic comment by sjaak.

I have a feeling you have no idea what moronic actually means. I know, it is easy to label comments "moronic", it is much harder to actually challenge them, to be able to that, you indeed need a brain

Come back when you"ve found one. That way we can discuss things as equals.

sjaak327 said,
Hahaha. It cannot get any more riduclous, it is 2013 and people get carried away with a requirement to connect a gaming console which is pretty much useless without a network connection to.. the network.

This is even sillier than the discussion about the startmenu. Here is to hoping Microsoft tells them to get lost.

By the way surely the millitairy are not meant to waste tax payer money on playing games ?

Neobond would kick my ass for some of the things Id like to say to you. Let me guess, you do nothing to help your country but you can sit behind your cool little computer and talk about military men and women who put their lives on the line so you can wake up free every morning. If you don't like how we spend your taxes, how about you get off your behind and preach world peace to the very people who would strap on a bomb and kill your family in an instant? Do you have a better strategy for protecting our country and allies? Are you suggesting we do this for free? What an imbecile.

JHBrown said,
Neobond would kick my ass for some of the things Id like to say to you. Let me guess, you do nothing to help your country but you can sit behind your cool little computer and talk about military men and women who put their lives on the line so you can wake up free every morning. If you don't like how we spend your taxes, how about you get off your behind and preach world peace to the very people who would strap on a bomb and kill your family in an instant? Do you have a better strategy for protecting our country and allies? Are you suggesting we do this for free? What an imbecile.

Please spare me the ********. There is nothing noble or exceptional about being in the militairy, it is a job like any others and there is absolutely no need to suggest that people that are not in the militairy do nothing to help their country. In fact some help more, as they pay more taxes for instance. May I also remind you of the fact that no one is forced to do this job, so not sure why there should be any reason we should have pity with the guys.

So while Microsoft are trying to redefine the entertainment landscape for those of us lucky enough to participate, the rest of you whine and bitch and moan.

PSN+ is about to get a lot busier.

Good thing Sony asked MS for help in securing their datacenter.

You ever been in the military!? You'd probably not be making statements like that if you were [in the military]. Recreational activities esp. for those overseas and/or in war zones, is paramount to keeping them mentally fit. I know when I was the military, I needed to blow off steam and my computer was good for that.

wingliston said,
They should be working, not playing games.

you're right. We don't need MWR, USO shows, video games, magazines, or anything else to take our minds off war.. We should just be out in the desert, getting shot, blown up, and killed every day so you can sit on your fat ass right? People like you make me sick.

You try spending a year of your life like I and countless others did getting shot at, having bombs planted in the roads you drive on, and having to worry about being attacked or ambushed every time you drove into town. Then tell me "you don't need fun, you should just be working"

Get out of here troll.

SirEvan said,

you're right. We don't need MWR, USO shows, video games, magazines, or anything else to take our minds off war.. We should just be out in the desert, getting shot, blown up, and killed every day so you can sit on your fat ass right? People like you make me sick.

You try spending a year of your life like I and countless others did getting shot at, having bombs planted in the roads you drive on, and having to worry about being attacked or ambushed every time you drove into town. Then tell me "you don't need fun, you should just be working"

Get out of here troll.

Don't get carried away, he makes a very valid point. The fact that these people can complain about the x1 illustrates that they seem to have plenty of time on their hands. Most of them have probably never even been in a war, because if you would, this would be the least of your worries..

sjaak327 said,

Don't get carried away, he makes a very valid point. The fact that these people can complain about the x1 illustrates that they seem to have plenty of time on their hands. Most of them have probably never even been in a war, because if you would, this would be the least of your worries..

Another moronic comment by sjaak.

You're basically saying that Military personnel should be slaves with absolutely no free time. How utterly pompous of you.

Perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to sleep either?

Hambone72 said,

Another moronic comment by sjaak.

You're basically saying that Military personnel should be slaves with absolutely no free time. How utterly pompous of you.

Perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to sleep either?

Nowhere do I claim anything of the sort. They can have any free time they have, and as such, it doesn't matter they are militairy, bookkeepers, bartenders or other professions. However, it seems they think they are special in some way, as all of a sudden, they feel the need to whinge about something all other people have to deal with. I use deal, but in pratice no one needs to really deal with it, as this whole discussion is a non issue, a problem that simply doesn't exist. We are in the post pc era, but apparently an online requirement is reason for big panic, yet in the pc era this hasn't been a problem for at least the last 20 years. It seems the post pc era is a step backwards.

SirEvan said,

you're right. We don't need MWR, USO shows, video games, magazines, or anything else to take our minds off war.. We should just be out in the desert, getting shot, blown up, and killed every day so you can sit on your fat ass right? People like you make me sick.

You try spending a year of your life like I and countless others did getting shot at, having bombs planted in the roads you drive on, and having to worry about being attacked or ambushed every time you drove into town. Then tell me "you don't need fun, you should just be working"

Get out of here troll.

that your life choice.nobody is telling you to go to the military. i don't see why a company like Microsoft needs to cater to you or anyone specific for that matter.

Then our military is a waste of time. Games should be least of their worries. Rather than complaining about gaming, they should be happy they are even alive. Why not just keep playing Xbox 360 then?

Edited by wingliston, Jun 15 2013, 8:03pm :

slow news day huh. this is pathetic journalism grasping for straws on yet another xb1 internet connection article. Yes I realize people in the amazon won't be playing halo. and you know what, I'm fine with the PS4 being the console of the poor people. you can't drive a Ferrari in the jungle either and I'm fine with that. can we just move on already to something more interesting than yet another creative way to try to convince people not to buy a console? Let the few people with internet around the world (apparently quite rare thing) enjoy whatever console they want without making a crying baby argument about every little group of people that can't or won't get internet.

Have you ever considered that there may actually be a group of people that this p***** off. Clearly you don't like all the negative news, well in the same way you hate this news is the same way others are upset at this stupid restriction.

The fact is I think, when we heard rumors that the One required an always on connection, that it wasn't just a connect every 24 hours. It was goign to require always on. Microsoft likely heard the backlash and just for marketing and to make peace, just says once in 24hrs which is still stupid.

Everyone isnt going to be connected. I personally dont want to always be connected. This a total turnoff next to the $499 proce tag. MS is going to have to make the one be like the 360 or the One is going to be sitting in a lot of warehouses.

Whosoever thought this was a good idea, needs to be fired!!! Even if it was Bill Gates.

Nevermind... It's PS4 without second thought anyway. Xbone should be banned from the army due to spying processes running 24/7.

but Lamborghini do so farmers can still run that super tractor... you really don't understand business and public relations do you !!!

Microsoft is getting to be a lot like the US government, they don't listen or care about what the people they serve want. It's either take it or leave it, my way or the highway. They can stick the XBox One where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned.

PC master race reporting. what's going on? oh you want the best gaming system on earth? buy neither. anything else? that was easy.

I am on board with most of the stuff Microsoft is doing, but this is one area that I think they really need to rethink and come up with a better solution. Thank god this stuff isn't hard wired, that decision can be modified and changed, there just needs to be a large enough out cry.

well I say for neowin to be pulling straws with this article, it is about as large an outcry as it will be and MSFT has long moved on.

neonspark said,
well I say for neowin to be pulling straws with this article, it is about as large an outcry as it will be and MSFT has long moved on.

W8 and W8.1 docet......

They can just, oh, I dunno, let the military run it's own local authentication server. Not online on the internet but part of the bases intranet. The same idea behind enterprises running their own volume licensing servers or volume key servers for Windows and Office etc. Probably what they'll do actually.

Seems like they could solve all this by allowing a game to run (bypassing any online check) whenever the games disc is in the drive. That way you get the best of both worlds.

I've also heard that some universities block Xbox live services, that would mean a lot of students living on campus won't be able to play it either

Back then, the military played poker, bingo, golf, and read magazines. Its ridiculous to be having console debates, because games are cross platform now, and the military could just get a PS4 or stick with the 360. The Wii U is a pretty good console also.

Edited by Atomic Wanderer Chicken, Jun 14 2013, 3:46pm :

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
Back then, the military played poker, bingo, golf, and read magazines. Its ridiculous to be having console debates, because games are cross platform now, and the military could just get a PS4 or stick with the 360. The Wii U is a pretty good console also.

You're forgetting about the money that people have spent on a certain platform. For example, these people may have already spent money on Microsoft Points to purchase extras, may already have a yearly Xbox Live sub, etc.

Not to mention, that for the most part, large groups of gamer friends tend to own the same console as to be able to play with one another.

Of course, we're talking about the military, whom doesn't always have internet connection, but I'm sure you get what I'm saying.

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
Back then, the military played poker, bingo, golf, and read magazines. Its ridiculous to be having console debates, because games are cross platform now, and the military could just get a PS4 or stick with the 360. The Wii U is a pretty good console also.

Ummm, not quite cochese. When I was in the Navy (in the mid 90s), we had Satellite TV (all of like 5 channels), a Super Nintendo in our shop, and a small computer lab. The point here is preference and maybe exclusives. Some people prefer the XBox and its style over other things.

Oh, and from what I witnessed, only the older sailors played cards compared to the younger ones.

The saddest thing about this is he doesn't seem to be aware that Dom died in gears, he won't be hacking up any more locust anymore

The dumbest rehash of the this bash yet. One device doesn't have to cover every possible use. My Roku is a brick without my Internet yet it's a great device. Get over it already.

Spicoli said,
The dumbest rehash of the this bash yet. One device doesn't have to cover every possible use. My Roku is a brick without my Internet yet it's a great device. Get over it already.

Comparing apples with oranges.... My Netflix subscription is useless without internet but I can still play a DVD in my laptop without a connection. What is the next? I cannot read an eBook without internet?

No, the XBox One is clearly designed to be an Internet device just like the Roku. If you don't want an Internet device, don't buy it. The complaining is just getting idiotic.

I'd say MS has alienated more than the military. Retailer information on pre-orders has the PS4 outpacing the Xbox One (IGN reporting 3 PS4s for every 2 XBox Ones). I'm not exactly on top of past sales figures, but I've always been under the impression that in the United States that the Xbox 360 outsold the PS3 by at least a "good" margin.

which is pathetic considering sony, after 6 years in the market has sold 70 million units. MSFT about the same, and Nintendo just over that. It all amounts to about 240 million units every 7 years. That's 34 million per year.

In other more relevant news, smart phone and tablets, which are the primary gaming devices these days, sell that in a month.

the PS4 and all consoles are dead. they don't even know it.

TRC said,
Just curious but why is the Neowin main page plastered with XBox articles, where's the PS4 love?

You seem confused. Neosony is that way. >>>>

Um...if you actually looked at the articles most of them have "xbone isn't very good" slant to them...such as this one. Considering who wrote them, that isn't surprising.

Because PS4 is just PS3 with new hardware/games. XB1 is a whole new system compared to the 360, plus DRM, plus the check-in. Yeah, it's stirred things up a bit.

TRC said,
Just curious but why is the Neowin main page plastered with XBox articles, where's the PS4 love?

What's this got to do with this article? Also.. have you tried PS4 in the search box? You'll be amazed.

Neowin wasn't always a mainly Microsoft oriented site, but Microsoft news has been the main trend the last 2 years. Before that Neowin used to front page a lot more variety.

I believe the response would be the military are in the dark ages and need to enable internet access everywhere. Its 2013, for pete's sake. /s

I thought MS said they were working with the military in providing a solution for this?

Anyway, as the user above me stated, it's simple, if you want to have no 24 hour check then you should be allowed to use the inserted disk as proof of licence, like you do now. For the rest of us with a connection we can carry on as MS intended.

The solution is so simple it boggles the mind.. Just make sure that the system checks the disk if no internet is available.. Have the DRM if If you want to play without
the disk.. Seems to simple though.. What do I know..

Yeah. I don't mind the online check personally, however it seems unnecessary and they could be saving themselves a lot of headache by just checking the disc if no internet is available. Seems like a no-brainer to me, too.

R3DL1N3 said,
The solution is so simple it boggles the mind.. Just make sure that the system checks the disk if no internet is available.. Have the DRM if If you want to play without
the disk.. Seems to simple though.. What do I know..

That doesn't work with the way the XB1 DRM works. The disc is no longer the license, it just contains the installation files. You'll probably get an insert with the retail discs that has the serial code you enter to activate and then install from disc. You can download the game if you lose the disc and have removed it from your HDD.

mrp04 said,

That doesn't work with the way the XB1 DRM works. The disc is no longer the license, it just contains the installation files.

As I see it, this is where MS is going wrong.

All discs like you say are installation discs, nothing more. So to fix the 24-hour check-in...

to install any game, unit must be connected to the internet.

If no internet connection exists, then the installation pauses. A prompt to connect to the internet is given. If the user cannot connect to the internet, the the installation process ends.

Since no games can be installed without internet access, then there is no need to worry about people playing games they have no right to play. Therefore, people can play single player games offline for as long as they desire.

Edit: I guess reselling games becomes a problem with this, but something that probably can't even be fixed with a game license page on the internet or even at a kiosk in Gamestop.

silly, it's software, they can do WHATEVER THEY WANT. including detecting the disc, and if it is there, not check. simple. it would take an intern at MSFT 3 minutes to code that behavior in the xb1.

So, tell the people risking their lives for us to suck it up and move on? Hmm, not such a good idea. Anything that can make them forget, even for a short while, what they're having to do so far from home is a good thing.

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
Back then, they used to play poker and other things.

Yeah they just need to forget that technology exists and just play poker and masturbate.

/s

Soldiers33 said,
Perhaps the military should find something else to do for fun and stop complaining.

What are you talking about? They're at work, like all of us, once works over for the day you want to sit back, relax and have some down time. Which includes playing games.

Jesus some people need to grow up.

Soldiers33 said,
Perhaps the military should find something else to do for fun and stop complaining.

Let's put you on a tin can out in the middle of the ocean for 6 months to a year and see what you could come up for fun.

When I was deployed to the Med, our shop's Super Nintendo kept us entertained in the evenings.

Soldiers33 said,
Perhaps the military should find something else to do for fun and stop complaining.
I'd really like this guy to say that in front of me and my fellow soldiers. If you've ever been deployed like I have, you'd know that a working console could be the difference between you losing your sanity and going to the crazy house or making it through another day. Being in the desert is on a whole different level where one cannot describe, you need to experience it yourself.

One of my gaming clan buddies was deployed a couple years back, and kept contact with us when he could, which was maybe once a month at best. I just remember him coming to post on the forums and posting, "Dropped my apple in the sand today... ****" Felt bad for the guy, as he was having mortars and all sorts of crap thrown at their camp.

With that said, I would hope he could at least unwind the way we are able to whenever possible. Not saying this to bash the X1, but rather because I have plenty of family and friends in the military, and have even given it a go myself, so I have plenty of respect for what they do.

Soldiers33 said,
Perhaps the military should find something else to do for fun and stop complaining.

Says he who sits on his computer enjoying the 'freedom' military personnel has provided for you.

Soldiers33 said,
Perhaps the military should find something else to do for fun and stop complaining.

They use to have sex with the local women.... oh wait that'd never fly now days....

or better yet, not be in freaking deserts shooting people, and instead stationed back home with internet, xb1 and all.

seems kind of silly to complain about a console when you're getting shot at.

Soldiers33 said,
Perhaps the military should find something else to do for fun and stop complaining.

Don Mattrick, you're not welcome here.

neonspark said,
or better yet, not be in freaking deserts shooting people, and instead stationed back home with internet, xb1 and all.

seems kind of silly to complain about a console when you're getting shot at.

Easy to say when you don't have people to support yourself, or if you're not in a country where it's also a requirement for some level of service.

Military folks aren't complaining about what the X1 can't do; that part can easily be decided with one's wallet so it's truly a non-issue.

I can't for the life of me see how Microsoft hasn't come out and says it will remove the net connection requirement yet.

sava700 said,
I can't for the life of me see how Microsoft hasn't come out and says it will remove the net connection requirement yet.

Agreed. They said there was going to be some sort of exemption, but they really need to get their act together and start addressing these things. This is a VERY large block of their user base...

I can't either. The 24 hour thing must check that you are not playing games that you have sold or given to a friend. Surely if you have the disk in the console, it's yours and you should be able to play it!

Because it is needed to allow disc-less play, shared game libraries, and access to your games on a friends Xbox via the cloud. You're either going to check in with a disc in the machine or by pinging a server. MS chose the method that's more future-proof since physical media is on the way out.

I have 75 gig of bandwidth per month. A single game download is several gigs, if I'm lucky. Last month I downloaded just two games totaling 15 gig (not including the 5 gig of patches that came after); this doesn't include Netflix usage and regular internet. Sure, it's future proof... in 5 or 10 years when there are fewer transfer caps it will make a lot of sense. Until then, it is unfeasible to download most of my game content and stupid restriction. (Full disclosure; I have pre-ordered an Xbox One. The issues do not affect me directly, but they are still poorly thought out decisions on MS part)

I bet they will eventually. probably by next year depending on how it sells. remember the internet forums are just vocal minorities and the console market is dying so MSFT is trying to expand beyond it and target the market apple and google are trying to crack on the TV space. losing the irrelevant hardcore console gamers is a risk they are willing to take as this demographic is an endangered species in a world where Sony, the so called champion can't sell more than 10million devices a year as smart phone gaming pushes 1 million devices per day.

This is one of the points I have been making. The 360 was huge among the military... It is absurd to have such a requirement when so much of your customer base is deployed...

The requirement itself isn't an issue, they don't need to scrap it altogether, what they NEED to do is offer a work around for Military Users without compromising the security of the system in place. Theyre creating the steambox everyone has been waiting for and just like with the original release of steam everyone is confused and upset by whats happening.

Simplest fix is of course Disc = Authenticator

SteveyAyo said,
The requirement itself isn't an issue, they don't need to scrap it altogether, what they NEED to do is offer a work around for Military Users without compromising the security of the system in place. Theyre creating the steambox everyone has been waiting for and just like with the original release of steam everyone is confused and upset by whats happening.

Simplest fix is of course Disc = Authenticator

EXACTLY. That has been what I've been saying all along. If you want to play your games without the disc, then fine, it has to phone home... But if you play your games from the disc there is just no need... The only reason it is phoning home is because they wanted to allow people to trade their games in...

I think the problem MS has with the disk authenticator is that hacks can make an exact copy of a game and will still be playable unless it checked via online.

I think there's a simple solution to that, just like steam when you want to play a new game you have to authenticate it online and once that's done and that particular game (or game disk itself) assigned to your account you can be forever offline and still play the game.

SteveyAyo said,
The requirement itself isn't an issue, they don't need to scrap it altogether, what they NEED to do is offer a work around for Military Users without compromising the security of the system in place. Theyre creating the steambox everyone has been waiting for and just like with the original release of steam everyone is confused and upset by whats happening.

Simplest fix is of course Disc = Authenticator

That doesn't work with the way the XB1 DRM works. The disc is no longer the license, it just contains the installation files. You'll probably get an insert with the retail discs that has the serial code you enter to activate and then install from disc. You can download the game if you lose the disc and have removed it from your HDD.

The REAL simple fix is just requiring the console to be online for the game to de-authorize before you can trade it. That way the console does not need to keep checking in. So when a game is authorized on one console then it can not be used on another or traded. The console it is authorized on will have to be connected to the internet when you try to play the game on another console or trade it. Before you play on another console or trade the game your console will have to acknowledge that the game has been de-authorized and then the system lets you do what you want with the game. They could also have a manual de-authorize function if you want to do that and trade the game later.

Neo003 said,
I think the problem MS has with the disk authenticator is that hacks can make an exact copy of a game and will still be playable unless it checked via online.

For hacking the PS3, proxy software exists to allow hacked consoles to gain access to PSN. I'm sure such software could be made to stop the Xbox One from phoning home... set up a false server to handle the requests and give the machine the OK to continue letting you play games. Online authentication has been stripped from PC games as well.

I see no reason why this console can't be hacked just because it's got a 24 hour connection time. That's not a magical fix.

If such a hack is discovered, you'll easily be able to install anyone's games on your console and the proxy will tell your Xbox One you're allowed to play it. You already don't need the disc in the drive to play, and with proxy software you won't even need to open the console to fool it with a fake internet response.

I think piracy will be easier on the Xbox One than any console this generation.

Neo003 said,
I think the problem MS has with the disk authenticator is that hacks can make an exact copy of a game and will still be playable unless it checked via online.

I think there's a simple solution to that, just like steam when you want to play a new game you have to authenticate it online and once that's done and that particular game (or game disk itself) assigned to your account you can be forever offline and still play the game.


Because you cant lend/give/share/trade your game on steam.

Without this check, what is stopping you from buying a single player game (quantum break?), install it on 100 X1 one after another and just playing offline simultaneously?

M_Lyons10 said,
This is one of the points I have been making. The 360 was huge among the military... It is absurd to have such a requirement when so much of your customer base is deployed...

Not even just that though, but people who travel in general. I live in Houston, and we usually have guys who work on the ships traveling internationally. They more often buy an Xbox 360 than they do PS3s, as they look for something to kill the time. I can't help but feel bad for those guys who are going to accidentally buy the X1 and not realize they need internet.

Crimson Rain said,

Because you cant lend/give/share/trade your game on steam.

Yes you can gift and sell your games on steam.
I'm not sure if there are restrictions stopping you receive it back again immediately afterwards if you give it away, so you could effectively share it (I think it deactivates without removing all data but I'm really not sure I've not used it, it certainly would be painful if it required a full uninstall if you wanted it back again later)

Probably even less, all of my friends who have been in the military had access to the internet, I even played CoD with a few overseas...

Geezy said,

I think piracy will be easier on the Xbox One than any console this generation.

You forget about the Kinect being connected to the console at all times. The Kinect makes the Xbox One self-aware and attempting to hack it will result in bricking the entire unit.

I thought there was word that Microsoft were working with the military to offer them some sort of workaround? Maybe I made that up though, there's been rumours galore the last few days.
For some reason I never considered the military taking a break by playing a shooter game. It seems odd, taking a break from your job to play a game which is your job, just more manic. That said, I work in IT and at the end of the day I sit and browse the Internet, mess around with applications, etc...

I don't remember seeing that on any major gaming web site. I'm sure MS will come out with something though.

Intrinsica said,
I thought there was word that Microsoft were working with the military to offer them some sort of workaround? Maybe I made that up though, there's been rumours galore the last few days.
For some reason I never considered the military taking a break by playing a shooter game. It seems odd, taking a break from your job to play a game which is your job, just more manic. That said, I work in IT and at the end of the day I sit and browse the Internet, mess around with applications, etc...

The workaround was for them to buy a 360.

Intrinsica said,

For some reason I never considered the military taking a break by playing a shooter game.

Serious busman's holiday syndrome.
I used to love driving games, but when I got a job with over an hour commute, the last thing I wanted to do when I got home is play a car driving game!

MS has said they may issue special XOnes for the military. But right now a lot of the people there just bring their own consoles they bought in a normal store. I can't imagine how this will work hassle free.

If such a workaround exists, they would never bring it up in this climate of backlash. Imagine that users hear that MS can just flip a switch and the console can go offline, they would all start questioning the 24 hour connection limit even more than they are now, and it's already hard enough to swallow.

Its unfair to treat the military differently than your average family that might want to take it to the cabin with them for the weekend.

Intrinsica said,
I thought there was word that Microsoft were working with the military to offer them some sort of workaround? Maybe I made that up though, there's been rumours galore the last few days.
For some reason I never considered the military taking a break by playing a shooter game. It seems odd, taking a break from your job to play a game which is your job, just more manic. That said, I work in IT and at the end of the day I sit and browse the Internet, mess around with applications, etc...

Yeah, I heard somewhere (might just have been a rumor, I think) that they were going to be making very specific, one-time-use codes to "unlock" an X1 for certain people (including military) to allow it to work offline

Intrinsica said,
I thought there was word that Microsoft were working with the military to offer them some sort of workaround? Maybe I made that up though, there's been rumours galore the last few days.
For some reason I never considered the military taking a break by playing a shooter game. It seems odd, taking a break from your job to play a game which is your job, just more manic. That said, I work in IT and at the end of the day I sit and browse the Internet, mess around with applications, etc...

What makes the military a special case though?

- What about young Jonny who goes to university where the phone-home port is blocked?
- What about if my internet goes down, or I move house and have to wait 6 weeks for internet installation?
- What about people who don't have internet at home?
- etc
- etc

By themselves, these sorts of situations are rare, but it's a long list, and overall Microsoft are alienating a fair portion of their userbase.

People keep coming up with "workarounds", but what's the point? I could hook my Xbox One to my phone's tethering to get it to phone home, any MS could make a special edition for the Military, and young Jonny could request that his university open the XB1 phone home port, but then we could all just get Playstations and avoid the whole problem.

dr_crabman said,
MS has said they may issue special XOnes for the military. But right now a lot of the people there just bring their own consoles they bought in a normal store. I can't imagine how this will work hassle free.
My brother's unit did not bring them, but they did have some sent to them. This is splitting hairs, but I did think it was useful for understanding the process.

Intrinsica said,
For some reason I never considered the military taking a break by playing a shooter game. It seems odd, taking a break from your job to play a game which is your job, just more manic. ..

My buddy is in the Navy and just think about it.. groups of guys sitting around with nothing to do with no internet connection ... they just drink and watch movies and play video games when they are not on their shifts

They have announced that there will be military issue Xbox Ones. They can play offline after getting a special one-time activation from MS and come in a more rugged design.

Intrinsica said,
For some reason I never considered the military taking a break by playing a shooter game. It seems odd, taking a break from your job to play a game which is your job, just more manic.
Well what percentage of the military is in constant gun-fighting with real enemies? But even if that is your job, there is still a difference in the video games - they're not putting your life at risk.

Enron said,
They have announced that there will be military issue Xbox Ones. They can play offline after getting a special one-time activation from MS and come in a more rugged design.

source? I heard the exact same thing, but I thought it was just a rumor

Enron said,
They have announced that there will be military issue Xbox Ones. They can play offline after getting a special one-time activation from MS and come in a more rugged design.

It shouldn't be long before that is cracked and the codes are for sale online. I see this becoming one of those unlock your phone deals where the code is based on your IMEI.

in before the "just use your LTE connection", "your cellular connection", "your Sat Link connection", "your securenet connection" to connect comments...... MS has to realize that people will want to play this that CAN NOT get on the internet

neufuse said,
in before the "just use your LTE connection", "your cellular connection", "your Sat Link connection", "your securenet connection" to connect comments...... MS has to realize that people will want to play this that CAN NOT get on the internet

This. I was in the army, and in our barracks in Germany, only a handful of rooms could get internet (specific # of drops per building, and the provider would NOT install more.)

Then we deployed to kuwait. A few people chipped in and bought a satellite connection for the few months we were there. Again, our living quarters were spread out by a few hundred feet, and we could not source cat5 cable and switches to network all the living areas to share one or two sat links.

Then came Iraq. Nobody had internet except the Tactical Operations center (TOC). That was a secure military link back to Camp Liberty where our HQ was...so you think that got shared? nope.

One out of every 4 or 5 people had brought their Xbox with them. This is going to HIGHLY impact their player base. Good thing I just bought Sony stock. Someone at Microsoft needs to be fired for this ludicrous decision.

one out of every 4 people in a base aren't going to impact anything. you're talking peanuts. they've been written off as far as MSFT is concerned and can't say I blame them. there is a lot of poor people that can't afford either game console, and guess what, they are written off too. world ain't fair huh?

neonspark said,
one out of every 4 people in a base aren't going to impact anything. you're talking peanuts. they've been written off as far as MSFT is concerned and can't say I blame them. there is a lot of poor people that can't afford either game console, and guess what, they are written off too. world ain't fair huh?

And it's that exact attitude that will lose them far more supporters than it would otherwise have actually affected. Yeah, it's not fair, Microsoft, but **** you anyway. Facebook, Twitter, forums, poll's, pre order charts. The people have spoken, and it's not looking good, not good at all.

I also wonder about the return rate from the uninformed.

neonspark said,
one out of every 4 people in a base aren't going to impact anything. you're talking peanuts. they've been written off as far as MSFT is concerned and can't say I blame them. there is a lot of poor people that can't afford either game console, and guess what, they are written off too. world ain't fair huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces

1.4 million active duty people...so you're saying 350,000 units is "peanuts"? I don't care what company you are, I can't think of one company with good business sense that would write off 350,000 units (valued at what, 400$ a unit?) or 140 MILLION $ in sales...intentionally.

neonspark said,
one out of every 4 people in a base aren't going to impact anything. you're talking peanuts. they've been written off as far as MSFT is concerned and can't say I blame them. there is a lot of poor people that can't afford either game console, and guess what, they are written off too. world ain't fair huh?

If someone cannot afford an xBox that person is not a potential customer, someone who can afford it but decides to stick with the 360 or go with Sony because of the One limitation is a lost sale. Big difference.
As for one out of four or five being "peanuts" you miss the fact that one or two of the ones who did not have an,xBox while deployed and played with the unit the other guy brought could, once back home, got involved and buy it.

SirEvan said,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces

1.4 million active duty people...so you're saying 350,000 units is "peanuts"? I don't care what company you are, I can't think of one company with good business sense that would write off 350,000 units (valued at what, 400$ a unit?) or 140 MILLION $ in sales...intentionally.

350000 units is peanuts if you think of how many more games they will sell because of this strategy.. Go type in on craigslist hacked Xbox 360 and a ton are for sales with "hard drives full" of pirated games..

Those systems will not exist with the xbox one.. The only reason sony cannot handle this type of cloud system is that the last time they had one they got hacked and had 70 million peoples data released because of their crappy security..

Lachlan said,

350000 units is peanuts if you think of how many more games they will sell because of this strategy.. Go type in on craigslist hacked Xbox 360 and a ton are for sales with "hard drives full" of pirated games..

Those systems will not exist with the xbox one.. The only reason sony cannot handle this type of cloud system is that the last time they had one they got hacked and had 70 million peoples data released because of their crappy security..

It is actually because of that lack of security (at least at that time) that I have no faith in them. I don't really buy stuff on PSN anymore at all and rarely play my PS3.

SirEvan said,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces

1.4 million active duty people...so you're saying 350,000 units is "peanuts"? I don't care what company you are, I can't think of one company with good business sense that would write off 350,000 units (valued at what, 400$ a unit?) or 140 MILLION $ in sales...intentionally.


Beyond the physical sale of units, it's the bad press that this will generate that should worry MS. Soldiers won't tell their friends and family to get an Xbox, they will become advertisers for Sony.

The decision for an always on or every 24 hour check-in seems to be a very closed minded decision made by people sitting in nice houses with more broadband bandwidth than they can use.

The world simply isn't ready for an always on console. At the very least come up with a way to accomodate those who can not get an online connection, do not shut them out and say "Thanks, but no thanks. We don't want you as a customer anymore".

SirEvan said,
[...] Someone at Microsoft needs to be fired for this ludicrous decision.

Clearly Microsoft decided to make some bold (consider "bold" an euphemism) move where they don't care if they antagonise a "small" percentage of the market. Problem is that they are failing to understand peer marketing (or they are underestimating it, which is even worse). Yes, someone should be fired. And the remaining nimrods sent back to marketing school.

Lachlan said,

Go type in on craigslist hacked Xbox 360 and a ton are for sales with "hard drives full" of pirated games..

Those systems will not exist with the xbox one.. The only reason sony cannot handle this type of cloud system is that the last time they had one they got hacked and had 70 million peoples data released because of their crappy security..


hahahahahahahahahaha Oh god I laughed so hard.

neonspark said,
one out of every 4 people in a base aren't going to impact anything. you're talking peanuts. they've been written off as far as MSFT is concerned and can't say I blame them. there is a lot of poor people that can't afford either game console, and guess what, they are written off too. world ain't fair huh?

You're not just talking the US military, what about all the other militaries? I'm in the Air Force in the UK, unless I can take my Xbox One overseas with me, I'm not buying one. Im the nerd in my section, my work mates have turned to me to ask about the Xbox, 15 of them who currently own 360's have said "I'll have to get a PS4 then". I'm one person and with one comment I've lost 15 sales for Microsoft. 16 including the console I won't buy.