HD DVD Group Reports Over 100,000 Players Sold in the U.S.

The North American HD DVD Promotional Group has announced that more than 100,000 dedicated HD DVD players have sold in the U.S. in the format's first year on the market. This figure does not include sales of HD DVD PC drives or the Xbox 360 HD DVD player. Although raw sales of movies currently favour Blu-ray, the HD DVD Promotion Group points out that it leads in the area of standalone players. The HD DVD Promotional Group also noted that its format currently has the edge on mandatory special features, such as a network connection, picture-in-picture, persistent storage, and decode support for Dolby True HD. Consumers can also enjoy combo discs that include a DVD version as well as an HD version on a single disc for playback on both machines.

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Boz makes an excellent point. If Blu-Ray wins, it's going to suck.

I'd rather have a dual format conclusion like DVD +/- R. That way you get the size benefits of Blu-Ray if you choose but aren't bound to Sony's underhanded tactics if you so choose.

lets we forget guys... theres more places than the US... yes its amazing... And on a side note for the ppl saying blueray has more movies etc etc remember Eurpoe and AUS places like that? Blue ray isnt leading there last a read it was HD... could have changed since i last read but yeah...

Anyway for my final draw theres no way to say if ones going to win or not win so far but as far as i know HD is winning out side the US and Blueray is winning inside the US

Funnily enough here in AUS me and my friend havent seen a single HD-DVD movie in stores in QLD, and this is probably about 10 retailers all up including some of the bigger inner city retailers. On the other hand I've seen a fair few Blu Ray movies. Not an awefull lot but unlike HD-DVD at least they are there.

Perhaps I'm not looking hard enough (although I really shouldnt have to). Some online stores seem to have them but. Anyhow heading to the shops in an hr so I'll see then if theres any. However if HD DVD is indeed infront it better get its foot into motion otherwise sales could be in trouble since the PS3 just came out and titles seem to me at least to be alot more readily available.

brent3000 said,
lets we forget guys... theres more places than the US... yes its amazing... And on a side note for the ppl saying blueray has more movies etc etc remember Eurpoe and AUS places like that? Blue ray isnt leading there last a read it was HD... could have changed since i last read but yeah...

Anyway for my final draw theres no way to say if ones going to win or not win so far but as far as i know HD is winning out side the US and Blueray is winning inside the US

Quite right...in Europe the first results show HD-DVD win as consumers prefer it and a lot more studios support it in over there.

it leads in the area of standalone players

This is an irrelevant statistic. Whether or not a player is standalone is meaningless. It's the movie sales that count. And Blu-ray is ahead.

Just because you want it to be irrelevant doesn't mean it is. It's completely relevant, as it means that currently HD-DVD is in more homes than Blu-Ray.

Then again, I would expect no less from you, seeing as Sony can do no wrong in your eyes.

pixels said,
It's completely relevant, as it means that currently HD-DVD is in more homes than Blu-Ray.

The need to explicitly state that the data is for standalone players only seems to suggest that this is untrue..

I don't know what the total sales for PS3 is in the US, but i imagine its a lot more then 100,000

BGM said,

The need to explicitly state that the data is for standalone players only seems to suggest that this is untrue..

I don't know what the total sales for PS3 is in the US, but i imagine its a lot more then 100,000

Yes just over 1 Million PS3's have been sold in the US, however the Attach Ratios for Bluray Titles on the PS3 are gonna be far lower than for a dedicated player. In this business, its the amount of titles you sell, not the amount of players you sell that win you a format war.

However as time goes on, and news of large companies starting to develop decent dual-format players, i think in the end this format war will end up much like the DVD+RW/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM format war of ages past. People will simply buy a dual-format player and no-one will win.

Xavien said,
Yes just over 1 Million PS3's have been sold in the US, however the Attach Ratios for Bluray Titles on the PS3 are gonna be far lower than for a dedicated player. In this business, its the amount of titles you sell, not the amount of players you sell that win you a format war.
Yeah HD-DVD could be in trouble for this alone. Theres over 1 million PS3 and thats before you look at dedicated devices. PC and Xbox drives wouldnt come close to bridging this gap I'd assume. Now you can say that the attach rate will be lower for PS3 drives except of course that Blu Ray movies are also currently selling faster meaning theres more Blu Ray movies being sold AND more devices capable of playing those movies.

It seems to me that for the moment at least Sony has both the hardware and the media fields to it's name. I realise that Sony was literally giving movies away with the PS3 and that would somewhat skew the figures (although MS also gave away King Kong with the HD) but ultimatly them giving movies away will likely help sales in the long term anyway.

It'll be an interesting year or two I guess for the formats. I'm still convinced that with the PS3 that Blu Ray cannot loose the format war. That said I'm not convinced that HD-DVD will either and instead we're going to have a 2 format race for the next few years and that dual format players will be where the market spends it's money. In all honesty as soon as we have dual players I think most of the issues will be gone anyway besides those with old players or using consoles as their player of choice.

Smigit said,
Yeah HD-DVD could be in trouble for this alone. Theres over 1 million PS3 and thats before you look at dedicated devices. PC and Xbox drives wouldnt come close to bridging this gap I'd assume. Now you can say that the attach rate will be lower for PS3 drives except of course that Blu Ray movies are also currently selling faster meaning theres more Blu Ray movies being sold AND more devices capable of playing those movies.

It seems to me that for the moment at least Sony has both the hardware and the media fields to it's name. I realise that Sony was literally giving movies away with the PS3 and that would somewhat skew the figures (although MS also gave away King Kong with the HD) but ultimatly them giving movies away will likely help sales in the long term anyway.

It'll be an interesting year or two I guess for the formats. I'm still convinced that with the PS3 that Blu Ray cannot loose the format war. That said I'm not convinced that HD-DVD will either and instead we're going to have a 2 format race for the next few years and that dual format players will be where the market spends it's money. In all honesty as soon as we have dual players I think most of the issues will be gone anyway besides those with old players or using consoles as their player of choice.

You do know that the PS3 has flopped in nearly every major territory and is currently tracking behind the Gamecube, which was considered one of the worst selling mainstream consoles ever?

PS3 isn't such a lock on the format wars that everyone was lead to believe and now certain companies and studios are changing their viewpoint of the format wars towards neutrality, rather then Blu-ray.

the PS3 isn't a trump card anymore and thus, i believe in the end neither side will win and ultimately they will be superseded by superior unified format (maybe HVD).

If the PS3 turns out to be a complete console flop, the it will be nothing but a nice 600 bucks Blu-Ray player.
That doesn't change the fact that more people have the possibility of playing BD movies when compared to HD-DVD. As for movie sales, they're still too low...

Yes just over 1 Million PS3's have been sold in the US, however the Attach Ratios for Bluray Titles on the PS3 are gonna be far lower than for a dedicated player. In this business, its the amount of titles you sell, not the amount of players you sell that win you a format war.

How do you figure this? The number of titles plays a part but it is highly unlikely that the number of stand-alone players won't play a huge role. I completely agree with HD-DVD camp. PS3 is still under testing and why people are buying movies on Blu-Ray is because people who bought PS3s simply don't have games to play and are most inclined to buy movies. This will of course change as newer titles come out (because if they don't, you can say goodnight to blu-ray as the console which doesn't do anything but play movies is a complete miss).

Second, the number of sold stand-alone units tells you something. It tells you that HD-DVD standard is more prefered by people. This shows you that you had actually more people go out and buy a DEDICATED HD-DVD player. It's relevant, because people who bought PS3 bought it for gaming too and possibly for gaming first, then the Blu-Ray was an add-on bonus. Do you see what I'm saying.

Now, as for titles. I'll tell you something, it's amazing to me that everyone is telling that Blu-Ray has more sales and all that and when I go to Best Buy (I was there yesterday) I see 2 sides of HD-DVD movies and only one half of one side with Blu-Ray movies. It was pretty amazing. I don't know who to trust in the news, but what I see is what I believe.

Now, I will admit one thing..as I have both PS3 and XBox360 w/HD-DVD, I found myself buy 5 Blu-Ray movies yesterday and only 4 HD-DVD ones. The reason was, Blu-Ray had a few movies I wanted to have and unfortunately they were not available on HD-DVD. Now, it is important to say that I am a real consumer, a customer that Sony and Toshiba and Best Buy would love to have non-stop. I buy all new crap, I buy movies non-stop and upgrade my tech stuff almost as soon as new gen comes out. With this in mind, I have about 32 HD-DVD movies and 8 blu-ray movies and my last purchase was not 4:1 as they are trying to show and overall I have 4:1 HD-DVD titles over Blu-Ray.

And I have to correct you..Sony did not sell over million PS3 consoles. It's a fact. It's closer to around 600k units.

By latest numbers, the Blu-Ray player sales with PS3 included in the equation are 5:1 to HD-DVD Given that the life-to-date title sales ratios are close to 1:1, and given that Blu-ray has a 5:1 ratio right now on the hardware side due to the PS3, why aren’t Blu-ray software sales outpacing HD DVD by a similar ratio. If you just take logic this means that Sony sold around 500k-600k as I said above. The information you are confusing is that they SHIPPED 1.2 million units to North America stores. This doesn't mean they sold all of them.

Xavien said,
You do know that the PS3 has flopped in nearly every major territory and is currently tracking behind the Gamecube, which was considered one of the worst selling mainstream consoles ever?

PS3 isn't such a lock on the format wars that everyone was lead to believe and now certain companies and studios are changing their viewpoint of the format wars towards neutrality, rather then Blu-ray.

the PS3 isn't a trump card anymore and thus, i believe in the end neither side will win and ultimately they will be superseded by superior unified format (maybe HVD).

Yes the PS3 hasn't sold in ballistic quantities but that wasn't my point. My point was that at 100,000 HD-DVD units sony has still sold over 10x that number in PS's alone. Sure the 100,000 doesnt include PC and Xbox units but the PS3 sales done include PC and standalones either. So my point was regardless of the success of the PS3 as a gaming console theres still a large percentage more Blu Ray players out there. Sure PS3 hasnt sold great but we're still measuring sales in the millions where HD-DVD is in hundreds of thousands.

And I also don't believe it's a trump card. As I said above I don't think the PS3 will win them the format wars. However the large install base (the PS3 will help alot even if sales arent up there with the Wii/360 atm) and the fact Sony Pictures movies will be on the unit (a small benefit) will at least ensure the device doesn't lose the war. I really dont think the PS3 is enough to give it a victory but its enough to stop Blu Ray dieing anytime soon too IMHO.

The format war will end for me the day a dual player becomes available and consumers can forget about worrying which format their movie comes on.

Smigit said,

Yes the PS3 hasn't sold in ballistic quantities but that wasn't my point. My point was that at 100,000 HD-DVD units sony has still sold over 10x that number in PS's alone. Sure the 100,000 doesnt include PC and Xbox units but the PS3 sales done include PC and standalones either. So my point was regardless of the success of the PS3 as a gaming console theres still a large percentage more Blu Ray players out there. Sure PS3 hasnt sold great but we're still measuring sales in the millions where HD-DVD is in hundreds of thousands.

And I also don't believe it's a trump card. As I said above I don't think the PS3 will win them the format wars. However the large install base (the PS3 will help alot even if sales arent up there with the Wii/360 atm) and the fact Sony Pictures movies will be on the unit (a small benefit) will at least ensure the device doesn't lose the war. I really dont think the PS3 is enough to give it a victory but its enough to stop Blu Ray dieing anytime soon too IMHO.

The format war will end for me the day a dual player becomes available and consumers can forget about worrying which format their movie comes on.

You conclusion is wrong. The amount of stand-alone BD players and PC drives is MISERABLE..that's what they are not telling you in their press releases. The official number of sold BD players including the PS3 and PC are around 700k meaning that Blu-Ray stand-alone player sales are at around 75k units. That's all together for Blu-Ray with exception of PS3. On the other hand, HD-DVD has sold 100.000 HD-DVD units as stand-alone. If you consider the Xbox 360s HD-DVD player which people buy exclusively to watch, you guessed it, HD-DVD movies (I believe they sold over 100.000 units too and not to mention that number of included players in the laptops from Acer, HP, Asus and a few others) we are seeing again that people who buy HD-DVD buy it as their movie viewing choice and not being forced to buy it as a part of something else. THat's the big difference. We are talking about at around 250k HD-DVD players that are bought by people to WATCH HD-DVD movies exclusively. You see the point?

I personally have both and I'm not at all impressed with the offering on Blu-Ray..sure, there are a few movies here and there that I don't have on HD-DVD and that's why I bought a PS3 (my primary reason was to play PS3 exlusives) but I embraced the fact that I get a blu-ray too. So now, as I mentioned in my post above, I have 8 movies on Blu-Ray that I couldn't buy on HD-DVD and have 32 movies on HD-DVD that I liked.

I think that in the coming months we will see Blu-Ray sales drop quite significantly as the HD-DVD titles scheduled for April/May/June release are coming out.

I can't say that HD-DVD will win, but I can say that I do support it as a consumer friendly format. If we are stuck with Blu-ray we would see hyped priced of media, propriatery crap that comes on it that Sony is collecting royalties on etc etc. This is what history has taught us with Sony in general. It is what they do and what their corporate policy is.

I don't understand people who support Blu-Ray with such passion, I really don't. You are looking at minor technological advantages in size over HD-DVD but you are completely neglecting what will happen to you as a consumer if HD-DVD loses. You will be stuck with Sony PSP UMD or MemoryStick type of approach, with media sky-rocketing and pretty much closed business model where for everything you have to pony up money to Sony in one way or the other. I guess if you are not making money yourself and your parents are paying for stuff you can support something that's bad consumer business.