HP aims to take on MacBook Air with "Envy"

Hewlett Packard showed off several new products today, including its new "Envy" sub-brand which will be competing with Apple's MacBook Air and Dell's Adamo.

Starting at $1699 - nearly $200 more than both the MacBook Air and Adamo - the Envy 13 features a 1.86GHz Intel Core 2 Duo SL9400 processor, 3GB of RAM, 512MB ATi Mobility Radeon HD 4330 graphics processor and a 250GB hard drive. The Envy 13, which comes with an external 8X DVD-RW as standard, measures 12.6" x 8.5" x 0.8" and weighs around 3.74 pounds. Its extended-life battery is expected to last up to 18 hours, thanks to onboard technology that throttles the GPU and "downgrades" to the integrated Intel GPU for simpler tasks.

Hewlett Packard has not released much information about the Envy 13's bigger brother, the Envy 15, but according to the company's press release it will include a "future Core i7 processor", support for up to 16GB of RAM, a 1GB ATi Mobility Radeon HD 4830 and support for up to 2 solid state hard drives. With a starting price of $1799, the Envy 15's features sound impressive, although the battery life is much lower compared to the Envy 13 at only 7 hours.

The company also showed off the ProBook 5310m, which it claims to be the "World's thinnest full-performance notebook". With a starting price of $699, the 5310m measures 0.9" at its thickest point, weighs around 3.7 pounds.

Both the Envy 13 and Envy 15 are expected to be available in the United States on October 18th. The ProBook 5310m is already available in Asia with Windows Vista, but it will be available Worldwide with Windows 7 on October 22nd.




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Poorly, eh? You're right. HP forgot to cram their vents at the back, pointed toward the opened display for maximum obstruction.

Oh God, I bet they might've even made it possible to change out your memory and harddrive without having to remove a dozen microscopic screws.

The vents are so unlike the Air, this laptop doesn't have fans that spin up like a jumbo jet is about to take off. You know, functionality over form in the real world.

And you really want to talk again abotu functionality on the Air? How many USB ports does the Air have?

Joshie, I agree. Good points.

external dvd-rom ... you would think they would spend more time on design and then brag about looks and performance ... envy is fail ... work it out by changing a 1 letter at a time

Finally a laptop without dvd. I have used my dvd-reader ONCE this year and that was when i installed windows. But i'm forced to carry it with my all the time anyway because it can't be removed. I would love to fill that area with batteries, or just make the computer smaller.
For those few occations when i actually need to use a disc i wouldn't mind connecting an external device. Digital distribution ftw.

zeta_immersion said,
external dvd-rom ... you would think they would spend more time on design and then brag about looks and performance ... envy is fail ... work it out by changing a 1 letter at a time

Per blehbleh, that's exactly what they did. If people rarely use a DVD drive (something they would find out using market research - not 'what some guy on a forum says'), they don't want to be lumbered with it all the time. But it's still available for those occasions you do need it.

And by the way, that joke was awful. Well, it's not even a joke. Unless - haHA - you change all the letters of "fail", one at a time. >_>

That was kinda the point of the Macbook Air two years ago, but it did sacrifice a lot in the way of ports to keep its slim design. I think a design more like this is a good happy medium. Who knows, Apple might drop the Air at some point and just sell a thinner lighter 13" Pro without the DVD drive for a *reduced* price instead of an inflated one.

Wow, i thought the optical bay had non standard dimensions with some proprietary connector. Not that i'm need of an extra hdd right now but good to know

blehbleh said,
Wow, i thought the optical bay had non standard dimensions with some proprietary connector. Not that i'm need of an extra hdd right now but good to know :)


Optical drives in notebooks have used a standard size drive with a standard connector for a decade or more now! The faceplates might not always line up (because that is actually added on to the drive to match the case of the notebook), but drives themselves are interchangable.

It's only like 0.8 pounds lighter than the Macbook Pro 13" and seems to be about the same size otherwise, yet the Macbook has more features crammed in like FireWire 800 and the Mini-Displayport that supports displays up to 2560x1600 resolution, which I doubt the Envy's HDMI will.

You know, firewire is interesting and all, but barely used outside of the Mac bizarroshere except in a few niche markets. My own single firewire experience stopped at connecting my digital cable box to my computer for DVR purposes, and I wouldn't do that with a laptop...

Nor would I give the tiniest crap about mini display port. Very few laptops, if any macbooks, have a gpu worth assaulting with that resolution, and even fewer displays support it. I don't know how high hdmi goes, but even 1080p is all any large screen business presentation would bother with. You can't argue future-proofing, since you can't upgrade the gpu in a laptop, and the Mac philosophy would demand buying a new laptop in 3 years anyway. So why demand a feature today that's useless until then?

Your two little showstoppers here remind me of those people in the 90s who were convinced iomega was the future and wouldn't tolerate a computer without a zip drive.

Actually for me FireWire and the 2560x1600 resolution support were the main things that made me buy my Macbook Pro 13". The previous iteration (unibody Macbook) didn't have FW and its internal display was totally ****, so now that those two things are fixed I was happy to buy one.

2560x1600 works perfectly well with the 9400M graphics card in it. Of course not for games but then again OSX is not a good OS for games anyway. For desktop use no problems. I use FireWire to connect my audio interface for high quality recording and playback. Granted, I am a minority here but I was merely pointing out a few features that the Envy is lacking.

The Envy isn't quite like the MB Air because it's not thin, it's quite not the Macbook because it's missing features. So is it the perfect machine for those who want a little bit of both but not totally either?

LaXu said,
it's quite not the Macbook because it's missing features. So is it the perfect machine for those who want a little bit of both but not totally either?

It may be similar to a Mac, but it doesn't mean it's going for the same market - for one, it's not a Mac. In which case the lack of firewire and a mini-dp, are, as Joshie says, not all that relevant.

Joshie said,
You know, firewire is interesting and all, but barely used outside of the Mac bizarroshere except in a few niche markets.

Meh. I highly recommend FireWire 800 rather than USB interfaces on external drives for much better transfer speeds than on USB 2.0, and that's not exactly a niche market if you're e.g. taking backups seriously and don't fall into the newbie RAID-is-good-for-backups trap. The good ones usually have both interfaces anyway.

I have no need to Firewire; eSATA would be something I'd love to see in laptops. Mini-Displayport? Why? So I can buy an adapter for 50 bucks so I can actually use a monitor? I'll take HDMI or DVI over MDP any day.

Jugalator said,
Meh. I highly recommend FireWire 800 rather than USB interfaces on external drives for much better transfer speeds than on USB 2.0, and that's not exactly a niche market if you're e.g. taking backups seriously and don't fall into the newbie RAID-is-good-for-backups trap. The good ones usually have both interfaces anyway.


I tend to think that in the race between hard backups and internet backups, as far as the mainstream market goes, we're more likely to see web folders on desktops than firewire drives on desks. Firewire has a long way to go to really dig out market share, and I don't know if I see it happening faster than internet speeds are advancing.

And as far as the business world goes, I definitely don't see personal backup drives winning anyone over.

All of you commenting on how you see no need for firewire in a notebook are forgetting firewire's killer app: importing video from digital camcorders.

LaXu said,
Actually for me FireWire and the 2560x1600 resolution support were the main things that made me buy my Macbook Pro 13". The previous iteration (unibody Macbook) didn't have FW and its internal display was totally ****, so now that those two things are fixed I was happy to buy one.

The 13in Pro and Unibody have the SAME LCD Since like July, the only change is the integrated battery, option for more memory, and faster CPU, and a firewire port.

Personal I find Firewire only useful when booting a mac a a drive for another mac. Which I only do one one of those Mac's is F'd up.

roadwarrior said,
All of you commenting on how you see no need for firewire in a notebook are forgetting firewire's killer app: importing video from digital camcorders.


Overrated for the purpose. The speed difference between Firewire and USB2 isn't significant enough to make the port a show-stopper. It's also certainly ridiculous to take away space for an extra USB2 port, with all of its versatility, for the sake of a firewire port that ends up being superior for only one type of hardware.

The amusing thing I found was that speed tests for large files always use EXTREMELY large files to make Firewire look superior. Half a dozen sites I found after googling comparisons used files as large as 10gb (sometimes larger) to boast results of transfering 30-45 seconds faster than USB2. Big freaking deal. Cable internet would never have beaten dialup if all they could've said was "What once took four minutes to download will now just take three and a half!"

Ken Mickeletto said,
Call it ugly, POS. Call it whatever you want, but would you feel the same way if it had an Apple etched on it?

YES! It's ugly.

Ken Mickeletto said,
Call it ugly, POS. Call it whatever you want, but would you feel the same way if it had an Apple etched on it?

Apple would never put its name on something so fugly

this is an unbelievable spec and price, (for both)

i await some proper reviews, there has to be something wrong here..

Starting at $1699 - nearly $200 more than both the MacBook Air and Adamo.............

typo
With a starting price of $699.........................

cekicen is confusing the Envy with this other notebook mentioned in the article:

The company is calling its new business PC, the ProBok 5310m, the "world's thinnest full-performance notebook" at 0.9-inches thick and an affordable entry point of $699.

Jugalator said,
I suggest renaming this laptop to another deadly sin than Envy.

How about Greed. ;)


LOL Comment of the day right there

Jugalator said,
I suggest renaming this laptop to another deadly sin than Envy.

How about Greed. ;)

Oh jeez... LMAO That was hilarious!

Yes, this is actually HP showing Apple how to price laptops as if they were gold plated. ;)

Not that that will stop any reactionary Neowin trolls.

Jugalator said,
Yes, this is actually HP showing Apple how to price laptops as if they were gold plated. ;)

Not that that will stop any reactionary Neowin trolls.

Yeah, maybe it's me, but HP has never been a brand I would even consider paying primo for... If I need something cheap that does the job for a year or two? Sure. But the brand does not warrant such a price tag, or elicit much faith from me...

Jugalator said,
Yes, this is actually HP showing Apple how to price laptops as if they were gold plated. ;)

Not that that will stop any reactionary Neowin trolls.


Y'know, it helps to check the spec as well before complaining about price.

bob_c_b said,
lol pwnd

I was taking the **** out of Both apple and Hp actually apple marketing that is now a religion also the price and Hp on the price of this thing.
Not every thing is based on fanboy mentality
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blehbleh said,
Rather huge vents than small vents with huge noisy fans inside.

Yes, this is one case where I'd say "f-ck aesthetics", and then I'm owning a Mac.

Yea, talk about bad photography. The angles make it look bigger than it really is. Not what you want to do in this day of age. And 18 hours, yea right. Maybe if you don't use it for anything.

Binary said,
Ick. what's with that hard bevel?

And all those HUGE vents?

:/

Yeah, vents I won't argue against as I wouldn't want my computer to overheat, but as far as the other aesthetics, I have never really liked HP's laptops... They aren't sexy IMO...

randomevent said,
18 hours is probably accurate, if they're using their new Boston Power batteries.

I can buy one for my laptop too, just haven't seen the point.

I would upgrade in a heartbeat for 18 hours of battery life... I wish Dell had that... *sigh*

M_Lyons10 said,
I would upgrade in a heartbeat for 18 hours of battery life... I wish Dell had that... *sigh*

Dell Latitude claims the same 18 hour battery life as well. i am sure that means swapping the optical drive with the extra modular battery but its possible.

vvtunes said,
Nuclear?


-Are you telling me this sucker is nuclear?
-No no no no, this sucker's electrical.

/1.21 gigawatts

That's pretty cool. Has two graphics cards and can dynamically switch between the low power one and high power one depending upon demand. That's slick.