HP chairman is a Mac

One of the first rules that a business person should learn is to use the products that you're trying to sell. HP Chairman Ray Lane apparently didn't get the memo, as evident in photos published by Reuters.

Lane was one of the board members who helped to get rid of former CEO Apotheker, who couldn't seem to figure out what he wanted to do with the company. Before that, Lane had actually been a very public defender of Apotheker's plan to spin off HP's PC division, and now we see why:

Since Meg Whitman took the reigns at HP, Lane has actually reversed his decision, but he still doesn't seem to think that the products they have to offer are very good, since he uses a shiny new Macbook Air. This would never fly if Steve Ballmer was in charge.

But really, if you're going to try to get people to buy your products, why don't you at least use them yourself? He's basically telling customers, “Hey, don't buy our products, Apple is better!” He's setting a really bad image. What if Tim Cook got caught using a Windows Phone, or if Bill Gates was spotted with a Mac?

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I don't get what the big deal is. He's using the products of a competitor so he can find out where HP can improve. It actually makes a lot of sense to me.

Nexx295 said,
I don't get what the big deal is. He's using the products of a competitor so he can find out where HP can improve. It actually makes a lot of sense to me.

yea right

Not surprising, CEOs rarely do work that requires anything more robust. They only need to display the end result that others generate for them. They are too far removed to be involved with the nitty gritty so sure, I see those types with their Macs and iPads all the time.

so the guy is on the board and uses a mac, so what? Jobs was on the board of disney and a LOT of disney is ran by windows and linux systems, they didn't switch all their stuff because he was on it... just because you are on the board doesn't mean you have to do what they want...

neufuse said,
so the guy is on the board and uses a mac, so what? Jobs was on the board of disney and a LOT of disney is ran by windows and linux systems, they didn't switch all their stuff because he was on it... just because you are on the board doesn't mean you have to do what they want...

It's not really the same situation. It would be like if Jobs, or now Cook, used a Windows machine while at Apple, or if Bill Gates brought a Linux laptop to a board meeting at Microsoft. It sends the wrong signals when someone who is speaking about a company and how he is trying to turn it around doesn't think the products they offer are good enough for him to use them himself.

i'm a 80% windows and 20% mac and ipad user. the statement apple's better than hp is true. hp servers are good, personal pc stuff are just sub par at best.

leo221 said,
i'm a 80% windows and 20% mac and ipad user. the statement apple's better than hp is true. hp servers are good, personal pc stuff are just sub par at best.

Heck Apple doesn't even make the xserve anymore...

His reaction looks like he's thinking to himself, "I can't believe people actually pay this much for this overpriced POS."

Edited by bj55555, Nov 22 2011, 7:58pm :

bj55555 said,
His reaction looks like he's thinking to himself, "I can't people actually pay this much for this overpriced POS."

It's worth noting that he did so himself

He's 100% right. Mac's are great. They are designed to work with the hardware they sell. Unfortunately Microsoft has this problem with their desktop line that has not hurt them. Kinda like Google with Android.

For the record I use Windows exclusively. That's not to say that Mac doesn't have a better user experience.

WhatWarning said,
He's 100% right. Mac's are great. They are designed to work with the hardware they sell. Unfortunately Microsoft has this problem with their desktop line that has not hurt them. Kinda like Google with Android.

For the record I use Windows exclusively. That's not to say that Mac doesn't have a better user experience.


Mac's User Interface is not that intuitive as many like to think it is. Many of my Apple friends have anxieties or are just plain bitchy. I keep telling them that the "Steve Jobs Crybaby Trait" is plaguing their community". They hate when I say that but from my experience, it is true.

jesseinsf said,

Mac's User Interface is not that intuitive as many like to think it is. Many of my Apple friends have anxieties or are just plain bitchy. I keep telling them that the "Steve Jobs Crybaby Trait" is plaguing their community". They hate when I say that but from my experience, it is true.

I beg to differ. I'm a hardcore PC user. But I can find my way around a Mac pretty easy. I'm actually thinking about buying one next year. Possibly a Macbook Air.

WhatWarning said,

I beg to differ. I'm a hardcore PC user. But I can find my way around a Mac pretty easy. I'm actually thinking about buying one next year. Possibly a Macbook Air.

And i still have problems using hackintosh, effects are nice but it reduce my productivity.

Wow, so a shareholder that basically gets a lot of money for people that buy his products, isn't using one of the products a company he's invested in makes, and that makes him dumb?

I'd say this is possibly the most retarded news article I've ever seen, loads of MS shareholders and employees use iphones, and quite a lot of MS development teams have macs too, because there's like office for mac.

This isn't news, it's pathetic.

n_K said,
Wow, so a shareholder that basically gets a lot of money for people that buy his products, isn't using one of the products a company he's invested in makes, and that makes him dumb?

I'd say this is possibly the most retarded news article I've ever seen, loads of MS shareholders and employees use iphones, and quite a lot of MS development teams have macs too, because there's like office for mac.

This isn't news, it's pathetic.

This is their chairman.. its the same position that Bill Gates has at microsoft

Epic0range said,
The point is that he doesn't show faith in the products he helps produce.

Because he is using a Mac? I have MBP, iMac, and a Toshiba laptop, Dell and a HP desktop, and a custom build. Unless you know for a fact that the only computer he owns is that one Mac, this says nothing about his faith in any product.

That being said, there is a reason HP's and Dells are sold at WalMart .

ILikeTobacco said,


That being said, there is a reason HP's and Dells are sold at WalMart .

So are iphones, ipods and ipads... your point?

what an idiot.. its a company like this that think no one looks at the people that work there.. I was thinking of getting an HP ultrabook but this totally turns me off of them

thats why I love bill gates.. WP7 came out and he had one weeks before the release.. not only to support his company but because he has confidence is his own engineers..

This guy needs to learn something from the chairman of microsoft..

Rudy said,
It's a great looking machine but for me the display kills the deal

What is better in MBA's display than Zenbook's display?

Rudy said,
It's a great looking machine but for me the display kills the deal

The display is what makes the ZenBook so great.

IMO it's the keyboard, it's not responsive enough. If you don't hit keys dead center they don't register a key press.

Epic0range said,

The display is what makes the ZenBook so great.

IMO it's the keyboard, it's not responsive enough. If you don't hit keys dead center they don't register a key press.

Yup, the keyboard and trackpad are terrible and some people have issues with the wireless. Without perfect functionality of all 3 of those things, the Zenbook is pretty much a piece of junk. Not saying the Air is better, but it's rather pathetic that the most basic things don't work right.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Yup, the keyboard and trackpad are terrible and some people have issues with the wireless. Without perfect functionality of all 3 of those things, the Zenbook is pretty much a piece of junk. Not saying the Air is better, but it's rather pathetic that the most basic things don't work right.

The trackpad on the Zenbook is a huge problem. It's the main way you interact with a computer, and Asus did a crappy job on it.

Just read http://www.theverge.com/2011/1...review/in/2326104#section_4 to see what I'm talking about.

Edited by Simon, Nov 22 2011, 9:57pm :

Simon said,
The trackpad on the Zenbook is a huge problem. It's the main way you interact with a computer, and Asus did a crappy job on it.

Just read http://www.theverge.com/2011/1...review/in/2326104#section_4 to see what I'm talking about.

With the latest BIOS and driver the Touchpad works fine. Actually Asus uses two different versions, one works very good, the other one after the updates at least good. Keyboard depends on your typing style, I have 0 problems with my Zenbook. And Wireless works reliably if you change the WLAN power-settings. Yeah, should work out of the box but apart from that the Asus Ultrabook is a really great device.

Hell, I use my company's product and service offerings even though they aren't the best priced out there.

I'd rather support my co-workers than the competition.

I wonder about the diversification of Ray's holdings. He must not need HP to succeed, in which case, vote him off the board!!!!

A few things:
- He's not setting a bad image. He's on the board of directors, which is completely different than being the CEO. They help steer the company to be competitive in the industry. They often work for other companies. Netflix's CEO, for instance, is on Facebook's board.
- If Ballmer was HP's CEO, he wouldn't say a damn thing to his chairman (which, at Microsoft, is Bill Gates; don't think he'd say anything to that chairman) -- that's who makes sure he has a job.

Ayepecks said,
A few things:
- He's not setting a bad image. He's on the board of directors, which is completely different than being the CEO. They help steer the company to be competitive in the industry. They often work for other companies. Netflix's CEO, for instance, is on Facebook's board.
- If Ballmer was HP's CEO, he wouldn't say a damn thing to his chairman (which, at Microsoft, is Bill Gates; don't think he'd say anything to that chairman) -- that's who makes sure he has a job.

Agreed, I don't see what the big deal is...

Ayepecks said,
A few things:
- He's not setting a bad image. He's on the board of directors, which is completely different than being the CEO. They help steer the company to be competitive in the industry. They often work for other companies. Netflix's CEO, for instance, is on Facebook's board.
- If Ballmer was HP's CEO, he wouldn't say a damn thing to his chairman (which, at Microsoft, is Bill Gates; don't think he'd say anything to that chairman) -- that's who makes sure he has a job.


EXACTLY!

he is not a CEO or an employee... he is chairman of the board of directors !!!

I say it yesterday and it made me smile.

But really you can't blame him because as of right now there's not really a pc equivalent to the MBA (in terms of price, display resolution, build quality and SSD)

Rudy said,
I say it yesterday and it made me smile.

But really you can't blame him because as of right now there's not really a pc equivalent to the MBA (in terms of price, display resolution, build quality and SSD)

You fail so hard its not funny:

http://zenbook.asus.com/

Rudy said,
.... But really you can't blame him because as of right now there's not really a pc equivalent to the MBA (in terms of price, display resolution, build quality and SSD)

2012 is the year of the ultrabook!

Rudy said,
Actually you failed WAY harder

1366 x 768 resolution

I did list resolution in there for a reason, learn to read

you faill soooooo bad .. the 13 inch has 1600 x 900 resolution which is actually better then the 13 inch macbook air 1440 by 900 (native resolution.)

both 11.6 inch models have 1366 x 768..

your such a noob and dont diss people without looking at the spec sheet yourself

Rudy said,
Actually you failed WAY harder

1366 x 768 resolution

I did list resolution in there for a reason, learn to read

The 11" MBA is 1366x768 too... and the 13" ASUS one beats the the 13" MBA in terms of resolution...

Rudy said,
Actually you failed WAY harder

1366 x 768 resolution

I did list resolution in there for a reason, learn to read

1600 x 900 resolution. Learn to read.

bj55555 said,

1600 x 900 resolution. Learn to read.

I was reading reviews online, the first one I found said 1366 x 768 for the 13", might have been a typo I'm not sure. I looked at some place to buy it online and yes the resolution is 1600 x 900.... not bad.... I might actually consider one.... I'll check Insanely to see if you can install OSX on it without too many hacks

Rudy said,
I was reading reviews online, the first one I found said 1366 x 768 for the 13", might have been a typo I'm not sure. I looked at some place to buy it online and yes the resolution is 1600 x 900.... not bad.... I might actually consider one.... I'll check Insanely to see if you can install OSX on it without too many hacks

You troll so bad you should might as well quit now.
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Rudy said,
I was reading reviews online, the first one I found said 1366 x 768 for the 13", might have been a typo I'm not sure. I looked at some place to buy it online and yes the resolution is 1600 x 900.... not bad.... I might actually consider one.... I'll check Insanely to see if you can install OSX on it without too many hacks

Or you could stop being cheap and just get a macbook

SharpGreen said,

Or you could stop being cheap and just get a macbook

I already have a 13" MBA, but I'm a sucker for larger screens

But looks like I won't be getting it, people are saying the trackpad sucks, to be honest the trackpad is something pretty important

Pink Floyd said,
that is indeed a real nice copy! If you can't beat them, copy them

So apple are the inventors and the only company who can manufacture aluminum ultrabooks?

sam232 said,

You fail so hard its not funny:

http://zenbook.asus.com/

Regardless what he said, this is not a viable compromise. It's still another company's product. It looks worse since Apple's don't natively come with Windows but it would look equally bad if he was using a laptop of another brand.

Mouettus said,

So apple are the inventors and the only company who can manufacture aluminum ultrabooks?

I don't think he said no one else can manufacture them. I think he said they copied the MacBook Air. Which is what they did. It looks so I dentical I thought I'd clicked through to an Apple page and it was a joke at first. Then I saw the Asus logos on the page.

dotf said,

2012 is the year of the ultrabook!

and the Linux desktop, right?

Looking at the Asus Zenbook it does look like a serious competitor to the MBA. They should be compared by price, looks, OS, and profficiency at chopping veg!

Rudy said,
Actually you failed WAY harder

1366 x 768 resolution

I did list resolution in there for a reason, learn to read


typical mac user, doesn't know how to read specs

aboi said,

You failed again because that thing can't run OS X. Choice is good.

OSX? no thanks..it is not failed for people who don't want OSX at all.. even Mac users are boot-camping for Win7

Vice said,

Hey, Asus made a MacBook Air without the Apple logo!

Vice said,

I don't think he said no one else can manufacture them. I think he said they copied the MacBook Air. Which is what they did. It looks so I dentical I thought I'd clicked through to an Apple page and it was a joke at first. Then I saw the Asus logos on the page.

Pink Floyd said,
that is indeed a real nice copy! If you can't beat them, copy them

Whoa HAHA The Apple Fanboys must really feel threatened by the much superior product !!

aboi said,

You failed again because that thing can't run OS X. Choice is good.

Thank goodness it doesn't run RetardOS.

sam232 said,

Whoa HAHA The Apple Fanboys must really feel threatened by the much superior product !!

Thank goodness it doesn't run RetardOS.

Seriously? How old are you like 13 years old? Act more mature if you wan't to be taken seriously.

Vice said,

Seriously? How old are you like 13 years old? Act more mature if you wan't to be taken seriously.

LOL coming from a crazed brainwashed apple fanboy like you I can safely ignore that

sam232 said,

LOL coming from a crazed brainwashed apple fanboy like you I can safely ignore that


sad that this is what Neowin has become.

I don't even like the MacBook Air. You don't know anything about me I think the Asus is way better than the Air. But you're just a kid so I can't blame you for being completely uninformed.

Vice said,

I don't even like the MacBook Air. You don't know anything about me I think the Asus is way better than the Air. But you're just a kid so I can't blame you for being completely uninformed.

AAHH you reckon Asus copied Apple in the design of the Zenbook and you are questioning my maturity? Wow you must be REALLY brainwashed .. and I love how after I uncover you as just crazed brainwashed apple fanboy you pretend you are all impartial and say you like Asus and not like the Air.

sad that this is what Neowin has become.

Yes I am sad too, If there was less apple fanaticism (like what you spread) on Neowin it would be a LOT better place.

My advice to you is, unbrainwash yourself and become a real technology fan like the rest of us.

Edited by sam232, Nov 23 2011, 12:14pm :

sam232 said,

AAHH you reckon Asus copied Apple in the design of the Zenbook and you are questioning my maturity? Wow you must be REALLY brainwashed .. and I love how after I uncover you as just crazed brainwashed apple fanboy you pretend you are all impartial and say you like Asus and not like the Air.

Yes I am sad too, If there was less apple fanaticism (like what you spread) on Neowin it would be a LOT better place.

My advice to you is, unbrainwash yourself and become a real technology fan like the rest of us.

A real technology fan like the rest of you lol? I have a desktop system with an Asus P6T6 motherboard with 12GB of OCZ ram and three 30" 2560x1600 monitors. My desktop is entirely water cooled and self built by myself. Everything overclocked with SLI'd graphics cards. My server 70TB, 24GB RAM, Core i7 920 also self built.

I've been building my own PC's using Asus products almost exclusively for the past decade.

And yes Asus did copy Apples MacBook Air design. But that's okay Apple doesn't own that design. While the Asus looks identical on the outside it has much better internal specifications and I would buy the Asus all day long if I wanted a notebook like that.

And yes it is YOU that is bringing Neowin down with your judgemental uninformed rubbish. Just reading what you said about me being not a real technology fan is such a joke. You have no idea who I am or what products I buy or build.

Vice said,

A real technology fan like the rest of you lol? I have a desktop system with an Asus P6T6 motherboard with 12GB of OCZ ram and three 30" 2560x1600 monitors. My desktop is entirely water cooled and self built by myself. Everything overclocked with SLI'd graphics cards. My server 70TB, 24GB RAM, Core i7 920 also self built.

I've been building my own PC's using Asus products almost exclusively for the past decade.

And yes Asus did copy Apples MacBook Air design. But that's okay Apple doesn't own that design. While the Asus looks identical on the outside it has much better internal specifications and I would buy the Asus all day long if I wanted a notebook like that.

Umm you better stop now, you are seriously embarrassing yourself.


And yes it is YOU that is bringing Neowin down with your judgemental uninformed rubbish. Just reading what you said about me being not a real technology fan is such a joke. You have no idea who I am or what products I buy or build.

LOL Hypocrite much??? and OBVIOUSLY I can only go by what you have said in this discussion and you reek of Apple fanaticism, or you probably reckon its "cool" to go around trolling and saying everyone copies Apple .. and .. lol .. you are questioning MY maturity???

Time to get a life my friend, time to get a life.....

sam232 said,

Umm you better stop now, you are seriously embarrassing yourself.

LOL Hypocrite much??? and OBVIOUSLY I can only go by what you have said in this discussion and you reek of Apple fanaticism, or you probably reckon its "cool" to go around trolling and saying everyone copies Apple .. and .. lol .. you are questioning MY maturity???

Time to get a life my friend, time to get a life.....

Yeah I'm the one embarrassing myself right? Not you the guy who goes around saying anyone who has an opinion different to yours is a fanboy. If anyone is a troll it is YOU, calling other people Fanboys is what a troll does. Child go play outside.

Vice said,

Yeah I'm the one embarrassing myself right? Not you the guy who goes around saying anyone who has an opinion different to yours is a fanboy. If anyone is a troll it is YOU, calling other people Fanboys is what a troll does. Child go play outside.

What makes you think that "omgz X copies apple" is an opinion? Just because the general apple obsessed media does it does not make it an opinion and its not right to go spreading it around like you have done. Remember you started off this whole thing as a trolling comment and AGAIN LOL you are calling ME a troll? Is that your usual tactic to twist everything thats said to you and make up some weak reason to throw back at whats said to you.

I leave it here and say this, grow up and learn to be a real technology fan and don't go around spreading trolling comments.

Sidenote: and yes I realize I'm just feeding a troll here but its more for the benefit of others to highlight an apple troll and to not put up with apple trolls corrupting a great tech site such as Neowin.