HP to Apple: We already make PCs in the US, thank you very much

Apple's CEO Tim Cook made a lot of headlines this week when he announced the company would start making some of its Mac PCs in the U.S. sometime in 2013.  Some have been critical of Apple making its devices outside the US, particularly in China where the labor is cheap and many fear the workers in factories such as Foxconn are overworked for low pay.

This week, HP quietly posted word on its website that it already assembles many of its PCs in the U.S. That includes all of its workstations in a factory in Indiana, as well as 36 percent of its business desktop PCs. HP servers are made in Houston, Texas. HP says, "In 2012, we expect to assemble 2.9 million PC units in the United States.”

News.com reports that even some of HP's business EliteBook laptops are assembled in North America, although there's no specific city or state named by HP. And what about consumer PCs? Tony Prophet, senior vice president of operations at HP, states, "We're marginally moving even some consumer PC [assembly] back to North America. Doing less of that in China."

While many of the components inside HP PCs may still be made overseas, the fact that the PC maker still assembles quite a few of them in the U.S., and plans to do more, is a big bullet point in their favor.

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"HP to Apple: We already make PCs in the US (and losing gawd-awfully lots of money from it), thank you very much"

there. at least title is better. can't say much for this piece-of-sheet neowin article though.

Albert said,
"HP to Apple: We already make PCs in the US (and losing gawd-awfully lots of money from it), thank you very much"

there. at least title is better. can't say much for this piece-of-sheet neowin article though.


It is Callaham, and Im not at all shocked the title is misleading. Whenever I see Callaham wrote the article Im about to read I just prepare to chuckle, laugh at his bad grammar (if he actually writes one himself), and enjoy the overall low quality of each and every article. Consistent Callaham

Not that hard to do nowadays with the value of the dollar going down, it's actually becoming more expensive to outsource especially with high gas prices.

Looking for "brownie points" HP? With your totally unacceptable customer service and worthless website for getting updated drivers, who cares about you? [My company has given up on you, switched to Canon, and have been much better since.]

TurboShrimp said,
How about you make pc's as nice as apples products and not cheap plastic garbage. Just my opinion.

Does it really bother you that your computer is made of plastic?

Awesome. But this just shows how Apple is so complacent claiming it's exceptional in everything, while other companies are ahead already but keep their mouth shut. Yet people don't care about that. They keep praising Apple just because it's pretty much the only talkactive company. It's just sad.

I just hope Apple don't bump up the prices of their Macs for the privilege of it being made in a different foreign country.

McKay said,
I just hope Apple don't bump up the prices of their Macs for the privilege of it being made in a different foreign country.

I couldn't care less if they are assembled in China or the US. For us in the Asia Pacific/Oceania region you could argue assembly in China should be preferred (higher quality, development in the economic region, lower shipping costs, CO2 etc...). For me they are all foreign countries.

CronicHazel said,
I hope that HPs don't become the benchmark for American quality... nooooooooooo

old HP's that is. the consumer ones are in China. the new HP's are really nice

CronicHazel said,
I hope that HPs don't become the benchmark for American quality... nooooooooooo

I think for the most part HP makes decent stuff. All things considered you get quite a bit with your $500 pc.

What's so cool about moving production to a country with way higher costs? Quality's not going to magically rise. Production costs will. Therefore, prices will.
Just to put Made in USA on the back? I presume that for Americans it might mean a lot, and, if so, I think I know why and I kind of respect it. But to the rest of the world it means f* all.

Phouchg said,
What's so cool about moving production to a country with way higher costs? Quality's not going to magically rise. Production costs will. Therefore, prices will.
Just to put Made in USA on the back? I presume that for Americans it might mean a lot, and, if so, I think I know why and I kind of respect it. But to the rest of the world it means f* all.

The key reason can simply be the language barrier..
I'm watching Brickleberry right now the episode "Hello Dottie" about forest rangers being outsourced to an Indian call center. And I think it really sums it up nicely when Steve exchanges names with "Dottie" and what he hears and what he calls her in the show (rather than her real name) is.. "Rock Ship Pony" LOL

So yeah it kind of deafeats the purpose entirely if your intention is tech support and they end up hanging up mad and frustrated because of a language issue.. I have had that happen most times calling my own Canadian Govt. about Tax's issues, its been so bad that i have on many occasions just given up after getting them to repeat themselves over and over..

Phouchg said,
What's so cool about moving production to a country with way higher costs? Quality's not going to magically rise. Production costs will. Therefore, prices will.

I just bought an HP desktop. Assembled in Chihuahua, Mexico. Took five days to make its way to Texas, and only two days to get all the way to the East Coast. NAFTA or no NAFTA, trade slows down considerably when you cross borders. If they'd made the machine in Texas, then I would've gotten it in two days.

Of course, you can only do this for products that carry a price premium. For anyone other than Apple, this essentially means business products. That's why HP builds "workstations ... [and] business desktop PCs" -- not consumer PCs. That's why Lenovo builds ThinkPads in the US -- not Ideapads.

Also there's a nasty little regulation called the Buy America Act (it covers purchases off of GSA Schedules - the prices the government pays for commercial items; everything from bullets to busses); that requires certain items be manufactured within the United States, Canada, or Mexico. (It's not a new regulation - it dates back to Jimmy Carter.) Considering that when governments buy PCs, they typically by *business* desktops portables, and servers - those are also therefore typically assembled-where-sold. (Most EU countries have a similar regulation - it's not even unique to the US.) It's also why certain global players in the PC market have practically zero penetration in the government space. (Part of the price Toshiba paid for violating US law by selling seven-axis milling machines to Russia was a five-year ban on selling to any government in the US - national, state, or local; Toshiba itself puts the cost in lost sales at over $1B USD. At that, even Toshiba admits it got off light - it could have been barred permanently.)

I'd prefer that all these companies move there Tech Support JOBS back to America, this would also serve to lower health care costs, as blood pressures across the country would certainly go down. I HIGHLY commend VIZIO.com for re-hiring Gateway 2000's support staff in South Dakota.

Manufacturing jobs here at this point, is just for show till the U.S. gets serious about it which would be kind of impossible considering how cheaply China can do it. IMO.

jimmyfal said,
I'd prefer that all these companies move there Tech Support JOBS back to America, this would also serve to lower health care costs, as blood pressures across the country would certainly go down. I HIGHLY commend VIZIO.com for re-hiring Gateway 2000's support staff in South Dakota.

Manufacturing jobs here at this point, is just for show till the U.S. gets serious about it which would be kind of impossible considering how cheaply China can do it. IMO.

ya i agree
i worked for a short time with tech support to a major int. co.
and they were outsourcing tech support for Americans to us in Canada.
the company didn't last too long before the contracts were pulled and everyone was layed off though.. they were paying a good rate for employees though..
I understand the temptation to out source work for cheaper costs but
i can't stand dealing with peoples weird foreign accents.. too hard to understand them.

Tech support should be domestic though. simply out of principal I think.
Adds some class and integrity to your business. Someone in Washington state shouldn't be told how to reboot his computer from a Dell employee in India !
I can just imagine the line from all those commercials in an Indian accent..
"Dude your gettin' a Dell" LOL

I am Not PCyr said,

ya i agree
i worked for a short time with tech support to a major int. co.
and they were outsourcing tech support for Americans to us in Canada.
the company didn't last too long before the contracts were pulled and everyone was layed off though.. they were paying a good rate for employees though..
I understand the temptation to out source work for cheaper costs but
i can't stand dealing with peoples weird foreign accents.. too hard to understand them.

Tech support should be domestic though. simply out of principal I think.
Adds some class and integrity to your business. Someone in Washington state shouldn't be told how to reboot his computer from a Dell employee in India !
I can just imagine the line from all those commercials in an Indian accent..
"Dude your gettin' a Dell" LOL

Apple Support is all North American I believe.

jimmyfal said,
I'd prefer that all these companies move there Tech Support JOBS back to America, this would also serve to lower health care costs, as blood pressures across the country would certainly go down. I HIGHLY commend VIZIO.com for re-hiring Gateway 2000's support staff in South Dakota.

Manufacturing jobs here at this point, is just for show till the U.S. gets serious about it which would be kind of impossible considering how cheaply China can do it. IMO.

Dells PRO support is in America. Its usually available under their business section.

majortom1981 said,

Dells PRO support is in America. Its usually available under their business section.

Tells you what Dell thinks of consumers.

I guess some PR ppl at HP et al are sick of Apple announcements stealing some light when there is really nothing groundbreaking/new to it, their blog entry is there just to put things back into perspective, some tech businesses have stopped outsourcing many of their most lucrative activities/sectors and this trend has started quite a while ago.

TBH, Apple's "we invented it/we do it better than you guys" is sickening at times. It's not that I don't like their stuff, my laptop of choice is a 15" MBP and I also own an iPad and an iPhone 4S, yet at times, they should really shut up.

Edit: oh f*** I implicitly said something nice about an article by John... ****

Arkos Reed said,
I guess some PR ppl at HP et al are sick of Apple announcements stealing some light when there is really nothing groundbreaking/new to it, their blog entry is there just to put things back into perspective, some tech businesses have stopped outsourcing many of their most lucrative activities/sectors and this trend has started quite a while ago.

TBH, Apple's "we invented it/we do it better than you guys" is sickening at times. It's not that I don't like their stuff, my laptop of choice is a 15" MBP and I also own an iPad and an iPhone 4S, yet at times, they should really shut up.

Edit: oh f*** I implicitly said something nice about an article by John... ****

Apple haven't claimed to 'invented' making PC's in the US, or that they were first. Tim Cook was simply asked about it because of the leak of 'Made in the USA' iMac's, and he responded saying yes we are making some computers in the USA and they are looking to do more of it next year...

If the internet/media wants to make a big deal of it that's up to them - but Apple haven't claimed to invented anything, and didn't even announce anything it was just a question in an interview!

I find it more annoying the people like you who claim apple are claiming to 'invent' stuff when they haven't..

Apple reinvents PC manufacturing! Lets hope this signals the end of hp sucking on apples nuts like they've been doing since Meg took over.....

efjay said,
Apple reinvents PC manufacturing! Lets hope this signals the end of hp sucking on apples nuts like they've been doing since Meg took over.....

To "reinvent" would mean that Apple would have to be first to insource. This isn't a new trend. In electronics manufacturing insourcing is the new chapter in the "MBA Playbook^TM" where to become more nimble and more likely to catch issues it is advantageous to manufacture near where you design so you can better oversee it. Right now companies have to hire people to live in China to do this and it's hard to find people willing to uproot their families and move there.

efjay said,
Apple reinvents PC manufacturing! Lets hope this signals the end of hp sucking on apples nuts like they've been doing since Meg took over.....

I thought Meg was a woman...

.Neo said,
Yes, but when Apple announces it they're evil for doing so.

The beauty of Lenovo making more systems in the US, is that Lenovo bought IBMs line of Thinkpad/Ideapad computers, and they are based in China.

.Neo said,
Yes, but when Apple announces it they're evil for doing so.

they're not evil for announcing it, but apple might try to patent building things in the US

.Neo said,
Yes, but when Apple announces it they're evil for doing so.

Not that, but 1000x more people know it and think Apple is the only one that does it.

Cøi said,

Not that, but 1000x more people know it and think Apple is the only one that does it.


Then Apple is doing something right PR-wise others aren't.

benalvino said,
what does the title have to do with the article?

HP has been doing it for a while with no recognition, Apple announces it and it's everywhere!

ingramator said,

HP has been doing it for a while with no recognition, Apple announces it and it's everywhere!

well its still unrelated... it sounds like apple confronted hp or apple ask hp to build they macs... as the title says "hp to apple: we already make pc in the us... thank you very much" even hp article does make it sound like they are exchanging words with apple.

benalvino said,

well its still unrelated... it sounds like apple confronted hp or apple ask hp to build they macs... as the title says "hp to apple: we already make pc in the us... thank you very much" even hp article does make it sound like they are exchanging words with apple.


Look up "hyperbole" and you'll understand.

ingramator said,

HP has been doing it for a while with no recognition, Apple announces it and it's everywhere!


Exactly. It's because of future Marketing coming from Apple:

"The first true company on making all of its computer parts from the U.S."

ingramator said,

HP has been doing it for a while with no recognition, Apple announces it and it's everywhere!

Whats newsworthy is that apple is not the first its that apple has changed.

ingramator said,

HP has been doing it for a while with no recognition, Apple announces it and it's everywhere!

Well Apple has been taking a lot of heat for using the exact same Chinese manufacturers as everyone else, so I think it balances out.

Stetson said,

Well Apple has been taking a lot of heat for using the exact same Chinese manufacturers as everyone else, so I think it balances out.


In spite of all the heat, there are still an enormous number of people who believe their Apple products have always been made in the USA. Apple puts their little designed-in-Cupertino stamp on a product, and there are people out there who take that to mean the whole product is USA-built.

The fact that a product and its components are all designed, built, and assembled in widely varying locations is too complex for many consumers to bother thinking about.

ingramator said,
HP has been doing it for a while with no recognition

And we care because?

Oh maybe if your an AMERICAN it means something to you. You know - America the country that STARTED this globalisation trend, outsourcing to India, China, Philippines etc, wherever the next cheapest labour force is - Which is destroying local jobs and pushing UP prices and reducing quality around the world so a few big (usually American) companies can make bigger profits.

REM2000 said,

Whats newsworthy is that apple is not the first its that apple has changed.

yes have changed, that the smallest part of their business is made in USA to gain possitible press, nothing else.

dvb2000 said,

And we care because?


Uh. He was answering a question. I'm not sure who this "we" is you're talking about. I'm pretty sure the only person who needs to "care" is benalvino.

Joshie said
He was answering a question.

my post was about the relevance of HP making PC's in America, nothing personal, HP are one of the biggest users of 3rd world labour/manufacturing etc, and to try and make out that they have suddenly become all patriotic is just ridiculously hypocritical.

HP and their ilk are the reason America had the GFC and why they are in such a poor state now, and their practices have done the same for any first world country that "signed up" to their greed is good philosophy.

The way HP are going they will be bankrupt soon anyway, and serves them right.

ingramator said,

HP has been doing it for a while with no recognition, Apple announces it and it's everywhere!

HP is assembling computers in the US, but still using parts form overseas.. Apple will be 100% US for the product lines they're starting out with.