HTC HD2 will not be upgradeable to Windows Phone 7 Series

News is pouring out of MIX10 today here at Neowin, and amongst all the great news and developments around Windows Phone 7 Series, there is a sad announcement coming from Microsoft.

Engadget has confirmed what HTC HD2 owners had been fearing all along, Microsoft today announced that the HD2 will not be upgraded to WP7S, Joe Belfiore told Engadget this morning that the HD2 isn't "compliant with the Windows Phone 7 Series hardware specifications".

Windows Phone 7 Series has the strictest hardware requirements yet from Microsoft, requiring a minimum 1GHz processor, 256MB of RAM, capacative touch, a 5MP camera (with Flash), GPU capable of DX9 and 3 specific buttons "Search, Windows Key and Back". The HD2 has all of these, minus the search button, which is sure to disappoint a few HD2 fans.

The HTC HD2 is the most powerful Windows Phone that is on offer currently, the only one to boast a beefy 1GHz Snapdragon processor.

To follow further Windows Phone 7 Series developments, check out the "Windows Phone 7 Series" tag here on Neowin.

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I'm sure all the hardcore users are just panicking left and right, but when the ecology of winpho7 begins to grow and thousands of apps become available, no body is ever gonna look back. XDA will be there when it happens and they'll come up with all the mods for all you freeloaders, so chill-lax and drink your kool-aid until then.

I don't know how everyone can be so mad about this. You bought your phone with WM6.5, and nobody ever confirmed that it would be upgraded to WP7s.

And about the ROM-port, I don't think that's going to happen. The GPU in the HD2 supports OpenGL ES something something, but WP7s requires a GPU that supports DirectX. WP7s is not related to WM6.5 in any way, so I really doubt it will be possible to port it over.

Ambroos said,
I don't know how everyone can be so mad about this. You bought your phone with WM6.5, and nobody ever confirmed that it would be upgraded to WP7s.

And about the ROM-port, I don't think that's going to happen. The GPU in the HD2 supports OpenGL ES something something, but WP7s requires a GPU that supports DirectX. WP7s is not related to WM6.5 in any way, so I really doubt it will be possible to port it over.

I am looking forward reading your comments regarding the upcoming of Windows 8 which won't be upgradeable from Vista/7 due to hardware restrictions by Microsoft and won't be compatible with any Vista/7 applications in addition to blocking installation of 3rd party applications unless downloaded from Windows 8 apps store.

Ambroos said,
I don't know how everyone can be so mad about this. You bought your phone with WM6.5, and nobody ever confirmed that it would be upgraded to WP7s.

And about the ROM-port, I don't think that's going to happen. The GPU in the HD2 supports OpenGL ES something something, but WP7s requires a GPU that supports DirectX. WP7s is not related to WM6.5 in any way, so I really doubt it will be possible to port it over.


Yeah, I agree with you, the GPU is nowhere near as good as a Windows 7 Phone should have, and the drivers will be messy

ilev said,

I am looking forward reading your comments regarding the upcoming of Windows 8 which won't be upgradeable from Vista/7 due to hardware restrictions by Microsoft and won't be compatible with any Vista/7 applications in addition to blocking installation of 3rd party applications unless downloaded from Windows 8 apps store.


You know, this comment really didn't add anything to this. You can't compare a different ecosystem (Desktop) to the Mobile market

Edited by Owen W, Mar 16 2010, 9:16pm :

ilev said,

I am looking forward reading your comments regarding the upcoming of Windows 8 which won't be upgradeable from Vista/7 due to hardware restrictions by Microsoft and won't be compatible with any Vista/7 applications in addition to blocking installation of 3rd party applications unless downloaded from Windows 8 apps store.

Um... Fail? lol

Owenw said,

You know, this comment really didn't add anything to this. You can't compare a different ecosystem (Desktop) to the Mobile market

But you can compare Microsoft's commitment and attitude toward their clients

hotdog963al said,
And that's why my colleague has just returned his in exchange for an iPhone 3GS.

To me that just doesn't make sense... why would you buy something in speculation of it being true...

dave164 said,

To me that just doesn't make sense... why would you buy something in speculation of it being true...


Yeah, weird. The 3GS seems like a big downgrade from WP7S too.

I am not worried about the HD2 since it will last for at least 6 months for me. I can resell it for 1/2 the purchase price and use my upgrade to the new phone and recover.

The restictions will be a God Send to all the other users out there. We are a small pool of higher end users and remapping buttons, loading this and loading that is not part of the user experience any company would want to go through. I agree with the APP store concept. Apple nailed it. But Windows also allows for more modifications and I know XDA will help with that. HTC has created some test models for them to run WP7 on and eventually the drivers will leak.

I do like the concept HTC HD3. Even if kept at the 4.3 inch screen it will be a nice phone. I can see why the 4.5 was drawn as the specs were almost the same as the actual HD2 in terms of overall size.

I think once the news of no upgrade wears off I am sure people will see why the business model MS has taken will actually create a better Marketplace, User Experience and Future Hardware designs.

It will also push the limits of the networks and make them upgrade and increase speeds. With the always on features of WP7 and the HUBS it will require OEM's to create better battery life, Carriers to provide faster networks and Developers to become more creative.

I don't care what the Apple fans will say but MS will nail it this time. They have the hype, they have the hardware vendors and they have the determination to get it right. Sure Apple has given them business models to consider but that is part of competition. Everyone knows who to make a mousetrap but who will make it better? Apple built one hell of a mousetrap and MS afrer careful study is poised to create a better one.

Let the games begin!


mrmomoman said,
I am not worried about the HD2 since it will last for at least 6 months for me. I can resell it for 1/2 the purchase price and use my upgrade to the new phone and recover.

The restictions will be a God Send to all the other users out there. We are a small pool of higher end users and remapping buttons, loading this and loading that is not part of the user experience any company would want to go through. I agree with the APP store concept. Apple nailed it. But Windows also allows for more modifications and I know XDA will help with that. HTC has created some test models for them to run WP7 on and eventually the drivers will leak.

I do like the concept HTC HD3. Even if kept at the 4.3 inch screen it will be a nice phone. I can see why the 4.5 was drawn as the specs were almost the same as the actual HD2 in terms of overall size.

I think once the news of no upgrade wears off I am sure people will see why the business model MS has taken will actually create a better Marketplace, User Experience and Future Hardware designs.

It will also push the limits of the networks and make them upgrade and increase speeds. With the always on features of WP7 and the HUBS it will require OEM's to create better battery life, Carriers to provide faster networks and Developers to become more creative.

I don't care what the Apple fans will say but MS will nail it this time. They have the hype, they have the hardware vendors and they have the determination to get it right. Sure Apple has given them business models to consider but that is part of competition. Everyone knows who to make a mousetrap but who will make it better? Apple built one hell of a mousetrap and MS afrer careful study is poised to create a better one.

Let the games begin!



Thanks for the constructive comment, I agree with you, this will create better competition

I think htc should talk with mircosoft on this phone because I for one wanted to get a HD2 and now I am re-thinking of getting one for the reason that within a few months the phone will be old. I have notice that the new windows phone may have a more features then the HD2. I like the concept phone posted over at : http://pocketnow.com/rumor/yet-another-htc-hd3-concept-phone.
So I guess I will save my money and wait it out.

xchaser said,
I think htc should talk with mircosoft on this phone because I for one wanted to get a HD2 and now I am re-thinking of getting one for the reason that within a few months the phone will be old. I have notice that the new windows phone may have a more features then the HD2. I like the concept phone posted over at : http://pocketnow.com/rumor/yet-another-htc-hd3-concept-phone.
So I guess I will save my money and wait it out.

Pretty much what everyone's gonna do here, wait.

xchaser said,
I think htc should talk with mircosoft on this phone because I for one wanted to get a HD2 and now I am re-thinking of getting one for the reason that within a few months the phone will be old. I have notice that the new windows phone may have a more features then the HD2. I like the concept phone posted over at : http://pocketnow.com/rumor/yet-another-htc-hd3-concept-phone.
So I guess I will save my money and wait it out.

Yeah, I think waiting is the only real option. Since HTC marketed this as upgradeable, I think that they should offer some sort of upgrade discount though...

I know for sure that Snapdragon supports OpenGL 2. As for DirectX, I've never ever heard of a mobile gpu that supports it. Anyone knows better?

mr.r9 said,
I know for sure that Snapdragon supports OpenGL 2. As for DirectX, I've never ever heard of a mobile gpu that supports it. Anyone knows better?
nVidia's Tegra chip (used in the Zune HD) supposedly supports DirectX 9.0c.

Source: [ http://news.softpedia.com/news...DIA-039-s-Tegra-93192.shtml ]

Unfortunately, the first iteration of the Tegra chip is too weak for XNA 4.0. Hopefully it's not too weak to run Silverlight though.

majortom1981 said,
IS the gpu in the phone capable of direct x though?

I would assume so, the issue is more that the "search" button is missing i think.

Majesticmerc said,

I would assume so, the issue is more that the "search" button is missing i think.

Microsoft's obsession with Bing is be problem, all Windows Phones must have easy access to Bing.

majortom1981 said,
IS the gpu in the phone capable of direct x though?

I don't think it can handle Dx9 though, another failing.

thealexweb said,

Microsoft's obsession with Bing is be problem, all Windows Phones must have easy access to Bing.

Um, not quite. It's a search button. If you are in your contacts, it will search within your contacts, in your Programs it will search there. It isn't just Bing (Though in the right context it is supposed to give access to that...). That's why the button is important.

There's an important lesson here. Buy something if it does exactly what you want when you buy it. Don't buy it on future potential nor the chance that it might do something more in the future, because when things like this happen you're left disappointed.

If it already does what you want and does it fine, why complain? Your phone hasn't broken. If you want WM7 for the sake of WM7, get a new phone.

PureLegend said,
There's an important lesson here. Buy something if it does exactly what you want when you buy it. Don't buy it on future potential nor the chance that it might do something more in the future, because when things like this happen you're left disappointed.

If it already does what you want and does it fine, why complain? Your phone hasn't broken. If you want WM7 for the sake of WM7, get a new phone.

I would say that a lot of people who bought the HD2 and found the experience lacking were hoping that WM7 would be their saviour. Of the few people I know that have phones running Windows Mobile 6/6.5, no-one likes it, and of my (admittedly limited) experience its awful. If they can't upgrade, they will not be able to try Windows Mobile 7, and will be unlikely to take the risk of getting another Windows-Based phone. I know at least one of my friends is going to be ditching his Windows Mobile phone for either an Android one or an iPhone in the coming months, and then never looking back.

PureLegend said,
There's an important lesson here. Buy something if it does exactly what you want when you buy it. Don't buy it on future potential nor the chance that it might do something more in the future, because when things like this happen you're left disappointed.

If it already does what you want and does it fine, why complain? Your phone hasn't broken. If you want WM7 for the sake of WM7, get a new phone.


You shouldn't have to get a new phone the HD2 is only 4 months old and apart from not having a dedicated hard search button its MORE than qualified to run WM7.

It has a 1Ghz CPU, 448Mb Ram (WM7 requires 256), 5Mp Camera, Capacitive touch.

It already has back and windows buttons but it also has a "home" button as well as call and hang up buttons, they could just remap the home button as search button.

There is NO reason not to allow WM7 to run on a device that is literally brand new other than to make people spend another £500 (sim free) just for a phone that has a hardware button on the front.

Edited by Richard Hammond, Mar 16 2010, 10:20am :

Richard Hammond said,

You shouldn't have to get a new phone

You don't have to.

EDIT: Just to be clear I think this is a pretty crappy move too, I'm just pointing out that your phone still does what it did when you bought it.

Edited by PL_, Mar 16 2010, 10:51am :

Majesticmerc said,

I would say that a lot of people who bought the HD2 and found the experience lacking were hoping that WM7 would be their saviour. Of the few people I know that have phones running Windows Mobile 6/6.5, no-one likes it, and of my (admittedly limited) experience its awful. If they can't upgrade, they will not be able to try Windows Mobile 7, and will be unlikely to take the risk of getting another Windows-Based phone. I know at least one of my friends is going to be ditching his Windows Mobile phone for either an Android one or an iPhone in the coming months, and then never looking back.

WM 6.5 is great. Its light years above 6. I have used it everyday for a year now and cant complain one bit. There are a ton of apps for it too. Im now holding out on a new phone for WM7...its gonna be epic. Naysay all you want, when its finally released and MS does advertising for it, people are going to be flocking for it.

Richard Hammond said,

You shouldn't have to get a new phone the HD2 is only 4 months old and apart from not having a dedicated hard search button its MORE than qualified to run WM7.

It has a 1Ghz CPU, 448Mb Ram (WM7 requires 256), 5Mp Camera, Capacitive touch.

It already has back and windows buttons but it also has a "home" button as well as call and hang up buttons, they could just remap the home button as search button.

There is NO reason not to allow WM7 to run on a device that is literally brand new other than to make people spend another £500 (sim free) just for a phone that has a hardware button on the front.


It really doesn't matter, Microsoft doesn't care what money you've "already" spent. They just want more.

PureLegend said,
There's an important lesson here. Buy something if it does exactly what you want when you buy it. Don't buy it on future potential nor the chance that it might do something more in the future, because when things like this happen you're left disappointed.

If it already does what you want and does it fine, why complain? Your phone hasn't broken. If you want WM7 for the sake of WM7, get a new phone.

Exactly. The only problem here that I see is that HTC touted that it would be upgradeable to WP7 (Apparently before they knew anything about it), and sold it as such. THIS would upset me if I were an HD2 owner... I hope HTC does something for their customers.

But regardless, this isn't Microsoft's problem, and I still support their decision to break away from Windows Mobile 6.x...

tsutton said,
That's not good news... but I'm pretty sure XDA Dev can do it!

Yeah, I'm thinking that making a hardware button might even be beyond their abilities...

Microsoft is giving Windows Phone 7 its worst chance of success possible, removing features left and right and not only abandoning all old apps but all old phones to.

thealexweb said,
Microsoft is giving Windows Phone 7 its worst chance of success possible, removing features left and right and not only abandoning all old apps but all old phones to.

What features are they removing?

thealexweb said,

http://www.wmexperts.com/wp7s-...-no-background-multitasking

It's basically iPhone style restrictions, end users can only install apps from the marketplace, probably no removable storage or drag and drop support. It's a fansite so they wouldn't exaggerate the mobile OS they love,


I honestly believe it makes sense, they're trying to unify the platform, and the marketplace model is proven to work because it's secure, offers verified application downloads and makes money

Owenw said,

I honestly believe it makes sense, they're trying to unify the platform, and the marketplace model is proven to work because it's secure, offers verified application downloads and makes money

I still think Microsoft doesn't need to be so restrictive, allowing only two screen resolutions it stupid, no memory cards will make having a phone with a big storage capacity much much more expensive. For example on a regular phone you can £25 for a 16GB SD memory card, on an iPhone the gap between models is considerably more.

thealexweb said,
Microsoft is giving Windows Phone 7 its worst chance of success possible, removing features left and right and not only abandoning all old apps but all old phones to.

Same as android, quite a few aren't upgradable.
One thing apple deffo does right.

acnpt said,

Same as android, quite a few aren't upgradable.
One thing apple deffo does right.

It's not hard for Apple they have 3 models of a similar phone, very difficult for Android many models (and a considerable portion will get 2.1, only the very oldest won't). I don't see many 6.5 models in the shops it wouldn't be to hard for MS to update some of them.

Owenw said,

What features are they removing?

Sideloading apps on your own from a PC is also gone. All apps must be Microsoft approved.

thealexweb said,

It's not hard for Apple they have 3 models of a similar phone, very difficult for Android many models (and a considerable portion will get 2.1, only the very oldest won't). I don't see many 6.5 models in the shops it wouldn't be to hard for MS to update some of them.

Yes, but they don't meet the requirements, so they don't get upgraded... THIS phone is an issue because HTC sold the phone as upgradeable to WP7, so hopefully they'll do something to address this...

As for no memory cards, I've heard absolutely nothing about WP7 not supporting memory cards, and in fact I expect without a doubt to find WP7 phones that HAVE memory cards... That's hardly something I'm worried about. It's become common place...

As for installing apps from locations other than Marketplace, this is one thing I'm hoping they do allow. I can understand pushing Marketplace, but I think that it's important to be able to install software from other locations as well. What if I release a sister app to a desktop program I have available? We'll just have to see what happens here.

But in reality, I think Microsoft is doing a lot of things right here, and I think it's good that they're cutting away from Windows Mobile 6.x...

tuxplorer said,

Sideloading apps on your own from a PC is also gone. All apps must be Microsoft approved.


No biggie, it's what everyone else is doing, it makes sense, cause it makes money.