HTC: ''Some'' phones will get Gingerbread update

It seems the Android upgrade lottery has begun again following Tuesday's announcement of Android ''Gingerbread'' 2.3.

Within hours of Google's launch event, TechRadar got in touch with HTC regarding the latest and greatest iteration of the dessert-themed mobile OS. The mobile maker's response was less than illuminating for those wondering when their handset will get a taste of Gingerbread.

''We are excited about the OS update coming for Android, and while HTC will definitely have some phones running this OS, we do not have a specific timeframe for new phones or updates at this time. Please stay tuned for more details,'' a spokesperson said.

TechRadar wasted little time in declaring that HTC's flagship handset, the Desire HD, would be first in line to receive the 2.3 update. Yet it may be worth remembering that the original HTC Desire did not receive the Froyo (Android 2.2) treatment for three months following Google's announcement of that update. Unlocked HTC Legend owners only today received the Froyo update.

HTC's statement about the Gingerbread update followed confusion among LG Optimus handset owners about the likelihood of an Android update. On Tuesday, it appeared Optimus users would be left high and dry when it came to Gingerbread compatibility, after an LG staff member posted on the company's Facebook page that the Optimus line of handsets fell short of a 1GHz processor requirement for Gingerbread.

Android lead developer Dan Morrill stepped in to save the day within hours and dismissed any talk of a processor ''hard minimum'' via Twitter.

''Random note: there's no hard minimum processor requirement for Gingerbread. Trust me, if there were I'd know. ;),'' he tweeted. In a later tweet, Mr Morrill said hardware requirements for Gingerbread were similar to those for Froyo, though he admitted there were ''practical limits'' that may result in older devices missing out on the update.

By Wednesday, LG had removed the Facebook post and issued a statement via its website apologising for the confusion and promising to ''evaluate the upgradability of the Optimus Series'' once compatibility documents and final code for the Gingerbread update were made available.

Samsung users have also received mixed signals from their handset maker. Pocket-lint on Wednesday published a vague statement from Samsung that neither confirmed or denied the handset maker would bring Gingerbread to its devices. The waters became somewhat clearer later that day when Samsung's Indian arm tweeted that Galaxy S handsets would receive the Gingerbread update. Whether or not the tweet represented official Samsung policy remains to be seen.

The mixed Gingerbread update signals came as Google vice president of engineering Andy Rubin claimed, via his second-ever tweet, that more than 300,000 Android phones are activated each day. Various online news outlets have claimed the tweet was a response to reports earlier this week that Android activations were slowing down and could soon plateau.

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I got some sort of update today on my Droid. I don't think it is gingerbread, but the phone is performing better and faster,

If it comes to the Desire, I want faster boot times.
The preview of the Desire-HD booting in seconds was LUSH! Why can't the Desire do it

Just bought a HTC Wildfire 2 hours ago, loving it so far. Has eclair on it and awaiting the FroYo update.

lordcanti86 said,
This is why I went with WP7. I'm tired of having to hack my device just to get an OS update.

That's the same reason I started paying for their desktop OS, I was tired of reading man pages or scouring forums for latest wga hack.

dotf said,

That's the same reason I started paying for their desktop OS, I was tired of reading man pages or scouring forums for latest wga hack.

And why were you bypassing WGA if you were running Linux?

lordcanti86 said,
This is why I went with WP7. I'm tired of having to hack my device just to get an OS update.

Except you may never see any updates with MS's record of PDA OS updates.....

briangw said,
Except you may never see any updates with MS's record of PDA OS updates.....
???

You know it's a stated intention to put out regular OS updates, right?

Kirkburn said,
???

You know it's a stated intention to put out regular OS updates, right?

Funny, cause MS never really did a great job with their PDA OS's.

I don't understand why hardware manufacturers are going out of their way to make the Android platform suck. They're shooting themselves in the foot with this.

But what real function does 2.3 provide which 2.2 doesn't. I've looked all over and there's not really anything to excite me. Is there?

Once again instead of sitting back and enjoying the latest update android users have to either hold their breath and hope they get an update or scour forums for hacked roms. Cant wait to get an android phone and join the agony! /s

No worries here. I know I will get 2.3 and 3.0 (for that matter) on my Desire, thanks to *HTML-strike* hacked */HTML-strike* community ROM's, which are waaay better and have more frequent updates than vendor ROM's.

mnk2xl said,
No worries here. I know I will get 2.3 and 3.0 (for that matter) on my Desire, thanks to *HTML-strike* hacked */HTML-strike* community ROM's, which are waaay better and have more frequent updates than vendor ROM's.

Until some rogue puts a back door in a ROM and the whole house of cards comes toppling down...

Vice said,

Until some rogue puts a back door in a ROM and the whole house of cards comes toppling down...

That's why you have early adoption testers to verify it works first

Vice said,
Until some rogue puts a back door in a ROM and the whole house of cards comes toppling down...

There hasn't bee anything of the sorts in the history of community built ROM's. And I don't expect it to change.

I just wish, that Google would force every Android phone maker to update their phones to the last version of Android (if the phone meet the minimum hardware requirements) up to 3 months of the release of the new android version.
If they not comply, their license to sell new phones would be removed...

onesolo said,
I just wish, that Google would force every Android phone maker to update their phones to the last version of Android (if the phone meet the minimum hardware requirements) up to 3 months of the release of the new android version.
If they not comply, their license to sell new phones would be removed...

+1, Google definitely needs to put their foot down on how it issues licences to manufacturers who have had/have a poor (if not non-existent) update policy, especially when there is no good reason whatsoever for no providing it considering most phones are on an 18 to 24 month contract.

Google should say that it is mandatory for phone manufacturers to provide updates for at least two years from date of handset release, of all Google OS updates within 1 month of said OS update being released by Google.

onesolo said,
I just wish, that Google would force every Android phone maker to update their phones to the last version of Android (if the phone meet the minimum hardware requirements) up to 3 months of the release of the new android version.
If they not comply, their license to sell new phones would be removed...

I keep reading people saying this, and I wonder if they have any actual concept of how open source software works.

Most of Android is released under an Apache license, which pretty much means that anyone can do anything with it. Google have absolutely no control except over their apps (Gmail, Maps, Market etc). What you're proposing is impossible.

I think this is the true issue with the Android OS, however at the same time it could be a driving force for more powerful handsets.

Personally, I rooted and used CyanogenMod ROM on my Desire the day I got it. Don't really care about official HTC update, as I am sure CyanogenMod will have Gingerbread ROM as soon as possible.

Though Google is yet to release Android 2.3 source code, so ROM developers can start porting, there's already one Gingerbread ROM for Desire available on xda-developers, which was made just using ROM image from Android 2.3 SDK.

mnk2xl said,
Though Google is yet to release Android 2.3 source code, so ROM developers can start porting, there's already one Gingerbread ROM for Desire available on xda-developers, which was made just using ROM image from Android 2.3 SDK.

AdamG will save us!

tomjol said,

AdamG will save us!

Oh yeah! He rocks!
Wouldn't be surprised if Oxygen ROM will be the first one to run Gingerbread.

mnk2xl said,

Oh yeah! He rocks!
Wouldn't be surprised if Oxygen ROM will be the first one to run Gingerbread.

It will inevitably take the Cyanogen guys longer to get all their stuff working on Gingerbread than it will for AdamG to get Oxygen running smooth...largely because he hasn't made many changes as yet I suppose. Either way, as you say, he rocks!

With all the devs, and cheap/discounted android phones...who really cares. Froyo is not out for the Vibrant but I have it on my phone anyway...and it works great.

techbeck said,
With all the devs, and cheap/discounted android phones...who really cares. Froyo is not out for the Vibrant but I have it on my phone anyway...and it works great.

I think that users care. Those who are not in the know, but their buddies Android phone does something that theirs doesn't.

Businesses that want their users to take advantage of new Android features but can't because of company policy against hacking devices, they probably care.

Shadrack said,

I think that users care. Those who are not in the know, but their buddies Android phone does something that theirs doesn't.

Businesses that want their users to take advantage of new Android features but can't because of company policy against hacking devices, they probably care.

I dont know of many that use droids primarily. Mostly is WM or BBs.

If fragmentation was an issue, google wouldnt be activating 300k new devices per day. IMO, fragmentation is just something for users to rag about.

Even if my Incredible doesn't get it, it has already received one large update and I'm sure there will be a dozen roms sporting Gingerbread

thornz0 said,
Even if my Incredible doesn't get it, it has already received one large update and I'm sure there will be a dozen roms sporting Gingerbread

I don't see why the Incredible would not get it. It's more than powerful enough to run it.

thornz0 said,
Even if my Incredible doesn't get it, it has already received one large update and I'm sure there will be a dozen roms sporting Gingerbread

Very true, it is the modded ROMs that have kept a lot of people from giving up or getting POed at Android and Google.

However, it should be Google demanding and working with MFRs and Carriers and better platform driver revisions to get the fixes and version updates out to devices that work just fine on most devices.

If it truly was a 'minimum' hardware issue, it could at least have some validty, but Android 2.3 still only requires 256mb RAM and a 600mhz processor, which even the early Android phones easily meet. Instead we are seeing the time and resrouces that MFRs are reluctant to put into each update for each phone mode. And when they start hiting a few simple driver and performance issues, they are more likely to give up as the cost to maintain Android gets expensive fast. (And this is also true of the carriers that add in features and customizations on top of the MFR build optimizations for each device.)

I truly don't get why Google doesn't understand this and commit to fully supporting their platform, like MS is doing with WP7. Google has the money and resources, they just may need to add some engineers to work more closely with some of the device specific chipsets and drivers.

So, thank goodness for the mod community, it is doing more to save face for Android than Google.

I hope the Galaxy S gets the update after just getting the phone on contract. Thankfully its unloked and does not come with any branding so if/when Samsung do decide to update I should be fine.

I say this as a friend on an orange contract and has an orange branded handset still hasnt been updated to 2.2 he's still on 2.1

I got the 2.2 update as soon as I plugged the phone into Kies

This is part of the reason why I switched to an iPhone (I did say PART)

I had a G1 that came with 1.5 and by the time 2.0 was release I was still stuck with 1.5 with no signs of an upgrade coming... Then the whole 911 issue came up and they started to work on an upgrade for the G1 (but I managed to use the issue to get my provider to trade the 2 G1s I had for 2 iPhone 3Gs )

If the Desire HD gets it, there is no reason for the Desire not to get it either. I will be very sad :'( if the HD version gets it, and the standard version doens't...

I really hate this fragmentation. Im still waiting for Froyo on my milestone. Maybe a WinPhone 7 is in my horizon. Who knows...

Mr.ed said,
I really hate this fragmentation. Im still waiting for Froyo on my milestone. Maybe a WinPhone 7 is in my horizon. Who knows...

Why is it fragmentation? Did Google or HTC ever say that devices will have infinite firmware upgrades?
If you research a bit you'd know that there are devices that have "with Google" or "by Google"
on their back. But of course you wouldn't research & would like to just comment mindlessly.
If you want to have continuous official upgrades, buy a Nexus device.

mr.r9 said,

Why is it fragmentation? Did Google or HTC ever say that devices will have infinite firmware upgrades?
If you research a bit you'd know that there are devices that have "with Google" or "by Google"
on their back. But of course you wouldn't research & would like to just comment mindlessly.
If you want to have continuous official upgrades, buy a Nexus device.

Well, no they didn't, but they did release a computing platform on a device the size of a phone.

This implies that the phones and Android are computing platforms with Applications and the need for bug fixes and a certain amount of upgrades to keep the platform current with development and end user expectations.

If they were not interested in doing a living platform as you suggest, then they should have been upfront about their model and insetad of Android, just provided a locked version of set features like a Cable Box, or a Microwave. You don't provide a computing platform and then proceed to pretned like it is a locked appliance/device.

(Look at the poor phone users still suck at 1.6 of Android that can't even run Google Maps with phones that are more than capable of OpenGL application support and the ability to run 2.1 or 2.2 that don't get that option because of the MFR or carrier that doesn't want to invest the time and resources into the ongoing version releases that not only change the core platform features for developers, but features for the end users. -And this is not even considering the patches and updates that are security and bux fixes that users are NOT getting, opening up secuirty exploits and leaving devices with buggy operation.)

Fragmentation has already happened, the question is whether Google is going to realize this and curtail it or just let it continue until Android is destroy and no longer reqpected by average users.

Instead of pretending that fragmenation isn't happening, maybe go to the Android blogs and open a discussion about the problems you can admit to yourself and express your concern to Google before they do blow it.

mr.r9 said,

If you research a bit you'd know that there are devices that have "with Google" or "by Google"
on their back. But of course you wouldn't research & would like to just comment mindlessly.

What about if it doesn't say either on the back? My Evo doesn't mention "with google" or "by google" ;-) I would assume you didn't research every device before you posted that.

mr.r9 said,

Why is it fragmentation? Did Google or HTC ever say that devices will have infinite firmware upgrades?
If you research a bit you'd know that there are devices that have "with Google" or "by Google"
on their back. But of course you wouldn't research & would like to just comment mindlessly.
If you want to have continuous official upgrades, buy a Nexus device.

Ok. First of all, watch the attitude. We are just having a sensible discussion. No need to be an ass.

Second of all, i did do my research. I was under the impression that being Google the creator of the Android OS, updates would at least be regularly released. And at least one expects updates and improvements for the first year of the life of the device.

Thirdly, my beef is with the manufacturer, Motorola in this case.

So, even though Google or the carriers dont owe us anything, the fragmentation is real, be it "With Google"or "By Google". You cant blame people for wanting "all Android features" having an Android device, albeit an old (6 months) one. Carriers dont advertise "have an Android device with 1.6 features". They advertise "have the Android experience".

Mr.Ed

footballmad909 said,
Fingers crossed for my Desire...

Dont worry even if its not official we will end up with it sooner or later. The Desire HD is getting it, which means it can be ported to the original Desire along with the updated HTC Sense interface.

footballmad909 said,
Fingers crossed for my Desire...

I will be crossing my fingers aswell, but since there is a rather new version of the Desire I think they will be making it for the Desire aswell

footballmad909 said,
Fingers crossed for my Desire...

Can you say "Windows Mobile Fated" 10 times? How about "Hoping and Waiting"? "Guaranteed" ?

footballmad909 said,
Fingers crossed for my Desire...

Step 1: Relax
Step 2: Don't panic
Step 3: One way or the other you can run it, hell my HD2 is running it now.

footballmad909 said,
Fingers crossed for my Desire...

Eh, I'll have it one way or another - if Telus doesn't release 2.3, I'll just unlock my Desire and run Cyanogenmod when it updates.

InsaneNutter said,

Dont worry even if its not official we will end up with it sooner or later. The Desire HD is getting it, which means it can be ported to the original Desire along with the updated HTC Sense interface.

Yes, but don't forget it's not just a matter of a technical conversion - they have to decide to invest into supporting it, etc. And I am one of those Desire users who have no desire (pun intended) to install hacked firmwares. Anyway, let's hope for the best.