Hundreds of complaints swarm Xbox One feedback site and Reddit

While there are many benefits to buying the popular Microsoft console Xbox One, it appears the device comes with its fair share of setbacks and limitations.

Hundreds of Xbox One users have taken to an unofficial feedback site and Reddit to vent their frustration on issues they are facing with their device. Top issues reported by users mainly concern the lack of certain features that are available for the Xbox 360 but left out of the latest device.

The inability to manually invite players to games and being able to join the session in progress is a reoccurring complaint causing- as one person described it- headaches for users.  

User Jvcode says these particular Xbox 360 features are well missed by the community.

“It's so difficult to get a game with your friends when there's no "invite" or "Join" options, plus the invite systems from within games doesn't work for those already in your party and the person your inviting never gets the notification. What's the point in paying for Gold if I can't game with my friends.”

Several complaints about the Xbox TV feature could damage the console’s reputation for being the ultimate entertainment hub. User HobokenGary suggests Microsoft should allow “passive HDMI passthrough” in standby mode so the device won’t have to be turned on to watch TV.

The issue of jittery frame rates due to the One’s 60Hz output has caused also some concern for the Xbox faithful in the EU, where televisions output to 50Hz. This issue is known to cause TV signals to drop or skip frames particularly when viewing sporting broadcasts.

 

Facebook user Kishan Jeter even compares his console to his smartphone, stating his "cheap" mobile device has superior voice recognition compared to his "shiny" Xbox One. "Why can't I just speak the words into my awesome, new, Kinect device and have it type out the words for me," Jeter said.

Xboxfeedback.com was set up by the community in hope that developers will rectify the problems in order to work towards a better Xbox. Both Reddit and Xbox Feedback sites have accumulated over 1440 comments at the time of publication.

Source: Xbox Feedback  | Images via Microsoft, Digital Trends

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Just because Reddit posted rants, doesn't mean the entire world suffers from it. Microsoft did a giant leap to merge console and living room together. Everyone does it, first was Roku then Smart TV. Sony even tried 3D Blu-ray and TV, but pretty much is declining.

First Roku wasn't that great with Roku 3 it's significantly better because there's more apps being developed. The point is, Xbox One is the first and it will get better as we all see UI was modified from original X360 from 8 years ago.

Polygon's Title for this story:
Reddit user compiling unofficial wishlist of Xbox One improvements

Neowin's click bait title for this story:
Hundreds of complaints swarm Xbox One feedback site and Reddit

Now polygon is a lot more neutral vs the usually bias towards MS Neowin, so not sure what this news posters issue is with Xbox, but how about we stick to the news?

Yeah I was more optimistic when I submitted this story to neowin, it was more like "fans get together to discuss improvements and desires"

"...where televisions output to 50Hz."

In the UK we don't live in the stone age, we have HD TVs here you know. Guess what, they also accept a 60Hz signal as well. It's the STBs that are the problem as they output in 50Hz whereas the Xbox One outputs in 60Hz.

It's fixable by adding a 50Hz mode into the firmware, patching games to allow a 50Hz mode and having it auto switch to 50Hz mode when a UK STB is connected to the HDMI Input that doesn't run in 60Hz mode.

Patching games to support 50Hz is not always easy. If they had made it a requirement from the start, developers would have built their games with this in mind and there wouldn't be any of these problems. It's not too late for MS to start imposing this though.

I don't get the HDMI passthrough thing. The entire point of connecting my TV into my Xbox is to use the voice commands and be able to jump back and forth between TV and the dashboard/other apps or games. Having the Xbox off is the same as just connecting my TV signal to a different HDMI port.

The party system is really odd to get used to and much more cumbersome than the old invite system. It feels like it was designed to be used with "always on" in mind. So I could be playing one game while my multiplayer match in another was loading, but since they make me insert discs now, the whole thing got trashed.

As I said in my review (rant?) of the dashboard, it really does feel not ready to be released. I wish both Microsoft and Sony had waited another year to launch. Both systems launched with incomplete experiences and were extremely rushed to the finish line. Yes, we patch everything later, but its the users who have to suffer until that happens.

LightEco said,
I don't get the HDMI passthrough thing. The entire point of connecting my TV into my Xbox is to use the voice commands and be able to jump back and forth between TV and the dashboard/other apps or games. Having the Xbox off is the same as just connecting my TV signal to a different HDMI port..

Tech enthusiasts wives/children are not always as... enthusiastic. Asking my family to turn on the Xbox to watch TV is just not happening. And I don't always want to do so either. I'd like the option.

Of course they're going to complain... please are not willing to learn... they want to be spoon fed and want everything to just magically happen. Just like any device, learn to use the freakin thing... I have one and it's super easy and intuitive once you learn how to use it.

Atomic Wanderer Chicken said,
How can the Xbox One be thing that does everything. including multimedia, if you have pay to unlock things like Netflix?

Yes, we get it. Don't buy one then.
You yammer on and on about it but it's a discussion that dies years ago, get over it.

If you're a Netflix member for example, you are under no obligation to use it on your new shiny Xbox. If you want it on the big TV then go and buy a new £1000 TV that does little else... oh wait, nah maybe i'll just use the Xbox that does many, many things and fork out roughly £25 per year for a XBL membership. Pittance.

If you don't already, you should apply at MS, clearly you have the necessary attitude and lack of understanding we've come to expect.

It's a very obtuse limitation though. Are there really that many people who would buy an Xbox One, watch Netflix, and not buy Live Gold subscriptions?

Hahaiah said,
If you don't already, you should apply at MS, clearly you have the necessary attitude and lack of understanding we've come to expect.

Brilliant, just brilliant.

Of course it was rushed, but there is simply ZERO excuse to not get certain things absolutely right, something like this is one of them. This whole attitude of just ship whatever and we'll fix it later is already having consequences, many people including myself will never buy MS products (and many others) when they're first released anymore. I've avoided the W8 aggravation along with other products that were not finished or refined. That said, this time next year it'll likely be smoothed out and become the console we all really wanted, but those who bought early will just have to deal with it, I think using Reddit etc. is an excellent tool to get the word out and apply pressure and was obviously necessary.
Seriously though, HOW did they miss this? Ridiculous.

Hundreds of complaints? Bull. A large number of these are feature requests. Sure, some of them are features present on the 360, but calling the bulk of them complaints is misleading.

All these problem is fixable by software updates, but I am not sure how Sony can deal with PS4's blue and red light of death problems (due to very compact design) and poor Battery life on game pads.

That was very limited amount of number and they reimbursed them with a good unit and free games, honestly I was jealous I got a non-broken unit becuase of those perks, and again its not a DESIGN problem. PS4 suffers compact design problem. If you were a PC gamer you would have known that little bit extra space for your CPU and GPU to breath is crucial to performance and preventing unwanted crashes.

MikeChipshop said,

Items damaged in transit do not a design flaw make.


Well that's funny because the PS4 was shipped just like the XBox One was; it didn't teleport directly from the factory into your house. Or do shipping companies just hate Microsoft? So either the Xbox One was designed poorly and failed or the shipping companies purposefully damaged Xboxes but not PS4s. Let's go with the former.

Tha Bloo Monkee said,

Well that's funny because the PS4 was shipped just like the XBox One was; it didn't teleport directly from the factory into your house. Or do shipping companies just hate Microsoft? So either the Xbox One was designed poorly and failed or the shipping companies purposefully damaged Xboxes but not PS4s. Let's go with the former.

Many of the issues with PS4's are not directly attributable to shipping.
I'm not knocking either, i own neither and will not make my mind up on my first purchase to after the new year, but damaged drives and cases with scratches on the XB1 have already been said to be caused by shipping. Poor battery life pads and DOA arrivals on the PS4 have little to do with shipping.

I guess I may be minority demographic because I bought both the Xbox One & the PS4. Previously, I only had the PS3, which I really enjoyed, but literally everyone I knew had a 360 so I didn't really have a good time with the multiplayer aspect of the PS3. This generation I decided I was going to get both systems since I really enjoy the PS exclusives and I'll have the Xbox One in case that's what everyone else I know decides to game on. With that being said, I only have one game for each. Dead Rising 3 & BF4. I can tell you right now that Dead Rising 3 is an extremely fun game and because of that game I am playing my Xbox One way more than my PS4. Although, BF4 looks absolutely stunning to me on PS4. Now about that other stuff the Xbox One does... like TV. Well, that portion of it just ain't for me and my family. I REALLY like how walking into the room and saying "Xbox On" turns all my stuff on. That's a great feature. The TV interface however... not so much. The picture just didn't look the same to me and it always tuned my DirecTV box to channel 3 every time I powered on. I'm sure those are things that will get fixed down the road with updates. However, I got really annoyed with my own voice using the One Guide. Sitting in a room with your family no one wants to hear someone constantly saying "page up, page up, page up, page up". I don't even want to hear it when I am in a room by myself! haha. I know I can use the controller but I already have a DirecTV remote which I found myself using after 15min of trying out the voice activated One Guide. Ok, so I thought we just won't use the One Guide, but then I found Kinect seemed to ONLY like my voice for the "Xbox On" & off commands. The only way my wife could get it to work was if she lowered her voice to mimic mine which I think it pretty funny. Needless to say, after Day 1, DirecTV was removed from my Xbox One. It's still easier and much faster to just grab a remote and press one button to turn on/off my DirecTV box, TV, & AVR. I like the idea of the HDMI passthrough if the picture quality is not affected. I think this is all really cool tech that MS is attempting with Xbox One but it's not polished enough. Maybe in another 5 to 10yrs. But let me tell you the one thing that has really ****ed me off about the Xbox One, and this may be trival to some but I am like steaming mad about it. The fact that there was no TV mount included with the Kinect just drives me nuts! I have wasted so much time driving all over the place looking for this PDP Kinect mount thing for $20 that either no one has heard of or they are sold out. I thought I had done all my research, followed every story on both consoles but I guess I had no clue that I wouldn't be able to just set my Kinect on top of the TV without having to go hunt for this third party device. Aghhhhhh! I know, trivial right but it is still maddening! With all that being said, I think it's truly a great time to be a gamer and I am certainly excited to see what both companies do with their consoles. Now If some of my friends would pony up the cash any buy one of the systems... I'm ready to get my game on and whoop some butt with my friends!

put some spaces in the wall lol. I had somewhat similar experiences. I started to say "Xbox go to, Xbox do this etc." and my roommate was like I guess I'm going to hear that **** all night lol. I haven't did much voice since it does get kind of annoying.

Also I don't understand why they didn't include a mount for the Kinect. I have a wall mount for my 360 Kinect and well it looks like I need to get a new one for the Xbox One Kinect. Oh joy.

Stuff like this is why I'm interested to see if the Xbox One will pass the mom test. It's fine for the more technically inclined who are able to work around any of the problems or put up with them because we understand the technology and its limitations, but it has to be frustrating for someone who is used to things working a certain way as long as TV has existed and now they have to relearn the interface complete with quirks.

Geezy said,
Stuff like this is why I'm interested to see if the Xbox One will pass the mom test. It's fine for the more technically inclined who are able to work around any of the problems or put up with them because we understand the technology and its limitations, but it has to be frustrating for someone who is used to things working a certain way as long as TV has existed and now they have to relearn the interface complete with quirks.

Kids these days know more than their parents when it comes to technology. Mom wouldn't want this connected to the primary television because she wouldn't want to deal with it ...as you said, they are used to a certain things on how it works.

...unless Dad is the one that is more into the features of the new console and is a gamer.

The no HDMI Passthrough forced me to unplug my TV from the Xbox in under an hour. Ridiculous that it doesn't work that way. And MS has said its impossible to do with the current hardware, so it's not like a firmware update can add it later.

Why is it that when Microsoft does a kick-ass job but temporarily misses on a few minor points that they will correct later, people scream damn you Microsoft, damn you!!! But when Sony does a ****-poor job and shuts down half their services because their handful of servers can't support the load, people say ah yes that was a good decision.

Hundreds of complaints while over a million units were sold in the first few days. How is this newsworthy? Besides Neowin already reported that XOne was missing some features from X360.

Naturally this was not a smart move from Microsoft but its something that a software update can and will fix. When I read the title I thought something similar to PROD had happened. NEowin must be hungry for hits.

Also, a lot of those 'hundreds' of complaints are from the same users it looks like. So technically it's not even hundreds of users complaining but less submitting hundreds of complaints and a lot of them are just feature requests too lol.

Not that it likely matters to anyone, but I'm thoroughly enjoying my Xbox One experience. Voice commands work very well for me with very very few errors, I haven't really experienced any lag in the UI. And I love the seamless switching between TV and gaming. Made my whole entertainment center so much easier to use.

<shrugs>

Maybe I'm easy to please. But like I said, I'm enjoying it.

Well, I don't think anyone isn't expecting the software to evolve over time. I fully expect the updates to be frequent for a while until they feel it's more complete. They've been quite vocal about their desire to continue to improve the software...

if it wasn't for the whiners, then Microsoft wouldn't have had to basically rewrite many major parts of the OS,and would have had time to implement many more features for launch.

vcfan said,
if it wasn't for the whiners, then Microsoft wouldn't have had to basically rewrite many major parts of the OS,and would have had time to implement many more features for launch.

A small price to pay, considering the alternative outcome.

vcfan said,
if it wasn't for the whiners, then Microsoft wouldn't have had to basically rewrite many major parts of the OS,and would have had time to implement many more features for launch.

Microsoft didn't have to change anything...

vcfan said,
if it wasn't for the whiners, then Microsoft wouldn't have had to basically rewrite many major parts of the OS,and would have had time to implement many more features for launch.

I think it's time to stop blaming whiners, and start holding the entity in complete control of the product accountable.

Majesticmerc said,
Microsoft didn't have to change anything...

This. There were features that I liked, and some that I didn't like, but I applauded Microsoft during E3 because they were sticking to their guns. They were sticking to their vision of what the next generation should be. Then they 180'd and that was all Microsoft's doing.

benthebear said,

I think it's time to stop blaming whiners, and start holding the entity in complete control of the product accountable.

I never said I didn't blame Microsoft for caving in to internet forumers and twitter , in fact, I find that's probably one of the most disappointing things they have done,and xbox one would have been a better product at launch.

If they hadn't tried to impose their stupid restrictions in the first place the re-write wouldn't have been necessary either.

Javik said,
If they hadn't tried to impose their stupid restrictions in the first place the re-write wouldn't have been necessary either.

Agreed - just look at how those same restrictions have turned out on Steam... OHWAITAMINUTE....

Console is a waste of time and impediment to the future of technology integrating into the game. Mid level PC is the successor of console and why do people keep on feeding old technology that will get obsolete right out of the box. Buy a PC with mid range technology instead of console. If all people that really understand that only if we unite together and make PC the #1 platform for GAMING! So that game publisher can't leverage exclusive game and force you to buy a substitute platform that literally function the same and waste a chunk of cash.

We all need to make it happen and this will really rapidly push the newest technology in game at a much faster rate. Spread the news and no longer we will stuck in the past with console. We want change! A world where PC is the king of gaming platform. Your choice folks.

Edited by Master of Earth, Dec 4 2013, 1:23pm :

Master of Earth said,
Console is a waste of time and impediment to the future of technology integrating into the game. Mid level PC is the successor of console and why do people keep on feeding old technology that will get obsolete right out of the box. Buy a PC with mid range technology instead of console. If all people that really understand that only if we unite together and make PC the #1 platform for GAMING! So that game publisher can't leverage exclusive game and force you to buy a substitute platform that literally function the same and waste a chunk of cash.

We all need to make it happen and this will really rapidly push the newest technology in game at a much faster rate. Spread the news and no longer we will stuck in the past with console. We want change! A world where PC is the king of gaming platform. Your choice folks.


Give it a rest, will ya? It's a different market/audience. Deal with it.

NOOOOOO! Why do you want get your $ raped! If the PC is the only gaming platform we don't have to deal with exclusive games!!!!!!!! Why don't you look it from a different perspective and think of the enormous benefits. We are clearly holding back if the console continue as the forefront gaming platform and it's not how it should be and no company is advocating it. This is really bad if no one is pushing the PC as the #1 choice for gaming.

^ I don't even need any of your response to be honest with the way you just replied.[Moderator note: the reply in question was removed.] They want to make money off console but that's not the future for gaming and is utterly ridiculous to list out the reason because it will be as long as software license agreement.

Edited by Andre S., Dec 4 2013, 4:48pm :

Master of Earth said,
^ I don't even need any of your response to be honest with the way you just replied.[Moderator note: the reply in question was removed.] They want to make money off console but that's not the future for gaming and is utterly ridiculous to list out the reason because it will be as long as software license agreement.

As the user above said, give it a rest. Console and PC gaming is aimed at different audiences. I do both because sometimes i like PC gaming and sometimes i like console gaming. The yawnsome PC master race is a fallacy, both bring different things to the table.

Master of Earth said,
Console is a waste of time and impediment to the future of technology integrating into the game. Mid level PC is the successor of console and why do people keep on feeding old technology that will get obsolete right out of the box. Buy a PC with mid range technology instead of console. If all people that really understand that only if we unite together and make PC the #1 platform for GAMING! So that game publisher can't leverage exclusive game and force you to buy a substitute platform that literally function the same and waste a chunk of cash.

We all need to make it happen and this will really rapidly push the newest technology in game at a much faster rate. Spread the news and no longer we will stuck in the past with console. We want change! A world where PC is the king of gaming platform. Your choice folks.

There is absolutely nothing further from the truth. You are probably getting younger with each passing day also right?

Welcome to Xbeta1. In all seriousness, these days getting the first version of almost anything is the phase where lots of things aren't there, don't work or haven't been thought of yet. I "beta" tested Windows Phone from the day it came out. I knew it'd be lacking apps, features, etc. I didn't care. I knew it'd mature and it has and will keep maturing. Anyway, getting my XB1 sometime next year perhaps.

Good, bad or indifferent MS can't get anything right in 1.0. They seem to develop in a detached bubble and then fix the obvious problems once people raise hell about it upon release.

I hated Windows 8, but find 8.1 tolerable. Vista was garbage, Vista 2.0 (aka Windows 7) was spot on. etc.

NOBODY does. Apple ios 7 had bugs, Android browsers have been lagging since inception, Sony has issues. All 1.0 products has issues, MS issues just seem to get more press and that's probably because they have more haters.

Wait you want the Xbox to be off so that you can't use the TV guide and still wish to watch TV with it? It's called an hdmi switch silly and btw, you can get them with more than one input so you can then hook up all your consoles and devices via a passive hdmi input. People's stupidity is amazing: the reason you'd even use the hdmi feature over a passive hub is to make use of the TV guide that blows the cable box guide out of the water. If you don't want that, then using the hdmi in on the Xbox is pointless.

As for the rest, the ps4 also lost functionality and their forums are just as flooded with complains ranging from everything like red bars of death to overheating to lost capabilities like MP3 playback. Why not report on that?

neonspark said,
As for the rest, the ps4 also lost functionality and their forums are just as flooded with complains ranging from everything like red bars of death to overheating to lost capabilities like MP3 playback. Why not report on that?

Perhaps because this site is largely Microsoft-oriented. While other news slip in here, there's no denying this site has a heavy MS focus.

neonspark said,
Wait you want the Xbox to be off so that you can't use the TV guide and still wish to watch TV with it? It's called an hdmi switch silly and btw, you can get them with more than one input so you can then hook up all your consoles and devices via a passive hdmi input. People's stupidity is amazing: the reason you'd even use the hdmi feature over a passive hub is to make use of the TV guide that blows the cable box guide out of the water. If you don't want that, then using the hdmi in on the Xbox is pointless.

As for the rest, the ps4 also lost functionality and their forums are just as flooded with complains ranging from everything like red bars of death to overheating to lost capabilities like MP3 playback. Why not report on that?


Agreed. And the OneGuide is very nice, but it is also incomplete. I tried it and disconnected my DirecTV box because I found it annoying. I will surely try it again in the future as they improve it though.

With that said, I do see these issues:
1) For the energy efficiency crowd, I imagine this uses a good deal more. I don't know that there's more that can be done, and I don't know how big a difference this really makes, but surely there is something further that can be done here.

2) The XBox seems to have a very hard time with voice commands when the TV is on. I don't know if this is the case while in a game, as I don't yet have any. But, the XBox should be monitoring audio output, and listening for everything else. This would also resolve consoles acting upon voice commands from commercials.

3) I'm sure it's planned, but there needs to be support for recorded programs, etc. Most of my TV watching is recorded, so this is of particular issue for me. And you should be able to set things to record as well... If they're trying to replace my view of my TV Box, they need to be all in to do that.

4) There needs to be options to customize the experience. For instance, teach it a "watch [my channel] for channels not in the list. Or disable that stupid box that covers half the screen when you go to a channel. The experience just isn't there yet.

But, I'm sure there will be many updates to this to not only add features, but improve and refine the experience. So I will certainly check back and give it another try. It has a lot of potential.

M_Lyons10 said,

But, the XBox should be monitoring audio output, and listening for everything else. This would also resolve consoles acting upon voice commands from commercials.

FWIW it does do that. This is what the audio calibration is for. If it's not working well I'd rerun the calibration. Changes to the audio output (eg effects and channel modes on a receiver) can screw up the calibration easily (my experience with the 360) and redoing it, and then leaving these sorts of setting be, helps a lot.

I must admit the software on the Xbox One is very lacking when compared to the Xbox 360. I do find its very difficult to get in to games with friends as mentioned in the article. Also seeing who is on-line is difficult, you have no online notifications and have to background the game, then load an app up just to see who is on-line. When getting in to a party then having to enable voice chat after is a big annoyance too. To me the Xbox 360 just worked, where as the Xbox One requires a lot of effort to do basic things.

Also the console was marketed as an all in one media device, yet it cant play any of your own media what so ever... even the 360 can play your own music, view photos and stream video. Unless you use Netflix or dont have any of your own media a cheap smart phone is a more capable media device at present.

Uplift said,
Both consoles were rushed in my opinion... which is hilarious considering the amount of time they had to perfect them.

xbox OS development requires some help from people from Windows team. People who were busy working on Windows 8.1 and its post RTM updates.

I would not say they had plenty of time..,

link8506 said,

xbox OS development requires some help from people from Windows team. People who were busy working on Windows 8.1 and its post RTM updates.

I would not say they had plenty of time..,

There always has to be people apologising on behalf of Microsoft.. you have to laugh.

If the time frame wasn't suitable, why did Microsoft choose to ship the Xbox One right around the same time as they wanted to ship Windows 8.1? They choose the dates they ship their own damn products.. if they're unable to balance their resources (developers, etc) appropriately, then that's their own fault.

Chicane-UK said,

There always has to be people apologising on behalf of Microsoft.. you have to laugh.

If the time frame wasn't suitable, why did Microsoft choose to ship the Xbox One right around the same time as they wanted to ship Windows 8.1? They choose the dates they ship their own damn products.. if they're unable to balance their resources (developers, etc) appropriately, then that's their own fault.


Because it would be suicide to miss that launch window, and allow Sony to have the run up to Christmas to themselves.

They said themselves, they feel they were 6 months behind where they would like to have been, but it seems they had little choice.

I'm not an apologist, If you've read any of my posts about the XB1 you'd know that, but I do think that people forget what a gargantuan task it is to create and launch a product like this.

Uplift said,
Both consoles were rushed in my opinion... which is hilarious considering the amount of time they had to perfect them.

I agree, all this "this feature will be enabled with an update" bull is making it look like amateur hour at Sony and Microsoft.

I didn't really see my comments as a 'rant' against Microsoft - it was more to point out the reasons used by link8506 were complete nonsense! Like D.FIB3R says getting these consoles out of the door is a huge task, and I fully accept that the amount of features crammed into these next gen consoles must make them a massive amount of work to get out of the door. But to say that Microsoft didn't get the Xbox finished properly because they had to call on support from the development teams involved in Windows etc is just nonsense.

And contrary to what some people seem to think I'm not anti-Microsoft on the whole. I work professionally with Microsoft products every day. I just get frustrated seeing them release products I simply don't believe in, or taking directions that for me seem wrong. I look forward to Ballmer going, and seeing what sorts of new directions they end up taking.

Edited by zhangm, Dec 4 2013, 1:51pm :

Chicane-UK said,

There always has to be people apologising on behalf of Microsoft.. you have to laugh.

I get that feeling from this site too... however, MS had to rush like mad when people decided they didn't want a console version of Steam. They had to rework a lot of the design in a very short time period that affected a lot of the OS/UI.

Chicane-UK said,
I didn't really see my comments as a 'rant' against Microsoft - it was more to point out the reasons used by link8506 were complete nonsense! Like D.FIB3R says getting these consoles out of the door is a huge task, and I fully accept that the amount of features crammed into these next gen consoles must make them a massive amount of work to get out of the door. But to say that Microsoft didn't get the Xbox finished properly because they had to call on support from the development teams involved in Windows etc is just nonsense.

And contrary to what some people seem to think I'm not anti-Microsoft on the whole. I work professionally with Microsoft products every day. I just get frustrated seeing them release products I simply don't believe in, or taking directions that for me seem wrong. I look forward to Ballmer going, and seeing what sorts of new directions they end up taking.


I'd just put him on ignore if anything. You won't be missing much.

But seriously, I totally agree. It's a damn shame that Xbox fans can't even complain or give feedback regarding the system they USE due to... well, other Xbox fans. But that's just how Xbox people are I guess. /south-park-reference

I have a high standard for Microsoft, which is why I tend to be so critical. You better believe if I'm going to sell their products, I'm going to want to enjoy what I'm selling.

pratnala said,
#XboxFail

yeah right. Then buy a PS4, I heard the HDMI pass through and the voice recognition works better on that platform.... Oh wait!

link8506 said,

yeah right. Then buy a PS4, I heard the HDMI pass through and the voice recognition works better on that platform.... Oh wait!

HDMI pass through in the UK is totally screwed due to it being designed for 60Hz when we use 50Hz mostly

Overall the PS4 is doing better here although I would think that is mostly due to the price. Most friends have bought a PS4 for their kids as it is £80 cheaper (still a crazy amount to spend on your kid for Christmas IMHO)

InTheSwiss said,

HDMI pass through in the UK is totally screwed due to it being designed for 60Hz when we use 50Hz mostly

Overall the PS4 is doing better here although I would think that is mostly due to the price. Most friends have bought a PS4 for their kids as it is £80 cheaper (still a crazy amount to spend on your kid for Christmas IMHO)

This is fixable via a software update. Just like TV shows and other media made in in the us for 30 and 60fps, are converted to the silly European pal standards.

neonspark said,
This is fixable via a software update. Just like TV shows and other media made in in the us for 30 and 60fps, are converted to the silly European pal standards.

Please elaborate.

neonspark said,

This is fixable via a software update. Just like TV shows and other media made in in the us for 30 and 60fps, are converted to the silly European pal standards.

Yes it is fixable but it is annoying that it is even a problem. It makes it look like QA was really rushed and done half arsed seeing issues like this.

neonspark said,

Just like TV shows and other media made in in the us for 30 and 60fps, are converted to the silly European pal standards.

You mean the superior PAL standard that offered higher resolution (until HD arrived) and better colours than the inferior Yankeestan NTSC standard.

If you're reading this and live in the civilised world, have you ever wondered why older U.S TV shows always looked like blurry overly saturated ****? It's because of their inferior NTSC standard.

link8506 said,

yeah right. Then buy a PS4, I heard the HDMI pass through and the voice recognition works better on that platform.... Oh wait!


Not everyone cares about that.. A lot of people buy a console to play..video games.. shocking.. I know..

InTheSwiss said,

Overall the PS4 is doing better here although I would think that is mostly due to the price. Most friends have bought a PS4 for their kids as it is £80 cheaper (still a crazy amount to spend on your kid for Christmas IMHO)

Really? When I was a kid, Christmas was the only time I would expect the allowance to ask for a gift of up to $500. I'm in my 20s now and was considering asking my parents for $1500 for Google Glass. Maybe I don't have perspective because I was an only child and didn't really interact with other children except my cousins who essentially got the same stuff/values that I received.

fusi0n said,

Not everyone cares about that.. A lot of people buy a console to play..video games.. shocking.. I know..

Yeah, and that's exactly why I got an Xbox. There's a lot of good games for Xbox right now. KI 3 is so freaking good.

kaotic said,

Yeah, and that's exactly why I got an Xbox. There's a lot of good games for Xbox right now. KI 3 is so freaking good.


That's awesome.. But, a lot of people still don't really care about the HDMI passthrough.

Vonauda said,

Really? When I was a kid, Christmas was the only time I would expect the allowance to ask for a gift of up to $500. I'm in my 20s now and was considering asking my parents for $1500 for Google Glass. Maybe I don't have perspective because I was an only child and didn't really interact with other children except my cousins who essentially got the same stuff/values that I received.

You got that straight about not having a perspective. However, you should start learning since you are in your 20s now ...and I'm laying this to you in a nice way.

pratnala said,
#XboxFail

<.1% complaining if there's about a 1000 total..

Minor teething problems from the usual group of dumbnuts

paulheu said,

<.1% complaining if there's about a 1000 total..

Minor teething problems from the usual group of dumbnuts

But of course... dumbnuts....
It is thanks to apologists like you, regardless of what idol they worship, that nowadays companies, every ones, feel entitled to sell products that have issues

InTheSwiss said,
Yes it is fixable but it is annoying that it is even a problem. It makes it look like QA was really rushed and done half arsed seeing issues like this.

No... they did QA for the country that matters (USA). It's not our fault that backwaters places use non-standard refresh rates. Next time, use standards that matter. 'Murican standards.

wernercd said,

No... they did QA for the country that matters (USA). It's not our fault that backwaters places use non-standard refresh rates. Next time, use standards that matter. 'Murican standards.

Don't forget your /s tag.

fusi0n said,

Not everyone cares about that.. A lot of people buy a console to play..video games.. shocking.. I know..

While that maybe true in the 80s and 90s in todays standards we want and need products that do more. Let me ask do you have a cellphone that just makes calls...hmmm...probably not. I say its better to have the features than not to have them. As of now the PS4 is more of a feature cell and the X1 an early smartphone.

link8506 said,

yeah right. Then buy a PS4, I heard the HDMI pass through and the voice recognition works better on that platform.... Oh wait!

The problem with your statement is that PS4 users were not promised HDMI passthrough. The XBox One passthrough, at least for Europeans, is and will stay broken without an additional transformer. So those who paid more to get more are feeling a bit ripped off.

As for voice recognition, I own both consoles. Both have a ways to go. There's no "winner" here, as you implied.

Just stop your trolling. It adds zero value.

Vonauda said,

Really? When I was a kid, Christmas was the only time I would expect the allowance to ask for a gift of up to $500. I'm in my 20s now and was considering asking my parents for $1500 for Google Glass. Maybe I don't have perspective because I was an only child and didn't really interact with other children except my cousins who essentially got the same stuff/values that I received.

Lol really. At your age we long stopped giving expensive presents at each other. When I hear/read such stuff I can only shake my head of disbelief.

InTheSwiss said,

HDMI pass through in the UK is totally screwed due to it being designed for 60Hz when we use 50Hz mostly

Thing is i'm just not seeing this issue. I'm assuming the new Sky box pushes out at 60 or something because using the HDMI pass-through with it is causing 0 issues.

NoClipMode said,

If you're reading this and live in the civilised world, have you ever wondered why older U.S TV shows always looked like blurry overly saturated ****? It's because of their inferior NTSC standard.

Ít's been said that NTSC stands for "Never Twice the Same Colour"...

cantoris said,

Ít's been said that NTSC stands for "Never Twice the Same Colour"...

Yeah this is what gets me. NTSC was never a worthy opponent for PAL. Time looks back to fondly on it.

RommelS said,

You got that straight about not having a perspective. However, you should start learning since you are in your 20s now ...and I'm laying this to you in a nice way.

Well, the perspective that I had was other people at school who also all received the latest console, or whichever one they didn't have.

I don't see the problem with asking my dad for a loan to make a timed purchase. I didn't say I was asking for a $1500 Christmas gift.

typu said,

Lol really. At your age we long stopped giving expensive presents at each other. When I hear/read such stuff I can only shake my head of disbelief.

I haven't received a gift since I was 17. I was simply going to ask my dad for a loan to make a purchase which I only have a small window (as imposed by Google) to make.

Ha, yeah, I stopped asking for anything past gift cards by that time. I didn't even ask for those, unless pressed for an answer.

loans are not done for crapstuff (gadgets etc). loans should only be used for important, life affecting issues. but then again nowadays it's probably too much to ask that people earn and live with some standards.

NoClipMode said,

You mean the superior PAL standard that offered higher resolution (until HD arrived) and better colours than the inferior Yankeestan NTSC standard.

If you're reading this and live in the civilised world, have you ever wondered why older U.S TV shows always looked like blurry overly saturated ****? It's because of their inferior NTSC standard.


Dear god man, defensive and argumentative much? You didn't need to respond like that.

neonspark said,

This is fixable via a software update. Just like TV shows and other media made in in the us for 30 and 60fps, are converted to the silly European pal standards.

Silly EU PAL standards???? The PAL standard was produced after the US NTSC standard as an improvement. PAL has a higher resolution.

typu said,
loans are not done for crapstuff (gadgets etc). loans should only be used for important, life affecting issues. but then again nowadays it's probably too much to ask that people earn and live with some standards.

Following your guidelines the economies of Western Countries, US in primis, would collapse in a week.....

Vonauda said,

Really? When I was a kid, Christmas was the only time I would expect the allowance to ask for a gift of up to $500. I'm in my 20s now and was considering asking my parents for $1500 for Google Glass. Maybe I don't have perspective because I was an only child and didn't really interact with other children except my cousins who essentially got the same stuff/values that I received.

With that being said, you probably don't feel the $100 more for the XB1 is asking too much right. Because anyone that would pay 1500 for google glass; well...

Vonauda said,

Well, the perspective that I had was other people at school who also all received the latest console, or whichever one they didn't have.

I don't see the problem with asking my dad for a loan to make a timed purchase. I didn't say I was asking for a $1500 Christmas gift.

Sorry Bud, that is not an excuse. You lived it, and it is now time to earn your keep because your parents wouldn't be there for you all the time.

I guess it is just me, but I wouldn't borrow money to get a Google glass because I just want it. I would rather borrow the money for something more important - necessity. I guess that is what you call "priority."

Than again, it is your life.

a collapse is not equal to the end of the world

i work in banking, investement banking even, a collapse of the current system of debts would not be the worst in the long term. it will not go on forever anyways.