IDC: PC shipments down 13.9% for the first quarter, blames Windows 8

The research firm IDC posted a report in March, predicting that for the entire year of 2013, PC shipments worldwide would contract by 1.3 percent. Today, IDC issued their report on PC shipments for the first quarter of 2013 and the results were even worse than what the firm had expected.

IDC says that there were 76.3 million PC units shipped during the first three months of the year, which is 13.9 percent lower than the same period a year ago. IDC previously predicted first quarter 2013 PC shipments would go down but by just 7.7 percent.

What's the culprit? IDC points the finger squarely at Microsoft and the launch of Windows 8 as the main reason for the lower number of PC shipments. Part of the reason is that Windows 8 PCs with touchscreens and slim designs have been "hampered by traditional barriers of price and component supply." However, IDC says that the design of Windows 8 itself is also to blame.

Bob O'Donnell, IDC Program Vice President, Clients and Displays, states:

While some consumers appreciate the new form factors and touch capabilities of Windows 8, the radical changes to the UI, removal of the familiar Start button, and the costs associated with touch have made PCs a less attractive alternative to dedicated tablets and other competitive devices. Microsoft will have to make some very tough decisions moving forward if it wants to help reinvigorate the PC market.

IDC also says that the current restructuring issues that are affecting two of the major PC makers, HP and Dell, have not helped the PC market. Lenovo seems to be an exception, with IDC claiming that it "continues to execute on a solid 'attack' strategy." Microsoft is scheduled to reveal its first quarter 2013 financial results on Thursday, April 18th. Hopefully we should get some more color about Windows 8 sales at that time.

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Windows 8 it to blame 1000%, if the new Windows 8 came with improved desktop functionality that helps you achieve more, if the new Windows 8 came with small things here and there to make you happy, then you will eventually upgrade, or get new hardware.

Android is becoming better and better with every release, I can talk to my Nexus 4, that is damn cool, the UI improved a lot in Nexus 4, it got integrated to Plus in a good way, it got sooo many small improvements that make me just happy to want it and use it.

Windows 8 came as "my way, or the highway" and you know what, the highway has a lot of other better systems out there, yes the highway it is.

I got Samsung Chromebook, and I am just very happy, I am writing this from the Chromebook from outside on 3G (via phone) internet!

Edited by john.smith_2084, Apr 11 2013, 1:37pm :

The OS is nearly irrelevant. Here are two other scenarios:

#1 - MS doesn't release Windows 8 and is still rolling with Windows 7. IDC would say "Windows 7 is years old, becoming stagnate and thus sales are suffering.

#2 - MS releases Windows 8 but WITH the start menu and whatever else people moaned about. Sales are also down and IDC would say "Windows 8 is lackluster and doesn't differentiate from Windows 7 enough to justify buying it."

See I can make crap up too. The bottom line is that ALL PC SALES ARE DOWN. PCs last longer and only minimum upgrades are required to get more out of them. Oh well, IDC has to get paid somehow.

I can't help but wonder if the title had read "IDC: PC shipments up 13.9% for the first quarter, Windows 8 is the driving force" the same people making excuses would have been praising Microsoft and saying something like "People love Windows 8 even in a bad economy".

I got the Samsung chromebook, very light, very cheep, and has the glass interface that is better than aero, and it can do remote desktop to the home windows machine if needed, just beauty.

100% agree. It's because of this I am looking for something a little more expensive. $1,300 is too expensive for the Chromebook Pixel. Maybe a $600 with that much quality.

100% agree. It's because of this I am looking for something a little more expensive. $1,300 is too expensive for the Chromebook Pixel. Maybe a $600 with that much quality.

The pendulum swing of Windows operating systems (XP good, Vista bad, 7 good, 8 bad...) mixed with hardware requirements that have not increased since 2006 (Vista) would be a better explanation than iPads replacing a full PC. But that's just me.

The better explanation is that PCs get a lot more mileage these days. I'm sure that 8 puts some people off but the layman isn't on a site like this complaining about it. They walk into Best Buy and say " I need a computer " and walk out with one. They might request that 7 get put back on but the thing is, they bought a PC. That number is down and mostly due to the reason I mentioned. My own computer is 4+ years old. When I bought it I never DREAMED it'd last this long. Still kicking and still got plenty of power for me.

There are plenty of ways to get back what you lost with windows 8, several of the creations (such as the new start button) would of never come to light if it wasn't for the removal of certain features. Windows 8 is bringing innovation to the table, and with tiles its easier to match up per say.

There are several pros and several cons to Windows 8, and if you don't like it, you don't have to use it. You can't blame PC sales for one quarter on a new OS.

Windows 7 is still for sale, but according to the IDC all PC shipments are down, that would include all other OS'. That means nothing, its to be expected in the PC market. The market gets huge surges, because those who don't know much about technology don't know how fast the systems get outdated.

If you can go 5 years with a perfectly fine, semi-expensive product, then why would you go and buy a newer one a year later? Phones have contracts, which is why people buy new ones, and they have more advertising, due to more players in the market all trying to win.

Depending on what you use it for will also let you know how often you need to update it. Is it a gaming rig? You should update that with the advanced hardware more often, so you can keep up with other big and dedicated players. If your a writer, do you use it to make your books or articles? Then you don't need the newest things, the older versions work just fine.

Making assumptions without all factors are just that, assumptions. Until you have all the available information, you can't really pin a blame. It just happened to be that when Windows 8 came out a slow time happened to hit.

First off, comparing marketshare for Vista...which has been out since 2007 (see: 6 years ago) to a n operating system that *just* came out 5 months ago is beyond idiotic. I'm sorry.

As for the IDC report, those sales figures do *NOT* take into account tablet sales nor hybrid sales...both of which are big Windows 8 style products.

A lot of the article wants to point the blame at Windows 8. This is a contributing factor, but look at it that way, Windows ME and Vista both have/had some very serious negative feedback, did PC sales drop that much then because of word of mouth? However, many other factors play into this, mobile phones are on the rise, Dell/HP shakeup, poor PC designs, and the biggest thing of all, I think its partly due to less people needing to upgrade their current computer. PCs these days are not upgraded to new ones as often because the hardware specs are good enough now. This all can't be about Windows 8, Vista and ME were considered failers by many as well, look at the whole picture.

Windows 8 was not made in the mind of Desktops Computers but for touch-oriented devices.

The next OS for the Desktops could be the secret project Midori they working on as of 2003.
it contains a start button and also the startscreen and no longer based on the NT kernel.
Project Midori will be the real replacement for Windows 7 Power Desktop Users I do believe.

Windows 8 is a fail for desktop users if you like it or not.

Edited by Dutchman01, Apr 11 2013, 1:54am :

Still after so much time Microsoft failed to realize the total failure that Windows 8 is. They obviously went full retard with their tablet nonsense, and yet Windows 8 pundits/ms employees on this site will still praise their perfect flop OS which was essentially dead on arrival. The ms fanboy defense patrol went nuts, they apparently think that a PC needs a touch-oriented interface..

We're defending it because we know the desktop is going the way of the dinosaur. Not immediately mind you but its happening. Either MS moves forward with it or waits to die. What would you do? Win8 is not perfect but I understand where they're going with it and hope to see it improve over time. For those that don't like it, stick to Windows 7 and wait for the desktop die then switch over when your ready! You can try the Mac OS but I get the feeling that won't be sticking around long term either.

Microsoft is done for if they don't fix this ****. If I have to have a tablet OS on my desktop, I am going to go with Android, and I am not alone...

Microsoft, give me back my desktop OS, and I will be glad to buy Windows 9. It isn't JUST about the lack of freaking start button.

Yes..I didn't get a new computer because I upgraded my notebook and my desktop to windows 8 and they got a new lease on life since everything feels peppier. I'll replace them when they die. Certainly not replacing the notebook until stuff with Haswell comes out.

For desktop work, Windows 8 sucks. I know some folk think its great, but the company I work for always use the newest operating system, but there giving Windows 8 a miss as it no good for business desktop work. That's 15,000 licenses not bought. I hope someone from Microsoft listens to there customers. maybe if they listen, it wont be hurting there profit margin.

korupt_one said,
if you are doing business desktop work how is windows 8 any different from windows 7???? I smell horse **** in your comment.

You don't need to shell out for expensive solutions like acronis universal restore for a start

Please, what sucks so much about the desktop? What is different from Windows 7 really? A little ugly button is gone? (the clickable button is still in the same corner)That's it? What else please? Oh the in my opinion horrible resources wasting glass? Or the resources wasting rounded corners?
I use it exactly as I did on Windows 7.

NinjaGinger said,
For desktop work, Windows 8 sucks. I know some folk think its great, but the company I work for always use the newest operating system, but there giving Windows 8 a miss as it no good for business desktop work. That's 15,000 licenses not bought. I hope someone from Microsoft listens to there customers. maybe if they listen, it wont be hurting there profit margin.

My company was the same way too. Although they did also skip Vista. But they did go from Windows NT 4 to 2000 to XP and then to 7. IT said the same thing, Windows 8 is not good for desktops.

My client, the Port Authority of NY and NJ also is not go to Windows 8. They were holding off for Windows 8. We are still on Windows XP. They have evaluated Windows 8 and decided to also not install it. Instead, we are now being upgraded to Windows 7 in the coming weeks.

Microsoft probably used the same number to push the tablets.

what most people are forgetting is that more and more people are simply making their own desktop pcs or getting a local shop to do a custom build rather than going to dell and hp...

So yeh it appears Desktops are in decline when in actual fact they are probably more or less the same...
MS used these number to say well the desktop is in decline lets make a touch based os for tablets

and Pc makers are blaming this on win 8

its a a loop.

sunsetsnow said,
Macs dropped 7.5%. Is Windows 8 killing Apple too?

Apple Mac sales are dropping for the same reason that Microsoft PC sales are dropping -- they are trying to turn OSX into iOS. However, they don't have as big of a market share to begin with, so they can't fall as far....

runningnak3d said,

Apple Mac sales are dropping for the same reason that Microsoft PC sales are dropping -- they are trying to turn OSX into iOS. However, they don't have as big of a market share to begin with, so they can't fall as far....

If they are trying to turn OSX into iOS then they are doing a poor job of it.

runningnak3d said,
they are trying to turn OSX into iOS

Yeah ... that's bulls**t. If anything, Apple has done more in the area of working with Desktop apps (with features like Mission Control) than Microsoft have for years.

It's Microsoft that's turned their OS into a tablet OS.

Windows 8, microsofts biggest OS failure to date, even worse than Vista and ME, too bad it really didn't have to be that way but it is what it is folks.

I really don't understand how anyone can make this analogy. They are not the same at all.

Windows Vista prior to Service Pack 1 and Windows Search 4.0, was full of technical issues that made the usability experience completely broken in certain scenarios. Day 1, Windows Search was horribly slow and constantly re-indexed files which ate disk performance, SysPrep couldn't automatically join domains, and Vista was a slug even on great hardware for its day. Those who received Vista on poor quality hardware were in for nothing but pain.

Windows 8 barely contains any technical errors, and certainly none that come close to the usability issues within Vista. What it does do is bring a foundational presentation change, which requires less than 5-10 minutes of training an end-user to learn. Even though the new Metro/ModernUI presentation stage is very obviously feature incomplete, and a good built-in tutorial was missing, it is very surprisingly a sturdy v1.0 platform.

Now, many actual apps written for the Modern UI and included with Windows are obviously very immature… because it's a new platform. The user experience within most existing apps is far from complete… because it's a new platform. Most of the Windows 8 development cycle was on creating the platform, which had to be very complete before anyone could start writing complex apps for it. For a 1.0 platform, I never would have expected games as good as what were available at release or within a few months of release: Pinball FX 2 (with awesome tables available) Ilomilo, Pac-Man Championship Edition, Taptiles, Mahjong, Angry Birds (to a lesser extent as it's a simpler title), Spectral Souls, Blazblue (despite missing DLC and story mode), Hydro Thunder Hurricane, and lastly Skulls of the Shogun.

For a new platform with entirely a new presentation and app foundation, Windows 8 is much better than I've seen anyone give it credit for just because the production apps available day 1 were very lacking. Frankly judging any new platform in this regards before it's been out for a year is silly, because it has very little reflection on what games prove the platform is very obviously capable of producing.

Edited by ITFiend, Apr 11 2013, 1:49am :

ingramator said,
Please go troll somewhere else.

No, you leave. He happens to be 100% right and now the evidence is proving it so.

excalpius said,

No, you leave. He happens to be 100% right and now the evidence is proving it so.


How come Lenovo is doing great and Apple sales are down in similar fashion then?

Please elaborate.

The Windows 8 fans are going to find every excuse in the book to get attention away from Windows 8. I know quite a few people who normally buy PC's from big box stores and are in need of an upgrade. Why are holding off? Because they think Windows 8 sucks. If I didn't get Windows 8 for $14.99, I would still have Windows 7.

I know about 10 million PCs that were put on hold because of the Windows 8 debacle.

If MS doesn't fix this in the 8.1 release by this summer, MS will lose THIS coming Christmas sales season even worse than they did the last one.

Is Windows 8 responsible for Apples Mac sales going down too? And are Toshiba's and lenovos increasing sales for some other magical reason?

I think it is funny that no actual numbers from the report were posted in the article.

US Sales
1. HP -22.9%
2. Dell -14.4%
3. Apple -7.5%
4. Toshiba -5.2%
5. Lenovo +13.0%

Others -11.0%

Total -12.7%

So Apple's sales in the US were down 7.5% also due to Windows 8? While Lenovo saw a 13% increase selling Windows 8 computers and Toshiba only had a 5% decrease?

Last quarter, sales of Windows PC's costing more than $500 saw an increase in sales, while Apple saw a decrease. I wonder if this is still true this quarter? If so, then Windows 8 on the right hardware is doing OK. The problem is the loss of low end computer sales (netbooks) to tablets.

tboggs13 said,
I think it is funny that no actual numbers from the report were posted in the article.

US Sales
1. HP -22.9%
2. Dell -14.4%
3. Apple -7.5%
4. Toshiba -5.2%
5. Lenovo +13.0%

Others -11.0%

Total -12.7%

So Apple's sales in the US were down 7.5% also due to Windows 8? While Lenovo saw a 13% increase selling Windows 8 computers and Toshiba only had a 5% decrease?

Last quarter, sales of Windows PC's costing more than $500 saw an increase in sales, while Apple saw a decrease. I wonder if this is still true this quarter? If so, then Windows 8 on the right hardware is doing OK. The problem is the loss of low end computer sales (netbooks) to tablets.


Again Lenovo sales, Worldwide, were flat.

They are selling iPads and iPhones in droves, which are probably cannibalizing Mac sales. Unfortunately, the same can't be said for the 'Surface'.

excalpius said,
Apple's sales are down to the absence of Steve Jobs AND the recession.

Nope. Windows 8's fault. Also, Jobs died because of Windows 8, too.

I'm confused. Windows 8 is to blame for slow PC sales, but Lenovo isn't effected? Does Lenovo use some magical OS that I don't know about? Or is it something else.

Oh, what's that you say? Dell and HP, 2 of the largest PC manufacturers are going through restructuring and having internal problems, which would cause lower PC shipments?

Ahh, so it's the OS to blame. Makes sense.

greenwizard88 said,
I'm confused. Windows 8 is to blame for slow PC sales, but Lenovo isn't effected? Does Lenovo use some magical OS that I don't know about? Or is it something else.

Oh, what's that you say? Dell and HP, 2 of the largest PC manufacturers are going through restructuring and having internal problems, which would cause lower PC shipments?

Ahh, so it's the OS to blame. Makes sense.

Sales of Lenovo, Worldwide, remained the same of the previous period; this compared to other OEMs can be considered a success indeed. Said that it is also worth to note that Lenovo ThinkPad line, the business oriented one, is offered with W7, not W8.

Probably enterprises buying the machines and reinstalling Windows 7 on them. A lot of enterprises prefer lenovo laptops to those from other OEMs. Are there any stats that show what OS was installed on these Lenovo machines?

I can believe this (at least partially anyway). Had a friend who wanted a new PC, got one with windows 8 pre-loaded and hated it. She took it back and got her money back. Now she's out looking for a Windows 7 PC (doesn't shop online and its hard to find Win7 PCs in retail stores now). So as of now, that's one potential PC that never got sold.

HSoft said,
.....

Did you bother to explain downgrade rights to this 'friend'?
Or did this friend buy from an OEM who refused to honour the downgrade rights?

THolman said,
Sounds like your friend needs a Mac, rather than an aging Windows 7 machine. Current AND desktop-centric.
Aging Windows 7 machine? Windows 7 runs just as fast as 8 on new hardware. I am currently looking at both my gaming machines, one with 7 and one with 8. They both are equally fast. Windows 8 does not magically move at light speed.

I think you misunderstood - Windows 7 still works, certainly, but I just meant that it'll be in Windows XP's shoes sooner rather than later. I used 7 for years, and my experiences with it were, for the most part, good

THolman said,
I think you misunderstood - Windows 7 still works, certainly, but I just meant that it'll be in Windows XP's shoes sooner rather than later. I used 7 for years, and my experiences with it were, for the most part, good

So you honestly believe the latest and greatest technology is in Mountain Lion? If you think that for one minute then I am concerned, Windows 7 is far ahead of any OSX distribution...

They're both fine systems. I've spent tons of time on both (I'm on Mountain Lion right now). There's some great software that's exclusive to both. None of that changes the fact that Windows 7's mainstream support will end well into the lifespan of a new PC.

I'm running 8 on not just hardware that ran 7, but hardware largely designed for VISTA - not 7. Only the GPU (Visiontek AMD HD5450 iSilence) can be truthfully said to have been designed for Windows 7 - but the rest of the hardware? Vista-era. The motherboard, for example, uses Intel's G41 chipset (Eagle Lake) - released simultaneously with Vista's Service Pack 1. The CPU is Intel's Core 2 Quad Q6600 - another Vista-era classic. The RAM? DDR2 - two 2GB sticks of DDR2-800, for 4 GB total. However, this mostly-Vista-era desktop runs 8 Professional with Media Center (x64) sans quibbling. Of course I want to upgrade - however, it's because I want to do more with my hardware. NOT because I'm necessarily lacking in terms of what I did with Windows 7 on the same hardware, because I'm not, to put it bluntly. However, the big item I'll get FROM the upgrade is an outlier, even for most users of Windows 8 - Hyper-V (vastly improved OS virtualization). Where are Microsoft's ads featuring that? Those ads are aimed at corporate users, and corporate ENTERPRISE users, to be precise - for desktop users, it's not just an outlier, but a FAR outlier. Windows 7's mainstream support drops dead after 2020 - quite a far piece down the road. (At least seven YEARS down the road.) Therefore, for many reasons, why should users buy a new PC to run by and large the same software they have been running? Buying a new smartphone or tablet is far easier to justify - especially if part of the cost can be deferred or even eliminated with carrier/provider incentives, but mostly because the cost, even without a subsidy, is far less than a new PC. And you still have that PC to sync your phone or tablet with.

With the improvements in Hardware being made the last several years ppl don't need to upgrade as quickly as they use to. Demand will decrease for PC's but it will level off at some point and still sell solid numbers.

If you make good Hardware it'll sell (Lenovo).

This is reminicent of Vista but there is a major difference! When Vista was released, alot of hardware (pcs) were not ready. Now Windows 8 comes out, all hardware can run it, but alot of the hardware isnt optimized for Windows 8 yet such as touchscreens! I really dont understand the hype behind touchscreens anyways!

I use Windows 8 and spend all my time in desktop mode. The only thing I like about the Modern UI is mail notifications which I then use my browser and the Messaging app which needs a lot of improvement. The search feature is good, but would be better integrated into the desktop and native ISO mounting is nice too. Outside of that, they need to split these two environments if they want people to embrace it.

The numbers don't lie and don't give me that recession bull**** because it didn't affect Apple or a plethora of Android devices, namely Samsung. I realize these are not OSes, but it shows if people really like or want something, they will find the money for it.

ambiance said,
The numbers don't lie and don't give me that recession bull**** because it didn't affect Apple or a plethora of Android devices, namely Samsung. I realize these are not OSes, but it shows if people really like or want something, they will find the money for it.

Last I checked Mac sales aren't too hot and before those even come close to PC sales hell will freeze over. Bringing up a compare between a PC OS and a mobile one is just plain silly and laughable. Also many people worldwide buy their phones on credit using their carriers contract subsidies. If broadband ISP started giving away new powerful PCs on a two year contract things would be quite different.

ambiance said,
The numbers don't lie

Statistically, numbers can lie in whatever way a human wants to interpret or present them. In the tech world, Apple has been the greatest master at manipulating statistics to suite their viewpoint. Everyone does it, which is why interpretation can be difficult.

paulheu said,

Last I checked Mac sales aren't too hot and before those even come close to PC sales hell will freeze over. Bringing up a compare between a PC OS and a mobile one is just plain silly and laughable. Also many people worldwide buy their phones on credit using their carriers contract subsidies. If broadband ISP started giving away new powerful PCs on a two year contract things would be quite different.

Correct. Mac sales have pretty much crashed and have been on the decline for the last 5 or so years. Are we to attribute the loss in sales to Lion and Mountain Lion? Apple have pretty much said that they don't care for the Mac line anymore its all in "the post-PC world". Will be interesting to see what they do seeing as though iOS market share is falling to Android at an increasing rate.

No, Apple's DESKTOP sales have crashed. People are buying the rest of Apple's product line by the zillions...including Mac laptops, which is what a lot of people (especially teen to college aged) are replacing their desktops with.

Really, comparing mobile devices? You get an free iPad or Galaxy tab with every contract you sign, be it school, your internet provider, cable television... I've seen companies handing them out at presentations for free.
Also these devices are often on a contract and 'free'. People get them allot easier. Let people pay full price of an iPad/iPhone and Android tablet/phone up front directly, and I'm absolutely positive the sales numbers would be 3/4th lower then they currently are.

Could it be, perhaps, just perhaps, that Win8 runs just fine on older Win7 hardware? That would explain decent sales of Win8 and also explain lower sales of new hardware. I put Win8 on two machines at home, one a 3-year old laptop, and the other a 3.5 year old desktop. Both run Win8 just fine - the laptop better than Win7.

As a result, two less machines that would have otherwise been purchased in my household.

I don't doubt the IDC numbers, but I do not agree with their causation theory.

JHBrown said,
Please show me these decent sales numbers. I would call the sales numbers I've seen mediocre.

Windows 8 launch period, they outsold every OS in frigging history, and OSX's and Linux' sales of their entire life times combined, yet you call it mediocore? 40million sales by the end of November, not even counting their Enterprise sales.....

No, Microsoft failed because the percentages are lower and slower, people do seem to forget that the Computer market is allot bigger then it was. And that the PC market isn't growing like it was in Windows 7 days, partially due to a shift to mobile devices.
Allot of people don't upgrade their OS on their systems, they will get a new OS whenever they purchase a new system.

So I hear this doesn't take into account Windows 8 devices with detachable keyboards, so the majority of Windows 8 devices? Why wouldn't my hybrid x86 Samsung tablet be counted?

It seems to me like these numbers are skewed just like the silly Gartner report a few days ago.

Sorry but there are quite a few Windows 7 machines out there still, the planet's economy is collapsing and lets face it, tablets are the cool and in right now. Also, if its Windows 8 to blame - which could be to some extend - why is Lenovo doing so well? I will tell you why, quality and value for money. Also, anyone who isn't a geek but got a win8 pc/laptop appear to be enjoying it in my experience.

sure IDC,blame it on windows 8.how convenient. If anyone bothers to check, most of this is caused by the economic problems happening in china, and china accounts for %21 of PC sales. Isnt that why its forecasted that the second half of 2013,pc sales are going back up? In fact, the 2nd quarter is only forecaseted to drop mid single digits, then the trend continues up back to positive. Im just putting this out there so people can go check.

Horsepuckey. IDC - like most analysts that have been covering the downturn of PC shipments - took the least-resisted route and shot Microsoft for daring to push the envelope during a down economy. If you can't push the envelope during a shift in the economy - in either direction - when CAN you? Doing nothing makes even LESS sense - doing nothing would enable the tablet OSes (Google and iOS) to eat Windows' lunch from underneath, which they had ALREADY started to do; so says IDC. Why is doing nothing a good idea?

ingramator said,
I would love IDC to explain to us why Mac saled have absolutely crashed over the last 3 years. Was it Lion or Mountain Lions fault?

The loss of Steve Jobs and the trend of OS X desktop users back to Windows 7 (which was HUGE). Now the migration is going the other way, but former Windows users are buying Mac LAPTOPS as their new desktops.

ingramator said,
I would love IDC to explain to us why Mac saled have absolutely crashed over the last 3 years. Was it Lion or Mountain Lions fault?

Did you read the IDC statement? They stated that the iPad is cannibalizing sales of "regular" devices.
Personally I do not use an iPad but my daughter does and I fail to understand how an iPad can be a replacement for a "regular" PC. Anyway this is what IDC said.

I will always go back to the Windows 95 release campaign as it "changed" the user interface.It was huge.

Why is Microsoft so against a huge campaign for Windows 8? that was such a huge change it would be required to introduce people to the new windows user interface.

anyway... let the gladiator games commence! ZipZapRap, pass the popcorn bro...

Microsoft knows why consumers and business users aren't adopting Windows 8 on the desktop. They've known about since before the showed the previews and betas to the public.

Why they won't fix the problem is beyond me now. OEMS are screaming for the fixes, consumers and business users are staying away in droves, reviews are universally bad to so-so...what more evidence do they need?

If they would have just allowed a PC desktop to choose between boot to the Start Screen or straight to the desktop, most users would have gotten used to the idea that the Start Screen as a replacement for the Start menu and all would be well.

It's just INSANE at this point. Is Microsoft's endgame to have Apple buy them for cash?

excalpius said,
Microsoft knows why consumers and business users aren't adopting Windows 8 on the desktop. They've known about since before the showed the previews and betas to the public.

Why they won't fix the problem is beyond me now. OEMS are screaming for the fixes, consumers and business users are staying away in droves, reviews are universally bad to so-so...what more evidence do they need?

If they would have just allowed a PC desktop to choose between boot to the Start Screen or straight to the desktop, most users would have gotten used to the idea that the Start Screen as a replacement for the Start menu and all would be well.

It's just INSANE at this point. Is Microsoft's endgame to have Apple buy them for cash?


Only reason OEMs are screaming for fixes, is because of people like you who are spamming threads like this and the entire internet with "WINDOWS 8 SUCKS" while having no clue what the hell you are talking about.

The changes are much, much less radical then from MSDOS to Windows 1/2/3 or from 3.11 to 95.
Mainly because THE DESKTOP IS STILL INTACT. The button is gone, few new features are added (please take good note of the word added) and the Start menu has been combined with the Desktop into a Start Screen (Both functionalities have been with us on Windows for almost 2 decades now, and the only thing they basically did... is combine it).

Get it through your thick skull and thousands of haters like you. The only thing the haters do is cause a new XP Era but with Windows 7.
Windows 7 is fine now, XP was still quite fine shortly after release of Vista... But look at it now.

SO sales are down because it was predicted long before Win8 was even announced, because of component supply, because of price, because of HP and Dell restructuring their companies, but that is Microsoft's fault. Oh, and Lenovo is growing their sales with Win8, despite the supposedly market destroying Win8.

SoylentG said,
SO sales are down because it was predicted long before Win8 was even announced, because of component supply, because of price, because of HP and Dell restructuring their companies, but that is Microsoft's fault. Oh, and Lenovo is growing their sales with Win8, despite the supposedly market destroying Win8.

What components are in short supply. The touchscreen panels bottle neck has been unclogged.

efjay said,
Lenovo can bend time and space, apparently.

Probably due to their heavy advertising of their three-in-one PC. Seriously, here in the UK, their ads are everywhere. Worked for Samsung.

Ouch, that said I know a lot of people putting off purchases waiting for newer and bit cheaper hardware. With some of the stuff on the horizon and the dying of Windows XP should see this turn around at least a bit.

But the truth of the matter is that PCs just last forever now. I know ton's of people that bought $400 laptops around the launch of Windows 7 and those machines are still working great. Phones have much shorter lifespan and people are buying them every year or two when their contracts run out.

If the device will be used for more than media consumption, I expect purchases are frozen in a lot of enterprise environments until the new mobile Haswell chip is out. I don't know the level of demand out there in the global market, but I know that right now my business stopped replacing mobile workstations without an immediate need 5 months ago specifically because of Haswell.

Mind you, I am referring to large bulk purchases of replacement devices.

And that operative word is very much *cheaper hardware* - especially touch-screen hardware (of every size). Windows 8 supports touch-screens better than Windows 7 - that's not disputed, even by 8's critics. However (and this is important), touch-screen technology still commands a not-insignificant premium over non-touch-screen technology of the same screen size - this is whether it comes with a new PC or not. Otherwise (due to the advertising for Windows 8 - print and otherwise - which focusses heavily on the touch-screen aspects) Windows 8 is not exactly an easy sell. I run Windows 8 on the SAME computer that ran 7 - so can almost everyone else on Neowin. However, that requires spending money on an OS upgrade - and that obstacle is MUCH harder to overcome in a still-sluggish economy. It''s far easier to justify standing pat than spending money in a poor economy - hence the straw-grasping by IDC, Gartner, et. alia. Never mind that Windows 8 is outstripping even 7's upgrade rate - despite the poor economy. It's new PCs that define (typically) how new versions of Windows are doing in the economy.