IDC: Windows 8 will be "largely irrelevant" to PC users

The research group IDC is making some predictions for what will happen in 2012 in various industries. ZDNet.com reports that in a new paper called "Worldwide System Infrastructure Software 2012 Top 10 Predictions." IDC has some mixed predictions about how Microsoft's Windows 8 operating system will do once it is released.

The good news is that IDC is predicting that Microsoft will be able to get Windows 8 ready to be put inside new PCs by August 2012. However, it adds, "Windows 8 will be largely irrelevant to the users of traditional PCs, and we expect effectively no upgrade activity from Windows 7 to Windows 8 in that form factor."

And what about the tablet market, which Microsoft is trying to break into via Windows 8's Metro touch screen interface? IDC says that for 2012 the tablet business will be "disappointing" for Microsoft. It adds, "This is a tall order for Microsoft, and while the x86 tablet strategy makes sense as a transitional solution for today’s PC users, it will be the ARM-based devices that need to shine and clear a high bar already set by Apple."

On the other hand, IDC is apparently very optimistic about Microsoft's prospects for Windows Server 8, although the story didn't go into any detail as to why the company is bullish on this aspect of the OS.

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Having looked at Windows 8 on my virtual machines, I have little interest in using Windows 8, especially in the Metro interface. It's likely Windows 7 will have the longevity of XP on the desktop platform.

Voice of Buddy Christ said,
Having looked at Windows 8 on my virtual machines, I have little interest in using Windows 8, especially in the Metro interface. It's likely Windows 7 will have the longevity of XP on the desktop platform.

Win8 DP Metro doesn't even work in a VM right now. Stop trolling!

KingCrimson said,

Win8 DP Metro doesn't even work in a VM right now. Stop trolling!

It works! And for a traditional desktop it sucks! It is utterly different to classic desktop computing and it will take a lot to convince a traditional desktop user to give up for that.
Of course there are options to get directly to the desktop and hopefully this will save things up for everybody.

I've been saying this from the very start. While I like Metro on touch input devices it makes no sense whatsoever to slap it onto the desktop version of the OS as well.

.Neo said,
I've been saying this from the very start. While I like Metro on touch input devices it makes no sense whatsoever to slap it onto the desktop version of the OS as well.

Until you see the Beta, withhold judgement. I'm sure that plenty of internal MSFT people have expressed their reservations on the desktop UX.

I don't see any difference from opening the start menu and opening the new menu... it is the same thing only in a different UI. "Old windows" is always there... get a life.

And they may be right. Windows users didn't ask Microsoft to re-imagine desktop Windows, did they ask us before doing that? Falling for tablet craze and Metro mania is one thing but making the desktop take a back seat is another.

Considering the Developer preview was downloaded 2Million times in the first 24hours of availability means someone is looking seriously at Windows 8.

For everyone here who gets it, good for you.

For the rest, you have to understand the new look delivers new capabilities. Once you have these capabilities (Apps) on one device, you'll want them on all microsoft devices. Personally I'll be happy when the PC is as easy to use as my phone is today, and I've been on the windows platform since Windows 3.0.

Every generation has tried to make the system run better, more secure, with simpler UI. A whole new paradigm like Metro is in order. Abstract away what those of us 'with decades of experience' hold in such high regard, and give us devices that will let us focus on the data the user and the experience.

For far too long we 'experts' have been relied upon by our families, friends and loved ones to fix their PCs when issues arise.

Some get fed up and tell the people they no longer want to support to get a mac because they're easier.

I look forward to the day when I can tell my loved ones to 'Upgrade to Windows 8', it's easier than a mac.

dotf said,
Once you have these capabilities (Apps) on one device, you'll want them on all microsoft devices. Personally I'll be happy when the PC is as easy to use as my phone is today, and I've been on the windows platform since Windows 3.0.

It's funny how everyone is trying to educate those that are not suckered into Metro…
BTW: Bjarne Stroustrup: "I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. "

dotf said,

For far too long we 'experts' have been relied upon by our families, friends and loved ones to fix their PCs when issues arise.

So you think there will never be problems in W8, good luck with that…

These people are crazy.
They think windows 8 is only going to be about Metro UI? There are heaps of changes underneath!!! Which will make life easier for so many power users. These people have no idea at all. And that metro UI is going to show its power once apps start to show. The whole Idea needs to be very powerful to succeed and thats what microsoft is working on. Those apps will be very powerful for the feature set they can present. Live updates (notifications, updating, linking to the rest of the OS features). These tools can be used to create awesome apps!.

And its not even Beta yet. We havent fully seen the design of the old UI. Aero will change a little too. or totally. But it will change. Right now its just code and old graphics. So give it atleast 6 more months. And they also dont get the bigger picture these people. With Windows 8 microsoft is giving THEMSELVES confidence to go ahead and change how PCs are used till win9 hits.!! and they hope to combine all their products under one OS. These are very big and risky decisions MS is taking. And they deserve an applause. Unlike Apple who had a hit with the iphone. And they expanded the same OS over the iPad. and is trying to make OSX look like it too. Atleast MS is developing a different platform for tablets and still keeping the poweruser features.

I love how people only think of the UI as the only features. "I don't like the Metro UI so I won't spend the money to upgrade to features I don't need... blah blah." Here is a simple one, what about booting from a drive larger than 2TB? There is a LOT under the hood for this release where it should be a MUST have for PC users. When people don't upgrade you are slowing down progress. Here is where I like Apple's stance "Upgrade your stuff or that shiny new App you want, won't work."

EmbraceNext said,
I love how people only think of the UI as the only features. "I don't like the Metro UI so I won't spend the money to upgrade to features I don't need... blah blah." Here is a simple one, what about booting from a drive larger than 2TB? There is a LOT under the hood for this release where it should be a MUST have for PC users. When people don't upgrade you are slowing down progress. Here is where I like Apple's stance "Upgrade your stuff or that shiny new App you want, won't work."

I dislike Metro being default, but even if it is, I will upgrade, especially since I get my licenses for free from my University. If they weren't free, I would probably only upgrade my desktop and laptop.

EmbraceNext said,
Here is a simple one, what about booting from a drive larger than 2TB?
That really will be relevant with current SSD prices /s.

Are you people serious? The software isn't even in beta yet and there is much talk about how hated the metro UI is and how useless it will be on desktops/laptops. Give it time, I'm sure you'll have the "choice" of UIs you seek so much...oh wait...its already in there. As for Metro, I think it's definitely a move in the right direction. We all have been stuck on the "static icon" desktop for so many years that as soon as something new comes along we look to kill it before we understand how useful it really can be. The WP7 and W8 live tiles give you information at a glance and keeps that information as up-to-date as possible. How can anyone hate the information you would go looking for anyway being brought to you. It's like W8 being your personal information butler...just he's one step ahead of you. If Apple had come up with the concept of live tiles or the Metro UI then people would think its the next best thing to sliced bread and wonder how they ever lived without it.

Sounds like a disaster brewing for Microsoft. Nobody will upgrade to Windows 8 on a PC and nobody buys tablets except for iPad/Fire.

KingCrimson said,
Sounds like a disaster brewing for Microsoft. Nobody will upgrade to Windows 8 on a PC and nobody buys tablets except for iPad/Fire.

not to mention that the Fire sells like hot cake due to it's low price only…

KingCrimson said,
nobody buys tablets except for iPad/Fire.

So, you're saying that they're will never be, in the history of the world, a tablet that will be successful that isn't the iPad or Kindle Fire. *cough*Nook Tablet? xD *cough* Also, must I mention that Windows 8 is an operating system, not a tablet, & I'm just betting you that some hackers gonaa find a way to install it on both devices, if it won't be able to already thanks to the ARM version.

I said as much after trying out the dev preview myself and listening to what Microsoft had to say about it.

I hope I'm wrong because it looks like there are a few real nice updates in it, one being the folder management (in Explorer). I'm sure someone will go to great lengths to make a TweakUI that makes the upgrade from Windows 7 worthwhile for PC users if Microsoft doesn't anyway.

I don't see what's so great about the Metro interface. Seems like a step in the wrong direction UI wise. As far as the rest of the OS, I'm kind of excited about it. Aside from iOS devices, Mac is seeing less and less use in my house.

Windows 8 on a desktop PC with a nice touchscreen, problem solved.

Windows 8 on a laptop with a nice touchscreen, problem solved.

Technology evolve, things change. Touch (or Kinect) will be everywhere.

TruckWEB said,
Windows 8 on a desktop PC with a nice touchscreen, problem solved.

Yeah, I'd like to reach for my monitor every freaking time I want to do something…

I tend to agree though I don't think it'll be that bad. There's no compelling reason to upgrade for most existing users of 7 - according to W3School stats that's already 44% of the user base. There are still 33% of users running XP who will have to jump ship - a certain percentage of those are corporate users in the process of a 7 rollout already (a slow and painful process). Then you have new PC sales as of 2012... So definitely not as big of a hit as 7 but still I'd say at least 25-30% windows market share by end of 2013. Let's wait and see.

I'll find out for myself whether it's good or not when it goes to retail, just not activate it unless I like it enough to buy.

I don't need someones useless nonsense comments telling me whats best for myself as for things like this it's very difficult to say whether or not you personally enjoy the experience of an OS. Especially if you're an experienced user.

I think Windows 8 will be a hit on mobile devices but most desktop users won't feel the need to upgrade until Windows 9. I'm thinking the next-gen Xbox will have Win9 core and hopefully a new DirectX and that will be the driving force behind sales for Win9 desktop (fully realized unification of OS, refining Win8 ideas, etc). I'll upgrade to Windows 8 on my laptop first and if I like it eventually push it onto my work machine but I'm banking on Windows 9 more than anything.

Does IDC stand for I Dont Care?? these stupid predictions are way off...wdp is fine on a laptop - i use it in vm player & the interface is perfectly functional on a non-touchscreen formfactor

It amazes me how many people see Metro Live Tiles and think of them as just a way to launch applications. The truth is that they are alive with useful information, and so much more than just icons.

Maybe we've all been arranging and clicking icons on the desktop for too long, and need to rethink our expectations of what the desktop really should be.

ironcladlou said,
...

Exactly.
Not to mention that what the tiles launch are a platform seperate from the windows people know and use today.

A new system of allowing applications to share data, as well as surface information to a global search.

The Apps that will be made to run in the metro experience will rival anything on the traditional desktop today.
Why do I think this will be useful on desktops? Because it simplifies everything. Developers have a simpler interaction model that doesn't require learning a whole bunch of APIs from another vendor just to get your product to integrate and share data.

End users don't have to worry so much about the pains of navigating the filesystem to accomplish tasks like uploading pictures to Facebook.

And there are a whole slew of new opportunities yet to be realized based on this new app model.

People will begin to prefer Apps to Applications, Metro to the current Desktop, and laugh about the days before windows grew up and became the OS for the average man.

ironcladlou said,
...

I agree. It seems way too early to tell when there hasn't even been a beta yet. Many people in general are resistant to changes, and I'd like to gander many will consider pretty much any major cosmetic changes to be negative.

There are also many people that haven't used it, or have used it with animosity in mind to find flaws, rather than a balance of pros and cons. Or some just don't like the idea of Microsoft succeeding for various reasons. There are issues I can reasonably see with putting Metro front and center for the Start screen, but I think when people get used to it as they did with Vista and Windows 7, it will just be the norm.

I think they are wrong and windows 8 will be a great os for users. First of all if we look at the trends everything is going towards tablet based computing and hybrid tablets. Secondly, Kinect for windows will solve desktop home Users issue and give them xbox like interaction which is cool. Thirdly for enterprise I think they will somehow fing a work around disabling metro UI or optional startmenu switch in final build

BigBoy said,
I predict that this IDC prediction will be largely irrelevant to people on planet Earth.

I predict that your prediction of the IDC prediction will be largely irrelevant to people on planet earth

For those who dislike the whole start screen idea, there's a whole lot more to Windows 8 that makes it worth it. And you can disable the start screen if you so wish. I feel that 8 will do ok in terms of sales, maybe not as well as 7 though.

Panda X said,
For those who dislike the whole start screen idea, there's a whole lot more to Windows 8 that makes it worth it. And you can disable the start screen if you so wish. I feel that 8 will do ok in terms of sales, maybe not as well as 7 though.

I think it'll sell more than Windows 7 because it'll also sell well on tablets which 7 doesn't. You're looking at PC+ tablet sales as appose to just PC sales.

yowan said,
Who would use a Touch Screen interface on a PC? Makes no sense at all. A PC isn't a tablet.

I use an HP touchsmart tabletop touchscreen PC running windows 7 with touch to navigate and voice dictation, built into the OS.

smooth3006 said,
in w8 current state i totally agree with this story. IMO metro has got to go on anything but tablets.

If Microsoft enable Kinect on Windows 8 then Metro will work without using a mouse and keyboard.

smooth3006 said,
in w8 current state i totally agree with this story. IMO metro has got to go on anything but tablets.

I totally agree with you. While Metro look and work great for a tablet workflow, it just doesn't work at all on the desktop. I really hope Microsoft will reconsider their approach for the desktop and keep it in-line with what they did for Windows 7

djesteban said,

I totally agree with you. While Metro look and work great for a tablet workflow, it just doesn't work at all on the desktop. I really hope Microsoft will reconsider their approach for the desktop and keep it in-line with what they did for Windows 7

I don't understand this, "it doesn't work at all on the desktop" bit, it's got the desktop right there, if that's what you want to use you can still use it, the start screen is to start apps first and foremost. Everything you can do with the start menu you can do with the start screen plus more.

GP007 said,

the start screen is to start apps first and foremost. Everything you can do with the start menu you can do with the start screen plus more.

But opposed to the start menu the start screen is highly distracting. I don't know how you operate your system, but I'm quite often reading in one window, whilst writing in another. Tell me how I can keep up with the channel I'm following while starting a new application in W8! In W7 I just look at the IM whilst touch typing in the start menu search box; how am I gonna do that on W8? As soon as I touch the Win-key I'm thrown into a completely different UI, that doesn't fit any other program on my PC and can't follow the conversations anymore…

MFH said,

But opposed to the start menu the start screen is highly distracting. I don't know how you operate your system, but I'm quite often reading in one window, whilst writing in another. Tell me how I can keep up with the channel I'm following while starting a new application in W8! In W7 I just look at the IM whilst touch typing in the start menu search box; how am I gonna do that on W8? As soon as I touch the Win-key I'm thrown into a completely different UI, that doesn't fit any other program on my PC and can't follow the conversations anymore…

This.

The start screen is both jarring and a waste of resources, I do not need to be punched in the face with a fullscreen transition just to type a few letters to search and hit enter.

What is even better, from what I've heard; now you have to enter even more keystrokes to get to the search to begin with. Lovely.

Estienne Taylor said,

If Microsoft enable Kinect on Windows 8 then Metro will work without using a mouse and keyboard.


Something tells me that's what the Kinect that's specifically designed for Windows they're making is for.

Estienne Taylor said,

If Microsoft enable Kinect on Windows 8 then Metro will work without using a mouse and keyboard.

I am not sure I would like to move my hands in the air for 8 hours in the office.

Besides what do you plan to use to replace the keyboard?

MFH said,

But opposed to the start menu the start screen is highly distracting. I don't know how you operate your system, but I'm quite often reading in one window, whilst writing in another. Tell me how I can keep up with the channel I'm following while starting a new application in W8! In W7 I just look at the IM whilst touch typing in the start menu search box; how am I gonna do that on W8? As soon as I touch the Win-key I'm thrown into a completely different UI, that doesn't fit any other program on my PC and can't follow the conversations anymore…

Really? That's your problem? How long does it take you to hit winkey and touch type then hit enter to start the app? All of that is still the same with the start screen. So how long is it? 10sec? You mean you can't go back to your desktop windows after that short period of time or something?

GP007 said,

Really? That's your problem? How long does it take you to hit winkey and touch type then hit enter to start the app? All of that is still the same with the start screen. So how long is it? 10sec? You mean you can't go back to your desktop windows after that short period of time or something?


Not to mention that with Metro I can't use more than 2 programs at the same time…

Athernar said,

What is even better, from what I've heard; now you have to enter even more keystrokes to get to the search to begin with. Lovely.

The key part here is "from what I've heard". This once again proves that ignorance is the biggest problem with trolls like you. In reality you just press start and type.

Coi said,

The key part here is "from what I've heard". This once again proves that ignorance is the biggest problem with trolls like you. In reality you just press start and type.

Actually it is: Press Start/Press Search/Type .................

Fritzly said,

Actually it is: Press Start/Press Search/Type .................

Since when? The DP has always let you just hit winkey and start typing right away, the only time you'd hit search was if you wanted to search something OTHER than the installed programs, like photos, music etc.

Fritzly said,

Actually it is: Press Start/Press Search/Type .................


Try it out for yourself first, ignorant troll. Get your facts right. Seriously.

Coi said,

Try it out for yourself first, ignorant troll. Get your facts right. Seriously.

Rustica progenies semper villana fuit................

Your reply perfectly portrait what, note that I said what and not who, you are......

GP007 said,

Since when? The DP has always let you just hit winkey and start typing right away, the only time you'd hit search was if you wanted to search something OTHER than the installed programs, like photos, music etc.

Not here........ If I am in the "Desktop" view hitting the Windows key take me back to the "Start" screen, if I am already there pressing the Windows key take me to the "Desktop" view.

So far, what I've seen of Windows 8 is even less interesting than a return to Windows ME. Have the Dev Preview, and having brought it up since a week after it was released. It's a PITA to use on a non-touchscreen machine. And yes, I know there will be (and have been) MANY enhancements before the beta, and before RTM, but so far, nothing I've seen makes me want to dump Windows 7, and that surprises me because I usually like to stay current.

I think Metro is ugly. Sorry, fans, but it is simply ugly. Looks very dated to my eyes. That's why after years of using WinMo, I went to an Android phone instead of a WP7 device. My boss has a WP7 device and every time I look at it, I think "Ugh!"

I'm trying to keep an open mind, but every time I see something new on the topic, I am put off.

SoCalRox said,
So far, what I've seen of Windows 8 is even less interesting than a return to Windows ME. Have the Dev Preview, and having brought it up since a week after it was released. It's a PITA to use on a non-touchscreen machine. And yes, I know there will be (and have been) MANY enhancements before the beta, and before RTM, but so far, nothing I've seen makes me want to dump Windows 7, and that surprises me because I usually like to stay current.

I think Metro is ugly. Sorry, fans, but it is simply ugly. Looks very dated to my eyes. That's why after years of using WinMo, I went to an Android phone instead of a WP7 device. My boss has a WP7 device and every time I look at it, I think "Ugh!"

I'm trying to keep an open mind, but every time I see something new on the topic, I am put off.

Get ready to be mobbed by a hoard of drooling fanboys that can't do anything more than spout the same old tired excuses.

Athernar said,

Get ready to be mobbed by a hoard of drooling fanboys that can't do anything more than spout the same old tired excuses.

Yes, because anyone who doesn't agree with a anti-MS, anti-W8 or anti-Metro UI stance is a fanboy for sure.

GP007 said,

Yes, because anyone who doesn't agree with a anti-MS, anti-W8 or anti-Metro UI stance is a fanboy for sure.


Actually there is kind of a sentiment that all these W8-hailers share… Every freaking time you bring up the productivity topic they claim that W8 will be as productive as W7 - even though it will throw you into Metro a whole lot of times… Honestly if I only wanted a media device, I would have bought an iPad already, as no other manufacturer has managed to really compete with them - and by the way I'm a big Microsoft fanboy, but I don't buy their junk…

GP007 said,

Yes, because anyone who doesn't agree with a anti-MS, anti-W8 or anti-Metro UI stance is a fanboy for sure.

Then why do MSFT Defence-force shills feel the need to tirelessly decry any form of criticism against their beloved deity?

I bought Vista on release, and I bought 7 on release. I enjoyed both. But now with the Windows 8 era, say you think Metro is bad and you'll be accused of genocide and pedophilia.

Steve Jobs is dead, and with his passing the reality distortion field has moved to the new cult of microsoft it seems.

SoCalRox said,
So far, what I've seen of Windows 8 is even less interesting than a return to Windows ME. Have the Dev Preview, and having brought it up since a week after it was released. It's a PITA to use on a non-touchscreen machine. And yes, I know there will be (and have been) MANY enhancements before the beta, and before RTM, but so far, nothing I've seen makes me want to dump Windows 7, and that surprises me because I usually like to stay current.

I think Metro is ugly. Sorry, fans, but it is simply ugly. Looks very dated to my eyes. That's why after years of using WinMo, I went to an Android phone instead of a WP7 device. My boss has a WP7 device and every time I look at it, I think "Ugh!"

I'm trying to keep an open mind, but every time I see something new on the topic, I am put off.

I have an Android phone myself but after seeing a few demo's of WP and its live tiles I certainly don't think it looks bad. It's an original concept rather than icons all over your screen.

Athernar said,

Get ready to be mobbed by a hoard of drooling fanboys that can't do anything more than spout the same old tired excuses.

You just go take your pills.

Athernar said,

Then why do MSFT Defence-force shills feel the need to tirelessly decry any form of criticism against their beloved deity?

I bought Vista on release, and I bought 7 on release. I enjoyed both. But now with the Windows 8 era, say you think Metro is bad and you'll be accused of genocide and pedophilia.

Steve Jobs is dead, and with his passing the reality distortion field has moved to the new cult of microsoft it seems.

Right back at you, why do anti-MS shills feel the need to tirelessly jump into every MS news post or thread to repeat the same tired arguments or just call something crap?

I for one don't care about Android or iOS/Apple so I don't jump into those threads/news posts to moan about how everything is crap. All I see from some is "it sucks I don't like it and anyone who does is a MS fanboy!" Great, that's very helpful.

It hurts me seeing how many people don't realize Windows 8 is still in Alpha and they seem to be experimenting with a lot of things on the desktop side. It's quite funny to read comments on YouTube of people who say Windows 8 sucks and is "a pain to use" while it's still so early and they probably haven't even used the Developer Preview.

Just give Microsoft some time until all of the UI stuff is finalized and the real Windows 8 applications start to surface. All of the comparisions and speculations mean nothing at the moment.

SekaiStory said,
It hurts me seeing how many people don't realize Windows 8 is still in Alpha and they seem to be experimenting with a lot of things on the desktop side. It's quite funny to read comments on YouTube of people who say Windows 8 sucks and is "a pain to use" while it's still so early and they probably haven't even used the Developer Preview.

Just give Microsoft some time until all of the UI stuff is finalized and the real Windows 8 applications start to surface. All of the comparisions and speculations mean nothing at the moment.

Yet, those same people would complain about not getting a preview/beta if MS decided to go in house with the again.

I used the windows 8 dev preview and one thing I really liked was the new task manager. it almost reminded me of android task killers, and that's exactly what I want in windows. to see things that are running very clearly and kill them at will. even in windows 7 the processes all look like very important things integrated with the OS even if it's say google chrome. but with the new task manager, it's easier to tell which ones you need, and which are just background "fluff" or bloat so to speak. If the "desktop app" is better integrated into win8 on release I may get it. also there's a performance boost over windows 7, good for gamers like me.

I've been using the Developer Preview since it came out and think the new UI is refreshing and easy to use. I think that there's no need to spend ages to scroll for apps anymore when its quicker and easier to just search the name and click enter for it anyway on a deskptop

Jacki Boi said,
I've been using the Developer Preview since it came out and think the new UI is refreshing and easy to use. I think that there's no need to spend ages to scroll for apps anymore when its quicker and easier to just search the name and click enter for it anyway on a deskptop

I find it to be the opposite, its taking me longer to get stuff done in the dev preview, I've never searched for stuff in previous windows versions, always pinned the stuff I always use, and if I did need something it was always grouped in with the programs group in the start menu, not hard to find... win8 have a program with lots of tools installed with it, no idea what the tools go with, and if i dont know what they are called, how do i find or learn about them without taking time to figure it out...

duddit2 said,

why, for the love of god and all that is sensible, would you be trying to get day to day stuff done on a f**king DEV PREVIEW of an OS that's nowhere near complete, has major chunks missing, and FORCES METRO USE (because its designed for devs to design apps for METRO) - the make statements about how ling it takes to get stuff done, for gods sake wait for the beta at least - you know the one not designed yo force metro onto devs so they get used to metro and make metro apps! Jesus Christ

Wow, have you actually used it? It doesn't force you to use metro. It might be default but there's an easy fix for that, hit the window button. I've been using the Developer Preview since release for both developing and as my main OS. There's very few things I can't do.

For neufuse, you can still pin things to the taskbar and use the old deskop for everything except searching for apps, files, etc. If you need to get something, it's a lot easier to hit the window button and start typing what you want than to go looking for it manually. Nothing is hidden that you would use on a regular basis (for most).

duddit2 said,

why, for the love of god and all that is sensible, would you be trying to get day to day stuff done on a f**king DEV PREVIEW of an OS that's nowhere near complete, has major chunks missing, and FORCES METRO USE (because its designed for devs to design apps for METRO) - the make statements about how ling it takes to get stuff done, for gods sake wait for the beta at least - you know the one not designed yo force metro onto devs so they get used to metro and make metro apps! Jesus Christ

Might have something to do with me developing Windows 8 metro apps?..

dogmai79 said,

Wow, have you actually used it? It doesn't force you to use metro. It might be default but there's an easy fix for that, hit the window button. I've been using the Developer Preview since release for both developing and as my main OS. There's very few things I can't do.

For neufuse, you can still pin things to the taskbar and use the old deskop for everything except searching for apps, files, etc. If you need to get something, it's a lot easier to hit the window button and start typing what you want than to go looking for it manually. Nothing is hidden that you would use on a regular basis (for most).


easy fix? tell me, wheres the winxp/vista/7 like start menu? almost everything you do and you get bashed back into metro UI.
its nice and all, but not for desktop use.

duddit2 said,

why, for the love of god and all that is sensible, would you be trying to get day to day stuff done on a f**king DEV PREVIEW of an OS that's nowhere near complete, has major chunks missing, and FORCES METRO USE (because its designed for devs to design apps for METRO) - the make statements about how ling it takes to get stuff done, for gods sake wait for the beta at least - you know the one not designed yo force metro onto devs so they get used to metro and make metro apps! Jesus Christ

before you flip out gawd, you know some of us are developers that are learning the changes for DEVELOPMENT reasons, we have to use stuff day to day to try out the new api's and other features... don't freak out without assuming that someone using it a lot right now is a developer also

Well...it is about time that IDC finally stated what several people have suspected all along. Windows 8 offers little or nothing for the notebook and desktop user. It is strictly for tablet users, period. Maybe Windows 9 will offer something new for notebook and desktop users?
It brings back memories of the 50s, the phrase heard so often "L S M F T" (Let's stop, my finger is tired.)

TsarNikky said,
Well...it is about time that IDC finally stated what several people have suspected all along. Windows 8 offers little or nothing for the notebook and desktop user. It is strictly for tablet users, period. Maybe Windows 9 will offer something new for notebook and desktop users?
It brings back memories of the 50s, the phrase heard so often "L S M F T" (Let's stop, my finger is tired.)

there will be loads for desktops/notebooks, dont worry

ahhell said,
Boy is the analyst behind that report ever going to look like an asshat.

Yup they are predicting a product that practically non-existence. They are predicting it wrong.

Estienne Taylor said,

Yup they are predicting a product that practically non-existence. They are predicting it wrong.

So you think predicting that a product which "practically doesn't exist" yet is going to be good would be "right"?

Windows 8 will not be called Windows 8. That leads to people trying to be persuaded to upgrade from Windows 7, Vista, XP.

Instead, I believe that Windows 8 as we call it will be labeled something related to the touch experience. That way, they will have 2 operating systems: 7 and touch, to market. Of course, they will probably stop promoting 7, so that is where confusion lays.

In the end, Windows will become divided and fragmented here, and that's not good, maybe. iOS and OSX live together. Microsoft has the chance to combine everything the first time, that's what they are going for, big bet.

ccoltmanm said,
Windows 8 will not be called Windows 8. That leads to people trying to be persuaded to upgrade from Windows 7, Vista, XP.

Instead, I believe that Windows 8 as we call it will be labeled something related to the touch experience. That way, they will have 2 operating systems: 7 and touch, to market. Of course, they will probably stop promoting 7, so that is where confusion lays..


What? Did you read any news about Windows 8?

[quote=ccoltmanm said,]Windows 8 will not be called Windows 8. That leads to people trying to be persuaded to upgrade from Windows 7, Vista, XP.
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it will definately be called windows 8.. they called the new phone OS Windows Phone 7 and its the same UI concept

so far win 8 for me has felt like we were walking backwards to the old days of windows 2... I just feel like I can't get stuff done as fast, harder to do things on a desktop (but easier on a tablet)... I liked the idea of the UI for tablets was if you had a tablet and the desktop UI was for desktops, they merged them so much in the dev preview that it just gets annoying... and the whole "oh but to find something you just move the charm swap ten times to get a view of apps you want find it, cant find it have to search for it" stuff is bs when you do a lot of work... Win 7 got it right with the new taskbar and ditching the classic start menu, win8 feels like we are going backwards....

neufuse said,
so far win 8 for me has felt like we were walking backwards to the old days of windows 2... I just feel like I can't get stuff done as fast, harder to do things on a desktop (but easier on a tablet)... I liked the idea of the UI for tablets was if you had a tablet and the desktop UI was for desktops, they merged them so much in the dev preview that it just gets annoying... and the whole "oh but to find something you just move the charm swap ten times to get a view of apps you want find it, cant find it have to search for it" stuff is bs when you do a lot of work... Win 7 got it right with the new taskbar and ditching the classic start menu, win8 feels like we are going backwards....

your on my list also, are you using a dev preview, designed for devs to make metro apps, for standard pc use? If so why the hell would you want to do that, the experience on a desktop will be totally different with the beta. One more time - the dev preview is for devs of metro apps and curious techy folks (but sensible and not quick to make stupid premature judgements). Sorry about possibly sounding rude, but the stuff I've said is correct and no secret at all, and seeing totally misguided posts doesn't sit well...

duddit2 said,

your on my list also, are you using a dev preview, designed for devs to make metro apps, for standard pc use? If so why the hell would you want to do that, the experience on a desktop will be totally different with the beta. One more time - the dev preview is for devs of metro apps and curious techy folks (but sensible and not quick to make stupid premature judgements). Sorry about possibly sounding rude, but the stuff I've said is correct and no secret at all, and seeing totally misguided posts doesn't sit well...

I know you don't know me, but I am using the dev preview because I am a lead software developer for a major company, It's my job to learn OS's inside out and how to make use of their API's, and from what we've been told by MS this is the desktop experience design for it how it is now as that...

Aethec said,
Why do we even listen to analysts? Most of the time, their predictions are wrong.

Most of the time? All of the time.. lol.

Maybe not that bad, but these analysts realistically have no idea, their speculation is as good as anyones.

Agreed, whilst I love the Metro inferface. I have tried the WDP, and it's quite a pain to use on a desktop/laptop without a touch-screen. Yeah, some features I like, such as full screen search. But having to go through massive tiles to find an application which took me seconds in the start menu get's annoying.

Plus, all the buttons are big and spaced apart. Just means more mouse movement, which leaves less stuff on the screen. Plus it's less multitasking. Yeah it's okay for some, but it's a step backwards for the desktops.

Possession said,
Agreed, whilst I love the Metro inferface. I have tried the WDP, and it's quite a pain to use on a desktop/laptop without a touch-screen. Yeah, some features I like, such as full screen search. But having to go through massive tiles to find an application which took me seconds in the start menu get's annoying.

Plus, all the buttons are big and spaced apart. Just means more mouse movement, which leaves less stuff on the screen. Plus it's less multitasking. Yeah it's okay for some, but it's a step backwards for the desktops.


right, you've just been added to my 'people who don't quite understand things properly' list. Its a dev preview made with the specific aim of getting devs used to the metro interface so they can develop apps for that environent. With that in mind they made the standard desktop pretty much muted out, something that won't be the case in the beta or final build - you'll still be able to use the metro interface on a desktop, but you'll also be able to use standard windows by default (which in itself is having quite a few design changes made).

windows is all about allowing users to choose how they want to use their pc, and different form factors will naturally push people in different directions while making that choice.

From what I can see the only limiting decision is to make the arm version (which will be for tablets only until 2013 at the earliest) metro only, no win32 apps or std desktop, which I totally agree with or you'd just be risking confusion from a user standpoint, the Intel tablets will be the way to go if you want a more expensive tablet that will also do laptop/desktop stuff with arm devices kept cheap, long batery life, simple metro only devices.

Possession said,
Agreed, whilst I love the Metro inferface. I have tried the WDP, and it's quite a pain to use on a desktop/laptop without a touch-screen. Yeah, some features I like, such as full screen search. But having to go through massive tiles to find an application which took me seconds in the start menu get's annoying.

Plus, all the buttons are big and spaced apart. Just means more mouse movement, which leaves less stuff on the screen. Plus it's less multitasking. Yeah it's okay for some, but it's a step backwards for the desktops.

i could not disagree with you more.. first off this new UI opens up a world of possibilities for new ways to interact with your PC.. you say you have to move the mouse farther, but now you can use voice (more easily then windows 7), you can use things like kinect in the future..

Think of it this way.. would it not be super cool to have a small 7 inch screen beside your keyboard that displayed the metro interface? and the desktop was different apps.. that is something that is possible in windows 8 but never before it.. they are getting closer with desktops from acer and asus that come with small screens attached to the keyboard that are the mouse and a navigation screen.. Get your mind out of thinking about just the mouse..

Another example, what about laptops with touchscreens? think of the asus transformer prime and how its already sold out in places like canada and the US.. you dont need a mouse for the start screen if you have a touchscreen laptop.. but you need a mouse for a touchscreen laptop for windows 7..

You may be right that computers as we know them today may be less efficient with windows 8, but you have to open your mind to think about the PC of the future and they could increase efficiency 10 fold with switching between apps and by suspending apps in the background meaning you can have tons of programs open without slowing down very weak PC's .. I found

Lachlan said,
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What you say is true, but all that doesn't really help a large majority of people (myself included) who have no intention of spending ubermoney in order to get the full potential from my PC. For most people who will continue to use KB+M, Windows 8's features will have little to no impact on us.

duddit2 said,

right, you've just been added to my 'people who don't quite understand things properly' list.

Who cares about your list? You don't understand that Microsoft has said that Metro WILL be the default interface, even for desktops. I hope someone comes up with a good third party hack to make it so the desktop is default.

mrp04 said,
I hope someone comes up with a good third party hack to make it so the desktop is default.

Well, I remember a registry hack, but that also disabled the new Explorer features like the ribbon - which IMHO renders the hack useless (at least if you already have a W7 license…)

MFH said,

Well, I remember a registry hack, but that also disabled the new Explorer features like the ribbon - which IMHO renders the hack useless (at least if you already have a W7 license…)

That's why I said good. I want Metro to still be there, I just don't want it to be the main experience on my desktop.

duddit2 said,

right, you've just been added to my 'people who don't quite understand things properly' list.

right. you are just added to my "who-likes-to-insult-ppl-who-has-different-opinion-than-you" list and I stopped reading the rest of the line.

morrizz said,

right. you are just added to my "who-likes-to-insult-ppl-who-has-different-opinion-than-you" list and I stopped reading the rest of the line.

If this is insulting, then pot meet kettle..