IE9 coming to WP7 sooner than expected?

Information had previously leaked out that said IE9 would be coming to Windows Phone 7 in the 'Mango' update later this year. But, new information has surfaced that says IE9 will hit WP7 well before this update. This news comes from the same source who leaked out information regarding the pre-NoDo update and is believed to be reliable.

WMpoweruser states that not only will it arrive early but that it will also support HTML5 and Silverlight, they state:

We have a hot tip from the same person who accurately foretold the pre-NoDo update, that IE9 may come to Windows Phone 7 well before the Mango update towards the end of the year, and will in fact support Silverlight in addition to HTML5.

Neowin had previously reported that the 'Mango' update was due in the holiday season of 2011 and was supposed to contain the IE9 update according to Zdnet. While we do not know which source is actually correct, the new information does come from a source who already nailed one WP7 update.

Currently, Windows Phone users are using IE Mobile, or better known as IE7 Mobile, with some IE8 featured added into it. The addition of HTML 5 support and Silverlight to WP7 will make its browsing experience a top contender for best in class browser. 

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I hope the HTML5 implementation in WP7's IE9 is on the level of the desktop IE9. Especially if it is built with the 'shove HTML to hardware' model that IE9 on the desktop uses with lots of GPU acceleration.

Right now the HTML5 support in Android's browser and the iPhone Browser is rather poor with few specifications implmented and performance is horrible on any dynmaic or rich content.

Which should push both Apple and Google to add considerable HTML5 updates to their mobile browsers, even if they can't pull of the performance. Chrome and Safari are far behind in HTML5 performance on the desktop in comparison to IE9 do to the way IE9 redefines how web content is processed and handled.

I also hope that the desktop IE9 finally pushes Google and Apple to redesign their webkit engines or push back to have the webkit engine rewritten to deal with web content in a more modern fashion. Then they can start offering IE9 level of performance, instead of sticking an HTML5 canvas on the page and using non-standards like WebGL to render content just to compete with IE9's HTML5 inherent rendering abilities. (And WebGL and Chrome's native code features they are working with to get the IE9 rendering speeds are INSANE for security, making ActiveX from 10 years ago look secure.)

[quote=thenetavenger said,]I hope the HTML5 implementation in WP7's IE9 is on the level of the desktop IE9. Especially if it is built with the 'shove HTML to hardware' model that IE9 on the desktop uses with lots of GPU acceleration.
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IE9 Mobile, is port of the desktop version of IE9 so the level of standards support should be the same

Flawed said,
And still no flash? Fail...

Not a fail, but this is waiting on Adobe, not Microsoft.

Also, as an avid Android user that has Flash, there are so few Flash applications that work properly as they are prone to not render right, and crash/close. I was really looking forward to Flash on my Android phones, but the Flash content I use online only about 10% of it works on my phone sadly.

The sooner IE9 is in wide use, the better - and that couldn't be truer than in the mobile space, where most web apps are already using many "HTML5" features.

Would be good for Microsoft if this turns out to be true, a little under promising (even if it's time-lines) and over delivering would be smart on their part.

im suprised its been 4 months since i got my wp7. I thought id be ****ed if they didnt keep to their update schedual but look at me now. I <3 Wp7

raghavny80 said,
Too much talk of updates without actually seeing the updates.. Where is the update for my ATT Samsung Focus?
I'm waiting for my Telcel (Mexico) LG Optimus 7 update! I haven't even received the notification for the pre-NoDo update.

Hopefully, they release IE9 before the Mango update. Would be great to see apps take advantage of Silverlight support.

Ha good luck waiting for Telcel! they have to be one of the worst providers ever! If I wasn't only 6 months into my two year iPhone 4 contract, I would move to IUSACEL immediately!

Cask1 said,
Ha good luck waiting for Telcel!
Which is why the WP7 updates are not reliant on the local provider. Him being on Telcel will have little effect on him getting updates, because they can only *temporarily* block *some* updates.

raghavny80 said,
Too much talk of updates without actually seeing the updates.. Where is the update for my ATT Samsung Focus?

The Samsung updates were held due to some update issues. As long as ATT doesn't have a hold on any of their 'application' testing, it should roll out as soon as Microsoft shoves it out, which you update via your Zune Software. (There is no MFR or carrier dependence on updates or releases, with the exception of a device issue, like the Samsung or a carrier putting a requested hold if their specific apps have an issue they need to update for the release, which would be rare.)

However, it might be delayed a few days or a week or two, but you WILL get the update, which is NOT true of Android devices, as they rely on the MFR and Carrier to build the code for the device, update and build drivers for the release and often rebuild their specific applications for the update. This costs MFRs and Carriers a lot of money and time for each Android update and bug fix release, and is why even Motorola has put a halt to updates on several of their Android phones, locking them tot he versions they shipped with.

(Which is sad since some of the phones shipped with version 1.5, 1.6 and 2.1 that will never get a newer version, and the 1.x versions will never offer 3D application support even though the hardware has the CPU and GPU requirements to easily run the latest Android version.)

These costs are why companies like Samsung are trying to retool for more WP7 devices as it reduces their costs considerably and also gives their users a better experience with having the latest releases as they come from Microsoft.

This is also one of the deciding factors in Nokia going iwth WP7, as it was cheaper than continuing their own OS and doing all the heavy lifting or moving to Android where they would have do to almost the same amount of hevy lifting.

They desperately need to. I'm waiting and waiting and waiting to get a windows phone, but when I see how behind the hardware is and then look at benchmarks that show how poor the browser is, its hard to keep convincing myself its a good thing. I mean, come on, look at the browser performance here http://www.anandtech.com/show/...ormance-mali400-benchmarked The bottom three phones are all WP7. Maybe I'm just not the target consumer, but geesh.

NXTwoThou said,
when I see how behind the hardware is
Uh, what? Yes, the browser needs work, but that's hardly the entire system. Pretty much everyone I've seen on here remarks about how smooth the WP7 UI is.

(It's like using solely GHz to measure a CPU's performance)

NXTwoThou said,
They desperately need to. I'm waiting and waiting and waiting to get a windows phone, but when I see how behind the hardware is and then look at benchmarks that show how poor the browser is, its hard to keep convincing myself its a good thing. I mean, come on, look at the browser performance here http://www.anandtech.com/show/...ormance-mali400-benchmarked The bottom three phones are all WP7. Maybe I'm just not the target consumer, but geesh.

I've never had any issue with the speed. As long as you're not benchmarking, the performance is certainly fine for browsing.

NXTwoThou said,
They desperately need to. I'm waiting and waiting and waiting to get a windows phone, but when I see how behind the hardware is and then look at benchmarks that show how poor the browser is, its hard to keep convincing myself its a good thing. I mean, come on, look at the browser performance here http://www.anandtech.com/show/...ormance-mali400-benchmarked The bottom three phones are all WP7. Maybe I'm just not the target consumer, but geesh.

Hardware is not really behind, but if you insist.

NXTwoThou said,
They desperately need to. I'm waiting and waiting and waiting to get a windows phone, but when I see how behind the hardware is and then look at benchmarks that show how poor the browser is, its hard to keep convincing myself its a good thing. I mean, come on, look at the browser performance here http://www.anandtech.com/show/...ormance-mali400-benchmarked The bottom three phones are all WP7. Maybe I'm just not the target consumer, but geesh.

That's just a javascript benchmark. Sure Internet Explorer Mobile 7 not the fastest in that area, but it's very responsive. Pinch-to-zoom and scrolling is buttery smooth.

BTW, Internet Explorer 9 (desktop version) is faster than Chrome or Opera when measured with SunSpider.

NXTwoThou said,
They desperately need to. I'm waiting and waiting and waiting to get a windows phone, but when I see how behind the hardware is and then look at benchmarks that show how poor the browser is, its hard to keep convincing myself its a good thing. I mean, come on, look at the browser performance here http://www.anandtech.com/show/...ormance-mali400-benchmarked The bottom three phones are all WP7. Maybe I'm just not the target consumer, but geesh.

Ok, this is not a browser performance test, it is just a script benchmark, which is about 0.50% of your browsing experience.

Go look for videos that compare WP7 against iPhone4 against latest Android phone.

WP7's browser is faster than iPhone4 in every test, and also has fewer blank areas and redraws when scrolling the page. Against the latest Android, it is faster on some tests and not on some tests, but the Android device has 'technically' faster hardware.

As for WP7 hardware being outdated, this is the line that Apple and Google wants people to believe, and there is some truth to the age of the CPU/GPU in the WP7 compares to the iPhone4 and the newer Android devices.

However, with the WinCE kernel and the optimized GPU drivers, WP7 is several times faster than the iPhone4 and the latest Android for gaming. Application performance is also faster on WP7, especially against Android that doesn't use GPU acceleration for basic VM applications.

The GPU numbers are impressive, as the same Snapdragon CPU and GPU combination under Android or a test Linux were pulling numbers anywhere from 5 to 20 times slower than WP7 using the same EXACT Snapdragon CPU/GPU.

This is why Microsoft first designed WinCE back in the 90s and choose to use it in the WP7 devices instead of stripping down the NT kernel. Linux and iOS are rather heavy kernels and heavy OS models that creates more overhead for general computing and especially in the way the driver models work.

This is why WP7 is faster, even on a generation older hardware.

If Microsoft wanted to 'meet' the speed of iOS or Android, they could have used the NT kernel with a .NET/Silverlight subsystem. But with current device hardware, this is still too much overhead when you are wanting to squeeze out performance.

Go look up technical articles on the design of WinCE back in the 90s and why it is used instead of a light NT kernel back then and why it is fast, and why it is faster than a Linux or iOS kernel - that still pays off even in today's devices.

Considering that Belfiore stated that "cut n paste" was ready by the end of of November 2010 and we have not seen it yet I would say that............. it's a long way to to Tipperary.........

Fritzly said,
Considering that Belfiore stated that "cut n paste" was ready by the end of of November 2010 and we have not seen it yet I would say that............. it's a long way to to Tipperary.........

Actually, that was true. It's just that it had to be tested by each individual phone manufacturer, and some of them took a very long time...

Fritzly said,
Considering that Belfiore stated that "cut n paste" was ready by the end of of November 2010 and we have not seen it yet I would say that............. it's a long way to to Tipperary.........

He NEVER said that. In fact, he said that, the update will be ready by "early 2011" and in Redmond's term, that means in the first 3 months of the year.

Since it's just a app update carriers shouldn't be able to block it either one would expect. If MS can updates parts of the os as "apps" then why not.

this would make sense and keep to their updates every 3 months estimate they talked about when WP7 was released ( even if the first one took 4 months )