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I'll pass on the iPhone 5, but a discussion is in order

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The iPhone 5 was announced three days ago and whilst, it had initially made some noise, some existing consumers found themselves sitting on the fence; indecisive of whether to purchase it. I on the other hand, was on a completely different boat. Prior to the announcement, I was eager to jump ship from Android so that I could give up the taste of Jelly Bean on my HTC One X for the iPhone 5 and iOS 6 and after yesterday, I just simply wasn't impressed enough. Sure Apple's new iPod Touch and Nano look great, but the iPhone 5 is beginning to feel more mid-range than anything.

Yes, I know the iPhone and iOS do not need hardware to function well, iOS runs well on older iPod Touches, but what happened to pushing the boundaries of innovation? The iPhone 5 has an almost on-par HD resolution due to Apple's retina display but natively the device has a native resolution of 1136 x 640 at an 16:9 aspect ratio. Sure that's great, but a device without a native HD resolution at this moment in time is a game-changer even if it offers a real widescreen experience. It wasn't just screens and hardware though; I just felt Apple had nothing cool to show apart from the iPhone, especially seeing how well-executed Google's I/O conference was in June.

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I'm not being a fan boy either, the difference between Google's conference and Apple's is quite substantial and I definitely think Google had a lot of great things to show, such as Google Now, revamped Google+ apps, Nexus Q, Nexus 7 and of course, Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean). I was really looking forward to Apple nailing this conference, but to me it felt like they fell short software-wise more than hardware. Even the 4-inch screen upgrade seems irrelevant. My first 4-inch device was the HTC HD2 which I bought three years ago, so it's really hard for me to consider that an innovative step forward.

The term iSheep is used worldwide to describe the large number of consumers primarily paying for the Apple branding regardless of how good or bad a product may be or not, and I really feel that with the capabilities of the iPhone 5 considered, phones like the Galaxy S III and the HTC One X are better options, and if you should buy an iPhone it should be based on nothing but familiarity with the OS, because like I said previously; in terms of hardware and software, this iPhone seems to be lacking something.

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As we saw on Jimmy Kimmel, the advancements of iPhones is so minimal that the general public have problems identifying the new model from the older 4S model. This surely says something about both the phone and its consumers. The users claimed the device was superior than the 4S, when it actually was the device in question. You could argue that iOS runs very well on both the iPhone 4S and iPhone 5, but even with that considered, advancements should be noticable.

My summary of the conference lead me to believe that there haven't been much advancements since the iPhone 4S, and when you really think about it, the only real differences this year are Apple's 4-inch retina display, and the fact that Apple is embracing 4G as it begins to expand across more countries worldwide. Considering the fact Samsung has already manufactured a chipset capable of outputting resolutions greater than Apple's retina display, I'd say it's really only a matter of time before Apple devices are completely obsolete.

The marketshare currently shows Android owning over 50% whilst Apple owns over 30%; specifically over 500 million Android devices have been activated, so imagine what that'll be like next year or the year after. Android seems to be rapidly evolving and it really does seem; especially after Apple's conference, that Apple has nothing to implement into iPhones and iOS that can even compete with Google's refinements to Android. The only way I see Apple dominating the market again is by filing patent lawsuits against Google and its OEMs; which we can agree is something Apple will likely do after seeing it go head to head with Samsung and win.

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However, I'm looking at the bigger picture. The fact is: I actually wanted an iPhone this year and I personally felt that Apple fell short, but that doesn't mean everyone else feels the same, so if there's anything you feel Apple should have incorporated or changed, let us know. We'd also like to hear from people actually buying the phone, and those jumping ships from other platforms.

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I ordered my 5 at 3:01 am on Friday and now I question why I did it. I'm admitted fanboy but I'm wondering if I should have just had patience and looked at the Lumia 920.

patseguin said,
I ordered my 5 at 3:01 am on Friday and now I question why I did it. I'm admitted fanboy but I'm wondering if I should have just had patience and looked at the Lumia 920.

Dude you answered your own question. Vanilla Ice used to be popular, then people evolved. it's time the human race stop settling for sh3it. We're handed enough each day. At least we have a choice now. Yet some farm animals sill go right back to getting branded no matter how painful it was the first time.

VoX said,

Dude you answered your own question. Vanilla Ice used to be popular, then people evolved. it's time the human race stop settling for sh3it. We're handed enough each day. At least we have a choice now. Yet some farm animals sill go right back to getting branded no matter how painful it was the first time.

Yeah man I know. I'm a self-admitted fanboy who may not be for much longer. I at least want to get my hands on the thing and decide. I've had Android and W7 phones and always went back to iOS. Maybe that will change with this new Lumia.

patseguin said,

Yeah man I know. I'm a self-admitted fanboy who may not be for much longer. I at least want to get my hands on the thing and decide. I've had Android and W7 phones and always went back to iOS. Maybe that will change with this new Lumia.

You'd get along with my friend Kristian, he's an Apple fanboy who as of this year will be sporting a Lumia 920 and a Surface tablet. Hit him up at @linkandzela137 if you want on twitter, I think he can always help decide within a week, should you need to cancel the pre-order due to 2nd thoughts. You might as well hear an opinion from an Apple fanboy who is jumping ship, than a self-confessed Android fanboy like myself .

While I mostly agree with the article, I didn't like the iSheep pic, however funny it may be. Is it necessary to brand everyone who likes Apple products as iSheep ? I seriously don't think so. I owned an iPhone 4 before upgrading to GS III and I was quite satisfied with that phone. So does that make me an iSheep too?

bmthetechfan said,
While I mostly agree with the article, I didn't like the iSheep pic, however funny it may be. Is it necessary to brand everyone who likes Apple products as iSheep ? I seriously don't think so. I owned an iPhone 4 before upgrading to GS III and I was quite satisfied with that phone. So does that make me an iSheep too?

Of course it doesn't. Like many others, you weren't a retarded imbecile when you made that iPhone 4 purchase. Millions of other were.

bmthetechfan said,
While I mostly agree with the article, I didn't like the iSheep pic, however funny it may be. Is it necessary to brand everyone who likes Apple products as iSheep ? I seriously don't think so. I owned an iPhone 4 before upgrading to GS III and I was quite satisfied with that phone. So does that make me an iSheep too?

Yes it is necessary. They think they've made a wise choice. They think they have "cutting edge" technology because they have drank the Kool-Aid. We're merely trying to give the correct information. If then, you're still dumb, then well you deserve your iPhone.

JessJess said,
Is this what Neowin is now?

It has always been a place where the majority of users bash Apple and anyone that uses them or supports them (regardless of usage), branding them all as iSheep.

Seem's that way, but never thought I would see a story on the front page inviting and inciting it.

I mean, that "average consumer" video was a total joke. Anyone that takes that as 'evidence' is more retarded than the four people that appeared in it - whose validity was dubious at best (hulk hogans father loves him some iphone ).

Sorry but this wasn't journalism. But it was unprofessional, and at its best.

JessJess said,
Seem's that way, but never thought I would see a story on the front page inviting and inciting it.

I mean, that "average consumer" video was a total joke. Anyone that takes that as 'evidence' is more retarded than the four people that appeared in it - whose validity was dubious at best (hulk hogans father loves him some iphone ).

Sorry but this wasn't journalism. But it was unprofessional, and at its best.

OH MY GOD, SOMEONE WROTE AN ARTICLE WITH AN OPINION IN IT! Go play with your iPhone kiddo.

JessJess said,
Shouldn't you be under a bridge somewhere scaring little children?

Hi there little one, I'm not sure how that comment is relevant? Do you know me? No. If you would like to, I will gladly provide my contact information, phone number, address for you to visit me and we can have 1 conversation that won't end well. Otherwise, silence. I haven't given you permission to post.

Have a great day.

Sincerely,
Tim Cook

Honestly I wasn't going to purchase the new phone as I didn't see much difference from my 4S. But the reason I had to is that the flaw in the Iphone 4 and 4S where people on phone calls can't hear me but I can hear them.. strangely the speakerphone works though. So hopefully with the 3 microphone system on the new phone that issue has been resolved.. if it hasn't I've already told myself that this is the last Apple phone I'll purchase as they still haven't fixed a very critical issue.

DeathSniper said,
Honestly I wasn't going to purchase the new phone as I didn't see much difference from my 4S. But the reason I had to is that the flaw in the Iphone 4 and 4S where people on phone calls can't hear me but I can hear them.. strangely the speakerphone works though. So hopefully with the 3 microphone system on the new phone that issue has been resolved.. if it hasn't I've already told myself that this is the last Apple phone I'll purchase as they still haven't fixed a very critical issue.

It doesn't strike you as odd that a phone needs 3 microphones to work properly? I can name 1000 phones available today other than iPhone that only need 1 microphone to work properly.

You don't see the issue do you? You reaaaly don't?

DeathSniper said,
Honestly I wasn't going to purchase the new phone as I didn't see much difference from my 4S. But the reason I had to is that the flaw in the Iphone 4 and 4S where people on phone calls can't hear me but I can hear them.. strangely the speakerphone works though. So hopefully with the 3 microphone system on the new phone that issue has been resolved.. if it hasn't I've already told myself that this is the last Apple phone I'll purchase as they still haven't fixed a very critical issue.

Sounds to me like your device had some sort of issue. Why not replace it under warranty?

VoX said,

It doesn't strike you as odd that a phone needs 3 microphones to work properly? I can name 1000 phones available today other than iPhone that only need 1 microphone to work properly.

You don't see the issue do you? You reaaaly don't?

Yes I see the issue, believe me I went back and forth on purchasing "5" I already have a ton of apps so I figured this is the last one if the issue isn't fixed. But I can totally see people's reasons for not purchasing this one, not much has changed in the last 2 generations.

shockz said,

Sounds to me like your device had some sort of issue. Why not replace it under warranty?

Its not just my device though, lots of others are having the same issue and there hasn't been a fix for it. Since the 5.1 update and 5.1.1 didn't fix it. I haven't tried 6.0 myself since it's not out yet but I'll give that a go on the 4S and see what that does if anything. I took it to an Apple Store and they told me it wasn't hardware that I needed to refresh the IOS which I did several times, nothing worked.

DeathSniper said,
Honestly I wasn't going to purchase the new phone as I didn't see much difference from my 4S. But the reason I had to is that the flaw in the Iphone 4 and 4S where people on phone calls can't hear me but I can hear them.. strangely the speakerphone works though. So hopefully with the 3 microphone system on the new phone that issue has been resolved.. if it hasn't I've already told myself that this is the last Apple phone I'll purchase as they still haven't fixed a very critical issue.

So you bought two iPhones that didn't work properly and thought that you should be a third to see if the problem is rectified. Perhaps you should have considered buying something other than an iPhonnw as almost every other phone on the market is capable of making phone calls.

VoX said,

It doesn't strike you as odd that a phone needs 3 microphones to work properly? I can name 1000 phones available today other than iPhone that only need 1 microphone to work properly.

You don't see the issue do you? You reaaaly don't?

Unless I have missed some shift in technology, the majority of phones use two Microphones to actively monitor ambient sound and to ensure software is filtering any feedback sounds. (Most also do various audio processing beyond a frequency splitter.)

A 2 mic array is pretty standard.

The 3 mic array is a bit of marketing gimmick, because you don't get much of jump in quality, and it isn't enough to do accurate spatial/direction detection.

The only thing I can guess is Apple is ONLY doing a variation of frequency splitting, which would add a mid range for detection; however, they could accomplish this in software just as easily by updating the OS to do return sound processing.

Either way, I agree the 3 mic is goofy for Apple when the iPhone is horrible at producing speaker volume, compared to virtually every other phone made, with people still poking holes in the plastic membrane to be able to hear people on speaker phone. (Let alone produce rich and clear stereo/surround sound, as many phones do.)

A 5 or 7 mic array would make sense if the phone was trying to use 'user' location for recognition, like the Kinect mic Array does. Everything else should be possible in software with two mics.

jakem1 said,

So you bought two iPhones that didn't work properly and thought that you should be a third to see if the problem is rectified. Perhaps you should have considered buying something other than an iPhonnw as almost every other phone on the market is capable of making phone calls.

No I purchased the 4S, the 4 I never had.. but it has the same issue as the 4S in terms of call issues.

I like a good editorial, and I was enjoying this editorial until I got to the iSheep bit. That's when it started to go downhill.

The term iSheep is used worldwide to describe the large number of consumers primarily paying for the Apple branding regardless of how good or bad a product may be or not, and I really feel that with the capabilities of the iPhone 5 considered, phones like the Galaxy S III and the HTC One X are better options, and if you should buy an iPhone it should be based on nothing but familiarity with the OS, because like I said previously; in terms of hardware and software, this iPhone seems to be lacking something.

Really, there's a large group of people just buying Apple products regardless? What's your source on that claim?

Yes, there are other phones that have features packed into the phone until it starts bursting at the seems, but are they practical...for a phone...?

Since we're making stuff up, I think people flock to Apple because they feel that Apple provides a great product. It's the same reason people flock to Android.

For me, I keep coming back to the iPhone because I know what I'm getting. I know that I will get software updates and new software related features that the hardware can support for the next 3-4 years. An, "innovation," other manufactures are just now starting to do with Android and Windows Phone. I know that the phone will have solid performance and a great batter life. Something my Galaxy Note severely lacked.

Then we get to this bit.

As we saw on Jimmy Kimmel, the advancements of iPhones is so minimal that the general public have problems identifying the new model from the older 4S model. This surely says something about both the phone and its consumers.

It doesn't say anything about the consumers. I'm surprised no one else is jumping all over this because I know Neowin has written articles in the past based on polls, and people got upset because the sample size was so small.

The Jimmy Kimmel video, while very funny and entertaining, only showed several people getting confused about the iPhone. It didn't show the people that were interviewed and who were not confused. Also, Apple has sold (not shipped) over 400 million iOS devices. It's safe to say that there are millions of Apple customers. Now ask yourself this. How can several people surveyed out of a small unknown number represent millions? It can't. It's not possible.

To me, it just shows that someone is desperately trolling, and if that's a qualification needed to post articles on Neowin.com, then where do I sign up?

Also, If you want to make the case that the iPhone updates are incremental, don't link to a comedy bit from a late night show. All you have to do is invite people to read the press releases for the past iPhones. The iPhone 3G's main features where a 3G antenna and GPS. The iPhone 3GS's main features were faster performance, video recording, and a compass. They may seem like small updates if you're jumping from one iPhone to the next, but in America where we're on two year contracts, going from the 3G to the 4 was a big update, like going from the 4 to the 5 will be.

Too bad Verizon doesn't offer any solid Windows Phones. My iPhone 4 is old and I need a new one for various reasons, right now. Since all I hear about irl are people bitching about android, not so much the features but fragmentation (everyone is either on a different version or waiting for their carrier) and app stability, there is pretty much no alternative for me.

Upgraded to the iPhone 5 and I'm sure I'll be quite happy. I'm no iSheep, I gave serious consideration to the other two big platforms, but when it comes down to it, I don't need NFC, 320~ ppi is good enough for me, and while the lumia has a better camera, the one I've been using does an acceptable job, and if it's something I actually want an amazing picture of... I'll just use an actual camera to take the picture with. I've also become extremely integrated with the apple store, not about to ditch my paid apps and old DRM music. The lumia is a superior phone hardwarewise, but Microsoft has a lot proving to do with its app store and given its history of ditching other products... Zune, wp7 devices (excluding 7.8), those lame Verizon Zune like phones... Can't remember the name... I want to see what MS does with Windows Phone over the next two years. Hoping they do actually get it right and it takes off, ill for sure jump on after the 5 if that's the case, but their track record with mobile devices thus far has only begun to look bright.

Why does there need to be a discussion on people buying whatever the hell they want or not for whatever reason that suits them?

Could this article be written any worse?

Who needs a HD display for a screen so small? The critical factor should be pixel density.

How can you criticise the iPhone for not having a bigger screen? There should only have been a size increase if it would improve the user experience. The screen was lengthened in order to do so, and it was determined that width was not important. This is a good thing, because the phone can still be held comfortably in one hand and put in the pocket easily. Some may like bigger screens, but that's a personal preference, NOT a ground for criticising Apple.

There is no 'race' to implement bigger screens for the sake of it, so no, there is no need to 'innovate', as you say, by increasing screen size.

And from the market share table you reference, it shows Apple's market share growing FASTER than Google's. The iPhone becoming obsolete when its market share is growing faster than any of the competition? Right.

In that regard, you neglected to mention that the iPhone may be at the forefront of phones in terms of processor and GPU speed. It's all speculation at this point, but would have been worth mentioning. Convenient.

Ultimately, the people with the problem are those criticising a fantastic product and forgetting that it is about USER EXPERIENCE, and not having the biggest/fastest hardware. Android and Windows Phone still cannot compare to iOS in terms of user experience.

I learnt nothing from this article. It was so badly written and poorly argued that I logged in just to comment.

You get paid for the number of page views and comments, right? Nice.

VoX said,

Learnt? I'm not sure I'm familiar with that word.

LOLWUT

You haven't heard of the word 'learnt' because you're an ignorant buffoon. 'Learnt' is found in British English (the ORIGINAL English, I might add).

I'm not even going to bother responding to your other comments.

dewaaz said,

LOLWUT

You haven't heard of the word 'learnt' because you're an ignorant buffoon. 'Learnt' is found in British English (the ORIGINAL English, I might add).

I'm not even going to bother responding to your other comments.

And you good sir, have acted like an arrogant lout.

You and I both know that learnt is a somewhat archaic term used chiefly in British English, when we also know a large proportion of netizens use different dialects such as the U.S.

Indeed, even the Oxford English Dictionary admits that both are equally acceptable. It also points out that the use of learned is growing in prominence.

One might have thought you'd have learnt more tact and not act like such an arse.

WTF are you on about?

I used a word I am familiar with and is commonly used in my country, so no, it's not archaic. Just because it's not US English, doesn't mean it's archaic.

VoX tried to be a smartarse and attempted to call me out on something, but he got rolled.

I didn't say learned wasn't a word, I defended my use of a perfectly valid word.

So thanks for backing me up with the OED by saying my use of learnt is perfectly fine, and then by using it yourself.

I'm sure you felt pretty good about yourself when taking the effort to check the OED. You can crawl back to your cave now, or go trolling in the comment section of another news post.

dewaaz said,

LOLWUT

You haven't heard of the word 'learnt' because you're an ignorant buffoon. 'Learnt' is found in British English (the ORIGINAL English, I might add).

I'm not even going to bother responding to your other comments.

BTW, which "original" English are you referring to? The English from the Celtic, Old German, Old French, Latin, or French? That's just dating up to around the Norman Invasion of 1066. How about Chaucer, Shakespeare? The plethora of English vocabulary from India? African slaves? Australia? The U.S. colonies? etc. etc.

English as a language is such a mongrel hodgepodge with so many different sources, absorbing words from different lands into itself so readily, that nothing in the modern era even remotely resembles anything that could possibly be construed as "original" and even as far back as the Dark Ages and earlier, "English" as a language even depended greatly on what region of England you were referring to. Which makes any notion of "original" English ridiculous on its face.

Try reading Melvyn Bragg's The Adventure of English or watching his 8 part series of the same name, and you'll realize just how flawed your comment was.

dewaaz said,
WTF are you on about?

I used a word I am familiar with and is commonly used in my country, so no, it's not archaic. Just because it's not US English, doesn't mean it's archaic.

VoX tried to be a smartarse and attempted to call me out on something, but he got rolled.

I didn't say learned wasn't a word, I defended my use of a perfectly valid word.

So thanks for backing me up with the OED by saying my use of learnt is perfectly fine, and then by using it yourself.

I'm sure you felt pretty good about yourself when taking the effort to check the OED. You can crawl back to your cave now, or go trolling in the comment section of another news post.

Even the BBC notes that learned is increasing in usage to replace learnt in England. So for VoX not to be familiar with the term is not at all a surprise and since learnt is decreasing is usage that would make it somewhat archaic term by definition. So calling him an ignorant buffoon was uncalled for.

And like I said, there is no such single thing as "Original English" which made the second part of your comment ridiculous and frankly, wrong. Which would, I believe, make YOU the troll. I'm just calling you on it.

dewaaz said,
Could this article be written any worse?

Who needs a HD display for a screen so small? The critical factor should be pixel density.

How can you criticise the iPhone for not having a bigger screen? There should only have been a size increase if it would improve the user experience. The screen was lengthened in order to do so, and it was determined that width was not important. This is a good thing, because the phone can still be held comfortably in one hand and put in the pocket easily. Some may like bigger screens, but that's a personal preference, NOT a ground for criticising Apple.

There is no 'race' to implement bigger screens for the sake of it, so no, there is no need to 'innovate', as you say, by increasing screen size.

And from the market share table you reference, it shows Apple's market share growing FASTER than Google's. The iPhone becoming obsolete when its market share is growing faster than any of the competition? Right.

In that regard, you neglected to mention that the iPhone may be at the forefront of phones in terms of processor and GPU speed. It's all speculation at this point, but would have been worth mentioning. Convenient.

Ultimately, the people with the problem are those criticising a fantastic product and forgetting that it is about USER EXPERIENCE, and not having the biggest/fastest hardware. Android and Windows Phone still cannot compare to iOS in terms of user experience.

I learnt nothing from this article. It was so badly written and poorly argued that I logged in just to comment.

You get paid for the number of page views and comments, right? Nice.

Apple increased its screen size because it was proven that a bigger screen was a selling point. they however did not do it justice because now some apps will come with a letterbox style screen. And also if it is about pixel density the new Lumia has the iPhone beat on that front as well. All this talk about HD screens is Apples doing with the introduction of the "Retina Display" but now that others has matched this it is no longer important. Amazing! When the "New" iPad came out it was all about the screen now screens do not matter again since Apple has been exceeded.

Another derogatory Apple article about the company and the people who chose to use their products. It's a great eco system that Google only dreams it could recreate, same with MS. MS has a chance but it will probably **** it up.

Selling my S3 as it blows. Too big, clunky ****ty interface (no I don't want to have to root it to use Apex or Nova to their fullest, I shouldn't have to), **** keyboard that forces you to use SwiftKey (which is excellent) and there isn't one thing I need to do on it that can't be done better with the iPhone and the apps available to it.

Click whoring Neowin to your vapid fan base. Closing my account on this ****ty site which is a hollow shell of its once great self. Mainly thanks to the users and the writers who faun to them.

Septimus said,
Another derogatory Apple article about the company and the people who chose to use their products. It's a great eco system that Google only dreams it could recreate, same with MS. MS has a chance but it will probably **** it up.

Selling my S3 as it blows. Too big, clunky ****ty interface (no I don't want to have to root it to use Apex or Nova to their fullest, I shouldn't have to), **** keyboard that forces you to use SwiftKey (which is excellent) and there isn't one thing I need to do on it that can't be done better with the iPhone and the apps available to it.

Click whoring Neowin to your vapid fan base. Closing my account on this ****ty site which is a hollow shell of its once great self. Mainly thanks to the users and the writers who faun to them.

I truly wish you luck in your superior "Ecosystem" , whatever the hell that means while talking about a cellphone.

It doesn't change the fact that Apple has truly showns it's inability to innovate. They're far too concerned about the HUGE market share that Google has and since they can't come up with anymore ideas, they're going to sue everyone to get back on top, which will fail. Miserably.

What Apple really doesn't need is more customer's like you. But that's what it has attracted unfortunately. I don't wish for the companies failure, I just wish it would do something smart after 5 years. Well, apparently that's not going to happen either.

The first thing Apple has to do is stop suing the competition for creating a better and different product, then they need to publicly announce that. I don't expect the spoiled little brats to apologize, they think they're somehow special. This is a good start, more real users of technology, that understand what a device can do, should and train others on it, would take notice.

Then, Apple should just sit back take their backseat like a good little red-headed stepchild and INVENT SOMETHING FFS. All they've done is take the good bits from everyone else, and PRESENT it in such a way that makes the average, and I MEAN average consumer go "WOW!" and nothing has been really done, upgraded and/or changed.

There isn't a single iPhone 5 user, that would be able to mentally handle the reality of what Apple has done to them and soon to be millions of others..

..THE IPHONE 5 IS A DOWNGRADE FROM THE IPHONE 4S, despite a DIFFERENT Shaped screen and a few more changes (charging connector to force higher sales numbers) it's the same God Damn phone. Apple knows it too.

The funny thing is, if Apple can't get creative enough, they'll end up producing an HTC, Nokia, or Samsung knock-off and then.. Well.. Justice will truly be served. Apple needs to be sued so God Damned hard it's not funny.

Tim Cook needs to step down and allow someone with a new vision of what people can actually use and offer, that's truly breathtaking. Apple has managed to brainwash the simple, and the ignorant into thinking they have something that's groundbreaking.

In my office, 23 people have an iPhone and they're in their little groups, that break off and interchange during watercooler conversations and meetings. I know them all, and ask them what it is they love about Apple and are they getting an iPhone 5.

Finally after years of the Beavis and Butthead mentality they're starting 10 of the 23 that is, to evolve.

They've said. "I'm not sure, what's will the billion dollar lawsuit?" "I'm not sure I like them anymore after how greedy they've become." "There isn't anything new." "Now that I've heard about SamSung there phones look awesome, I never paid attention to them before."

..And that my fellow friends and iSheep alike is having the wool pull back, from over your eyes. (pun intended)

People may be in denial but the iPhone 5 will outsell SG3 by a long shot and not even a new Lumina can save WP. Sorry but the numbers are backing me up. And it's always the same story with WP, people miserably waiting for that "next" version of the software and hardware that will boost the sales. The truth is, smartphone market is growing rapidly yet WP isn't. And while it is good to have competition to stir up innovation, it's going to be a two horse race from now on.

I would like someone to show me a 7.6mm cell phone that fits comfortable in one hand and that can do what an iPhone can.

stevan said,
People may be in denial but the iPhone 5 will outsell SG3 by a long shot and not even a new Lumina can save WP. Sorry but the numbers are backing me up. And it's always the same story with WP, people miserably waiting for that "next" version of the software and hardware that will boost the sales. The truth is, smartphone market is growing rapidly yet WP isn't. And while it is good to have competition to stir up innovation, it's going to be a two horse race from now on.

I would like someone to show me a 7.6mm cell phone that fits comfortable in one hand and that can do what an iPhone can.

Any phone from HTC or Samsung that runs Android. What is it that you're expecting? My old Droid Razr Maxx has more features and power than anything that has Apple has produced in the phone market. Why can't you accept Fact? The magic that you've accepted from Apple only makes you sound and appear as the sterotypical "iSheep."

You're a follower, blind follower. Yes the phone is thin. So is mine. big deal. What can it do? Anything I want it to. I can even change and update the software as I see fit. The OS too. I don't have to do what Eric Schmidt tells me to do.

He doesn't need to take a stage and drone over how incredible Android OS is you see.

The OS does that ALL by itself, if you're capable of understanding it. That said, then perhaps a WP would be better. It's a "simpler" OS with less features and Market Share but at least it has innovation inside.

Creativity you say? Pfft, everything you can do on an iPhone or Mac you do on a PC, and better, faster and for the HALF THE PRICE. That doesn't make it cheap at all. That makes it intelligently priced. Wal-Mart sells cheap ****. Hence why the iPhone is sold there. So the trailer park trash has access to it. No one (that understands technology) buys a phone from Wal-Mart. iPhone users do though!

I don't need to show you anything, because even if I did, you wouldn't look out of pure denial and your blind following of an industry and technology you simply can't comprehend yet. But you will.

stevan said,
People may be in denial but the iPhone 5 will outsell SG3 by a long shot and not even a new Lumina can save WP. Sorry but the numbers are backing me up. And it's always the same story with WP, people miserably waiting for that "next" version of the software and hardware that will boost the sales. The truth is, smartphone market is growing rapidly yet WP isn't. And while it is good to have competition to stir up innovation, it's going to be a two horse race from now on.

I would like someone to show me a 7.6mm cell phone that fits comfortable in one hand and that can do what an iPhone can.

I can show you a 6.65mm cell phone that can do MORE than the iPhone can!!!!

What a ridiculous article. No innovation since the iphone 4s? It just came out a year ago man.

I hate when people say the iPhone 5 is not great because it's nothing revolutionary. So freakin what.

They took an already great phone and added hardware, visual, and software improvements. What the hell is wrong with that?

You expect the phone to have wings and fly?

I mean come on. There is only so much they can do at this point because of technological advancement, adaptability,and cost.

I don't want to carry a 7" phone in my pocket but hey they could of done that right?

Boyd Petersen said,
What a ridiculous article. No innovation since the iphone 4s? It just came out a year ago man.

I hate when people say the iPhone 5 is not great because it's nothing revolutionary. So freakin what.

They took an already great phone and added hardware, visual, and software improvements. What the hell is wrong with that?

You expect the phone to have wings and fly?

I mean come on. There is only so much they can do at this point because of technological advancement, adaptability,and cost.

I don't want to carry a 7" phone in my pocket but hey they could of done that right?

Woah, someone got butthurt.

You know what else came out a year ago? dual-core mobile processors. You know what came out 3 years ago? The world's first 4.3 inch device. That is what's wrong.

Apple can do a lot of advancements if they wish, every other manufacturer seems to advance a lot faster. It just feels they know that they can profit more from less advancements, because it cuts costs.

I don't expect the iPhone 5 to do much, but for the price of an iPhone tariff, I expect it to do a LOT more than offer me things that got me excited three years ago..

However, they made a great shout on the 4G.

Boyd Petersen said,
What a ridiculous article. No innovation since the iphone 4s? It just came out a year ago man.

I hate when people say the iPhone 5 is not great because it's nothing revolutionary. So freakin what.

They took an already great phone and added hardware, visual, and software improvements. What the hell is wrong with that?

You expect the phone to have wings and fly?

I mean come on. There is only so much they can do at this point because of technological advancement, adaptability,and cost.

I don't want to carry a 7" phone in my pocket but hey they could of done that right?

The point of the article was more to highlight that the extra features they have added have been technology advancements we've seen on other phones for years.

Zeikku said,

Woah, someone got butthurt.

You know what else came out a year ago? dual-core mobile processors. You know what came out 3 years ago? The world's first 4.3 inch device. That is what's wrong.

Apple can do a lot of advancements if they wish, every other manufacturer seems to advance a lot faster. It just feels they know that they can profit more from less advancements, because it cuts costs.

I don't expect the iPhone 5 to do much, but for the price of an iPhone tariff, I expect it to do a LOT more than offer me things that got me excited three years ago..

However, they made a great shout on the 4G.

So you write the editorial and then rebut everyone's comments in this section that don't agree with your editorial? You wrote what you had to say, replying to every comment here makes you look very unprofessional and you are starting to come across as a jackass. You said what you said, now take in what other people are saying or just ignore them.

Zeikku said,

Woah, someone got butthurt.

You know what else came out a year ago? dual-core mobile processors. You know what came out 3 years ago? The world's first 4.3 inch device. That is what's wrong.

Apple can do a lot of advancements if they wish, every other manufacturer seems to advance a lot faster. It just feels they know that they can profit more from less advancements, because it cuts costs.

I don't expect the iPhone 5 to do much, but for the price of an iPhone tariff, I expect it to do a LOT more than offer me things that got me excited three years ago..

However, they made a great shout on the 4G.

FFS a larger screen isn't innovation either it is differentiation. The IQ of the users on this site has plummeted. Not everyone wants an almost 5" bloody screen to have a powerful phone.

Septimus said,

FFS a larger screen isn't innovation either it is differentiation. The IQ of the users on this site has plummeted. Not everyone wants an almost 5" bloody screen to have a powerful phone.

Agreed, screen size isn't everything. It's really how you use it. You want to talk about how an iPhone with iOS and a phone with Android take advantage of the smaller screens? We can, you won't like the answers. "RETINA DISPLAY" is a marketing term, just FYI before we get started. BEATS AUDIO anyone? it's a marketing strategy, IT DOES NOTHING. It's all in the software.

Shadrack said,

So you write the editorial and then rebut everyone's comments in this section that don't agree with your editorial? You wrote what you had to say, replying to every comment here makes you look very unprofessional and you are starting to come across as a jackass. You said what you said, now take in what other people are saying or just ignore them.

I don't have a problem with people that share different opinions, it was the whole point of the article and some great responses have surfaced as a result of it. I think you and a few others have completely overlooked the fact that when discussions take place, it means you shouldn't abuse the comment system to bash writers and posts.

My posts on comments are strictly to lengthen and expand discussions, but if that makes me unproffessional, I'll stop.

Label me what you want, I have only commented on interesting comments and the post where the guy called me out on the "ridiculous" article, so me "commenting on everything" was an over-generalization on your part. I also never knew socializing was unprofessional. I'm not here to argue with you or anyone else, just to do my job, mate. I just don't get the need to bash writers or articles especially when this post has succeeded in bringing the best out of the discussion.

I genuinely don't have a problem with you or anyone, I'm literally one of the most laid back staff members here, so no need to insult me. Sorry for wasting your time.

Zeikku said,

I don't have a problem with people that share different opinions, it was the whole point of the article and some great responses have surfaced as a result of it. I think you and a few others have completely overlooked the fact that when discussions take place, it means you shouldn't abuse the comment system to bash writers and posts.

My posts on comments are strictly to lengthen and expand discussions, but if that makes me unproffessional, I'll stop.

Label me what you want, I have only commented on interesting comments and the post where the guy called me out on the "ridiculous" article, so me "commenting on everything" was an over-generalization on your part. I also never knew socializing was unprofessional. I'm not here to argue with you or anyone else, just to do my job, mate. I just don't get the need to bash writers or articles especially when this post has succeeded in bringing the best out of the discussion.

I genuinely don't have a problem with you or anyone, I'm literally one of the most laid back staff members here, so no need to insult me. Sorry for wasting your time.

I for one find it refreshing that you have joined in on the discussions. It adds more to the editorial when you know the author is engaging. I enjoy you adding your points to strengthen your points or others as well as when someone tries to weaken your arguments.(there have been a few that have done so) So I say great job!

pwgarner said,

I for one find it refreshing that you have joined in on the discussions. It adds more to the editorial when you know the author is engaging. I enjoy you adding your points to strengthen your points or others as well as when someone tries to weaken your arguments.(there have been a few that have done so) So I say great job!

Thanks, that actually means a lot. I actually like engaging as it expands responses into specific pros and cons. It's all I pretty much do on Twitter with the editors and readers. I usually have great topics going live on my feed, whether they're branded silly or not!

Non compatible connectors between the i4 and i5...not nice, Apple. I see you are joining "the club" with those manufacturers who deliberately make non-standard battery charger connectors.

Here's the thing. The iPhone is just too expensive anyway, especially in countries where carriers don't officially offer it, or Apple doesn't even support the country (like mine). I can only sell my soul to the devil in order to get one. I did have some experience with an iPhone 4 because a few friends own them, but not having actually used it as my own, I can't really say I even have an opinion about it (that complements it). Having said that, the iPhone 5 announcement was, as mentioned in the editorial, an immediate "iSheep" recollection.

Android I don't like because there are... get this... too many apps! Having used a low-end Android tablet for a couple of months, I was constantly frustrated not by the lack of hardware power in the device, but the sheer amount of (mostly crappy) apps that, within an individual category, all serve a single purpose but don't actually achieve everything they're supposed to.
I understand that for such good apps, you have to spill some cash, so this refers to free apps from Google Play only.

Now, Windows Phone... I don't know. I am dying to get a Lumia 800, which I know is old, but it's something I could (barely) afford... and it's Nokia! I've used Nokia my entire life, except for this last carrier offer two years ago, a crappy Samsung S5230, which is my first touch-screen phone that I despise more than Woody Allen (and I f*****g despise Woody Allen from the bottom of my heart and soul!!!). The Windows Phone platform looks light, sleek and fast, and while it does have quirks and it's own problems (like any other), the sole fact that when I want to get a (free) app for a certain category, I probably won't have to dig through dozens and dozens of apps, reading stupid reviews like "OMGz zhis dun worky" immediately followed by "works perfectly, best app ever" ridiculousness - this is something that I appreciate a lot, and this is why the WP platform is quite appealing to me.

I don't want to slave over my phone to make it work the way I want it to (like I did with the Android tablet that I gave away to my sister, because it just ****ed me off all the time) - all I want is to fill it with apps and my personal stuff, and USE IT, instead of letting the phone abuse me... If it makes any sense.

I had an e-mail today from apple about the iphone 5 so i thought this will be a laugh see what crap theyve put on there to advertise it. First thing ive noticed is it saying its the most advanced mobile OS in the world, BS it doesnt even have true multitasking its the same all crap year in year out. 2nd thing i noticed is the bit about siri.... heres the clever bit cus if siri doesnt work properly or as intended, read the small print at the bottom with the asteriks it states siri is in beta so they can get around that by saying oo its not quite finished. There full of crap.

Im pretty sure if they spent 1 year working on a new major OS version and new phone, id say 1/2 a month is spent on making the OS look a bit prettier or "refined" and of course making other ppls work that theyve copied "prettier", then 11 1/2 months working on what the phone will look like and how much crap they can add to there marketing for release.

I dont think theres anyone capable of coming up with new innovative ideas at apple, there to comfortable sitting on there lazy asses just waiting for the billions of $$$ by misinformed and non tech savvy consumers to throw at them

The iPhone doesn't need to have substantial changes or innovation, because people will buy it anyway regardless. Apple COULD cram more features into the iPhone 5, but if they do that they will have less selling points when it comes to the iPhone 6.

They generally make the minimum number of changes/feature improvements required to get people wanting the new iPhone, so that they will have more features up their sleeve to get people to buy the iPhone 6.

If they put all the latest and greatest in the iPhone 5, they'd sell fewer iPhone 6 models. Apple makes a big deal out of all the small improvements for this reason.

I'm not a fan of Apple or iPhone, but I can say that if I had an iPhone 4S I would still want to upgrade to an iPhone 5, because the new features are still good.

Apple has their user base locked in like a drugs dealer has his flock of junkies. iPhone users are dependant on iTunes for their media and have invested more or less heavily in their apps. This cuts both ways as Apple can't truly innovate without breaking much of their ecosystem and this will have been one of the reasons to not go with a full 720 screen, but just make it taller to get to 16:9.

As soon as someone finds a way to get iTunes to Android or Windows Phone you'll see a shift in the user base very quickly I am sure. If either device would be able to get into iCloud and not be blocked as being a non Apple device things get different fast.

paulheu said,
Apple has their user base locked in like a drugs dealer has his flock of junkies. iPhone users are dependant on iTunes for their media and have invested more or less heavily in their apps. This cuts both ways as Apple can't truly innovate without breaking much of their ecosystem and this will have been one of the reasons to not go with a full 720 screen, but just make it taller to get to 16:9.

As soon as someone finds a way to get iTunes to Android or Windows Phone you'll see a shift in the user base very quickly I am sure. If either device would be able to get into iCloud and not be blocked as being a non Apple device things get different fast.

Won't work! Remember when Palm Pre was released? They hijacked the iTunes software so you could use that phone inside iTunes. They spoofed iTunes to think that the Pre was another iPod. Apple later disabled this and blocked the Pre from attaching to it.

paulheu said,
This cuts both ways as Apple can't truly innovate without breaking much of their ecosystem and this will have been one of the reasons to not go with a full 720 screen, but just make it taller to get to 16:9.
I'm not sure about changing dimentions, but my understanding is that WP8 will be able to natively scale WP7 apps up to the higher resolution screen size. I choose to believe that Apple just chose not to, as the alternative is that Apple programmers are just crappy.

I want info shown on the lock screen. Both other platforms have this already. They did not show this for ios 6 or iphone 5. In may I will jump ship to windows phone 8 and the nokia 920. I have had the past 3 iphones and I am tired of apple playing catch up and not innovating anymore.

Also Most if not all the features of the iphone 5 that are not screen related are on the iphone 4s like the camera, the turn by turn maps, siri improvements. I just updated my iphone 4s with ios6 and its snappier . I do not need to upgrade just for a longer screen.

the biggest problem I have with it or any other new phone, are the stupid share you $ plans verizon and att have now. I have the iphone4, I just put on iOS6 (phone runs a lot faster now) and I'm more than happy keeping my unlimited data plan.

I'm switching from a Galaxy S2 to iPhone 5... I've had the iphones 3, 3GS and 4 and sold the 4 to get the S2.

I thought Android was quite pants when running Gingerbread however the screen quality and speed of the S2 caught my eye.

Today it's running Jelly Bean and its smooth as butter and I think Android is nice, however having compared the apps I used today to the ones I used on iPhone - I still think iPhone apps quality is alot better which is one of the reasons I'm getting a iPhone 5.

The other reason is that my S2 with a new battery and my usage of it doesn't last long battery wise..

hjf288 said,
I'm switching from a Galaxy S2 to iPhone 5... I've had the iphones 3, 3GS and 4 and sold the 4 to get the S2.

I thought Android was quite pants when running Gingerbread however the screen quality and speed of the S2 caught my eye.

Today it's running Jelly Bean and its smooth as butter and I think Android is nice, however having compared the apps I used today to the ones I used on iPhone - I still think iPhone apps quality is alot better which is one of the reasons I'm getting a iPhone 5.

The other reason is that my S2 with a new battery and my usage of it doesn't last long battery wise..


There is a big time Android user at my work who always complains about battery life and thinks that the next big thing in phones needs to be addressing the battery life issue. I'm always like: err, umm you ever try an iPhone? I can got 2 whole days w/o charging my 2 year old iPhone 4! The battery life rocks my socks and was a 2010 feature that Android users are still missing out on.

Shadrack said,

The battery life rocks my socks and was a 2010 feature that Android users are still missing out on.

I can squeeze 3 days of battery life out of my Captivate. Original battery, too!

Shadrack said,

There is a big time Android user at my work who always complains about battery life and thinks that the next big thing in phones needs to be addressing the battery life issue. I'm always like: err, umm you ever try an iPhone? I can got 2 whole days w/o charging my 2 year old iPhone 4! The battery life rocks my socks and was a 2010 feature that Android users are still missing out on.

Two whole days? well I guess you are a person who rarely use it, because I work IT for big enterprises and many people either are complaining that they have to keep their phone charge most of the time to have a full days charge or they are requesting a backup battery which takes away from the beautiful design of the iPhone. So yeah, that's total bull****!

hjf288 said,
I'm switching from a Galaxy S2 to iPhone 5... I've had the iphones 3, 3GS and 4 and sold the 4 to get the S2.

I thought Android was quite pants when running Gingerbread however the screen quality and speed of the S2 caught my eye.

Today it's running Jelly Bean and its smooth as butter and I think Android is nice, however having compared the apps I used today to the ones I used on iPhone - I still think iPhone apps quality is alot better which is one of the reasons I'm getting a iPhone 5.

The other reason is that my S2 with a new battery and my usage of it doesn't last long battery wise..

First thing to note, you are going to lose battery time switching to iOS, unless you have some really nasty App loaded and running the background all the time, or have the governor set to something goofy that keeps the CPU clocked high.

If App quality is a true concern, you just might want to look at a WP8 device. Apps on WP7/WP8 are solid and consistent, which is a drastic departure from Android that has many UI models in every App. WP has an advantage over the iPhone here too, not only in consistency of the App UI but also pure stability.

WP users literally go months without a single App crash, lockup, slowdown, or a restart of their phone. iPhone is better than Android for stability, but neither come close to WP at this time.

iPhone 5 is far from innovation and people would lag towards it just because of iOS and the collection of apps available on it. Windows Phone 8 is surely something to look forward to specially with Nokia Lumia 920. I am definitely going for a Lumia 920.

Ali Jabbar said,
iPhone 5 is far from innovation and people would lag towards it just because of iOS and the collection of apps available on it. Windows Phone 8 is surely something to look forward to specially with Nokia Lumia 920. I am definitely going for a Lumia 920.

920 is innovation. Great design, originality at it's finest. I think fanboys of all platforms feel something for the Lumia 920.

Another thing is that competition, Android, has gotten where Steve didn't want to. It took all the main software that the iOS offered: Mail, Visual Voice Mails, Web Browsing, etc... and made it better, plus adding features that iOS didn't have.

Now iOS is trying to implement those features. That is why people is feeling nothing towards the iPhone: they had those features all time along...

Mark Thomas said,
So yeh. Customers are indecisive eh? and yet they've sold a bucket load of these already. What the **** are you on?

Popularity doesn't seal a deal for anything.

You know who else sold a bunch of flagship devices? Samsung and between the two companies, I'd put my dollar on Samsung for sales.

However, as popular as Samsung's SIII is, I went for the HTC One X, purely based on build quality.

Same thing goes for some Apple consumers. Apple sales have always been great anyway, it doesn't mean that a few people out of the existing market will stick with Apple. People always want change.

Mark Thomas said,
So yeh. Customers are indecisive eh? and yet they've sold a bucket load of these already. What the **** are you on?

There's a reason that this article has isheep on it... people who would buy a pile of crap if Apple Sold it. It's no wonder that they sell so many right away and it's not because the do the best phone in the market.

You know what? A friend that I have, who has a strong connection with Apple products, told me that he wasn't expecting anything from the conference, but nothing surprised him about the iPhone (I was quite astonished when he told me that). He nailed me when he said he was purchasing a Samsung Galaxy SII today at a very good price....

Yeah they are in a tough position, they know that most people will upgrade anyway, they know iphones are popular and will continue to sell so its a risk for them to greatly vary the(worrking and solid) the design of functionality just because its getting stale.

I think its the case that the marketing dept have overhyped them as being innovative and ground breaking and now people have come to expect this and when they are presented with evolution it doesn't meet the hype anymore.

"[...] and if you should buy an iPhone it should be based on nothing but familiarity with the OS, because like I said previously; in terms of hardware and software, this iPhone seems to be lacking something."

How do you know that there are no other reasons for getting an iPhone?

Getting the iPhone 5 in 64GB in black, upgrading from the iPhone 4 32GB.

GS:mac

Glassed Silver said,
"[...] and if you should buy an iPhone it should be based on nothing but familiarity with the OS, because like I said previously; in terms of hardware and software, this iPhone seems to be lacking something."

How do you know that there are no other reasons for getting an iPhone?

Getting the iPhone 5 in 64GB in black, upgrading from the iPhone 4 32GB.

GS:mac

I wouldn't have minded an iPhone 5, but between Apple services and Google apps, I'd pick Google. However, Apple's app store experience is still dominant by far.

Then again, Android's more recent functionality and consistency refinements have far superior to Apple's. This is the part where iPhone users say: "nothing needs to be refined." Wrong. Everything does over time, aesthetics change and ways of doing things generally become easier due to that. Google's voice control enhancements including Google Now are a great argument for that.

Name one significant enhancement of the iPhone 5. This isn't a "all iPhones are behind with the times" post, because the 4S was relevant and so was Siri. I felt the build up for the iPhone 5 was so tense and the product which Apple delivered just seemed average. Again, that's my opinion. The fact I'm interested in everyone's views is why I wrote this.

I'm really eager to hear from Android consumers who are jumping ship to Apple more so than anything.

I agree that iOS starts to feel a bit boring. But the iPhone is an incredibly well designed and polished product, both hardware and software wise. I gladly take this any day over the unpolished Android stuff coming out every month.

It's nothing to do with being a fanboy. I've owned both iPhone and Android phones, and they way Apple pay attention to details and simplicity is very satisfying to me.

With that said, I do hope they spice up iOS a bit.

Mackster said,
I agree that iOS starts to feel a bit boring. But the iPhone is an incredibly well designed and polished product, both hardware and software wise. I gladly take this any day over the unpolished Android stuff coming out every month.

It's nothing to do with being a fanboy. I've owned both iPhone and Android phones, and they way Apple pay attention to details and simplicity is very satisfying to me.

With that said, I do hope they spice up iOS a bit.

I agree. iOS could use some new UI features. But everything in iOS just works, and it's stable.

I don't care how great the s3 is hardware wise. It runs android which to me is a pain to use.

My touchpad runs android, and the apps are seriously lacking in refinement.

Mackster said,
But the iPhone is an incredibly well designed and polished product, both hardware and software wise.

I disagree, while it looks great, iphone 4s is very hard to hold and pretty much requires a case, which in my opinion is a fail of a design

Mackster said,
I agree that iOS starts to feel a bit boring. But the iPhone is an incredibly well designed and polished product, both hardware and software wise. I gladly take this any day over the unpolished Android stuff coming out every month.

It's nothing to do with being a fanboy. I've owned both iPhone and Android phones, and they way Apple pay attention to details and simplicity is very satisfying to me.

With that said, I do hope they spice up iOS a bit.

Couldn't have said it better myself. If I were in the market for a new phone, it would be between the iPhone 5 and the Lumia 920. But I would probably lean towards the iPhone 5 because I know that Apple can make a phone that will still look great 2-3 years from now. AirPlay is another big reason I would choose iPhone over the rest.

Was iOS 6 pretty boring? Compared to previous releases it fell short. But I reject the notion that an os UI needs to be redesigned every release just for the hell of it. Takt that out and Google's conference was just as lame. Playing catch up with the Nexus 7 was the biggest announcement.

This editorial is nothing more than a flame. It amounts to the typical "you are stupid for not buying what I buy" type of drivel that is common in the Engadget comments section and represents a new low point coming out of Neowin.

Shadrack said,

But I would probably lean towards the iPhone 5 because I know that Apple can make a phone that will still look great 2-3 years from now.
You should be set because IOS will look the same 20 years from now.... Now that is just boring to me but great for people who don't like "Change".

dogmatix said,
When my iphone 4S contract expires I will revert to Nokia - which I regret having left. I prefer functional to pretty.

Now you can get both. The new Lumia 820 and 920 are simply gorgeous.

Enron said,
Fail editorial if Lumia 920 is not part of your discussion.

We've got another editorial in the works for that .

Enron said,
Fail editorial if Lumia 920 is not part of your discussion.

The guy is talking from an Android user POV and if he has no interest in what Windows Phone is doing that's fine for an editorial which is an opinion piece by default.

Raa said,
I'm not seeing it...

Blind? Try even a Windows phone 7. Those things are so awesome. One of my mates got one and his conclusion is that WP is the best mobile OS by a long way. I might get my GF a Lumia early next year. Her android is a bit old.

DrakeN2k said,
Android and IOS get worried there is a new dark horse on the horizon which is Windows Phone.

Yeah I'm sure everybody is really worried about a 3.6% market share (and dwindling)

I am getting a '5', as im giving my 4s to my sister.
But as for what SHOULD of been in the phone? Well the other day you guys posted the concept video... the stuff in that, would of been brilliant!
To be honest thou - for day to day usage of the phone, most of us wont even care that such and such is the new feature.
I just use my phone as any normal person would. Phone calls, sms, facebook, and watching tv shows/movies on the train to work and back. If it can do that stuff, really, anything more is a bonus.

If that's what you do with your phone then I humbly suggest there are other phones that will enhance your experience more than the 5.

Anarkii said,
But as for what SHOULD of been in the phone?

How about: non stale UI, wireless charging, NFC, 60 hz display, clearblack, floating lens camera, ability to use with gloves/keys and other objects, augmented reality, higher PPI than iphone 5, ability to control all app functions with voice.

Oh wait, there is a phone that does all that and it's called Lumia 920

Anarkii said,
I am getting a '5', as im giving my 4s to my sister.
But as for what SHOULD of been in the phone? Well the other day you guys posted the concept video... the stuff in that, would of been brilliant!
To be honest thou - for day to day usage of the phone, most of us wont even care that such and such is the new feature.
I just use my phone as any normal person would. Phone calls, sms, facebook, and watching tv shows/movies on the train to work and back. If it can do that stuff, really, anything more is a bonus.

Any modern touch smartphone can do those things.

P.S. People, would you PLEASE stop writing "Should of", etc. It means nothing.
English is my third language and even I know that.

FoxieFoxie said,

How about: non stale UI, wireless charging, NFC, 60 hz display, clearblack, floating lens camera, ability to use with gloves/keys and other objects, augmented reality, higher PPI than iphone 5, ability to control all app functions with voice.

Oh wait, there is a phone that does all that and it's called Lumia 920

That's great and all....

But it runs windows....


Fail.

FoxieFoxie said,

How about: non stale UI, wireless charging, NFC, 60 hz display, clearblack, floating lens camera, ability to use with gloves/keys and other objects, augmented reality, higher PPI than iphone 5, ability to control all app functions with voice.

Oh wait, there is a phone that does all that and it's called Lumia 920

Also, seriously, what's the point in NFC atm? It hasn't really taken off yet, and wireless charging?

You still have to have a plug in the wall, you might save a split second of your life by not having to 'plug in' the phone itself (which the new connector is reversible, so easier). The only benefit I see is if you have multiple devices to lay on a charging pad.

And all these extras you mention add bulk to the phone, that's why the Lumia is a lot thicker than the iPhone 5.

FoxieFoxie said,

How about: non stale UI, wireless charging, NFC, 60 hz display, clearblack, floating lens camera, ability to use with gloves/keys and other objects, augmented reality, higher PPI than iphone 5, ability to control all app functions with voice.

Oh wait, there is a phone that does all that and it's called Lumia 920

Sounds great. Shame it's let down by its poor UI design.

FoxieFoxie said,

How about: non stale UI, wireless charging, NFC, 60 hz display, clearblack, floating lens camera, ability to use with gloves/keys and other objects, augmented reality, higher PPI than iphone 5, ability to control all app functions with voice.

Oh wait, there is a phone that does all that and it's called Lumia 920

Have to agree with what he said and add to that a 4.5" (instead of 4") screen since you mentioned watching movies on your train ride. I have a Lumia 800 they sent me for free (doubt I'll get so lucky again) and I listen to internet radio often at work. Sometimes I still charge it every other day. Nokia's phones have great battery life and WP8 should have great battery management to complement that.

There is also the Galaxy S3 (or Note 2) which has some of the same benefits as the Lumia 920 and has been available for a bit at a good price now.

Unless you're that heavily invested into iOS, I would do my research. I was an Android user since the G1 (well MyTocuh 3G which was identical sans the keyboard) but a Lumia 800 (not a 900 even) made me switch.

Binary said,
and wireless charging?

You still have to have a plug in the wall

Say what?!

Normal charging -> Connect and disconnect the cable to the phone every single time.
Wireless charging -> Plug once

eddman said,

Say what?!

Normal charging -> Connect and disconnect the cable to the phone every single time.
Wireless charging -> Plug once

As I said it saves a little time. That's all. You still have cables everywhere. Plugging the new iPhone connecter in is about the same effort as placing the phone on a pad/dock/whatever.

Binary said,

As I said it saves a little time. That's all. You still have cables everywhere. Plugging the new iPhone connecter in is about the same effort as placing the phone on a pad/dock/whatever.

Except that Nokia is working with an existing standard (most Apple fans won't be familiar with that concept) so that you can top-up your charge, without wires, throughout the day at places like cafe's, restaurants etc. All you will have to do is place your phone on the table.

Pygmy_Hippo said,

Except that Nokia is working with an existing standard (most Apple fans won't be familiar with that concept) so that you can top-up your charge, without wires, throughout the day at places like cafe's, restaurants etc. All you will have to do is place your phone on the table.

Call me when bars and restaurants have these charging stations in place.

Every place I've been to has iPhone cables somewhere, and they'll still have these with the new connector whether it be lightening cables or with adapters.

Binary said,

That's great and all....

But it runs windows....


Fail.

Sorry, but it's your comment that is fail here.

Have you even used Windows Phone for any appreciable length of time? I'm betting not.

I own an Android Phone (SGS2) and this next time around I'm moving over wo WP simply because I tried it a few weeks back, and really really like it. It's fresh looking, and not stale. Unlike iOS that hasn't changed visually at all for over 5 years.

Binary said,
As I said it saves a little time. That's all. You still have cables everywhere. Plugging the new iPhone connecter in is about the same effort as placing the phone on a pad/dock/whatever.

The term wireless charging refers to the connection to the phone. Of course you have to have a plate or charging page plugged in. But the point is that you only need one. If you have multiple devices, they all sit on the same pad. The goal with this technology is for your whole desk to be a wireless charging pad. Doing away with the need for power cables for your phone, your tablet, your keyboard, your mouse and your monitor, and replacing them all with a single power cable for your desk.

Binary said,

Also, seriously, what's the point in NFC atm? It hasn't really taken off yet, and wireless charging?

You still have to have a plug in the wall, you might save a split second of your life by not having to 'plug in' the phone itself (which the new connector is reversible, so easier). The only benefit I see is if you have multiple devices to lay on a charging pad.

And all these extras you mention add bulk to the phone, that's why the Lumia is a lot thicker than the iPhone 5.

NFC will not take off unless there are units that support it. Also, the Lumia has an ergonomical design that fits perfectly in your hand. You can't say that about the iPhone, and if you've ever tried a Lumia, you would know.

Binary said,

Call me when bars and restaurants have these charging stations in place.

Every place I've been to has iPhone cables somewhere, and they'll still have these with the new connector whether it be lightening cables or with adapters.

Apple fanboy in denial. I thought we didn't have those here.

I bet if iphone 5 had wireless charging and not 920, you would've bragged about it to no end.

Binary said,

Also, seriously, what's the point in NFC atm? It hasn't really taken off yet, and wireless charging?

You still have to have a plug in the wall, you might save a split second of your life by not having to 'plug in' the phone itself (which the new connector is reversible, so easier). The only benefit I see is if you have multiple devices to lay on a charging pad.

And all these extras you mention add bulk to the phone, that's why the Lumia is a lot thicker than the iPhone 5.

It's MORE than just shopping centers and such

You can buy small stickers, place them in your home, program them and do all sorts of crazy things, like: once you get back home and put your phone on the desk, it automatically starts playing your favorite music and even dims lights.

This is how they look

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.eng...012/06/samsung-tectiles.jpg

Binary said,

Call me when bars and restaurants have these charging stations in place.

Every place I've been to has iPhone cables somewhere, and they'll still have these with the new connector whether it be lightening cables or with adapters.

They do, Nokia partnered with Virgin Atlantic and The Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf so you can charge your phone while sipping tea or waiting at the airport lounge

FoxieFoxie said,

How about: non stale UI, wireless charging, NFC, 60 hz display, clearblack, floating lens camera, ability to use with gloves/keys and other objects, augmented reality, higher PPI than iphone 5, ability to control all app functions with voice.

Oh wait, there is a phone that does all that and it's called Lumia 920


Non-stale UI: Subjective. I find Android UI very inconsistent and unpolished, with poor touch response. And the 3 buttons at the bottom of the phone are a pain in the neck.
Wireless charging: You can't use your device for calls, etc... while its charging. Useless.
NFC: This is really the only feature I miss but this is only because NFC is widespread where I live (Japan). If you live in the US, not so much.
60Hz display: Don't know what the iPhone 5 display has, but frankly I doubt that I'd need that on my phone. My TV on the other hand does 120Hz, which is a good thing since that's what I use to watch movies.
ClearBack: Any real world comparison between Nokia's technology and the new iPhone 5 display?
Floating lens camera: Not a photo geek. I have absolutely no idea how this is better than what the iPhone 5 does. Also the camera on my iPhone is mostly used for Skype and it does an excellent job.
Ability to use with gloves/keys and other objects: Why would I want to use my phone using keys and other objects?
Augmented reality: Like Acrossair, Spyglass or Google Goggles on my iPhone?
Higher PPI: 326 ppi on a 4" screen (iPhone 5) is one of the highest ppi for a smartphone.
Control app functions with voice: Siri does it, but to me, voice control is annoying and useless (Siri included), at least with current technology. And if you're multilingual, believe me it's even worse than useless (consumer grade voice recognition can't detect the language automatically).

So yeah, NFC alone is not enough to make me switch to a different phone.

a0me said,

So yeah, NFC alone is not enough to make me switch to a different phone.

1. Since when 920 runs on android?!
2. LOL, 60 Hz display means that the UI will (almost) always run at 60 FPS, which is "smooth" in layman's terms. It's not a TV.
3. I suggest you read or watch clearblack display comparisons in direct sunlight against other phones. You'll see.
4. Floating lens camera; It's for optical image stabilization, which can't be beat by any digital stabilization method; and you use the main back camera for video call?!!
5. LOLL, keys?! Did you miss the glove part?
6. Augmented reality, like nokia city lens.

eddman said,

Apple fanboy in denial. I thought we didn't have those here.

I bet if iphone 5 had wireless charging and not 920, you would've bragged about it to no end.

Who really cares about wireless charging?

Once again another topic about iPhone where people bash people because they bought a product. Is it your money? No. Should you care? No.

Dinggus said,
Who really cares about wireless charging?

Why not? Sounds pretty convenient. Even more so if you have a bunch of devices that you store/charge in the same area and aren't a fan of untangling a bunch of different power cables.

Max Norris said,

Why not? Sounds pretty convenient. Even more so if you have a bunch of devices that you store/charge in the same area and aren't a fan of untangling a bunch of different power cables.

I understand that, but I'm not going to buy a phone because it has the feature. I'm going to buy a phone because I like it.

Dinggus said,

Who really cares about wireless charging?

Once again another topic about iPhone where people bash people because they bought a product. Is it your money? No. Should you care? No.

I don't care who bought what. I actually think iphones are very good phones. My problem is with arrogant people who always like to bend the truth or downplay a rival product's features. This applies to all brand fanboys and not just apple's.

I'm not saying 920 is perfect either; the lower bezel is a bit too big, the phone size is about a GS III but the screen is smaller, it's not a thin phone and is a bit heavy, though maybe the reason are the camera and wireless charging; don't know.

EDIT: and it lacks a radio; Might be an issue for some. Also they didn't mention anything about the TV-out capability. WP7 doesn't have it and was hoping to see it on WP8 phones.

Edited by eddman, Sep 15 2012, 3:19pm :

eddman said,

EDIT: and it lacks a radio; Might be an issue for some. Also they didn't mention anything about the TV-out capability. WP7 doesn't have it and was hoping to see it on WP8 phones.

Nokia phones do DLNA which covers TV-out (amongst other things).

eddman said,

Apple fanboy in denial. I thought we didn't have those here.

I bet if iphone 5 had wireless charging and not 920, you would've bragged about it to no end.

How am I a fanboy? because I stated a fact, that almost every retail place out there has charging cords and peripherals for the iPhone?

Can't deny fact.

Also, get back to me when major car manufacturers start including other companies propriety chargers/docks.

FoxieFoxie said,

It's MORE than just shopping centers and such

You can buy small stickers, place them in your home, program them and do all sorts of crazy things, like: once you get back home and put your phone on the desk, it automatically starts playing your favorite music and even dims lights.

This is how they look

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.eng...012/06/samsung-tectiles.jpg

Hmm, you mean the same things programs can do when your phone comes within proximity of your computer (via bluetooth) and can trigger scripts to do just about anything? Without the need for a sticker.

Don't get me wrong, that is neat though. it can just be done in other ways already.

Using my above method, I could have my computer start iTunes, and send airplay to my ihome speakers throughout the house as soon as I walk in the door, if I so wished.

nickcruz said,
Plugin in a connector no matter how easy it is is quite different than just droping your phone on a base to charge.

Can you make a call when your phone is charging on its base? Can you use the camera?
Wireless charging is nice and all, but you have to admit that current technology has some serious limitations, particularly when using it with mobile devices.

Binary said,

How am I a fanboy? because I stated a fact, that almost every retail place out there has charging cords and peripherals for the iPhone?

Can't deny fact.

Show me EXACTLY where I denied that. You can't, because I didn't.

Binary said,
Also, get back to me when major car manufacturers start including other companies propriety chargers/docks.

Sure, the hell with the standards. Let's all go and get our own propriety connector. It's so fun. /S

eddman said,

1. Since when 920 runs on android?!
2. LOL, 60 Hz display means that the UI will (almost) always run at 60 FPS, which is "smooth" in layman's terms. It's not a TV.
3. I suggest you read or watch clearblack display comparisons in direct sunlight against other phones. You'll see.
4. Floating lens camera; It's for optical image stabilization, which can't be beat by any digital stabilization method; and you use the main back camera for video call?!!
5. LOLL, keys?! Did you miss the glove part?
6. Augmented reality, like nokia city lens.


And they say that Apple users are arrogant... Dude, you take the cake.

1. With all these numbers (who comes up with those?) I thought that was another Android. My bad.
2. I look at the FPS numbers for games or video playback, but for your phone's UI? Seriously?
3. It's pretty sunny over here, never had any trouble reading what's on the screen of my iPhone. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?
4. I'll keep this in mind when I shoot my next car chase...
BTW, switching to the back camera on Skype is a lot easier when you want to show your surroundings. Also, after Nokia faked its camera demo at the press event, their credibility is not so hot.
5. You're the one mentioning using keys and other objects. And gloves? Does this have any real practical use (I only wear gloves when I ski)?
6. Seems to me that there's already a bunch of apps that do basically the same thing on Android and iPhone too. Never used them (except for Google Goggles) but it's a software feature that seems to be very easy to reproduce if you're into that.

Edited by a0me, Sep 15 2012, 6:11pm :

a0me said,

And they say that Apple users are arrogant... Dude, you take the cake.

Yeah, I'm a "All Brands" fanboy. /S
I just corrected where you got it wrong. That's all.

1. Sorry, but it means you don't even care.
2. Yes, seriously. High FPS comes into play while scrolling. Not that it's that big of a deal, but still makes things smoother.
3. Never said you have a problem, but did you even look clearback up? It makes a difference.
4. A car chase? Even walking results in choppy videos. So image stabilization isn't important now and no one should try and improve things?
5. I didn't suggest "keys", I asked in disbelief. No one uses keys for that.
6. Again I only answered what you asked. Yes, there are similar apps.

FoxieFoxie said,

How about: non stale UI, wireless charging, NFC, 60 hz display, clearblack, floating lens camera, ability to use with gloves/keys and other objects, augmented reality, higher PPI than iphone 5, ability to control all app functions with voice.

Oh wait, there is a phone that does all that and it's called Lumia 920

unfortunately it runs windows and nobody likes it

eddman said,

Show me EXACTLY where I denied that. You can't, because I didn't.

Sure, the hell with the standards. Let's all go and get our own propriety connector. It's so fun. /S

No, you just made baseless accusations of me being a fanboy.

Propriety may not be the best case scenario, but it's still a fact that Apple has the backing, and support of many companies, that the others do not.

nickcruz said,

I just loged in to say you are a fckng idiot, and it's typical of the isheeps. Plugin in a connector no matter how easy it is is quite different than just droping your phone on a base to charge. Watch whenever Apple adds wireless charging, the same isheeps like you calling it just a fancy feature would be calling it revolutionary. This is the reason why I really dislike you isheeps.

Heh.

So just because I feel something is not necessary (at this stage in the game, if it were over the air charging - diff. story).

Even if it were in the iPhone.

I'm a sheep.

I've owned many devices with many different operating systems and I don't judge them unless I've used them. Yet, somehow because I feel NFC and Wireless charging aren't the 'bees knees' I'm a fanboy, and a sheep.

I get how neowin works now.

Tell you what, go look up my history on these forums... then get back to me.

I've done more for the Windows scene in my day, than I ever have for the Mac scene.

Now I remember exactly why I chose to jump ship. Mindless windows zealots with no appreciation or respect for anyone elses opinions or choices...

Binary said,

That's great and all....

But it runs windows....


Fail.

You fail because you are super BIAS. All 3 platforms are great, as for my taste, I like both Android and WP8

jesseinsf said,
You fail because you are super BIAS. All 3 platforms are great, as for my taste, I like both Android and WP8

How am I bias? I've used them all.

I see a lot of assumptions against others as being fanboys, bias, sheep. With no evidence whatsoever.

Right now, WP8 lacks a lot in comparison to iOS. Sorry, but it does. So does Android.

Yes, each platform may have it's own perks, and features that stand apart from the rest, but iOS has had both the time, and backing to make it a successful platform. The others may follow, but they just aren't there yet imho.

I really don't get the need for the insults hurled at people, especially me, when I barely ever take part in these conversations.

So, I'm out.

I should also note as an edit, that when I said 'windows' I meant Windows phone. Not the whole windows platform. Sorry if some posts were based on that.

This is my opinion on everything: it's like choosing between a car, a van, or a pickup truck. Is one of those three the best vehicle available? Not exactly. Each one has their differences, their advantages and disadvantages. Same applies to these smartphones. There is no one car for every person, and there is no one smartphone for every person. You just got to keep trying and trying until you see what fits.

I think we just all need a more open mind and think more about what the other person/people are saying. And I mean all of us need to, not just one side or the other. I don't like people being cocky and saying things like "no one likes something" or "everyone loves something", because as far as I know, people can't make assumptions about what everyone wants or likes. That's why there are still different smartphones around, because there isn't something, nor will there ever be anything, that absolutely everyone wants or likes. Some people don't care about certain features, while others might. I personally don't care about the pixel density of any device, but others might.

Can't we all just get along?

Binary said,

Call me when bars and restaurants have these charging stations in place.

Every place I've been to has iPhone cables somewhere, and they'll still have these with the new connector whether it be lightening cables or with adapters.

Using unknown iPhone cables is a serious security risk, you do understand this, right?

thenetavenger said,

Using unknown iPhone cables is a serious security risk, you do understand this, right?

Come Again?

Using a cable plugged into a wall socket is a security risk?

I guess USB cables are too then, or my toasters plug....

/tinfoil-hat

Binary said,

How am I a fanboy? because I stated a fact, that almost every retail place out there has charging cords and peripherals for the iPhone?

Can't deny fact.

Also, get back to me when major car manufacturers start including other companies propriety chargers/docks.

As far as I know many car manufacturers are now including USB ports.

Binary said,

How am I bias? I've used them all.

I see a lot of assumptions against others as being fanboys, bias, sheep. With no evidence whatsoever.

Right now, WP8 lacks a lot in comparison to iOS. Sorry, but it does. So does Android.

Yes, each platform may have it's own perks, and features that stand apart from the rest, but iOS has had both the time, and backing to make it a successful platform. The others may follow, but they just aren't there yet imho.

I really don't get the need for the insults hurled at people, especially me, when I barely ever take part in these conversations.

So, I'm out.

I should also note as an edit, that when I said 'windows' I meant Windows phone. Not the whole windows platform. Sorry if some posts were based on that.

That is a simple explanation. You said, "But it runs windows....
Fail."
That shows a bias towards something. You gave no supporting evidence except the act that it runs windows. That to me at least means you are biased against Windows.

FoxieFoxie said,
ability to use with gloves/keys and other objects,

eddman said,
5. I didn't suggest "keys", I asked in disbelief. No one uses keys for that.

You both totally lost me.

Binary said,

How am I bias? I've used them all.

I see a lot of assumptions against others as being fanboys, bias, sheep. With no evidence whatsoever.

Right now, WP8 lacks a lot in comparison to iOS. Sorry, but it does. So does Android.

Yes, each platform may have it's own perks, and features that stand apart from the rest, but iOS has had both the time, and backing to make it a successful platform. The others may follow, but they just aren't there yet imho.

I really don't get the need for the insults hurled at people, especially me, when I barely ever take part in these conversations.

So, I'm out.

I should also note as an edit, that when I said 'windows' I meant Windows phone. Not the whole windows platform. Sorry if some posts were based on that.

Any reasons to backup your claim that iOS beats Android and WP8? Somemore did Microsoft reveal all the new features of WP8 already?

eddman said,

P.S. People, would you PLEASE stop writing "Should of", etc. It means nothing.
English is my third language and even I know that.

your head must have exploded, then, when reading this poorly written "article". it's tough to get past the syntax and grammar errors made by an ostensibly professional writer.