Intel waiting for key update before going Vista

If it's not good enough for Intel, is it good enough for you? We're talking Microsoft's Windows Vista, which the chip giant's CEO, Paul Otellini, this week indicated has not won the backing of his technology experts. "I know of no organisation doing an upgrade before [Service Pack 1]," Paul Otellini told attendees of the Bank of America Technology Conference held in San Francisco this week, according to a ZDnet blog. "Intel isn't upgrading either."

Vista is "closer to the Mac than we've been on the Windows side for a long time", Otellini added. Otellini has praised the Apple operating system before, and is believed to have played a key role in persuading the Mac maker to adopt his company's processor technology.

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I Wouldn't be surprised if this is the case; with so many corporations and consumers waiting for SP1 I imagine it will be released sooner rather than later.

Dragoro said,
Sp1 is supposed to come out in June or July. Sorry,Cant remember where I read that or Id provide a link.

It'll be released when the Server version is ready, all the changes/fixes they're making in longhorn server also count for Vista, same codebase. I don't think it'll be that early though, my guess would be Aug or Sept?

I wonder why there are so many conflicting reports on the speed of Vista...some people say they're running on 4 year old 1.5GHz machines no problem, others say it runs like crap on anything less than a 2GHz. Is it driver issues, or what?

My Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (OCed to 2.6GHz) runs it fine, as it should, my problem is the Vista drivers for my GeForce 7900GT are pathetic...otherwise I probably would have upgraded 4 months ago...

My company is waiting to upgrade as well, for two main reasons:
1. Other than improved deployment and more security, it really doesn't offer any advantages for business users. And when you've already deployed XP, and you have a decent firewall/virus protection strategy, it really has no advantage over XP.

2. Much of the networking staff has a general distrust of anything from Microsoft. Even if Vista was perfect, they'd still wait until SP1 before they even considered using it.

JonathanMarston said,
I wonder why there are so many conflicting reports on the speed of Vista...some people say they're running on 4 year old 1.5GHz machines no problem, others say it runs like crap on anything less than a 2GHz. Is it driver issues, or what?

My Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (OCed to 2.6GHz) runs it fine, as it should, my problem is the Vista drivers for my GeForce 7900GT are pathetic...otherwise I probably would have upgraded 4 months ago...

My company is waiting to upgrade as well, for two main reasons:
1. Other than improved deployment and more security, it really doesn't offer any advantages for business users. And when you've already deployed XP, and you have a decent firewall/virus protection strategy, it really has no advantage over XP.

2. Much of the networking staff has a general distrust of anything from Microsoft. Even if Vista was perfect, they'd still wait until SP1 before they even considered using it.

Ok take this scenario:

Machine 1:

P4 2.6Ghz w/HT
1G PC3200 Ram
80G WD 7200 rpm drive
120G Seagate 7200 rpm drive (slave)
2x Benq DVDr
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 256MB card
GigaByte GA-8IPE1000 (Rev 1.x) Mobo

Ran Vista just fine. No problems.

Upgraded that machine to this:

Machine 2:

Pentium D 820 (dual core machine 2x2.8Ghz)
ASUS P5PE-VM mobo
Rest of specs identical

Runs Vista like crap.

Same Intel driver revision used, and a better power supply is used with machine #2.

Tell me how that makes any sense at all.... I went to Windows XP Pro x64 and everything is smooth as silk.

Somnus said,

Ok take this scenario:

Machine 1:

P4 2.6Ghz w/HT
1G PC3200 Ram
80G WD 7200 rpm drive
120G Seagate 7200 rpm drive (slave)
2x Benq DVDr
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 256MB card
GigaByte GA-8IPE1000 (Rev 1.x) Mobo

Ran Vista just fine. No problems.

Upgraded that machine to this:

Machine 2:

Pentium D 820 (dual core machine 2x2.8Ghz)
ASUS P5PE-VM mobo
Rest of specs identical

Runs Vista like crap.

Same Intel driver revision used, and a better power supply is used with machine #2.

Tell me how that makes any sense at all.... I went to Windows XP Pro x64 and everything is smooth as silk.

It could just be a minor difference in Asus over GigaByte, though the chipsets are the same and the driver revision, there must be a difference somewhere.

Well, you can bet for sure that Intel knows when SP1 is coming, actually, we'll probably have it by the end of the year since it's timed with the release of the Server version.

things are that bad , i just tried connecting a t mobile web and walk to windows vista for a mate of mine and my god the laptop runs slow as hell with it on , i basicly had to install xp for her so she could get online , sure it isnt the fault of windows because t mobile havent worked on a driver for it but the laptop in genral is just horrid , always pastering you for stuff you dont care about plus when i put xp on it it ran twice as fast , if this is ms vision of the future they can keep it , the whole point of evolving is making things faster not making things slower

Vista is faster than XP with higher end computers. That means that in the future, Vista will be running better than XP on the average computer.

Slimy said,
Vista is faster than XP with higher end computers. That means that in the future, Vista will be running better than XP on the average computer.


ahh but stick with xp on the high end systems that vista uses and your have a very fast pc

Fubar said,
things are that bad , i just tried connecting a t mobile web and walk to windows vista for a mate of mine and my god the laptop runs slow as hell with it on , i basicly had to install xp for her so she could get online , sure it isnt the fault of windows because t mobile havent worked on a driver for it but the laptop in genral is just horrid , always pastering you for stuff you dont care about plus when i put xp on it it ran twice as fast , if this is ms vision of the future they can keep it , the whole point of evolving is making things faster not making things slower :s

You said it yourself, bad driver, what other drivers did the laptop use that aren't Vista ready yet? A simple chipset driver can kill your performence easy.

Fubar said,


ahh but stick with xp on the high end systems that vista uses and your have a very fast pc :)

No it doesn't work that way. It's like how XP is faster than 2k on any of today's average computer. (including boot-up times :P)

Really, who cares when they upgrade? Our company is waiting and it has nothing to do with Vista. It has to do with support. When you have thousands of PCs to support, gearing up for that kind of change is fairly large. Helpdesk people need to know Vista first. Custom apps need to be corrected to work with IE7. That doesn't mean Vista is bad. It means that Intel is slow, just like our company is.

selphj said,
Really, who cares when they upgrade? Our company is waiting and it has nothing to do with Vista. It has to do with support. When you have thousands of PCs to support, gearing up for that kind of change is fairly large. Helpdesk people need to know Vista first. Custom apps need to be corrected to work with IE7. That doesn't mean Vista is bad. It means that Intel is slow, just like our company is.

It's not about being slow, it's about support and stability. Companies don't like to do beta testing on their own time and using their own resources. When Vista is a proven OS, the major bugs are fixed, and there's widespread support, then many companies will start upgrading.

But many will probably skip Vista altogether since MS claims it's going to release a new OS in two years. It's going to take two years for Vista to become mainstream, right now its marketshare is less than Linux.

If MS released an amazing new OS people would want to upgrade, but they didn't. Vista is not exciting enough to be worth the hassle of early adoption. Why bother?