Intel's Clover Trail has 99 problems, Linux aint one

Intel has stated that its Clover Trail chips will not support Linux and that the chip is for Windows 8. While the processor is in the x86 family which means that it can technically run Linux, Intel will not be supporting that use case which will likely turn off nearly all vendors from using the chip in anything other than a Windows environment.

Intel has stated that the Clover Trail is a "Windows 8 Chip" and that it "cannot run Linux", as stated by The Inquirer. The company states that they will not be supporting Linux on the chip and that Windows 8 will be the driving force for sales of the chip. The crux of their decision was around Linux not supporting the same system calls as Windows related to P-states and C-states that can shut down cores on the processor in order to save battery. In short, if you use the processor with Linux, battery life will be poor when compared to the Windows alternative. 

The move is a bold endeavor for Intel as it is putting its weight behind Windows 8 by only officially supporting the Windows platform. Seeing as the company has other processors that support the Linux platform, this is hardly a snub at the OS, but certainly doesn't bode well for the relationship between the chip maker and the OS.

Source: The Inquirer

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So Clover Trail will never be heard of again then lol. It's being produced soley for an OS (Windows 8) that's universally hated. I hope Intel limits its production to < 1 million chips, because that's all it's going to sell.

simplezz said,
So Clover Trail will never be heard of again then lol. It's being produced soley for an OS (Windows 8) that's universally hated. I hope Intel limits its production to < 1 million chips, because that's all it's going to sell.

We are talking about windows here, not linux.

Simple, get a decompiler, decompile the various files in windows 8 related to CPU and power control, implement in a test kernel module and relase it for free and watch as MS gets pretty ****ed off!

Mike Frett said,
Going to laugh my a$$ off at Intel and Microsoft in the end.

and the end is finally in sight.... F*** both of them

Sonne said,

and the end is finally in sight.... F*** both of them


You guys really ARE delusional if you think either company is going anywhere.

I s this new chip more powerful or is it just "designed" for Windows 8. I would prefer it to be more powerful please !!
Take away competition and you stifle productivity.

Caveman-ugh said,
I s this new chip more powerful or is it just "designed" for Windows 8. I would prefer it to be more powerful please !!
Take away competition and you stifle productivity.

Restricting hardware to a particular platform is anti competitive. It sounds like intel are desperate for something.

I know you're punning on the old Jay-Z song, but can you tell us some of the other 'problems' with the chips? By the title, you're insinuating that not officially supporting Linux is just one thing they won't have a problem with on a problem ridden platform.

nik louch said,
Whoever wrote this needs shooting. Please proof and read things back to yourself.

Whoever came up with this brilliant new piece of hardware should be shot and everything he/she owns gets sold and donated.

If it does not support Linux, I am not buying it. I am sure some guru will come out with a driver. It used to be that Windows didn't run on Intel Macs.

68k said,
If it does not support Linux, I am not buying it. I am sure some guru will come out with a driver. It used to be that Windows didn't run on Intel Macs.

You can install linux on it, intel just don't support it since linux don't support the pwoer saving features.

68k said,
It used to be that Windows didn't run on Intel Macs.

Windows has been able to run on Intel Macs almost since day one. What the hell are you talking about?

ArialBlue said,
Profit doesn't lie in those who use a free operating system.

Right, because those using a free OS are downloading their hardware from torrents.

I guess they shouldn't sell glasses that support tap water either, there's no profit to be made there. Buy mineral water or drink straight from the tap.

I would rather they realy optimize the chip for Windows rather then put resources on a small minority that are going to want linux on it.

Melfster said,
I would rather they realy optimize the chip for Windows rather then put resources on a small minority that are going to want linux on it.

I would rather they optimize it for more than Windows. they can still profit on non Windows systems.

Clover Trail is the new Atom. Basically, it's Intel's shot at ARM.
I'm not seeing it as such a big deal that it won't "support" Linux.

For the big thing is that it blocks Android, but anybody using this CPU in their devices would be shipping Windows 8 anyway, so there's no real loss.

ahhell said,
Clover Trail is the new Atom. Basically, it's Intel's shot at ARM.
I'm not seeing it as such a big deal that it won't "support" Linux.

+1, I don't think there will be a great loss for linux systems in this arena
Yet, it is a loss for Ubuntu which was planning to support a distro for tablets

Tha Bloo Monkee said,
I wouldn't be surprised if someone makes a workaround and posts it online. The article states it's capable.

I am 80% sure of that

Tha Bloo Monkee said,
I wouldn't be surprised if someone makes a workaround and posts it online. The article states it's capable.

As far as I understand, nothing is stopping you from installing linux on this chip yourself, provided the hardware is for sale for regular users unlocked form secure booth. However due to missing functions in linux it'll eat your battery.

ahhell said,
Clover Trail is the new Atom. Basically, it's Intel's shot at ARM.
I'm not seeing it as such a big deal that it won't "support" Linux.

supporting other oses other than windows would be in Intels best interest. by limiting support they could force potential buyers to look into more compatible hardware.

I've been using Windows 8 since the Dev Preview... I don't see people's problem. I really don't. Nobody forces you to use Metro Apps. All legacy apps work. Get over it you past-hugging ignoramuses. Enjoy your slower crustier Windows 7 isntalls.

DarkyDan said,
I've been using Windows 8 since the Dev Preview... I don't see people's problem. I really don't. Nobody forces you to use Metro Apps. All legacy apps work. Get over it you past-hugging ignoramuses. Enjoy your slower crustier Windows 7 isntalls.

I installed the Windows 8 Preview, and my laptop's screen refused to power on after boot up(was on during loading screen and worked in safe mode). Hope they fix that showstopper before it hits the shelves (probably intel's fault) otherwise I will be reluctant to shell out the $40 for the upgrade.

DarkyDan said,
I've been using Windows 8 since the Dev Preview... I don't see people's problem. I really don't. Nobody forces you to use Metro Apps. All legacy apps work. Get over it you past-hugging ignoramuses. Enjoy your slower crustier Windows 7 isntalls.

Are you trying to start a fight in the comments section where there wasn't one?

DarkyDan said,
I've been using Windows 8 since the Dev Preview... I don't see people's problem. I really don't. Nobody forces you to use Metro Apps. All legacy apps work. Get over it you past-hugging ignoramuses. Enjoy your slower crustier Windows 7 isntalls.

Where did that comment come from? I think you posted in the wrong thread . . .

Shiranui said,

I installed the Windows 8 Preview, and my laptop's screen refused to power on after boot up(was on during loading screen and worked in safe mode). Hope they fix that showstopper before it hits the shelves (probably intel's fault) otherwise I will be reluctant to shell out the $40 for the upgrade.

Intel HD Graraphics from Sandy Bridge or earlier right? Definateley an Intel Driver issue. Closing the lid then opening it back up and you'll see the image. Found that annoying in the Consumer/Release preview.

DarkyDan said,
I've been using Windows 8 since the Dev Preview... I don't see people's problem. I really don't. Nobody forces you to use Metro Apps. All legacy apps work. Get over it you past-hugging ignoramuses. Enjoy your slower crustier Windows 7 isntalls.

Either you're missing a few marbles or you commented on the wrong page...

Shiranui said,

I installed the Windows 8 Preview, and my laptop's screen refused to power on after boot up(was on during loading screen and worked in safe mode). Hope they fix that showstopper before it hits the shelves (probably intel's fault) otherwise I will be reluctant to shell out the $40 for the upgrade.


I will be skipping Windows 8 altogether. it's like an ad based platform with ads in apps that you can get, though this varies by state to state as not everyone will see them.

soldier1st said,

I will be skipping Windows 8 altogether. it's like an ad based platform with ads in apps that you can get, though this varies by state to state as not everyone will see them.
Which part of the "If you don't want to use Metro app, nobody forces you to use them" is too complicated for you to understand?

Glassed Silver said,
Definitely expected more uproar in the first few comments...

Me too. I'm not really a linux fanboy, but I do enjoy using linux, and use it frequently. This is disappointing, to say the least.

cyberdrone2000 said,

Me too. I'm not really a linux fanboy, but I do enjoy using linux, and use it frequently. This is disappointing, to say the least.


I approve of Linux alot and the day will come when i can finally switch. testing... testing... testing... is what needs to be done.

Glassed Silver said,
Definitely expected more uproar in the first few comments...

GS:mac

The anti-Linux crowd on Neowin is surprisingly large. But then, it's NeoWIN for a reason .

Majesticmerc said,

The anti-Linux crowd on Neowin is surprisingly large. But then, it's NeoWIN for a reason .

it's not the anti-linux crowd but the anti-open source crowd. Every time Neowin post about a new version of an open source app there's at least 5-6 troll comments about how open source is bad for everyone even when the commercial alternative is between 500 and 1k and the app can be used seldomly at home.

LaP said,

it's not the anti-linux crowd but the anti-open source crowd. Every time Neowin post about a new version of an open source app there's at least 5-6 troll comments about how open source is bad for everyone even when the commercial alternative is between 500 and 1k and the app can be used seldomly at home.


It's not being anti-open source. It's the fact that open source advocates are, at the root level (p-p-pun!), reluctant to discuss the shortcomings of open code. They too often see it as some sort of technological messiah, and if the world would just embrace it, society would advance into some sort of utopia.

They don't see there being a place for proprietary tech alongside open tech. They don't see a relationship between the two, or their interdependency. Proprietary is a bad word, it's evil, it destroys innovation and competition, and anything that fights it is a good thing. Talking about software piracy with a FOSS advocate is an exercise in futility, because they default to sympathizing with it, and their solution to piracy is "well if software was free and open, piracy wouldn't exist in the first place".

This whole naive, idealistic, unrealistic attitude about technology and this whacked out set of principles is what turns so many people off. It's like sitting on a bus next to two 19 year old activists talking about politics--your headphones are just never enough to completely drown the idiocy out, and you're stuck there for the next half hour, ears bleeding from their mutually congratulatory mini circle-jerk of dialog that screams a lack of any real, substantial analysis or personal experience.

These are FOSS kiddies. And all we can do is make them feel unwelcome.

More ACPI shenanigans.

If they just made this stuff properly in the first place we wouldn't have crap like "This CPU is designed for Windows"

The_Decryptor said,
More ACPI shenanigans.

If they just made this stuff properly in the first place we wouldn't have crap like "This CPU is designed for Windows"


Yupp.

I bet MS --$$--> Intel

GS:mac

The_Decryptor said,
More ACPI shenanigans.

If they just made this stuff properly in the first place we wouldn't have crap like "This CPU is designed for Windows"

"The crux of [their] decision was around Linux not supporting the same system calls as Windows related to P-states and C-states that can shut down cores on the processor in order to save battery."

When your platform has a market share hovering around 1% it doesn't make sense to try and not conform to what the biggest players are doing at such a low level of the system.

When the hardware manufacturer must design to be compatible with the lion share of the market, your unique platform may very well be left behind.

Glassed Silver said,

Yupp.

I bet MS --$$--> Intel

GS:mac

Really? Intel hates Microsoft for a lot of reason, from fully supporting non-Intel x86 CPUs in the 90s (Alpha to AMD) to the XBox 360 CPU to recent support of ARM and having a full port of Windows 8 to ARM.

There is a reason Intel testified against Microsoft in the 90s, and pushed for Microsoft to be broken up. There is no love lost.

The_Decryptor said,
More ACPI shenanigans.

If they just made this stuff properly in the first place we wouldn't have crap like "This CPU is designed for Windows"


This "Designed for Windows Only" crap must stop. It will only hurt sales and force users to switch to hardware that supports more than Windows.

soldier1st said,

This "Designed for Windows Only" crap must stop. It will only hurt sales and force users to switch to hardware that supports more than Windows.
Like who? Mac OS X will pick up support when they release a laptop with one of these chips, at which point you will have the vast majority of the consumer market covered.

As I said in a post above, Linux will eventually gain support [by adding the necessary system calls], but Intel is apparently not interested in waiting for that to happen before releasing the chip. Frankly, to blame them for this is just silly, as Linux has never been a good platform to use with the latest hardware.

Ryoken said,
So there's 7 sales they lost.. lol

If that. Linux users often have an underdog complex, and are the people who'll buy AMD chips.

From a purely psychological standpoint, it'd be interesting to see how many people in the open source camp are just there to root for an underdog in the first place. It'd be tricky to determine, since that's a pretty subconscious motive.

JAB Creations said,
Definitely a sound business decision, not like Windows 8 is so bad Steam is moving to Linux.

Even though steam has been on it's way to linux for sometime even before Windows 8 was known to the public. Shoot I think that project even predates Windows 7

JAB Creations said,
Definitely a sound business decision, not like Windows 8 is so bad Steam is moving to Linux.
Definite a sound post, not like Steam just became a competitor of the online Microsoft Store in the past few days, thus giving them a strong reason to make Windows 8 look bad. Not like Valve is apparently making other competitive decisions related to both Windows and the Xbox.

Nope. Nothing like that.

With that said, I suspect that the Linux kernel will eventually add support for the missing system calls in order to get the interrupts in place to do the work necessary to save battery life. Linux has never been good at supporting the latest technology (not completely its fault, as it takes effort on both sides). I suspect Hackintosh computers won't see the benefits until some Mac is released running on one of those chips.