Internet Explorer 9 doesn't please all

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IE9 has received praise for its standards compliance, something the IE Team made a commitment to vastly improving with a series of developer previews geared especially toward that purpose, also when opening the Release Candidate users are invited to test these at a specially developed website.

So is it all roses? Are there people out there that agree with the following points raised by what seems to be a minority at this point. Let us know your thoughts!

While Internet Explorer 9 represents significant improvements to the Trident rendering engine and the Javascript engine, certain user interface elements and some functionality that are present in Internet Explorer 8 are no longer present in Internet Explorer 9. The following is a list of such features that have been removed in IE9:

  • Internet Explorer 9 setup cannot be sequenced using Microsoft App-V.
  • Tabs from the previous session (after IE is closed and opened again) can no longer be opened selectively. Only tabs from current session which were recently closed can be selectively opened or the entire last session has to be opened.
  • The dedicated search box has been removed. Searches can be performed from the address bar as was already possible in all previous IE releases. Because of the removal of the search box, users have to repeatedly type the same search terms if they want to search using a different search provider. Textual descriptions for search providers are no longer shown except in a tooltip when hovered over.
  • Tab list menu button has been removed. (Accessible using Ctrl+Shift+Q)
  • The page title is no longer shown in the browser's title bar.
  • Each download does not get its own button on the taskbar showing the progress of individual downloads. All downloads are grouped without user preference in a single download manager button.
  • The progress bar when loading pages and 'Done' message after page loading is complete have been removed from the status bar.
  • All functionality from the status bar except zoom button and showing hyperlink upon mouse hover has been removed. The status bar in Internet Explorer 8 showed security zone info, Protected Mode status, SmartScreen information, certificates info, addon manager, pop-up blocker, privacy policy/report and InPrivate Filtering status.
  • The ability to freely move browser elements in unlocked state has been removed. The menu bar, favorites bar and command bar could be moved in Internet Explorer 8.
  • Large icons cannot be used on the command bar. • Completed MB and the progress bar have been removed when downloading.
  • The Notification Bar replaces the Information Bar which appeared above the page content. The Notification Bar  overlaps a certain part of the page and requires the user to close it to see underlying parts of the page.
  • Internet Explorer can no longer be set to notify download completion with only a sound. Every download completion shows a visual notification on top of the page which has to be closed.
  • When clearing browsing history from within the browser, there is no progress bar or any sort of indication. Instead, a visual notification is shown on the notification bar which has to be closed by the user to see underlying page content.
  • Save As is no longer the default option when downloading files. Instead Save is the now the default option which always saves to the Downloads folder.
  • The about:tabs page cannot have the status bar enabled. Recently closed tabs from the current or previous session no longer show the URL below.
  • The following configurable options have been removed without explanation:
    • Reset text size to medium while zooming.
    • Force offscreen compositing even under Terminal Server.
    • Enable page transitions.
    • Always use ClearType for HTML.
    • Smart image dithering.
    • Print background colors and images.
    • Do not submit unknown addresses to your auto search provider and Just display the results in the main window.
    • Security Zone settings: Automating prompting for file downloads.
    • Security Zone settings: Open files based on content, not file extension.

Internet Explorer 9 feels like it suffers from Chrome-envy. The IE team probably didn't confident about standing their ground with IE8's helpful and customizable UI.

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Most of the list are *changes* rather than removed features. Sopme of these are vallid, but the majority of them are just complaints because things have changed. I bet the users who are bitching about this the most vociferously turn off Aero in favor of the Windows 2000 gray look and switch the start menu back to the Windows 95 style.

IE9, is pretty good but not good enough yet. I think, IE had it's time and glory, all it's doing now is trying to catch up but we all know that will never happen. They couldn't even fix the back button position, and what's with blank space on top with NO TITLE nothing. I'd rather have them shift that upward like FF, Chrome, Opera. If they going to play catch up game, at least do it right?

MaSx said,
IE9, is pretty good but not good enough yet. I think, IE had it's time and glory, all it's doing now is trying to catch up but we all know that will never happen. They couldn't even fix the back button position, and what's with blank space on top with NO TITLE nothing. I'd rather have them shift that upward like FF, Chrome, Opera. If they going to play catch up game, at least do it right?

Maybe Microsoft don't want to carbon copy everyone else?

Whats the point of this article? That some people don't like changes? Wow, thats an amazing revelation, durrr!

You going to write a pointless article like this about firefox and chrome?

autobon said,
Whats the point of this article? That some people don't like changes? Wow, thats an amazing revelation, durrr!

You going to write a pointless article like this about firefox and chrome?

This is Neomac you are talking about ... If you haven't notice, this article got more views and comments than any articles in the last couple weeks. It all about the views.

Actually there is nothing wrong with IE9 (nor it suffers from any kind of Chrome-envy for that matter) . Both IE9 and Chrome are focused on the future, NOT the past, both are browsers for the Cloud simply because both Google and Microsoft knows the future is there, and both are investing heavily into that future. If you are still looking for a "desktop'' browser then neither Chrome nor IE9 is for you, but in that case I would recommend you to let it go, I mean the past... the way you use the computer (and the web) for the last few decades, because from now on, that kind of attitude will only hold you back.

This is actually the problem with Firefox 4... simply because Mozilla didn't understand that the desktop way of thinking is over, there is nothing much we can improve there and there is no room for moving forward, the only way forward is to accept that we are going to witness an unprecedented transformation in computing, web and most importantly user experiences in the next few years... and the central piece of that transformation is the Cloud, that is why we need browsers for the Cloud, and right now, only Chrome and IE9 seems to get that so far.

Anyway IE9 is great, is nice, but the real thing will be Windows 8 which will probably be much more Cloud ready than Windows 7 and it will probably have a browser (IE10) for the Cloud. Google will probably try to do the same with Android (on mobile and tablets) and possibly with Chrome OS... but Microsoft have a clear advantage here... although, what can they really deliver is an open question, but that is true for Google as well. Anyway the next few years will be interesting and exciting...

i agree with tuxplorer microsoft is showing there greed since bill is not there ie9 is the worst version yet. very set there way ! not customizeable just like sp1 for win7 was internal and has no new features for the user ie9 is not user friendly !!! and they dont do anything with user/tester feedback. the reponse i get is "by design" my favorite ie was 7...

chriscustom said,
i agree with tuxplorer microsoft is showing there greed since bill is not there ie9 is the worst version yet. very set there way ! not customizeable just like sp1 for win7 was internal and has no new features for the user ie9 is not user friendly !!! and they dont do anything with user/tester feedback. the reponse i get is "by design" my favorite ie was 7...

I'll have whatever you're smoking. IE9 is by far the best IE so far

chriscustom said,
i agree with tuxplorer microsoft is showing there greed since bill is not there ie9 is the worst version yet. very set there way ! not customizeable just like sp1 for win7 was internal and has no new features for the user ie9 is not user friendly !!! and they dont do anything with user/tester feedback. the reponse i get is "by design" my favorite ie was 7...

Why does a SP need to deliver new features? That's NOT the role of a Service Pack!

Frylock86 said,

Why does a SP need to deliver new features? That's NOT the role of a Service Pack!

Precisely. The role of a Service Pack is to roll all the updates released prior into one big update and add any other fixes and suchlike in. It just so happened that XP SP2 had lots of big fixes and suchlike.

I dont miss any of the features he mentioned. Good article though.
What bothers me in ie9 is that my gmail is now broken I get no alerts on gchat, and when i replie to emails text is unusually small...and i did not change any settings.

"The dedicated search box has been removed. Searches can be performed from the address bar as was already possible in all previous IE releases. Because of the removal of the search box, users have to repeatedly type the same search terms if they want to search using a different search provider. Textual descriptions for search providers are no longer shown except in a tooltip when hovered over."

Or you can just click the icon that looks like a magnifying glass in the address bar and you last search put into the bar and you can select which search provider. I also notice the search problem in the beta but now i wonder if I missed the magnifying glass icon.

IMHO, most people that will use IE will not run into a problem with what's missing and it's simplicity in it's UI will be welcomed.

c_los said,
Noob question but, isn't this supposed to support CSS 3. I see no shadows or rounded corners?

Rounded corners are in there - check out Neowin to see them!

Shadows work for borders, but there are no text shadows alas.

DonC said,

Rounded corners are in there - check out Neowin to see them!

Shadows work for borders, but there are no text shadows alas.

Yeah, I noticed. I guess I'm doing something wrong in this website I'm working on

c_los said,

Yeah, I noticed. I guess I'm doing something wrong in this website I'm working on

Ha! realized I didn't have a DOCTYPE

c_los said,
Ha! realized I didn't have a DOCTYPE

n00b.

ha ha, just kidding. You're skills are probably well beyond mine. I stopped somewhere around html3. lol

ok so if i make a BLOG and post about things that dont please me about FF will you guys consider it news and put it up on the front page???? if so i will go use my credit card and get a hosting plan for a BLOG right now. sometimes "news on neowin" really suprises me. That guy has the worst blog on the net lol, they consist of nothing but "hate" blogs. great job with the News Neowin

I find most of hist complaints to be nitpicky. Some items on his list have been previewed for nearly a year, so it shouldn't come as a shock as a missing feature or of /lacking. A couple items were legitimite.

Overall, I love the balance IE brings between performance, built-in privacy/security crontrols, and ease of use. I find it really balanced in all those areas which makes it a pleasure to use.

Wow.... I find these complaints to be very stupid. IE9 is a NEW browser.. not IE8 version 2... lol
The removal of all those things are part of the redesign and part of the new UI. Most of those important features are still accessible.

The main focus of IE9 is to focus on the WEB and not the browser itself. They reduced the UI significantly and have finally made a beautiful standards-compliant browser.

I hate how people hate and troll on the stupidest things. Time to grow up and learn how to adapt to change otherwise technology will never evolve and innovation will never shine.

The dedicated search box has been removed. Searches can be performed from the address bar as was already possible in all previous IE releases. Because of the removal of the search box, users have to repeatedly type the same search terms if they want to search using a different search provider. Textual descriptions for search providers are no longer shown except in a tooltip when hovered over.

Actually, this has been fixed in the RC.

I dunno I can't help but disagree, I think the new simpler to use IE9 is by far the best. IE8 and FF are far to bloated for any kind of real useability.

I like how there is the search bar integrated into the address bar, and most browsers which I deem decent have this. I find it extremely irritating having to click on the search box to do a search.

And when downloading, I get offered the menu of 'Save', 'Save As' or 'Open' so I'm not quite sure why he is saying it automatically saves to the Downloads folder (which again, if he is getting this behaviour seems like common sense....).

Browsing is about using the web, not the browser. If the browser stands in your way then there is a failure somewhere.

The dedicated search box has been removed. Searches can be performed from the address bar as was already possible in all previous IE releases. Because of the removal of the search box, users have to repeatedly type the same search terms if they want to search using a different search provider. Textual descriptions for search providers are no longer shown except in a tooltip when hovered over.

This for me is the biggest let down of IE 9. This one feature single handedly will make me move to using another browser. Microsoft really needs to explain how and why, removing the search bar makes IE 9 betterthan IE 8.

Sanjay said,

This for me is the biggest let down of IE 9. This one feature single handedly will make me move to using another browser. Microsoft really needs to explain how and why, removing the search bar makes IE 9 betterthan IE 8.

Just type in the address bar? Besidesm click the magifying glass to activate the search box in a mode familiar to you?

Sanjay said,

This for me is the biggest let down of IE 9. This one feature single handedly will make me move to using another browser. Microsoft really needs to explain how and why, removing the search bar makes IE 9 betterthan IE 8.

Everyone I know never even used the Search bar. They always went to the address bar for their searches.

dhan said,

Just type in the address bar? Besidesm click the magifying glass to activate the search box in a mode familiar to you?

Actually clicking the magnifying glass allows yout to choose which search engine results you want on an ad-hoc basis, pretty slick if you ask me.

Ignore tuxplorer. Minimalist Chrome is doing the right thing. Somewhere in the journey, Internet Explorer and Firefox forgot to give importance to the most basic function of a browser, serve web pages fastest and with best fidelity. There is going to be a backlash, keep your cool and stick with minimalist approach.

Two points.

1) Just because Firefox is open source does not automatically make it the best. Even open source people can make strategic mistakes. Firefox is surviving on inertia. Firefox is bloated and so is Internet Explorer 8.
2) This minimalist approach would have been godsend for Internet Explorer 9 for a tablet, giving almost a desktop browser functionality to a tablet. But alas...
3) All is not lost, let us hope that Microsoft put most of what is in Internet Explorer 9 to Windows Phone 7.

Samir Shah said,

3) All is not lost, let us hope that Microsoft put most of what is in Internet Explorer 9 to Windows Phone 7.

By god yes. Whenever I have to use my Mother's Mozart to do internet stuff (or when it's the closest phone), the way the deformed child of IE7 and IE8 renders pages makes me want to gouge my eyeballs out sometimes it's that bad.

"So is it all roses? Are are there people out there that agree with the following points raised by what seems to be a minority at this point. Let us know your thoughts!"
I disagree. I quite like it and I am in fact using it more than FF at the moment.

i agree much of the poin of customization of ie8 which its great compared to ie9 and ie7 which both its weird and more fixed interface that whould not please some.

The back button itsel looks bad and unrefined they could put better button like those in option fav and home

Does Quick Tabs still available in IE 9 RC?

http://techdows.com/2010/09/en...bs-feature-in-ie9-beta.html

I asked because I tried IE 9 BETA, and I noticed that the Quick Tabs feature was gone (or hidden in Options, I didn't search for it). Quick Tabs is a really useful feature if you have 5~10 webpages opened with same page title, it gives you a thumbnail view so you can distinguish different tabs at once.

GraphiteCube said,
Does Quick Tabs still available in IE 9 RC?

http://techdows.com/2010/09/en...bs-feature-in-ie9-beta.html

I asked because I tried IE 9 BETA, and I noticed that the Quick Tabs feature was gone (or hidden in Options, I didn't search for it). Quick Tabs is a really useful feature if you have 5~10 webpages opened with same page title, it gives you a thumbnail view so you can distinguish different tabs at once.

It's back, but disabled by default in the RC. You can turn it back on by going into the tabs settings.

Frylock86 said,

It's back, but disabled by default in the RC. You can turn it back on by going into the tabs settings.

I could never get it to work, in the beta or the RC... even when I enable it and restart IE as it specifies, the quick tabs button doesn't come back with the key combo or the little button that would sprout up.

I see most of that list as bloat or unnecessary features. Different people to their own of course. However I use a browser to do just that, browse the web, I don't need a million features, just give me back, refresh and an address bar and I'm good to go

For me, there are only 2 main problems with IE9:
*) IE9 doesn't preserve last download folder for images (all other types work fine). For example, open 100 images in new tabs and try to save them in a folder other that My Pictures. You'll have to navigate to the correct folder 100 times.
*) Reopening last session is not 100% stable. Sometimes the session just cannot be reopened.

The 'Print background colors and images' option isn't removed. Open the File Menu (Alt + F) > Page Setup and there it is.

Who cares... MS has finally delivered a good browser... Use it if you want or use FF4 or Chrome... At the end of the day everyone gets their choice and can go with what they like..

eliokh said,
firefox 4 is taking a long time to be released

Why in such a rush ? We have all the time in the world. Wouldn't you rather a better Firefox 4 be released with less bugs than a buggy product ? Though with that being said it is impossible to be perfect. Still like I always said patience is a virtue! That and good things come to people who wait. I think with computers and technology we have forgotten that. We always want everything to happen faster constantly.

I think a lot of that was done on purpose. You have to remember the type of people Microsoft is aiming this for, its for NOVICE computer users. These are the ones that just want to launch a browser check email and other basic functions. Most of those users would have never used those features to begin with. I think a less cluttered UI for them is an easier one. My parents use IE8 and have never seen them use those features, heck they just figured out how to use tabs properly. This isn't the old days where Microsoft made thinks for power users, they are really trying to push simplicity to make it easier for basic computer users

If someone has a problem with Tracking Protection after installing IE9 RC1, try to delete/rename following registry key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Safety\PrivacIE

I had a problem, because I used InPrivate Filtering with loaded AdBlock rules. Unfortunately, this option isn't available in gui, but still seats and works in background. Will open a case on connect..

I actually miss the title bar one. I dislike having to hover over the tab to read the full title. Just display it on the main window title.

I don't care about most of the "removed" features, but this ones is really weird:
"•The page title is no longer shown in the browser's title bar."
what ?!

virtorio said,
...

Bias or not, the issue about setup not being ?sequenced? through App-V is an issue for enterprise use.
However, with most big business customers makeing the jump to 7 this year, I'd estimate they'd remain on 8 and have no need for app-v instance of ie9. If anything they'd need ie6 via app-v.

In any event, the changes are for a reason. we don't NEED all of these browser features. that's what MS are trying to say. Just because we've become dependent on these add-ons or features doesn't mean they're good. Reimagine your digital life.

Mine includes jumplists and whatever web developers plan to put into my pinned icons, all rendered beautifully in their HTML5 elegance. Spec finilization be damned, I want it today. Updates are always possible.

I can see some very good points above, however, the IE9 UI was meant to be kept clean and not cluttered as it used to be. The reason tabs appear next to the address bar (which you can obviously change anyway) is behind the fact that most monitor resolutions expand horizontally and on a big resolution, everything will look smooth. If you have a smaller screen resolution then it's a good idea to change it so that tabs are underneath the address bar. Some of the issues raised above are around changing IE rather than making it unusable - in most cases. 60% of users DO NOT LIKE it when you change the way they work and need time to adjust

Riva said,
...

I completely agree. This is part of the reason for the new, arguably ugly back button. It's a constant visual reminder that, hey, you're encroaching on our space, we're giving you those extra pixels, getting out of your way; Mr./Mrs. website designer.

I have installed and removed the RC version from a few days ago.

I do find it runs faster and smoother than IE8, however I am back on IE8 due to some factors.

It finds errors on a page and re-loads them twice then stops working.

I also do not like favourites and history on right hand side.

I don't like tabs at the top.

I also do not like it whining about removing items that may slow it down, even after selecting not

to remind me.

I will wait a bit longer to try IE9.

leesmithg said,
I have installed and removed the RC version from a few days ago.

I do find it runs faster and smoother than IE8, however I am back on IE8 due to some factors.

It finds errors on a page and re-loads them twice then stops working.

I also do not like favourites and history on right hand side.

I don't like tabs at the top.

I also do not like it whining about removing items that may slow it down, even after selecting not

to remind me.

I will wait a bit longer to try IE9.

You can put the tabs in IE9 below, you know that right?

Well i downloaded and installed the RC and a day later was gone. Apart from the stability/compatibility issues which are expected i really hated for so few reasons that where enough to make me wanna throw it out of my box. Well this is the 1st time for me that i don't like a new "innovation" from microsoft! IE8 and Chrome.

Search has become difficult to customize. There are no more ways to add a search engine from a site, other than through ieaddons.com. Visual Search seems to be gone. And that's a shame, since search features were better in IE8 than in any other browser.
Everything else in this guy's list hardly deserves any notice, and it's probably better those things are gone now.

"Because of the removal of the search box, users have to repeatedly type the same search terms ..."Wrong! Use the magnifier glass and it works.
Statusbar? The status bar in all IE versions show only empty gray boxes, until you activate something, was this better? I really not understand why so many users miss this senseless statusbar.

Some other things in this post are new, yes, but better than before.
Most of the other things in this post are unimportant for me, overall I not miss only one thing that the IE8.0 had.
I miss some other things in the new GUI, yes, and something could be better, but that's another discuss.

Lastwebpage said,
"Because of the removal of the search box, users have to repeatedly type the same search terms ..."Wrong! Use the magnifier glass and it works.
Statusbar? The status bar in all IE versions show only empty gray boxes, until you activate something, was this better? I really not understand why so many users miss this senseless statusbar.

Some other things in this post are new, yes, but better than before.
Most of the other things in this post are unimportant for me, overall I not miss only one thing that the IE8.0 had.
I miss some other things in the new GUI, yes, and something could be better, but that's another discuss.


Oh yes! You can even press Ctrl+E - just like in IE8 and the address bar becomes a search bar containing any previously searched for terms if you are in the search results page
And you can always bring back the pointless status bar anyway

Riva said,

Oh yes! You can even press Ctrl+E - just like in IE8 and the address bar becomes a search bar containing any previously searched for terms if you are in the search results page

That wasn't the behavior in the beta. I am going to test this when I get back home to my cozy IE9.
If this is the behavior great. What happened prior to the RC, was if you pressed ctrl+e you got "? <highlighted URL of current results page>"
Difficult if you want to switch search providers from your default to an alternate for different results. The behavior from the beta would involve the user re-typing his query for the new search provider.

JohnnyMartins said,
IE even with version 9 is still NOT Fully Standards Compliant!!!

I think you mean that it gets 95 from acid test 3. Microsoft already test it wouldn't target 100 because the rest of the tests are about things that either not finalized or things thar are going to be removed from standards.

Apart from XP I don't think I've ever seen tuxplorer post something positive about Microsoft, so this isn't really news.

YOU HAVE MISSED (OR AGAIN IGNORED) BROKEN FONT RENDERING. THIS GREAT, NEW "FEATURE" WILL HAVE INSTANT IMPACT ON ALL USERS... I NEGATIVE WAY...

6205 said,
YOU HAVE MISSED (OR AGAIN IGNORED) BROKEN FONT RENDERING. THIS GREAT, NEW "FEATURE" WILL HAVE INSTANT IMPACT ON ALL USERS... I NEGATIVE WAY...

I think you need to yell a bit louder. I can't hear you.

6205 said,
YOU HAVE MISSED (OR AGAIN IGNORED) BROKEN FONT RENDERING. THIS GREAT, NEW "FEATURE" WILL HAVE INSTANT IMPACT ON ALL USERS... I NEGATIVE WAY...

What broken font rendering?

6205 said,
YOU HAVE MISSED (OR AGAIN IGNORED) BROKEN FONT RENDERING. THIS GREAT, NEW "FEATURE" WILL HAVE INSTANT IMPACT ON ALL USERS... I NEGATIVE WAY...

Yeah what are you on about? Or is the bug everything you type comes out in CAPS?

6205 said,
YOU HAVE MISSED (OR AGAIN IGNORED) BROKEN FONT RENDERING. THIS GREAT, NEW "FEATURE" WILL HAVE INSTANT IMPACT ON ALL USERS... I NEGATIVE WAY...

Tune your ClearType, even if you're on a CRT.

osm0sis said,

Tune your ClearType, even if you're on a CRT.

It's not a ClearType issue. It seems to be the same thing that happens in FF4 betas when using hardware acceleration. For some reason the font rendering is far worse with HW acceleration than without it. This is apparently something that Microsoft has to fix on OS level.

In any case many of the issues posted by tuxplorer are really just a case of "boohoo it's different". The status bar is becoming irrelevant in most browsers so it makes sense to make it unnecessary, having downloads grouped into a single manager makes sense and saving to Downloads as default is how it should be because it means less work for the user.

6205 said,
YOU HAVE MISSED (OR AGAIN IGNORED) BROKEN FONT RENDERING. THIS GREAT, NEW "FEATURE" WILL HAVE INSTANT IMPACT ON ALL USERS... I NEGATIVE WAY...

I noticed that HP's webpage hasn't been fixed. The font in IE 9 is still small

The only thing I care is that not always asking me to save passwords on most sites...

I could save on YouTube, Gmail... But...

Is it a bug or I've to adjust something better? Anyone else?

IE got the place of my secondary browser. Primary FF 4. Happy with both of 'em and will stay like that while Chrome has been completely removed.

Man, I'm going to go write a blog post about Bing and why I dislike it, not giving any comparisons to Google or Duck Duck Go, just so I can have my article on the frontpage of Neowin.

Neowin, I'm sorry to say, but your website is getting tiresome. You're all biased and will happily put anything you solely agree with on the frontpage.

I didn't say I AGREED with it, I asked if commenters did, that is entirely different.

Plus we've already done articles on Bing/Google comparisons. (as well as every other tech site out there).

Page title missing in IE9 RC1 really annoys me, AFAIK there is no easy way to see the full page title from the UI.

I won't be using it, that's for sure. I'll have it because it'll be pushed by Window$ updates, but that'll be the only reason! FF4 or Chrome 4 me!

Co-ords said,
I won't be using it, that's for sure. I'll have it because it'll be pushed by Window$ updates, but that'll be the only reason! FF4 or Chrome 4 me!

Why are you still using Chrome 4? The stable version is 9.0.597.98, so you are very, very behind. And why won't you be using it? You can't just say that you don't want to, and if you can't knock it until you try it.

Co-ords said,
I won't be using it, that's for sure. I'll have it because it'll be pushed by Window$ updates, but that'll be the only reason! FF4 or Chrome 4 me!

Anything else you say in a paragraph is worthless as soon as you use a $ sign in Windows or Microsoft. It isn't 1995 anymore. Just go and use linux or OSX and not be bothered by Windows update anymore, just daily linux updates or once in a blue moon updates from Apple.

Septimus said,

Anything else you say in a paragraph is worthless as soon as you use a $ sign in Windows or Microsoft. It isn't 1995 anymore. Just go and use linux or OSX and not be bothered by Windows update anymore, just daily linux updates or once in a blue moon updates from Apple.

I know. Whenever I see "M$", I think "idiot".

LiquidSolstice said,

I know. Whenever I see "M$", I think "idiot".

+1

To me M$ = Idiot. I'll read as far as the M$ and then stop.

Co-ords said,
I won't be using it, that's for sure. I'll have it because it'll be pushed by Window$ updates, but that'll be the only reason! FF4 or Chrome 4 me!

Wow a Chrom€ and Fir€fox u$€r you must be a corporate stooge! Wake up and fight da powa man!

Durrrr

GhS88 said,
Microsoft thinks a fast browser is a great browser ? I don't think so, it needs more than that

No, AFAIK Microsoft never said so. It's only the interpretation. IE9 official website explains well other important improvements beside performance improvement. Being fast is only one of them.

I think that IE 9 is a significant step forward and is a huge performance improvment on IE8, but I also agree that there seem to be some changes in it that equate to change for changes sake and trying to look different.

'The page title is no longer shown in the browser's title bar' in particular is annoying me at the moment.

C:Amie said,
I think that IE 9 is a significant step forward and is a huge performance improvment on IE8, but I also agree that there seem to be some changes in it that equate to change for changes sake and trying to look different.

'The page title is no longer shown in the browser's title bar' in particular is annoying me at the moment.

In win 7 there is no need at all to show the page title in the title bar. If the window is open you can see the title in the tab, if the window is closed it doesn't matter and you can see the title for each tab with aero peek.

XerXis said,

In win 7 there is no need at all to show the page title in the title bar. If the window is open you can see the title in the tab, if the window is closed it doesn't matter and you can see the title for each tab with aero peek.

That is an inefficient way of working and is counter to the style that I work. When you have 50 tabs open you can no longer read it off of the tab header or if you have lots of tabs that all start with the same text a la Neowin it becomes a time consuming process to check.

You missed some concluding lines "... IE9 is a fast, secure, stable and standards compliant browser. The problem is it is now only a fast, secure, stable and standards-compliant browser. The web may have become more beautiful but it's not usable any more. "

thommcg said,
You missed some concluding lines "... IE9 is a fast, secure, stable and standards compliant browser. The problem is it is now only a fast, secure, stable and standards-compliant browser. The web may have become more beautiful but it's not usable any more. "

You act as if it's the only fast, secure, stable and standards compliant browser.

Neobond said,
I omitted it, because I disagree with the conclusion that it's unusable.

Exactly, a conclusion based on their list of features ommitted.

ZekeComa said,

You act as if it's the only fast, secure, stable and standards compliant browser.


I'm saying that if you're going to quote his list, quote the rather extreme conclusion... seems they're just sulking MS didn't re-add what they spotted

It's just *so* extreme though, to say its unusable. None of the changes make it unusable, even in combination. Just less perfect for Mr Crazy It's such a heavy opinion, that I can understand being less willing to put it up on the main page.

(If the quoted post was formatted as a quote though...)

I'm sorry but I'm not sad about any of those omissions, and much prefer IE9 over IE8. I'd even go so far as to say that I welcome a few of those changes... like the search bar being done away with for one.

Now if only they'd fix the constant crashing on neowin.net I might give it a run as my primary browser for a while. As it is, I'm sticking with Chrome for the time being.

p.s. I agree with LiquidSolstice.

Neobond said,
If you mean crashing when trying to use text fields, I get that on other sites too, and it's very annoying!

Nope, crashing just loading the neowin.net homepage. Several others reported it too in the thread where you announced the release of the RC version.

That was the first thing I tried mate because at first I thought it might be a dodgy Flash plugin. Then I thought it might be ad related as the page seems to render completely and it crashes just as the adverts appear. However once I was able to get to the logon page and quickly put my logon details in before crashing, so even with no ads it still crashes. And like I said, I'm not hte only one, there were several of us in that first thread having the same issue.

You shouldn't see any ads?

Owait, BEFORE you login, gotcha.

I will ask the devs again to look at Neowin compliance with IE, because I agree it kinda sucks lately (even with IE8).

I disabled all add-ons and I can now login properly without the text field crashing the browser, and our devs are checking IPB forums for Javascript problems (we know they are an IPB bug) and if anything is being done about it.

TCLN Ryster said,

Nope, crashing just loading the neowin.net homepage. Several others reported it too in the thread where you announced the release of the RC version.

I've never had that problem with IE 9 (any version) since the conversion to Atlas - in fact, Neowin.net is one of the *few* major sites I have never had to drop into compatibility mode for since the first Public Preview of IE 9. (The same can not be said for Facebook (a major IE 9 partner site) and especially not major Facebook partner Zynga - their implementation is very hit-or-miss. Talk about "awkberg".)

TCLN Ryster said,

Nope, crashing just loading the neowin.net homepage. Several others reported it too in the thread where you announced the release of the RC version.

I'm one of those people, the 32-bit version just goes into a crash loop on neowin with or without disabling addons. The 64-bit version works perfectly, I'm using it now.

TCLN Ryster said,
I'm sorry but I'm not sad about any of those omissions, and much prefer IE9 over IE8. I'd even go so far as to say that I welcome a few of those changes... like the search bar being done away with for one.

Now if only they'd fix the constant crashing on neowin.net I might give it a run as my primary browser for a while. As it is, I'm sticking with Chrome for the time being.

p.s. I agree with LiquidSolstice.

If you have problems with crashing, try the reset to defaults option.

Internet Options -> Advanced -> Reset -> Close IE after its done and voila.

I have no problems with ie9 rc crashing on neowin after doing that - and i only had this issue on 32bit laptop, not my 64bit desktop.

blahism said,

If you have problems with crashing, try the reset to defaults option.

Internet Options -> Advanced -> Reset -> Close IE after its done and voila.

I have no problems with ie9 rc crashing on neowin after doing that - and i only had this issue on 32bit laptop, not my 64bit desktop.

Tried that as well and it still crashes. AFAIK that trick only works on 32-bit installs not 64-bit.

Dead'Soul said,

+1

BTW, Most features from removed from IE9 now shipping with FF4!

+2

I've always loved Firefox no matter what, it was my first on the go web developer plugin user. And it took me to where i wanted like face instead of just typing Facebook.com


But still, I'm a sucker for Google's 1 bar for address and search because the screen is bigger now.

yowan said,
Reason to use FF4

Blatant trolling mush?
Sorry, but FF4 has the same "problems".
For example, FF has a download manager, so there aren't 100 download windows in taskbar (instead all downloads are in a single window). What a pity!

yowan said,
Reason to use FF4

Really? Currently Firefox 4 is a mess. Compare it to what was originally planned to be and what it is. It's a rushed product.

Jan said,

Really? Currently Firefox 4 is a mess. Compare it to what was originally planned to be and what it is. It's a rushed product.

If it was rushed it would of been out by now. They are actually fixing the bugs but like all software they won't catch every little one. No one is that detailed. Not even me and I am as detailed as they get.

Jan said,
Really? Currently Firefox 4 is a mess. Compare it to what was originally planned to be and what it is. It's a rushed product.

IE9 is THE worst GUI disaster EVER; it's actually LESS customizable than Safari! That's pretty f$%@ing bad!

Firefox 4 no longer has a Go button and the commies forcibly removed the status bar. You now actually have to install an extension for a critical GUI component! This was in the face of OVERWHELMING negative feedback.

http://input.stage.mozilla.com...amp;date_end=11%2F17%2F2010

yowan said,
Reason to use FF4

+1 from hackers! firefox enable them to own your computer more easily thanks to the lack of sandbox! A flaw in flash player, adobe reader, or firefox makes it easy for malicious sites to run malwares on your computer!

-1000 for users who care about security (sandbox), stability (tabs isolation), performance (FX4 has only partial hardware acceleration) and autonomy (IE9 is designed to use less battery power than any other browser by using less cpu time, and reducing the agressivity of timers in order to allow the cpu to be put to sleep more often, and for a longer time)

max22 said,

If it was rushed it would of been out by now. They are actually fixing the bugs but like all software they won't catch every little one. No one is that detailed. Not even me and I am as detailed as they get.

Seriously? It is rushed - look at the proposed features for goodness sake, did you even read my post?

JAB Creations said,

IE9 is THE worst GUI disaster EVER; it's actually LESS customizable than Safari! That's pretty f$%@ing bad!
Less customizable? What is there to customize? IE9's main focus was web standards and focusing on the WEB not the browser itself... the UI is very minimal so there's no point to customize the UI. You can resize the Address bar, move tabs, move tabs to it's own bar, etc. what else do you wanna customize, troll?
Firefox 4 no longer has a Go button and the commies forcibly removed the status bar. You now actually have to install an extension for a critical GUI component! This was in the face of OVERWHELMING negative feedback.

http://input.stage.mozilla.com...amp;date_end=11%2F17%2F2010

JAB Creations said,

IE9 is THE worst GUI disaster EVER; it's actually LESS customizable than Safari! That's pretty f$%@ing bad!

Firefox 4 no longer has a Go button and the commies forcibly removed the status bar. You now actually have to install an extension for a critical GUI component! This was in the face of OVERWHELMING negative feedback.

http://input.stage.mozilla.com...amp;date_end=11%2F17%2F2010

True. It has limited customization. On the positive side, it's not as ugly as Safari. I don't think anything is as ugly as Safari on Windows. It only proves that Apple not only has no taste, but no class either.

JAB Creations said,

IE9 is THE worst GUI disaster EVER; it's actually LESS customizable than Safari! That's pretty f$%@ing bad!

A less customizable UI isn't exactly a bad UI - and no offence - but IE 9 looks a hell of a lot better then FF 4 does - or any other browser for that matter, it's simple and offers more of the main thing a browser is made for - THE WEB.

It's also MUCH faster then FF4.

yowan said,
It still has the 'go' button

No, the Go button is hidden until you type however it disappears and is stuck inside the address bar. It is hidden intentionally (which is stupid) which means you have to hack Firefox to force it to always display; this is neccesary in example if you want to GET a URL instead of reposting a POST request when a request hangs (and they often do).

Jan said,
A less customizable UI isn't exactly a bad UI - and no offence - but IE 9 looks a hell of a lot better then FF 4 does - or any other browser for that matter, it's simple and offers more of the main thing a browser is made for - THE WEB.

It's also MUCH faster then FF4.

Simple products don't aid simple people who want to achieve complex goals; IE9 can only truly appeal to someone who is completely ignorant of the better options available to them. Aesthetics are also subjective and I've got Firefox themed out nicely in example and I'm in control of Firefox whereas you really can't be in control with IE with it's devastatingly limited feature set in comparison.

IE9 has made a lot of performance gains though it still not perfect. It fails my browser benchmark whereas Mozilla Suite 1.6 / Firefox 0.8 passes it (all the other browsers fail though Opera is only half fail). Performance doesn't count for squat without control and that also applies to planes trains and automobiles.

JAB Creations said,

No, the Go button is hidden until you type however it disappears and is stuck inside the address bar. It is hidden intentionally (which is stupid) which means you have to hack Firefox to force it to always display; this is neccesary in example if you want to GET a URL instead of reposting a POST request when a request hangs (and they often do).

Simple products don't aid simple people who want to achieve complex goals; IE9 can only truly appeal to someone who is completely ignorant of the better options available to them. Aesthetics are also subjective and I've got Firefox themed out nicely in example and I'm in control of Firefox whereas you really can't be in control with IE with it's devastatingly limited feature set in comparison.

IE9 has made a lot of performance gains though it still not perfect. It fails my browser benchmark whereas Mozilla Suite 1.6 / Firefox 0.8 passes it (all the other browsers fail though Opera is only half fail). Performance doesn't count for squat without control and that also applies to planes trains and automobiles.

I'd much rather have a fast browser then a slow, laggy browser. BTW Simple people who want to achieve complex goals aren't simple, they're complex.

Jan said,

Really? Currently Firefox 4 is a mess. Compare it to what was originally planned to be and what it is. It's a rushed product.

I use FF as my main browser, I don't think they're rushing it but it is definitely buggy and messy, and not the Firefox that should be! but those that are unable to see it..is ignorant.

Jan said,

Seriously? It is rushed - look at the proposed features for goodness sake, did you even read my post?

Umm no it wasn't rushed, things can change between what was originally plan and during beta's. regardless it's still not a rush product.

Sub_Zero_Alchemist said,

Umm no it wasn't rushed, things can change between what was originally plan and during beta's. regardless it's still not a rush product.

Sure sure - whatever you say - just watch when Mozilla release the rest of 4.0 in future updates.

Jan said,

Seriously? It is rushed - look at the proposed features for goodness sake, did you even read my post?

Yes, Yes I did.