Investor believes it is "too late to revive Windows"

Microsoft may be working hard on its next PC operating system, Windows 8, but an investor at the well known private-equity group Elevation Partners believes that the heyday of the Windows OS may be over. The Wall Street Journal reports that the group's Roger McNamee believes that it is "too late to revive Windows". The reason is that he believes the PC market is moving over to the tablet and the smartphone. While he says that Microsoft will still have other successful businesses such as its upcoming acquisition of the Skype Internet phone business, he adds, "We are past the point where Windows can return to its former glory. The market has moved on."

Some people believe that one of the problems with the current version of Windows, Windows 7, is the lack of a unified app download store. iOS and Android devices both have easy-to-use app stores and even Apple's Mac PCs and laptops have access to its own app store. The story says that Microsoft is planning to put in its own version of an app store in Windows 8. Officially, Microsoft says it is declining to talk about Windows 8 ahead of its BUILD developers conference which will be held in mid-September.

Windows has also traditionally been popular for business users, but even that is threatened with the rise in the tablet market, particularity Apple's iPad. The article says that 86 percent of all Fortune 500 companies are either using or testing the iPad in their businesses. One company, Hospital Housekeeping Systems, recently bought 50 iPads for its employees to help track how it keeps hospital rooms clean.

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Corporate users can't use the keyboard on their laptops, they whinge to have a full sized keyboard. What about the pain that will be felt for users when their laptops are replaced with tablets...on-screen keyboard...OUCH!!!

I laugh at this article...not going to happen

Eberton Sobreira said,
This world is full of people like this Apple's brain-washed investor. Sincerely, I hate Apple products.

Honestly, Apple products themselves are not bad. They are functional, nice to look at and are decently constructed. It's the USERS that make Apple products a steaming pile of dung. iUsers are the most pretentious hipster buttsmokers the world has ever known.

What makes me angry against Microsoft is the way they do their ads and marketing, they need new era of naming and creativity, specially with that appstore thing, they had an old website called toolstore, why not to revive that one and avoid same bull**** law problems.

Being a leader doesn't mean to do things like others, you have to push other to do things as you do.

Wow, ok well after reading that im Converted!!!

Utter narrow minded dribble, and I bet you the comments where from his iPad, where he has to make an excuse for the inability to do what a PC can, as he can't install any software he wants, and is limited to a fixed App Store.

wow... these guys are a bunch of idiots, specially when windows has 90% of marketplace in PC.

and i can really argue about "sure, im going to work in tablet, and model 3d, render, composition. play videogames in free time" in a useless small device. maybe these idiots are just idiots who cant see more than they want to, i mean... how is it that Asian Cyber cafes for gamers are getting 19billion dollars. and they run windows on it. new starcraft tournaments are windows on it. haha even last time i saw Autodesk siggraph, and guess what? they were running WINDOWS on it. and they used, 3dsmax (windows only), Maya, softimage, mudbox, motionbuilder, after effects. and thats stuff you wont be able to use in a stupid small table, so its stupid to say, windows will die just because they want to think it will die. maybe these people think some of business work is just open a website and thats it. since tablets dont even have more than 2 cores, not much memory ram. how alot of new tech, and i mean, you see these new visual effects studios, 3d movies for kids, realistic movies, and noew they include steresocopic, how then can you say windows will be changed for tablets or whatever, when these studios use super powerful computers.

so NO windows wont die. specially when there are games like mmorpg which are 99% windows only, and there are studios, and hollywood and whatever that will use heavy software.
even my dad wont make accountings in a tablet, he needs Excel, windows, mouse and keyboard.

but i dont know who is more idiot, the one who says all these crap, or the one who reads it like me (for wasting my time) because i kinda know it was just an idiot person saying stupid stuff.

Steve Jobs: "The PC era is over, the post-PC era has now begun."
Richard Stallman: "Who needs Windows anyway?"

It's 2011 and 30+ years since Windows 1.0 and Windows 7 has sold on 94% of all new PCs, (compared to lower figures for previous operating systems) is selling 7 copies every second, took two weeks to achieve the same market share that Mac OSX Snow Leopard had in two months, and around three weeks to achieve the market share of the combined total of all versions of Mac OSX worldwide. If Windows is dead, then what about OSX and all those other operating systems that haven't done so well this year and last? Yup, this investor is not an idiot.

Windows brand image has taken a beating in the past decade, especially the past few years (since Vista's launch), theres no question. Young people on the go really don't care about Windows anymore, the days when people slept outside before a Windows launch are longggggg over. Now they sleep outside for an OS X launch

why would any one write or say such a thing.... I'll always with wings plus with leak guard will be a windows pc user....

One company, Hospital Housekeeping Systems, recently bought 50 iPads for its employees to help track how it keeps hospital rooms clean.

Wow, what a major project. Fifty whole iPads, that's big business!
/sigh at people's overrating of anything Apple related

Windows' former glory? What is this guy smokin'? It's enough to look at the world-wide OS stats to realise that Windows rules the desktop. Sure, mobile devices are on the rise, but so what? All tablets, consoles and even netbooks are niche products. There's no substitute to a full-blown OS and the versatility it offers - be it Windows, Mac OS, GNU/Linux or whatever. How many people do you know who dumped their desktop machine/laptop and switched to a tablet/console/mobile device entirely? I know quite a few people who own all of the above and zero of them have switched to any of them entirely.

I for one like the focal point an 'app store' represents. Even if you don't reinstall software as often as I and most geeks do (e.g. once per major OS release/SP/whatever) - it's a chore to keep software up-to-date, re-download, etc. It's doable but let's face it - it's a chore and a waste of time. That said it ain't a deal break - let alone the doom of Windows or any other mature desktop OS.

Breach said,
All tablets, consoles and even netbooks are niche products.

Dunno about consoles, but netbooks, hah! I remember when the whole publicity mass was saying that netbooks were the future... and how long did it last? 1-2 years?

Another mindless, ill informed and unprofessional post that again proves that current Newoin journalism is shockingly poor.

I work for an IT service provision company that supports 35,000 desktops for a single corporate client. Is this guy honestly trying to say that this and countless other large organisations are ditching MS Windows in favour of tablets and smartphones?

cough cough cough......

It is entirely MS's own doing. They made a conscious (and it will out wrong) decision.

They chose to abandon the laptop/desktop milieu with the upcoming Windows 8. Instead, are trying to compete with smart phones/tablets. One new OS just is not going to work well for both milieus (flash back to "Marketing 101-102" in college). They are way too late in joining the party--Apple, Android, etc. have already staked their claim.

Why didn't they keep two OS's for each milieu?
Why develop "applets" that could be downloaded and added to Windows 7? (Some could be free, some could be with a modest fee.) This would allow Windows 7 on laptops/desktops to better compete and complement the OS being used on smartphones and tables.

Maybe, MS needs to be severely chastened by the marketplace, as IBM, XEROX, GM, and other were when they strayed from their core competencies.

TsarNikky said,
One new OS just is not going to work well for both milieus (flash back to "Marketing 101-102" in college). They are way too late in joining the party--Apple, Android, etc. have already staked their claim.

Because when Win 8 comes out the "App" store will have about a billion ready to go apps that have already been developed for earlier versions of Windows. Along with the new and cool apps that the developers will be writing for Win 8 because the development atmosphere is that much easier. Microsoft isn't late to the party, Apple and Google just brought cases of beer to it. Microsoft is going to show up with the kegs.

Whatever. Windows is pretty damn ubiquitous at this point. Microsoft isn't going to lose that overnight because of a lack of an app store. Dumb article. Feel stupider just reading it.

This is complete BS. Windows 7 does not need an app store nor should it.

As for this quote:

The article says that 86 percent of all Fortune 500 companies are either using or testing the iPad in their businesses.

The iPad is not going to replace the PC (or Mac). It's only meant to complement it. Who cares if 86 percent of Fortune 500 companies are using the iPad. This will only kill Windows 8 tablet sales but not PC sales. The PC has a long way to go before being replaced by a tablet as far as I am concerned.

Here are some things I still need my PC for (alternatively you can say the same for Mac):


* AutoCAD (the iOS and Android App is not good enough to do heavy work especially if you want to add raster data.)
* Photoshop (the iOS and Android app is severely limited)
* ArcGIS (currently not available on the Mac and no iOS or Android App exist for general work with GIS type files (not even Google Earth for iOS and Android). Specific Apps can be created for the iOS and Android platform but again that is specific to a facility. It won't be an app where you can create and edit GIS files on the fly. Besides it just like AutoCAD, their is simply not enough RAM to handle raster files on these tablets.)

I can see the PC market slowing down big time. One of the reasons I have a laptop is because I can surf the web anywhere in the house. Usually when I'm doing work on my laptop I like to sit at my desk, more comfortable to sit there and work, than it is to sit on the sofa. My laptop cost near £1000, I could of got a similar spec PC for half the price. I also have a PC capable of doing the work I need to do. Just use the laptop more as I have it around the house and can surf the web and type up ideas as they come to me.

But I don't really need the laptop, the laptop could be replaced by an iPad for general surfing/chatting/emailing around the house. I could just go sit at my PC that's at my desk, for when I need to do some work.

So instead of having a PC in the house + my laptop + my dads laptop. I could essential replace 2 laptops with 2 iPads or one iPad for that matter as my dad doesn't use his laptop that often and when he does, its just to surf the web. Most people I know have 1 PC and a laptop or 2 laptops if not more depending on kids. You might just see tablets eating in to laptop/netbook sales. Desktop PC's may not change much + in the workplace iPads are an extension of desktop PCs and not a replacement for a desktop PC.

"The end of Windows" has been copied and pasted every year since 1995.

I'm sure businesses are just waiting to drop all their Desktop systems to move everyone to tablets and a new OS. Ancient software works great on completely new platforms.

"Hospital Housekeeping Systems, recently bought 50 iPads for its employees to help track how it keeps hospital rooms clean."

So something that can be done by pencil and paper for a fraction of the cost of an iPad is a good indicator now?

schubb2003 said,
"Hospital Housekeeping Systems, recently bought 50 iPads for its employees to help track how it keeps hospital rooms clean."

So something that can be done by pencil and paper for a fraction of the cost of an iPad is a good indicator now?

Well what they write on pencil and paper has to be put somewhere electronically usually now days. Which is a duplication of work, not to mention a waste of paper.
Similar to where I work, our officers are out on inspections noting things down on paper, to return to the office to type it up. We are testing iPad apps, where you do your inspection on an iPad app and it automatically uploads on to our main system. Cutting out paper and duplication of work. So you save on paper and pens/pencils + save time. This can only result in the iPad paying for its self sooner or later in the long run.

joemailey said,

So you save on paper and pens/pencils + save time. This can only result in the iPad paying for its self sooner or later in the long run.

Next time you check your itemized Hospital bill, right next to the $15 barf bag, and the $6 plastic cup you used to drink out of, will be the $35 charge for the IPAD subsidy. Soon enough the Win8 tabs will be half the price of the Apple stuff and order will be restored to the universe. MS fault for letting it go this far. No doubt.

joemailey said,

Well what they write on pencil and paper has to be put somewhere electronically usually now days. Which is a duplication of work, not to mention a waste of paper.
Similar to where I work, our officers are out on inspections noting things down on paper, to return to the office to type it up. We are testing iPad apps, where you do your inspection on an iPad app and it automatically uploads on to our main system. Cutting out paper and duplication of work. So you save on paper and pens/pencils + save time. This can only result in the iPad paying for its self sooner or later in the long run.

Yes, much, much later. $500 per person, per iPad. Plus a system to contain the documents when you check a box - toilet paper replaced, hand soap replaced, floor mopped. You can use the same sheet of paper 60+ times, then scan them into a document repository.

There is a major difference between say home inspections and cleaning a rest room.

Windows does have an app store, it is called the Internet. You need something, google it and 100 free software hits will pop up, pick one. It is one of the main reasons (and gaming) I still have a powerful windows machine.

The investor is actually partially right. He isn't right about the fact that it's too late to revive Microsoft Windows and that it's days are accounted for. It's the worlds mostly used OS and it won't change ever soon. Because there's still the consumer market...and typing a letter or making a spreadsheet on a tablet isn't that ideal and editing photo's or publishing websites on a tablet isn't ideal either.

The part where he is right and what I'm also able to see is the trend where more and more people companies buy tablets instead of a PC. Not for the power users, but for another group of large users with simple and basic tasks, where that do not require a PC. The story about the checking of in and out the rooms by the hospital cleaning company is a good example of that. It's a simple task that just doesn't require a laptop or a full PC. A small and lightweight tablet is more than enough for such a task. It's the same with reading an e-mail or viewing a simple document. Those tasks can easily be accomplished on a tablet. In the future a PC will probably only be used by power users, or users that require a PC for a specific task, but a tablet is the future for simple tasks.

Come on now! The desktop pc fading in popularity doesn't mean Windows cannot evolve! Where is the law that states that fact? lol, wow!

I'm sorry but this is like saying that smartphones are going to replace tv's. What is more threatening is game consoles. Lots of services are going onto them as they become more than game consoles.

Media pc's did have a slight rise a few years ago but their being replaced by new services on the xbox and ps3.

Basically imagine a xbox with windows 8 on it and Kinect integration. Pc's will still be around for a long time, especially for hardcore users or workplaces.

This guy must be trolling.

One more thing to add is that gaming is most likely a huge key player in the market as well. It's quite normal that physical device size is proportional with the GFLOPS (Gigaflops) that device can work with in terms of computational power.

Unless we invent light-processors running at low-power using nano-lasers or better quantum processors, small devices won't catch up with the computational power.

So to summarize. People can either use OnLive to game on the iPad, iStabler, iCarrot, iPotato or iPhone, or use a large PC with loads of computational power to actually run decent games.

I would LOVE to watch this guy sitting at his own computer, using it. It must be funnier than watching someone use the home button on the IPAD as the back button to go back through the front door to whatever app they use to TRY to type on.

Can you even imagine a bunch of people in cubicles using tablets to get work done. I'm still laughing. Bill Gates says it so eloquently when he describes all the form factors as all being PC's in one form or another, and that MS will be in the thick of it all, all the way.

These investor, stock, MORONS that are in charge of YOUR money, are the biggest group of stock manipulating SCUMBAGS, in existence. They are one step below the bankers that are systematically bilking this country into submission.

Whatever this guy says or most of them for that matter is to drive the stock down so he can buy it back again some day. Whatever they say, you can take it to the bank that it has nothing to do with anyones welfare but their own.

MS is sitting back and doing their job. Time will tell me what happens, not some moron who thinks he can replace his mouse with his middle finger.

They keep bashing Microsoft because they see 90% PC market that can go to Apple and make them big time money. Easy target and the more they say it the more they change consumer perception. This is all just calculated brainwashing and crap.

This is the worst article I have read ever. Just because Windows doesn't have a marketplace (yet), doesn't make it a show stopper in terms of an OS. OS's on the PC are so different than their mobile counterparts. You can easily acquire software via internet, CD's, etc for a computer, where as it's much easier to get apps from an app. store for mobile OS's.

Besides, PC's and mobile devices are so different. Both are here to stay. Nothing is dying.

Personally i think those "investors' are right about the personal non gamer computer being replaced by tablet.

And i personally find this really funny to see people call idiot other people who see this coming.

By personal computer here i mean computer not used for any business or profesionnal task.

And i think MS see this coming too and this is why Windows 8 will have better support for tablet and this is why MS push the xbox 360 really hard.

Tablets will be the way to go for personal computer. All-in-one video game consoles will be the way to go for gaming. It's happening.

No reason to own a desktop computer if the only thing you're doing is get your mail and surf the web.

I don't know what the stranger thing about this is: That he thinks Windows needs reviving or that they're late in the game for something...

Why are these people all fed up with tablet devices? Sure its easy to use but it nowhere near to what you can do and achieve with a windows/linux/mac os. I have a smartphone and we own a tablet but that's for things in the train/car or on the couch not for your every day work.

The thing is a big part of the PC market doesn't actually need that kind of power.

Tablets are small, portable (more than laptop), wake-up really fast from stanby mode, have enough battery life, are really easy to use (more than windows and osx for joe blow), apps are cheap, easy to get, simple to install and update.

And the more important is those tablets let you do what most joe blow actually needs to do with a PC which is get mail, surf the web, watch youtube, listen to music, write short letter, upload picture to flickr, update facebook, etc ...

"Elevation Partners has $1.9 billion of assets under management."

While Microsoft have 70b of revenue x year.

Hence, this Elevation Partners is a small fry trying to troll a big company. Even worst, they don't have $1.9b instead they are administrating $1.9b from other partner.

And it is way worst, Elevation Partners have a member from Apple and it is associated with Bono (From U2).

Plus
"The article says that 86 percent of all Fortune 500 companies are either using or testing the iPad in their businesses"

Fortune 500 companies USES a lot of software, it is common that the same company uses windows, osx and linux at the same time.

rippleman said,
An app store would be good for MOST windows users, and ofcourse, it wouldn't be intended for the users that are on Neowin...

That's the thing most people here at neowin fail to understand. Neowin != normal people.

Most people i know who own a computer use it to get their mail, check their bank account, update facebook, watch youtube, listen to music, etc etc etc.

1 of them already replaced his PC by an iPad. Some of them think about it. And the others will follow.

Of course it's not the whole market. Windows will still own the business market. Windows wil still own a big part of the pro market.

But i think this is a good move by MS to make Windows 8 more tablet friendly. Ms is not dumb.

Sure, that might be the bulk of activities. But if there's 10% left that the tablet can't do properly (write long documents easily, work from home, use a big screen), those people will still have a PC around - just used less.

Kirkburn said,
Sure, that might be the bulk of activities. But if there's 10% left that the tablet can't do properly (write long documents easily, work from home, use a big screen), those people will still have a PC around - just used less.

Psst: check Toshiba or Lenovo; they, among others, make devices called "Tablet PCs" . I can assure you that I can write very long documents on my old Toshiba M400 and I do not need to be a good typist: I just handwrite the doc and my Tablet change it in block characters.

Kirkburn said,
I'm not referring to tablets that have keyboards.

Well these devices are Tablets; this is what really upset me nowadays: people think that "Tablet" are iPad and clones while, at most, they should be called "Media Tablet".

Kirkburn said,
I'm not referring to tablets that have keyboards.

So you are referring to what exactly then? The iPad and most if not all Android tablets all have keyboard attachments so you couldn't be referring to them either.

ILikeTobacco said,
So you are referring to what exactly then? The iPad and most if not all Android tablets all have keyboard attachments so you couldn't be referring to them either.
Yes, many things can have attachments that help turn them into something else. I'm talking about the general case: a tablet is not a complete desktop/laptop replacement.

So while I might be able to do 90% of my activities on a tablet (this is completely untrue personally), that other 10% means I still need a desktop around. I expect most households would continue to be in that situation.

For one, tablets are size limited. No, I don't want to hook it up to my TV to do more stuff, and it won't give me more freedom anyway.

Edited by Kirkburn, Aug 16 2011, 12:11am :

Kirkburn said,
Yes, many things can have attachments that help turn them into something else. I'm talking about the general case: a tablet is not a complete desktop/laptop replacement.

There is no debate that a Tablet is not a replacement for a desktop but it is a replacement, actually I would say an evolution, of a laptop.
I do not see one task that a laptop can complete and a Tablet cannot.
Of course I would prefer to watch a movie on my 22" desktop monitor than a 12" laptop/Tablet screen but watching it on a 52' TV screen is even better.

One thing a tablet can't do that a laptop can: lots of typing.

(If I add a keyboard to my tablet, it's not really a tablet, it's a laptop with a touchscreen)

Kirkburn said,
One thing a tablet can't do that a laptop can: lots of typing.

(If I add a keyboard to my tablet, it's not really a tablet, it's a laptop with a touchscreen)

It depends: the original "Tablet PC" concept showed by BG included "Convertible" and "Slate" devices; personally I always bought the former. The idea that a "Tablet" is a keyboard-less device is a Steve Jobs idea; it seems to work for many but it does not for me.
And yes, a Tablet with a keyboard is a replacement for a laptop, I always thought and like it the concept exacty for this reason. iPad and clones should be called "Media Tablet" to distinguish them from the "real" tablets but, unfortunately, Steve Jobs decided that a Tablet does not have a keyboard.......... and the flock followed.........

Kirkburn said,
One thing a tablet can't do that a laptop can: lots of typing.

(If I add a keyboard to my tablet, it's not really a tablet, it's a laptop with a touchscreen)

It depends: the original "Tablet PC" concept showed by BG included "Convertible" and "Slate" devices; personally I always bought the former. The idea that a "Tablet" is a keyboard-less device is a Steve Jobs idea; it seems to work for many but it does not for me.
And yes, a Tablet with a keyboard is a replacement for a laptop, I always thought and like it the concept exacty for this reason. iPad and clones should be called "Media Tablet" to distinguish them from the "real" tablets but, unfortunately, Steve Jobs decided that a Tablet does not have a keyboard.......... and the flock followed.........

Kirkburn said,
One thing a tablet can't do that a laptop can: lots of typing.

(If I add a keyboard to my tablet, it's not really a tablet, it's a laptop with a touchscreen)

It depends: the original "Tablet PC" concept showed by BG included "Convertible" and "Slate" devices; personally I always bought the former. The idea that a "Tablet" is a keyboard-less device is a Steve Jobs idea; it seems to work for many but it does not for me.
And yes, a Tablet with a keyboard is a replacement for a laptop, I always thought and like it the concept exacty for this reason. iPad and clones should be called "Media Tablet" to distinguish them from the "real" tablets but, unfortunately, Steve Jobs decided that a Tablet does not have a keyboard.......... and the flock followed.........

Tablet/iPad could only be used to complement PC. It won't completely replace it as PC is still powerful machine to do your daily production work like AutoCAD, Adobe Photoshop, blah blah.....

Furthermore, tablet is completely locked down unit where a lot of things, it still could not do as compared with PC.

I can not do my job on a tablet. I also can't do it on a mac. Linux would be the only real alternative and honestly that's just not very realistic either. And that's not likely to change any time soon. So a few execs that don't really do anything besides pass emails around have switched to tablets and smart phones, good for them; we've got a few of those types at my company as well, but the people that are actually working are working on a windows machine.

Rookas said,
I can not do my job on a tablet. I also can't do it on a mac. Linux would be the only real alternative and honestly that's just not very realistic either. And that's not likely to change any time soon. So a few execs that don't really do anything besides pass emails around have switched to tablets and smart phones, good for them; we've got a few of those types at my company as well, but the people that are actually working are working on a windows machine.

If you can't do your job on a 12 core and 32GB of Ram Mac with Windows installed, I would love to know what your job is.

Rookas said,
I can not do my job on a tablet. I also can't do it on a mac. Linux would be the only real alternative and honestly that's just not very realistic either. And that's not likely to change any time soon. So a few execs that don't really do anything besides pass emails around have switched to tablets and smart phones, good for them; we've got a few of those types at my company as well, but the people that are actually working are working on a windows machine.

If you can't do your job on a 12 core and 32GB of Ram Mac with Windows installed, I would love to know what your job is.

ILikeTobacco said,

If you can't do your job on a 12 core and 32GB of Ram Mac with Windows installed, I would love to know what your job is.

It might not be a question of available power, but of available software

Sraf said,

It might not be a question of available power, but of available software

Windows is available to run on Macs with no issue so its not a matter of available software. If it runs on Windows PCs, it runs on Macs

ILikeTobacco said,

Windows is available to run on Macs with no issue so its not a matter of available software. If it runs on Windows PCs, it runs on Macs

But what would be the point of buying a Mac in a corporate environment if you are just going to run Windows on it? Most corps bulk buy their computers, and tend to go for the less expensive stuff for 90% of the company, slightly better stuff for the coders and graphics people (who might actually get the Macs) and the really high end stuff for the execs (who don't need the power but dammit they are going to have the best!)

Sraf said,

But what would be the point of buying a Mac in a corporate environment if you are just going to run Windows on it? Most corps bulk buy their computers, and tend to go for the less expensive stuff for 90% of the company, slightly better stuff for the coders and graphics people (who might actually get the Macs) and the really high end stuff for the execs (who don't need the power but dammit they are going to have the best!)

That is beyond the point. Is it expensive and retarded for someone to do, sure. But remember exactly what was said:

"I can not do my job on a tablet. I also can't do it on a mac"

He didn't say he doesn't want to do it on a Mac or that it is to expensive. He said he CAN'T do it which is completely false and reflects what a surprising number of people on Neowin ignore to make points. A Mac is Intel based now and can run Windows which means anything that a Windows PC can do, so can a Mac.

ILikeTobacco said,

That is beyond the point. Is it expensive and retarded for someone to do, sure. But remember exactly what was said:

"I can not do my job on a tablet. I also can't do it on a mac"

He didn't say he doesn't want to do it on a Mac or that it is to expensive. He said he CAN'T do it which is completely false and reflects what a surprising number of people on Neowin ignore to make points. A Mac is Intel based now and can run Windows which means anything that a Windows PC can do, so can a Mac.

I'll give you that, maybe he should have phrased it more along the lines of

"I can not do my job on a tablet. I also can't do it on Mac OSX"

ILikeTobacco said,

"I can not do my job on a tablet. I also can't do it on a mac"

He didn't say he doesn't want to do it on a Mac or that it is to expensive. He said he CAN'T do it which is completely false and reflects what a surprising number of people on Neowin ignore to make points. A Mac is Intel based now and can run Windows which means anything that a Windows PC can do, so can a Mac.

Maybe he's on a CISC based system. Solaris is still alive and well. Nowhere did he mention he used a PC. The geosciences are still heavily CISC based.

I think it's reasonable to assume that if someone says they can't do something on a Mac, they aren't talking about installing Windows on it. Otherwise why would they say Mac in the first place.

dotf said,

Maybe he's on a CISC based system. Solaris is still alive and well. Nowhere did he mention he used a PC. The geosciences are still heavily CISC based.

"we've got a few of those types at my company as well, but the people that are actually working are working on a windows machine. "

Kirkburn said,
I think it's reasonable to assume that if someone says they can't do something on a Mac, they aren't talking about installing Windows on it. Otherwise why would they say Mac in the first place.

Again that is beyond the point. He said he CAN'T, not he WON'T.

ILikeTobacco said,

Again that is beyond the point. He said he CAN'T, not he WON'T.

OK, if we go by that logic nothing is impossible, he could do it on a calculator too, but is it really worth the effort? Why nit pick on a something so simple, most everyone else accepted the fact that he most likely meant won't.

SierraSonic said,
OK, if we go by that logic nothing is impossible, he could do it on a calculator too, but is it really worth the effort? Why nit pick on a something so simple, most everyone else accepted the fact that he most likely meant won't.

He could do it on a calculator but not on a tablet? What form of logic are you smoking?

ILikeTobacco said,

If you can't do your job on a 12 core and 32GB of Ram Mac with Windows installed, I would love to know what your job is.

Let me clarify then. I can't do my job on an Apple OS. Besides, you're arguing a moot point. The article states that windows is dying and you're saying "but, you can run windows on a mac". WTF?

Rookas said,

Let me clarify then. I can't do my job on an Apple OS. Besides, you're arguing a moot point. The article states that windows is dying and you're saying "but, you can run windows on a mac". WTF?

I was just curious about what job you did that couldn't be done specifically on a Mac. Now that you clarified, the question is answered indirectly.

+1 to probably all of these comments.

Windows is everywhere and something that big doesn't fall to pieces as soon as a new iPad comes out that will not do a quarter of the tasks a PC can.

#TeamMicrosoft

Dumb investor.

He doesn't get that windows are transparent. Windows will run on every CPU regardless of architecture by the end of the decade, powering the best consumer experiences from games to cars to handhelds, tablets, PCs, Point-of-Sale terminals, Cars, etc..

I bet he probably tries to recussitate his girlfriend because she's sleeping.

Revive Windows? I had no idea the world's most widely used OS was dead?

Investors are unhappy because Microsoft is not Apple or Google, but the time for those companies will come to an end some day...

he's right. i read a report somewhere that Taiwanese OEM's spent more on Mobile and Tablet silicon than PC components combined - for the first time.

W8 inspite of being innovative may not be enough to reverse the trend.

guru said,
he's right. i read a report somewhere that Taiwanese OEM's spent more on Mobile and Tablet silicon than PC components combined - for the first time.

W8 inspite of being innovative may not be enough to reverse the trend.

It doesn't need to, Win8 is meant to embrace the trend of ARM powered portable devices, while holding on to the good old powerhouse machines as well

It does have a unified App store, its called Steam and its all I need

But seriously, WTF? I really don't see many people ditching their PC and performing processor heavy tasks like graphical design or 3D modelling.
Switching to a tablet would be a massive decrease in productivity as well, unless you provide a keyboard for a tablet and then you need a desk to put it on so you might as well fill that desk with a more powerful Mac or PC which can multitask better.

Article is complete garbage

Teebor said,
It does have a unified App store, its called Steam and its all I need

But seriously, WTF? I really don't see many people ditching their PC and performing processor heavy tasks like graphical design or 3D modelling.
Switching to a tablet would be a massive decrease in productivity as well, unless you provide a keyboard for a tablet and then you need a desk to put it on so you might as well fill that desk with a more powerful Mac or PC which can multitask better.

Article is complete garbage


Most people don't do a whole lot of production on their home PCs though...

If sales of 400 million and over 90% marketshare indicates a market that is beyond reviving, how about the miniscule Mac sales? That OS is dead, buried and on its 10th memorial going by his logic.

Windows will never die, everyone knows there aren't any games on Macs!

But on a more serious note; Windows won't die any time soon because Macs aren't big on gaming, and they'll never be able to keep up to Windows since you can't just go changing a part in a Mac(since Apple only likes certain pieces of hardware in their machines), unlike Windows where it is just stick it in and you're good to go.

Zeet said,
Windows will never die, everyone knows there aren't any games on Macs!

But on a more serious note; Windows won't die any time soon because Macs aren't big on gaming, and they'll never be able to keep up to Windows since you can't just go changing a part in a Mac(since Apple only likes certain pieces of hardware in their machines), unlike Windows where it is just stick it in and you're good to go.

O.o Comparing software to hardware? That doesn't exactly make sense. Also you can install Windows on a Mac and play the games making your entire point invalid. Also most people don't bother upgrading their computers so the changing hardware thing is also pointless in the grand scheme of things. Just because we all do it, doesn't mean the the general public does.

ILikeTobacco said,

O.o Comparing software to hardware? That doesn't exactly make sense. Also you can install Windows on a Mac and play the games making your entire point invalid. Also most people don't bother upgrading their computers so the changing hardware thing is also pointless in the grand scheme of things. Just because we all do it, doesn't mean the the general public does.

Did you forget that we are still in a recession. More and more people rather spend less $$ and upgrade their systems rather than go out and buy an entirely new PC.

collectionking13 said,

Did you forget that we are still in a recession. More and more people rather spend less $$ and upgrade their systems rather than go out and buy an entirely new PC.

Anyone whose finances are actually messed up by this recession shouldn't be doing either in the first place. On top of that, who would spend $100 on system upgrades when all they have to do is wait about 3 months and spend $200 on a brand new system for $200? People replace their computers every 4 or so years in most cases and not because they need to, but because they want a new shiney. A perfect example is when college students buy a new computer when they start college, which is a legitimate reason, and another when they finish, just because theirs is old. A simple format of the system would make it run good as new. Why don't they? They don't know how. It's the same reason people don't upgrade their desktops.

collectionking13 said,

Did you forget that we are still in a recession. More and more people rather spend less $$ and upgrade their systems rather than go out and buy an entirely new PC.

I'd rather get a netbook than a Tablet if that's what you're referring to.

ILikeTobacco said,

O.o Comparing software to hardware? That doesn't exactly make sense. Also you can install Windows on a Mac and play the games making your entire point invalid. Also most people don't bother upgrading their computers so the changing hardware thing is also pointless in the grand scheme of things. Just because we all do it, doesn't mean the the general public does.

Did you just read what you typed:: You can install windows on your MAC to play games if that's what you wanted to do then why not just buy a Windows PC why even bother with MAC OS hmmmm answer me that

It is not "too late to revive Windows" because Windows doesn't need to be revived. Its market is going strong. Apple's market and Microsoft's market are two different markets. Windows users are generally power-users that want the ability to customize their computing experience and tweak whatever they want and aren't bothered by driver installations and registries and "lack of an App Store" whereas Mac users want to open the box, plug it in and use it right away the way Apple intended it, without much room for tweaking and customization. Take these things away and you have two operating environments that basically do the same thing.

Mac OSX is for everybody. Windows is also for everybody but people that like to think for themselves (and aren't 100 years old with diminished ability to learn) are preferred.......nah just kidding .......or am I?

ManOfMystery said,

Mac OSX is for everybody. Windows is also for everybody but people that like to think for themselves (and aren't 100 years old with diminished ability to learn) are preferred.......nah just kidding .......or am I?
"Let's think different! Let's go to Windows just like 90% of the world does!"

Who gives a crap about an app store?! This guy is just a clueless knob. I feel sorry for anyone taking investment advice from that guy or his company.

As long as there is a need for budget systems and as long as businesses can't do the jump to linux there will be Windows. Also, Windows is getting better and better.
This guy, is just full of ****.

Lucas said,
PC will never die.

I guess kind like we would never need more that about 13 computers in the world and how we would never be able to get their weight down to under a kilogram?
Never say never, specially about tech

When this guy shows me a tablet that can run my Team Fortress 2 and SW:TOR games at 1920x1080 resolution on a 32" screen, my with trusty Logitech keyboard and mouse, through my hardline internet connection... then I'll believe Microsoft Windows is done for.
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Agreed. Mobile is another form factor, not a complete replacement. (No need to plug your own sites in the comments though, can't say it looks professional)

McCordRm said,
When this guy shows me a tablet that can run my Team Fortress 2 and SW:TOR games at 1920x1080 resolution on a 32" screen, my with trusty Logitech keyboard and mouse, through my hardline internet connection... then I'll believe Microsoft Windows is done for.

I'm not a gamer, so they're unimportant to me, but the day a tablet can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, After Effects, et al, a FULL office suit, etc, then, and only then, I'll believe the PC era and Windows are going to die soon for the home and small/medium businesses. Furthermore, I just can't see a tablet running simulation software, for example (medical, oil, financial, weather and atmospheric, aeronautical and space, automotive and MANY OTHERS in LARGE INDUSTRIES) any time in the next 10-20 years.

IMO also, this guy's completely lost.

Edited by Gladiatorus, Aug 15 2011, 5:56pm :

what windows is over because of mobile operating systems (whole different market and tablets are not taking over.) features that aren't in it or were around when it came out ? none of the stated makes sense so wtf... why is this moron investing in stuff they have no idea about...

Yes, yes! Everyone must now embrace Jobsian fondleslabs. The future has been reinvented in a neverending loop of progress! *cough*

The guy is full of sh*t. *cough*

The reason is that he believes the PC market is moving over to the tablet and the smartphone

Bit of a gem we have here. It seems that this investor does not realize that Win8 is being geared towards tablets, and that MS has a strong contender in WP7 (now if only they can get marketshare)

Sraf said,

Bit of a gem we have here. It seems that this investor does not realize that Win8 is being geared towards tablets, and that MS has a strong contender in WP7 (now if only they can get marketshare)

Although I have a HD7 I do not think WP7 is/will be a strong contender. If as rumored W8will power smartphones, a version tailred for these specific devices of course, things could be very differet.
As for this "analyst" predictions it seems very uninformed to me: Tablet is a term coined by MS and while I admit that so far Tablets using MS OS havenot been very succesfully I can tell you that there is a lot o potential there: sure they might not last ten hours straight but...... people do not usually work ten hours without interruption and a "real" Tablet allows you to work, iPad and clones do not. I replaced my latop in 2002 with a MS powered tablet and I never looked back. With my Toshiba M400 I have all the advantages of a laptop plus the ones offered by a Tablet included Handwritng capabilities for example; something that the iPad and its clones do not even dream about.

Fritzly said,

Although I have a HD7 I do not think WP7 is/will be a strong contender. If as rumored W8will power smartphones, a version tailred for these specific devices of course, things could be very differet.


Never heard that rumour, MS has made their standpoint very clear, Windows 8 and onward should run on all PCs, that includes (arm based) tablets. It does not however include smartphones.

I am sure some odd company will make a smartphone with windows 8 though

Leonick said,

Never heard that rumour, MS has made their standpoint very clear, Windows 8 and onward should run on all PCs, that includes (arm based) tablets. It does not however include smartphones.

I am sure some odd company will make a smartphone with windows 8 though

Time will tell if we will see W8 on smartphones but I would not call Intel an "odd company":

http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011...-to-phones-windows-phone-7/

yowan said,
Some people just fail to realize the modern PC is still more powerful than any other tablet or smartphone

I agree. But I think what these people are thinking is that for the 'general' population that didn't really need a PC to begin with now have the choice of getting 'a tablet' (or smartphone) which in some respects currently costs more than an 'average' PC.

yowan said,
Some people just fail to realize the modern PC is still more powerful than any other tablet or smartphone

Even the most notebook computer is barely more powerful than a mid-tier desktop. You lose a lot of computing power when you go portable in ANY form factor.

yowan said,
Some people just fail to realize the modern PC is still more powerful than any other tablet or smartphone

Some people fail to realize that those people you are talking about don't care. If it does what they think they need and its cool then it is awesome!

This guy just doesn't know what he is talking about.

First of all Windows is a brand it isn't tied down to just one single experience (the desktop) Microsoft have Windows Phone 7 and even the XBOX 360 runs Windows underneath its user interface. As a brand and core technology Windows is everywhere and Microsoft are making large strides with Windows 8. Not to mention it will run on ARM devices and includes a Windows Phone 7 inspired user interface for use on tablet devices.

This investor is simply uninformed when it comes to technology.

I love these articles, they ignore the fact that Windows is on 90% of the world's systems and that there are countless applications in the corporate world that cannot, or will not be ported to other platforms.

Cloud based computing is much of the future, including browser, tablet and smart phones, but Windows is not going to disappear or even be minimized for a long time.

James Rose said,
I love these articles, they ignore the fact that Windows is on 90% of the world's systems and that there are countless applications in the corporate world that cannot, or will not be ported to other platforms.

Cloud based computing is much of the future, including browser, tablet and smart phones, but Windows is not going to disappear or even be minimized for a long time.

Windows 7 is also the fastest selling OS in history, its a bit random to say that Windows days are over.

Didn't you read the article?

One company, Hospital Housekeeping Systems, recently bought 50 iPads for its employees to help track how it keeps hospital rooms clean.

That's it! Game over Microsoft.

lt8480 said,

I was thinking the same, 50 - whoa!


Its good to know some companies are spending $500 per device so people have a check list to clean a room... Nothing a $100 budget android could offer...

What? A lack of a unified app store in Win 7 is a problem? Why?

I don't really care for an app store. All the software I need is easily accessible.

ZAnwar said,
What? A lack of a unified app store in Win 7 is a problem? Why?

I don't really care for an app store. All the software I need is easily accessible.

+1 .

I know where I can find the apps I want/need. If I don't, Google can help me find them. I don't want/need app store. It's usefull to have the store on Android/iOs/WebOS or any OS for mobile stuff, but I do not see the point on PCs.

ZAnwar said,
What? A lack of a unified app store in Win 7 is a problem? Why?

I don't really care for an app store. All the software I need is easily accessible.

If those market analysts were any good with technology, they would know that PCs are NOT going to be replaced. But yes... sales will decline.
Nobody dumps an OS because of a lack of an App Store and no one really cares about App Stores in a desktop OS anyway.
Some idiots think PCs should disappear, but they won't. Those people only use computers to write, browse the internet and make simple spreadsheets, but hello... The world is MUCH more complex than that.

ZAnwar said,
What? A lack of a unified app store in Win 7 is a problem? Why?

I don't really care for an app store. All the software I need is easily accessible.


I don't care for an app store either but you and I and indeed most of the people who read Neowin are probably "power users" and don't constitute a majority of PC users. I think the "great unwashed masses" do in fact want a unified app store. As an indication of that I've noticed more and more gamers for example saying that they aren't getting a game unless it's available on steam... in the absence of one from MS Steam has essentially become the gaming app store of the PC.

ZAnwar said,
What? A lack of a unified app store in Win 7 is a problem? Why?

I don't really care for an app store. All the software I need is easily accessible.

We actually have an "app store" to search our apps, free or not it's often called google (or sometimes other names)

ZAnwar said,
What? A lack of a unified app store in Win 7 is a problem? Why?

I don't really care for an app store. All the software I need is easily accessible.

All desktop OS's have an app store. It's call the "Internet".

Asmodai said,

I don't care for an app store either but you and I and indeed most of the people who read Neowin are probably "power users" and don't constitute a majority of PC users. I think the "great unwashed masses" do in fact want a unified app store. As an indication of that I've noticed more and more gamers for example saying that they aren't getting a game unless it's available on steam... in the absence of one from MS Steam has essentially become the gaming app store of the PC.

Indeed, we need to think of the more common computer users...
Then again, I've never heard my mom or sister ever say something about windows lack of appstore, they do like having it on their phones though.

ZAnwar said,
What? A lack of a unified app store in Win 7 is a problem? Why?

I don't really care for an app store. All the software I need is easily accessible.


ZAnwar said,
What? A lack of a unified app store in Win 7 is a problem? Why?

I don't really care for an app store. All the software I need is easily accessible.

Right, that's about as deep as saying Apple can't compete because of a lack of right mouse button. In fact, unfortunaly, I may add, Win8 will have your stupid app store. Still no right mouse button on macs though.

I feel bad for whoever's money thus guy is responsible for, and I wish Neowin would do a credibility check instead of just reposting garbage.