iPad Air outselling previous models, seems destined to be a hit

Barely a few days since its launch and the new iPad Air seems to be a massive hit with consumers. Data shows its adoption rate is significantly higher compared to last year’s iPad 4 and iPad Mini devices.

Fiksu, an app marketing company, has been tracking how well the new Apple slab is doing and judging by their data it seems like the public finds the new device very attractive. Only three days have passed since the iPad Air hit markets and it’s already outselling Apple’s previous tablets.

According to this data, iPad Air represents 0.92% of all active devices right now which is almost eight times higher than what the iPad 4 managed to sell in its first couple of days, and almost five times more when compared to last year’s iPad Mini.

Of course one important point to note here is that Apple had a staggered release last year with weeks passing between the launch of the Wi-fi only models and the launch of the cellular models. But even so, this data points to a very strong start for Apple’s new device and we have no doubt the company will brag about it at their next event.

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stevan said,
AT&T is reporting a triple increase in iPad activations over last year....
Did you read why?

One very good reason is the ATT Next, which allows you to make a very small down payment and pay the rest monthly. Which is awesome, because the iPad required you pay the full price upfront. In the past, Apple stated the cellular models were not top sellers due to the price. So thanks to the Next, you can put down a small amount, pay the rest over a couple years. Much less of an impact on the wallet. So yes that to me is a huge sales driver.

They also stated the shared data plans is a good deal, with before each device had to have its own data plan which is pricey. Now that they all can share data for one price, that is a nice plus as well.

Since VZW also has similar plans and so does T-Mobile. So that should increase sales too.
I personally avoided the cellular models of the iPad, because unlike my phone, I can't bill it to the account and pay later. And $800 upfront was a bit pricey. So now, if VZW adds the iPad to its new plan, I will likely hop onto a cellular model, so I don't have to tether off my phone.

this is really surprising, there was not much hype around this release... I guess adding the word "air" is the secret to marketing success.

Its an amazing device.. thin, light, fast and for me fits in one hand while still being 'full size'. I am very impressed.

Why does everyone associate apple with innovation? i think there the most laziest company that exists atm. Sure they make a product that thinner, lighter more powerful, better battery life... thats not innovation its an evolution of technology. Take intel, i7 950 power hungry, sandybridge much faster memory controller, faster chip etc, ivy bridge more powerful (and a die shrink in somewhere) more powerful iGPU, and haswell lower TDP so better on battery life, more powerful iGPU. Making baytrail which is supposed to go into consumer tablets and stuff (i think) more advanced than whatevers in the ipad most likely.

ATi and Nvidia, same thing GPUs get more powerful adjustments to the core, releasing new architectures on smaller die processes making it faster, sure its innovating by the dictionary definition but no one ever associates anyone but apple these days using the term innovation.

and the reason why i think there the most laziest company around is cus they pretty much do NOTHING with there OS cus they dont need to.. they let everyone else solve the problems that are lacking in there operating system through apps, and whatever they need in the OS they steal, there so two faced its annoying but they get away with it. Sure they changed the UI in iOS 7 but woopy doo probably took them 12 months to do what a normal company could knock out in 2-3 months.

Dont forget that they did innovate on the control panel screen in iOS7. Androids swipes from the top but theirs swipes from the bottom. Also, Androids seems to be more feature packed which Apple doesnt think necessary for a control panel to quickly access phone features. /s

I agree with you though. Lazy and they polish other peoples innovation to fit their system. THEN they rename it to add marketing language and it sells like hot cakes. If anything Apple is the worlds innovator in marketing to sell so many iPods of different screen sizes to people.

im not trolling its a simple fact, processors get better, power consumption goes down with smaller die shrinks and processing power goes up, other components get smaller means SoC's and stuff get smaller/can add more stuff to it etc but you never hear the term "innovation" with intel, AMD (cpu and gfx) nvidia, etc etc even in the software world "innovating" i.e. making there software products better and more robust adding more features yet you never ever hear the term innovating with anyone else as much as you do with apple products and that is a simple FACT.

They are geniuses at marketing and brand recognition to have this impact.... apple could do an advert like cadburys where they had different types of emergency vehicles driving up a runway and have an ape playing the drums then just stick Apple at the end, i was like WTF but it stuck in my head lol. Wont make any difference the product will still sell by the millions

Go read intel, and and nvidia product announcements. I think you'll be surprised at how many times the word innovate is used.

Now show me where Apple used it while announcing ipad air?

im talking about peoples perception of innovation, people dont go round saying wow amd innovated with trueAudio or intel innovated with a better iGPU, but theyll go round saying apple innovated with the 64bit arm processor or innovated by making it thinner and stuff... smallest part of innovation ever and Yeah nvidia and intel can go round saying that cus they do actually innovate but the general consumer doesnt see it like that.

http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_ipad_air-5797.php VS http://www.gsmarena.com/samsun...0_1_(2014_edition)-5677.php

Considering all the pluses of the Note 10.1 over the iPad, I can't see how people keep falling for this. Not going to turn this in an Android vs iOS thing. But just look at how much more you really get.

The Ipad, one app at a time yet it claims full multi-tasking vs seeing full multi-tasking capability right on the screen. The specs on the Note are better too. Better higher resolution screen, bigger screen, more RAM, faster CPU, very impressive GPU, offers real usable features right in the software, where you don't have to down $500 worth of apps to make them similar.

The Note could actually be used as a desktop replacement for someone who dosn;t need Windows. Supports any keyboard, USB or wireless, mice wireless or USB, external storage and more.

I think this kinda shows when people get so stuck on one thing, they don't even consider other options. The iPad is ok, but it gets so boring watching movies all the time and playing reskinned games from the 80s/90s. Its nice to escape from that and do something creative because the Note offers an option for using skills.

You do realize that this topic is about an apple product outselling previous apple products? Nothing about android or other tablets here. So why come and write an essay about a competing product. Do you ever have anything to say related to the actual topic.

Ever wonder why you're labelled as a troll?

stevan said,
You do realize that this topic is about an apple product outselling previous apple products? Nothing about android or other tablets here. So why come and write an essay about a competing product. Do you ever have anything to say related to the actual topic.

Ever wonder why you're labelled as a troll?

Actually as far as I remember, you're the only one who called me a troll. I am not trolling. First off I know what the article is about.

The facts of what I said, are about the sales.
The question is simple, outside of the fact that many of US, that includes me who own an iPad who have invested in apps/media, what is the appeal "now" of the iPad, that this model is getting huge sales?

Yes, it does have "some" improvements. But are they significant enough that a person with an iPad 3 or 4 should get the Air? IMO, the answer is no, and I am not the only one of this opinion. How is that trolling?

See here is what is great about being platform agnostic, I can criticize allof them whether I use them or not. I don't own an Android tablet, mostly because I think all but 2 of them suck. The Note is the only one I would ever buy. The iPad. is the other only tablet I would ever buy. I considered many tablets and upon usage I fond all of them to be boring and that includes the iPad. The only reason I have an iPad is because I have purchased lots of apps and music and I keep it for my investment. However, I rarely use it as my Note 3 is better in lots of ways. I actually don't like 10" tablets anymore, simply because most of them are just big in size, but offer nothing to go with it, with exception of the Note. The only reason I didn't get the Note 10.1 2014, was simply because I didn't want it carry a large device and the Note 3 does everything it does only smaller.

I want a tablet as a tool, not a toy. Even though it is my toy. It simply needs to be more than just a toy. On the outside the iPad looks very clean, its pretty and it looks nice. All Apple products have this appeal. The issue is when I turn it on, it doesn't have that same appeal where it matters most.

Which drives my question. Since the iPad has remained virtually unchanged since the very first model, why are so many running to get this one vs the others?

I didn't write an essay...I gave a fervent opinion. I avoid the childish remarks you all like to throw people. I'm not discourage by fanboi antics and name calling. In fact, as soon as you drop a name, I already know that means your whole attempt to counter my argument has lost all substance.

Its like a bar fight. Some guys argue and talk all big, then they get outside and get knocked down. Since they lost, they resort to name calling because they can't win any other way.

Labels mean nothing. Its your opinion. It usually takes a troll to know a troll. Doesn't it?

I replaced my iPad 3 with the Air and it is fantastic. For what I use it for (web browsing, chat, entertainment) the new form factor is perfect. Why would I want to hold a big ass surface for any of those activities? The screen is great, it's super light, has the best/most apps/games, and just works. For all the haters out there how can you even argue against that? Yeah it is expensive but it is a quality piece and doesn't feel like I'm holding a big chunk of plastic. Call me an iSheep or whatever term you like but I will keep using the tablet that does what I use it for the best.

In other new, sunlight seems to be hitting it off as very popular with the photosynthesis crowd. Nothing to see here, at least walking around the lines of shepeople outside apple stores doesn't require watching out for poo, but of course you can't sheer them and make yarn either, so bummer.

A lot of people who are buying iPad Air don't care about what Surface offer and that's 'full time computer'. Surface and iPad Air targets different people and it just happens that they are a lot of more people going for iPad Air. Microsoft misjudged market, really unfortunate because Surface is a kick ass product.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if MS could create a version of Surface pro with hardware this light and this elegant?
While I appreciate that the processing requirement is different, my 1st-gen Surface pro just feels too heavy, too thick, and the wrong aspect ratio. Nice technology, perhaps, but poor aesthetics when you contrast with what Apple can do.

Funny how everyone is complaining about lack of innovation. This is a product selling in its millions, why change a winning formula.

one word....Porsche

It's because people can't make up their mind on exactly what innovation is. Apparently making the device thinner while putting a more powerful processor and keeping the same battery life isn't innovation. But oh well.

glen8 said,
Funny how everyone is complaining about lack of innovation. This is a product selling in its millions, why change a winning formula.

one word....Porsche

Because we expect that when a product has been out 5 years, the 5th product shouldn't be exactly like the first.

Look at today's smartphone and compare it to one 5 years ago. Look at todays cars, compared to one 5 years ago.

The product is suppose ot change with time. Peoples needs change over time. Which means the product should support the new needs. The iPad has remained the same, because for some reason Apple seems to want to keep you stuck on watching videos and playing reskinned games. As if this is the ONLY purpose of a computer that is portable.

JUst because you can sell millions of something, doesn't mean its the best. That is why product are improved.

What you are going to see happen is what happened to Microsoft and Intel. When MS didn't evolove Windows Mobile, look what happen...they got beat. Look what happened to Intel when they missed the opportunity to make mobile chips, they got beat. Look at what is happening to the iPad. Last year at this time it has 60% of the market and now it has 30%. Sure they are still selling millions, but the rest are too.

Apple sells millions of Macs too. I guess that makes them better than pc's that also sell in the millions? If the Mac si so great, why cant Apple sell 200M of them in a year? How come they have sold 200M in a lifetime?

Sells figures are not a metric for denoting a good or bad product. As you mention a Porsche. Obviously it is better than a Toyota. But the Camry is still the top selling car in the world last I check...not a Porsche. Is the Camry better because it sells in the millions? An since it does, how come today's Camry is better than the one 5 years ago? Sure they stuck with come basics, but the car has evolve with time...its more efficient, it has nicer styling and everything has been improved inside an out. Not like Apple who all they did was put a new skin on an outdate OS and a new case on the outside.

Edited by Hi_XPecTa_Chens, Nov 4 2013, 9:32pm :

TechieXP said,
Sells figures are not a metric for denoting a good or bad product. As you mention a Porsche. Obviously it is better than a Toyota. But the Camry is still the top selling car in the world last I check...not a Porsche. Is the Camry better because it sells in the millions? An since it does, how come today's Camry is better than the one 5 years ago? Sure they stuck with come basics, but the car has evolve with time...its more efficient, it has nicer styling and everything has been improved inside an out. Not like Apple who all they did was put a new skin on an outdate OS and a new case on the outside.

First and foremost, iPad hasn't been out for 5 years.

Smaller product, faster processor, smaller battery yet same battery life. Upgraded cameras and screen resolutions. Just one of many improvements but I won't bother writing an essay about it.

If you think the iPad hasn't improved since it first came out you shouldn't post on anything apple related.

stevan said,

First and foremost, iPad hasn't been out for 5 years.

Smaller product, faster processor, smaller battery yet same battery life. Upgraded cameras and screen resolutions. Just one of many improvements but I won't bother writing an essay about it.

If you think the iPad hasn't improved since it first came out you shouldn't post on anything apple related.

First off I know the iPad isn't 5 years old. I know it was released in 2010. They are on the 5th model, because 6 months after releasing the iPad 2, they rushed the iPad 3 out the door because they were afraid Android, with its higher resolution tablets would make the aged looking iPad, not look good.

So lets just say 5th season like sports, since they don't actually work a full year.
Yes you are correct, I feel the iPad hasn't improved. Right now it much like a PC. You are getting the expected improvements. You expecta newer model will have a fater CPU, or faster RAM is available and other things. But overall it has remained virtually the same. The few things in the UI they ripped off from Android and Windows Phone were certainly much needed improvements. But they certainly are not innovations.

The problem with you, is you want to lay on every word. Saying that the iPad has remained virtually the same since day one, just means the over all design and how it works hasn't change. Those "improvements" are expected things. Show me something on the iPad that shows APple is thinking outside the box. That is what I am talking about when I say improvements.

Let me give you a short example. Compare the Galaxy Note vs the Galaxy Tab. When the Note first appeared, it basically looked nearly identical to the tab. Overall the Note is basically a fancier Tab with a digitizer. What really sets it apart from the Tab is how the software has many improvements for how you do things which allows you to do things faster.

The iPad functions nearly identical to the phone and the touch, with exception of making calls. It shows no distinction that this is a better device due to its size. THus in my opinon no improvement.

That is why "I" am platform agnostic. I switch when it see I want better. For "me", higher resolutions, faster CPU/GPU and more RAM for example mean nothing to me because ethos eare things you can't see. Wat I want is to see on my screen how those things come together and make the tablet more versatile, easy to use and stunning in more than just looks.

That it why I say the iPad is not improved. Despite having a much better CPU/GPU than he first, despite the fact it has a much improved resolution, the tablet does nothing more than it did back in 2010. If it does please show me. The only thing about my original iPad, is it doesn't have iOS7. But its overall function is nearly identical to the my iPad 3 with iOS7. Compare that to an older Android tablet running Honeycomb, to today's Android tablet running Jelly Bean, and maybe you will have a clearer understanding of what I am trying to explain to you.

That's what we call misrepresenting the data with scaling. You notice they're talking about tenths of a percent difference. That's a trick for marketing companies and not scientific ones.

Spicoli said,
That's what we call misrepresenting the data with scaling. You notice they're talking about tenths of a percent difference. That's a trick for marketing companies and not scientific ones.

Thanks for pointing out that it's a marketing trick to use appropriate axis scales with clearly labelled values. I'm sure the scientific companies, which you touched upon, would've used a scale of 0-100% for the y-axis to produce a ridiculously squashed graph for wise people like yourself.

Manish said,

Thanks for pointing out that it's a marketing trick to use appropriate axis scales with clearly labelled values. I'm sure the scientific companies, which you touched upon, would've used a scale of 0-100% for the y-axis to produce a ridiculously squashed graph for wise people like yourself.

No, they would call the difference statistically insignificant and not produce a graph.

Spicoli said,
That's what we call misrepresenting the data with scaling. You notice they're talking about tenths of a percent difference. That's a trick for marketing companies and not scientific ones.

You do realize that Apple has nothing to do with this study. It's a different company that did it, so not quite sure where the whole "marketing purpose" argument come in.

But, trolls be trolls.

stevan said,

You do realize that Apple has nothing to do with this study. It's a different company that did it, so not quite sure where the whole "marketing purpose" argument come in.

But, trolls be trolls.

Who did it is irrelevant to the correctness of the content. See "ad hominem fallacy."

I opened Neowin to see a positive article about Apple, and I knew Spicoli would be in the comments falling over himself to downplay it. I'm going to start putting money on it.

Spicoli said,

Who did it is irrelevant to the correctness of the content. See "ad hominem fallacy."

It is relevant. It's a research company that did this to show the adoption rate, not Apple. Not sure how they benefit from the "marketing purposes".

We are talking about mere days after release and therefore they went into small decimal places. They did this before to show the adoption rate and Apple sale numbers backed it up. But I guess anything can be turned into a negative. Like I said, trolls be trolls.

Spicoli said,

No, they would call the difference statistically insignificant and not produce a graph.


So you've come to the conclusion that the data being presented here is not statistically significant because the numbers are small? If that's the case, you'll need to relearn statistics.

Yes they should have, but they can't because the Touch ID sensor is in short supply because they're trying to make enough to put into an outdated phone that no one wants apparently...

benthebear said,
Yes they should have, but they can't because the Touch ID sensor is in short supply because they're trying to make enough to put into an outdated phone that no one wants apparently...
I guess Siri was in short supply which is why the iPhone 4 didn't have it?

Exactly, a lot of people have been on the fence about the iPad ever since it was released. The new screen and weight have made it a buy now for them. And for people with an older model it's a worthwhile upgrade, whereas the iPad 3 just wasn't good enough.

It's got the size and the specs, but even years after the first release I have a problem seeing an iPad as anything more than a really big iPod Touch. Despite the much improved display, better weight and impressive computing specs, it's still a single port device (which is at least an industry standard one) with an aspect ratio the same as the last tube television I bought in 1991 with a UI that's multiple pages of icons. If Google hadn't made the Nexus 7 we would have never seen an iPad mini.

webdev511 said,
It's got the size and the specs, but even years after the first release I have a problem seeing an iPad as anything more than a really big iPod Touch. Despite the much improved display, better weight and impressive computing specs, it's still a single port device (which is at least an industry standard one) with an aspect ratio the same as the last tube television I bought in 1991 with a UI that's multiple pages of icons. If Google hadn't made the Nexus 7 we would have never seen an iPad mini.

Yep, the software is now the only thing holding me back. iOS is boring as hell for me.

I held one yesterday. It really is much eaier to hold in 1 hand, which has always been my main problem with full-sized tablets. Now finally, the full-sized tablet is light enough your wrists wont give-in after a few mins.

I'm no Apple fanboy, but the iPad Air is the first full-sized iPad I would buy.

Agreed, it actually feels like something I can carry around.

I wish the Surface was able to be used better in a vertical position. I enjoy it for reading, but it's... too small for me.

Obraxis said,
I held one yesterday. It really is much eaier to hold in 1 hand, which has always been my main problem with full-sized tablets. Now finally, the full-sized tablet is light enough your wrists wont give-in after a few mins.

I'm no Apple fanboy, but the iPad Air is the first full-sized iPad I would buy.


That's always been my biggest gripe with tablets that size as well. Maybe I should check it out.

Brian Miller said,
Anyone know why the iPad Mini 2 was delayed?

Because of yield issues with the displays, the suppliers are having issues manufacturing them at a fast rate hence the staggered release.

I used to have the Asus ME400C until I returned it due to build quality issues. That was incredibly light, like really light.

The iPad Air is 100g lighter than that!!

despite what you might think about apple, you can't argue they've done a great job with the iPad air.

They have but I still think many people would have preferred for it to be the same size and double the battery life. And that goes for all Apple products, they just have an obsession with things being thin.

Vlad Dudau said,
They have but I still think many people would have preferred for it to be the same size and double the battery life. And that goes for all Apple products, they just have an obsession with things being thin.

Based on this chart, evidentially not. Consumers go crazy for the next thin and light device, the iPad battery life is already great.

You could stuff allsorts into the same design and people will complain its the same, make it thinner and lighter and BOOM new sales record.

i dunno i have an iPad 3, the battery life is fine and will easily last a few days of constant use, the only thing which is annoying is the weight of the thing. iPad Air pretty much answers my problems, lighter device. I played with one over the weekend and the weight difference between the two is amazing.

-adrian- said,
I guess they deserve it with this massive amount of innovation between this version and the massive Ipad 1

innovation? where? making the thing lighter and boosting the specs is now called innovation?

PmRd said,

innovation? where? making the thing lighter and boosting the specs is now called innovation?

So which tablet maker is innovative?

JHBrown said,
So which tablet maker is innovative?

Microsoft created a tablet with a completly new operating system that can be used like a laptop thanks to it's kickstand and cover. That's innovation.

PmRd said,

Microsoft created a tablet with a completly new operating system that can be used like a laptop thanks to it's kickstand and cover. That's innovation.

You forgot to add /s

no, they REALLY didn't

They took an existing OS and stuck on a tile UI. That's part of the reason as to why it isn't selling. Unless you meant RT, in that case, they just ported to arm but kept all the legacy rubbish (talk about being lazy).

Let's have a show of hands.......

Can everyone who owns an RT tablet, reply to this post if you have ever used DISM

at least apple created an operating system designed for phones and tablets

You have a point. All the discussion is over what Apple should do next after introducing the first mass consumed tablets (and terminatingthe netbook era) which is pathetic. They have the best quality in tablets (Microsoft has a long way and billions to spent to match them) and they continuing to evolve their successful product lines which mean the will produce lighter, thinner and better spec products as well as variants. I think next year there will be an iPhone with 5'' and so on...

Ok, I'll bite.

Yes, they did innovate. They also ported over management and CLI apps that you simply don't have on Android or IOS.

- Native Samba, not the half baked POS addin you need with Android that's extremely slow.
- Powershell and task scheduler. Yes, I said it. It's handy to have vbs, ps1 and bat filetypes all executable on a tablet, without having to go through a store or circumvent the protection on the device against viruses (I'm looking at you Android)
- Native USB support via a full sized port. Not half baked like Android or non-existent in iOS.
- Proper multi monitor support. Same comparison as above.
- Fastest multitasking on metro apps by a long shot.
- Well designed gestures that work very well with touch. Offscreen controls as opposed to IOS or two buttons with Android (if they're physical at all; if not, they take up screen real estate and look terrible)

Then take the physical design of the Surface... revolutionary for that form factor and improved upon with the version 2 device. I won't go into this here because it looks like you were attacking the OS...

The only time I've ever used DISM was when I injected drivers into a OEM Windows RT 8.1 image for my Surface. If you've HAD to run it up for other reasons, you're doing something wrong.

Microsoft didn't get it all right with Windows RT; mostly in the vein of consumer awareness thanks to the shared product name which has been in use for 20 years.

Apple have innovated in some aspects, absolutely, but to say that the Surface/Windows RT did not is just ignorance or stupidity.

Does it matter what it is called? Sure Apple haven't really "innovated" since the original iPad. It has just been thinner and lighter ever since, and really that's all it will be for the foreseeable future. But they have taken a popular product and improved upon it in the ways that most people wanted; screen quality and battery life. Whereas before it was compromised hardware wise for a lot of people it's now a much more balanced and comfortable device.

As for the iPad vs Surface (or anything else) that's a different discussion. MS are actually innovating way more than Apple, but they haven't yet managed to make a tablet device that is as appealing to consumers. So innovation isn't everything, delivering what the customer wants is. For me the iPad is restricted software wise and the Surface is restricted hardware & software wise, so I'm not getting either; but I'm more likely to get a Surface in the future than an iPad cos I don't see Apple ever building up iOS enough to satisfy me, whereas MS are on course to provide me everything I require (which to be fair I'm biased towards as I am a Windows user and need Office and Visual Studio).

PmRd said,

Microsoft created a tablet with a completly new operating system that can be used like a laptop thanks to it's kickstand and cover. That's innovation.

So adding kickstand and type covers to a device is innovating? You do know that type covers with kickstands accessories existed for the iPad well before the Surface hit the market with its type cover accessories?

I agree that the Surface is innovating, but there are also things in the new iPad that are accomplished because of the latest innovations in technology. I mean, they made the thing preform way better than last year's model, and kept battery life the same while making the thing smaller. That's not easy to do. Usually, doing stuff like that increases size and power consumption, so that's why new methods were used.

I just think people confuse innovation for invention. Innovation is the application of better solutions by using more effective processes. Something that both Microsoft and Apple do with their tablets. You're really showing that you fly the Microsoft flag because the Surface 2 is thinner, faster, and lighter than its predecessor, a similar upgrade pattern to the iPad, but the Surface is innovating because you can buy a keyboard accessory for it. Great logic you have there.

-adrian- said,
So how about the tablet pcs that where out in 2003 - was apple not doing the exact same thing with the ipad?

So how about the gridpad and other tabelt prototypes made in the late 80's and early 90's? Some by Apple themselves.

PmRd said,

Microsoft created a tablet with a completly new operating system that can be used like a laptop thanks to it's kickstand and cover. That's innovation.


MS created a Tablet OS in 2002 when XP Tablet was launched. What is the true difference between MS Tablet PCs and any competitors is handwriting capabilities.

It is always shocking to hear things like this. What else do you want a tablet to do? Apple should stop making new versions until it becomes a transformer or something?

innovate
[in-uh-veyt] verb, innovated, innovating.
verb (used without object)
1.
to introduce something new; make changes in anything established.
verb (used with object)
2.
to introduce (something new) for or as if for the first time: to innovate a computer operating system.

Just thought this needed to be posted before you guys start having the same ol' circlejerk about who invented what first as if any of that has anything to do with the word innovate. Or maybe I'm too late, looks like you guys already started.

JHBrown said,
So which tablet maker is innovative?
The Note has way more innovations vs the iPad. How many apps can you have on the screen at one time on the iPad? Oh that's right....ONE. The point of a tablet Is writing. Even tho you can buy some ugly stylus for the iPad, its not as good as a digitizer.

The Note actually works the way you expect a computer to be used. Real multitasking, a business feature set. Its not even just about using more than one app on the screen, its more of how the apps work together. Like dragging a picture from a webpage directly into a message. or email. Its about minimizing an application and have it right on the screen so it is a click away. iWork is just a joke on iPad compared to what you can do with the Note.

This vid is kinda long - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3mbkoXCMhs - But if you skip up to where she talks about the S-Pen apps, you will see how much more powerful the Note is. Even tho this is the Note 3, the 2014 version of the 10.1 is identical.

It is way more innovative vs the iPad. The iPad is boring. I use to love mine, I gave it to my wife. I was considering the new one, but the new on doesn't do anything the old one doesn't do already. Its not even worth $499 just to get the same screen, the same RAM and a slightly faster CPU with useless 64Bit.

Apple is doing the same thing Nintendo and the rest did with consoles back in the 80s and 90s. Trivial updates to the consoles just milking the platform because they couldn't or chose not to give us more because they are in business to make money.

There is NOTHING about the iPad to brand about. Its boring. And yes I know you love Apple as I seen it in your posts.
The fact you ignore other tablets and have thw adacity to say what is innovative about other tablets.

Most of them aren't that muh different vs the iPad. But ther eis ONE that is in its price range that offers real software and hardware innovations...the Note makes the iPad look like the one trick pony toy with all its girly colors.

I can list 25 things the Note can do out the box, that the iPa dis capble of, but APple limited it for no good reason.

Skipping that, the best comparisons is using Sketchbook Mobile on an iPad vs the same exact app on the Note. Use them side by side and you will see the iPad is seriously lacking. Even tho the Wacom digitizer doesn't belong to Samsung, they made their device work with it and it is near seamless integration. The iPad is a big fat joke-pad.

PmRd said,

innovation? where? making the thing lighter and boosting the specs is now called innovation?

When it comes to something that is considered a mobile device? Are you daft?

Lets review what the definition of innovation is:

make changes in something established, esp. by introducing new methods, ideas, or products.


The iPad was established. Apple applied some new ideas to make it smaller with better battery life. Perhaps you just struggle with the English language.

@TechieXP, you are confusing features with innovation. Can Windows, Linux, and OS X do EVERY SINGLE THING that the other one can? No. With Apple, you get these features. With Android, you get these features.

I thought that is why we have various companies in the first place. If you want the features available in Android, then fine.

Now, what about the iCloud feature and the ability so sync various things between my macs, iPhone, and iPad? Can Android do that? I spent thousands of dollars getting music, tv shows, and movies. Now music is no longer copy-protected, but the movies and tv shows are not.

coderchi said,

You forgot to signed - Troll

I'd like everyone to pay good attention to this members posts. It's as if he purposely follows my posts to call me the exact thing he's doing. All the while adding nothing to the discussion. Coderchi, do you call your mom or dad or any other family member a troll if they disagree with your personal taste? LOL, only on the internet........

JHBrown said,
I'd like everyone to pay good attention to this members posts. It's as if he purposely follows my posts to call me the exact thing he's doing. All the while adding nothing to the discussion. Coderchi, do you call your mom or dad or any other family member a troll if they disagree with your personal taste? LOL, only on the internet........


Obviously I ask the same of the members to pay attention to you as its obvious your are a major MS hater troll. You are easy to find.

xWhiplash said,
@TechieXP, you are confusing features with innovation. Can Windows, Linux, and OS X do EVERY SINGLE THING that the other one can? No. With Apple, you get these features. With Android, you get these features.

I thought that is why we have various companies in the first place. If you want the features available in Android, then fine.

Now, what about the iCloud feature and the ability so sync various things between my macs, iPhone, and iPad? Can Android do that? I spent thousands of dollars getting music, tv shows, and movies. Now music is no longer copy-protected, but the movies and tv shows are not.

And you would be wrong. This is how INNOVATION is defined:

Innovation is the application of better solutions that meet new requirements, inarticulate needs, or existing market needs. This is accomplished through more effective products, processes, services, technologies, or ideas that are readily available to markets, governments and society.

So let me take some of the features of the Galaxy Note 10.1 compared to an iPad.

Lets take some of the smart features like Smart Stay. Is smart stay innovative? The concept of Smart Stay is it uses the camera to see if your face is within reach of the screen and prevents it from turning off while you are looking at it. And it works well vs with the iPad you have to always touch the screen or set the sleep to a higher setting.

This is Samsung taking the camera that we NOREMALLY take pictures with and evolving the tech to do something totally different to fit todays usage. That is an innovation.

What about using the Action Memo. The software can take the info you wront and automatically tanslate it to what you may need. For example, lets say someone gives me contact details but have no business card. With the iPad I can sure type or write in in the note app. However, when I need to make a contact, I have to open the contact app and retype all the info. With the Note, I simply slect the text, choose contact and it automatically put the name address and phone where it needs to be. I can do it without doing a hole bunch of needless steps. Again that is taking something we have always used which is linked text and being able to assign it to a specific task. SHow me a device that can do that? That is a evolution and an innovation.

The iPad is evolutionary as it does the expected things. 32bit processor evolves to 64bit. Nothing innovati9ve their. The fingerprint reader on the iPhone is an evolution of existing technology. Mapping it to a single button doesn't change what it natively does. Much like Coke is still Coke whether it is in a can or bottle.

One more example...leys take the Galaxy Note's USB 3 charging port vs the Lightning port. Apple's old 30 pin connector was more versatile then the present one. The fact that the new port doesn't even support iPod Out is sad. The fact it doesn't work with older accessories even with the adapter is also a shame. Compare that to the Note. They evolved the port in many ways:

1 - The old microUSB port did support MHL which allows you to offload whatever is on the screen at fll 1080. Put the external MHL adaper needed its own power supply. Now MHL 2 supports power right in the same connector. That is an evolution. Not only that, the new poet still supports the older microUSB cable for full backwards compatibility with older cables that you may have. The same port supports USB 3.0 for faster charging and faster data transfer and still works with USB 1.1. All with the same connector on the same device. Can you do that on the latest Apple product? NO you are forced to go buy all new stuff

But you said I was confused about what innovation is? SO here is a task for you. Compare today's iPad Air/Min with the very first one and please explain what has been innovative about this release.

Because all I see is this: I see the same old car, with a slightly better and more efficient engine (CPU) with the same window (same screen/same resolution/just thinner.

The latest iPad is thinner, because whoever made the screen made the screen also thinner. They changed the shape of the case. They used less aluminum which means if you drop it, it will dent equally as fast. But so far, none of that is an innovation. You expect as manufacturing gets better, you expect thinner and lighter...which we seen many years before APple with phones, computers, cars, planes, houses etc.

Please educate me as to why by definition and application that is evolves into ways of doing things better is not innovative, but making an xisting product thinner and faster...somehow is?

When Intel makes a new Pentium CPU, I don't fine it innovative. I expect, more efficiency, more power, smaller die and more. This is expected because this is typical chip evolution. What would make it innovative is if they think outside the bec and add on more features for the chip itself.

xWhiplash said,
@TechieXP, you are confusing features with innovation. Can Windows, Linux, and OS X do EVERY SINGLE THING that the other one can? No. With Apple, you get these features. With Android, you get these features.

I thought that is why we have various companies in the first place. If you want the features available in Android, then fine.

Now, what about the iCloud feature and the ability so sync various things between my macs, iPhone, and iPad? Can Android do that? I spent thousands of dollars getting music, tv shows, and movies. Now music is no longer copy-protected, but the movies and tv shows are not.

The point of what I said at first, wasn't just the fact of more features...it was the fact or more features that help you do things quicker. Which is an innovation.

Again look at my simple example. If I took an iPad and wanted to transpose contact details to a contact, it would take several steps, including rewriting the details so I don't have to switch back and forth between apps. On the Note I can open one app and the software has quick options to do the work for me. In fact I could do it all right in front of the person in just a few clicks.

That is innovation bro. Features are innovations. If you take a printer and add a fax, a scanner, it becomes a more innovative product as you don't need 3 solutions for the same. The point of iinovation is to make things quicker and simpler.

Show me a phone that if I am web browsing, I can circle the screen and it will save the page and the link automatically. Isn't that an innovation? How about taking pictures using voice. That's not innovative? Show me a phone before the Note that snapped pics with just saying cheese? Or making my own word. How about doing a screen shot with a wave of the hand vs pressing button? That isn't evolution because we never had that before. That is an innovation.

Using NFC to transfer files. Sure that is one of the things it can do. But in the old days, transferring files from one device to another required using VT or having a PC. Now I can just pic the file I want and do a direct transfer over wifi or by touching devices. That isn't innovative? Show me a phone that did this before? Isnt that quicker vs setting up BT, pairing the device and then sending the file?

Edited by Hi_XPecTa_Chens, Nov 4 2013, 8:07pm :

coderchi said,


Obviously I ask the same of the members to pay attention to you as its obvious your are a major MS hater troll. You are easy to find.

You have been reported. You have added nothing to this thread and instead it seems as though you are trying to start an unnecessary argument.

JHBrown said,
You forgot to add /s
Don't he didn't. He just thought outside the box. See, ya'll gotten so use to the plain iPad where you have to find a working solution forsimple things. They all cost money.

The iPad doesn't have a way for you to not hold it to use it. How lame is it to use the iPAd flat on a tablet. Typing on a flat surface sucks. MS says, well most people buy a case that has a kickstand, why not build it in? INNOVATION. The Type Cover don't just attach to the Surface, it actually become part of the experience. Its more than just feedback on the screen. Its like a laptop but its a tablet. The iPad can't be a laptop even with a keyboard because you cant even use a mouse.

If they had made the Courier, that was an innovation too. Dual screen on a single device? Never seen one past R&D.

The first iPad wasn't even an innovation. It was an evolution of what Gates showed way back in 2002. The problem is, we didn't have the hardware to support such an option. ARM is who made it possible for chips to be inside devices and be low level enough to not need active cooling.

None of Apple's products do anything devices in the past didn't do. They simply brought them up to date. Thus an expected evolution vs Microsoft /Samsung who are actually making devices do things that we've not done with them before to make life a little easier. Innovation!

xWhiplash said,
@TechieXP, you are confusing features with innovation. Can Windows, Linux, and OS X do EVERY SINGLE THING that the other one can? No. With Apple, you get these features. With Android, you get these features.

I thought that is why we have various companies in the first place. If you want the features available in Android, then fine.

Now, what about the iCloud feature and the ability so sync various things between my macs, iPhone, and iPad? Can Android do that? I spent thousands of dollars getting music, tv shows, and movies. Now music is no longer copy-protected, but the movies and tv shows are not.

As a matter of fact...YES! Not only can Android do it, so can Windows. Cloud services are not new. They just weren't called cloud services.

Windows had such capabilities on the server side since Windows NT. However, lets move forward. Thanks to Google service, I can back up a phone ot tablet to the CLOUD, ans sync them to any device of my choosing.

Here is where Google does batter than Apple. When I go to Google Play and download an app, I can send that app to any phone I own that runs Android. Can you do that with an iPhone? YES/NO. With iPhone, you have 2 options...you can set any device on your account to automatically download music/videos/apps to any device on your list...or don't. With Google I get to be selective as to which device. My mom has a Droid DNA. If she had an iPhone and I wanted her to have an app, I have to either share it with her or have it automatically download when I do. With Google I can simply select the app and send it without even downloading it myself. THAT IS INNOVATION.

Lets go further. With Google, any device sync'd with my account, when I log in, all my most recently visited webpages, google search's and more follow me to the device. Even tho Apple has something similar, it is only available for iOS devices. With Google, I can do it on a device or computer that has access to Google's services PERIOD. THAT is taking what we have an making it so it works better today based on how we do things today...thus making it an INNOVATION.

Google Glass? Not an innovation, but an evolution. HUD's are not new. Google evolved it to be something more attainable based on todays manufacturing capabilities.

Am I still confused? Or are YOU confused?

TechieXP said,
With Google I get to be selective as to which device. My mom has a Droid DNA. If she had an iPhone and I wanted her to have an app, I have to either share it with her or have it automatically download when I do.

My step mother has an iPhone and she doesn't need any help from me to use her phone. THAT IS INNOVATION.

Google Glass? Not an innovation, but an evolution. HUD's are not new. Google evolved it to be something more attainable based on todays manufacturing capabilities.

I strongly disagree. Google Glass is innovative. If Google delivers what they are setting out to deliver on with Google Glass, it will be innovative.

You do seem a bit confused by what the difference is between an invention and an innovation.

You misunderstand me. Can Android use iCloud (nut just cloud, but the Apple iCloud services)? If I want to watch all the movies and TV shows I purchased LEGALLY (and out of the box), can every single platform do that?

I didn't say Android could not do Cloud services. I said it could not do everything iCloud can do on iPhone.

xWhiplash said,
You misunderstand me. Can Android use iCloud (nut just cloud, but the Apple iCloud services)? If I want to watch all the movies and TV shows I purchased LEGALLY (and out of the box), can every single platform do that?

I didn't say Android could not do Cloud services. I said it could not do everything iCloud can do on iPhone.

Can Apple user love their iOS devices but still be smart enough to not buy content that is locked down with iTunes DRM? Yes.

Only their video content is locked down this way. Almost everyone I know won't buy it because of this very reason. Apple needs to wise up here, but Amazon and Google video delivery systems are only slightly better because they are on multiple platforms. But still, DRM content is DRM content is DRM content.

Anyway, this really isn't the audience for that kind of argument because IMO most people (around here) know their way around DRM limitations or know better than to buy video content locked to 1 specific platform.

Sigh. Name me ONE....ONE place that has DRM-free movies and TV shows. JUST ONE. If I buy content on Amazon Instant Video, I can only get it from there right?

Why must people use words like LOCKED into an environment. Name me one place that has completely unrestricted DRM-free video content that can play on any device ever made. You guys make it seem like Apple is evil, yet you do not say anything about buying content from the PS3/4 or Xbox 360/One, Amazon Instant Video or other streaming services. You guys ONLY bring in this "locked" argument when discussing Apple.

My point is iOS does something I need that Android does not. I am not converting my terabytes of movies and TV shows (really, I spent thousands of dollars and have content on various TB drives) just so I can put it on other devices. If you don't care about that then fine. I do not care ONE BIT about having two apps side-by-side. I prefer the iOS features, so just deal with it that companies offer different features than other companies.

xWhiplash said,
Sigh. Name me ONE....ONE place that has DRM-free movies and TV shows. JUST ONE. If I buy content on Amazon Instant Video, I can only get it from there right?

Why must people use words like LOCKED into an environment. Name me one place that has completely unrestricted DRM-free video content that can play on any device ever made. You guys make it seem like Apple is evil, yet you do not say anything about buying content from the PS3/4 or Xbox 360/One, Amazon Instant Video or other streaming services. You guys ONLY bring in this "locked" argument when discussing Apple.

My point is iOS does something I need that Android does not. I am not converting my terabytes of movies and TV shows (really, I spent thousands of dollars and have content on various TB drives) just so I can put it on other devices. If you don't care about that then fine. I do not care ONE BIT about having two apps side-by-side. I prefer the iOS features, so just deal with it that companies offer different features than other companies.

I'm not buying from any of them. You re-iterated the points that I made so I assure you we are not entirely in disagreement. As I said, it's all DRM video content that is locked down. Google and Amazon et. al. are only slightly ahead of Apple in that they offer more cross-platform support than Apple. That is all.

You may be absolutely fine with all of the 1000's of $ of locked down video content you purchased through iTunes. However, because Apple will likely never release apps to consume these video files on competing platforms (except for iTunes for Windows), you are more than just a little locked into Apple's "ecosystem"...

Shadrack said,

When it comes to something that is considered a mobile device? Are you daft?

Lets review what the definition of innovation is:


The iPad was established. Apple applied some new ideas to make it smaller with better battery life. Perhaps you just struggle with the English language.

What? Lets look at what you said. The iPad is certainly established. But what are you considering to be innovation? You quoted this "make changes in something established, esp. by introducing new methods, ideas, or products".

Yes Apple has made changes to the iPad. Question...is taking a CPU and raising the clock and innovation or an evolution? We are not speaking change for the sakeof saying its different. We are talking changes that actually really make the device better. For example, for the average consumer, clock speed of the CPU is not a selling point. In fact, if you take an iPad 4 running iOS 7 and put it next to the iPad with iOS 7, the speed difference is very minimal and isn't something you will see in every single application.

Innovation isn't just about change. It's about making changes that actually improve the experience beyond what was their before. Question, what on the iPad has improved so much that it has changed the actual experience?

Example...your care comes with a typical 4 speaker system. A marginal improvement would be, putting in slightly better speakers. But still keeping the same 4. An innovative change would be, cutting out 3 more speaker hole in designated places and putting in a surround sound system.

Because of the [physical size of the iPad, there are much needed improvements, that IMO aren't innovative, but would improve the experience. Since Apple advertises the iPad as a media consumption device, why doesn't it have stereo speakers? Why not improve the sound quality with Dolby or THX? Other tablets have capacitive screens that allow operation with gloves on, why doesn't the iPad? Why doesn't the iPad have a Wacom Digitizer? Why is the so much improved connector, not support the original function of what it had before? Why doesn't it support something as simple as iPod Out? These are real improvements people can see with their eyes, hear with their ears and feel with their hands. Those are things that would improve the experience.


This is why platforms that have true competition are always better. Because the competition creates real innovation. Is Samsung was the only Android OEM, their stuff would be a lot like Apple. Windows is closed too, but look how much more it can do vs OS X. Its not that OS X can't do what Windows does, it is prevented.

The iPad by now should have evolved to what the Note is by now. Yet its functions today are identical to the original iPad. Lots of people are voicing this now about the iPad.

Show me what I am missing. Show me what is so innovative about today's iPad vs the original one.