iPhone 5 can't do simultaneous voice and data on Verizon, Sprint

Apple's new iPhone 5 will not be able to simultaneously transfer voice and data on all networks, reports The Verge. Specifically, Verizon and Sprint will not support the feature on their networks, even if the iPhone 5 is connected to LTE.

The absence of this feature is strange in light of the fact that all the other LTE phones available from Verizon do support simultaneous voice and data when connected to LTE.

A Verizon spokesperson made this statement to The Verge on the issue: "The iPhone 5 was designed to allow customers to place a voice call on the Verizon Wireless network, while letting customers access the Internet over the WiFi."

Because Verizon and Sprint will have the same version of the iPhone 5, according to Apple, simultaneous voice and data will also be unsupported on Sprint's network. A representative from Sprint later confirmed this fact with The Verge.

AT&T did confirm that its version of the iPhone 5 will support the feature on both HSPA+ or LTE. However, AT&T's iPhone 5 will not be able to utilize full LTE speeds while on a phone call.

Source: The Verge

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i never find the need to use my iPhone and data at the sametime. i use my iPhone to make calls, then i will use it for data when needed, but I have my iPad2 for the data stuff.

Goes to show Apple still has their one ill-fated handicap, form is more important than function. For the kids who just want a toy to play with, the iPhone is fine. For us grownup, we want power with flexibility, and if you look at the hundreds of models avail, choice is near endless.

Android FTWin

Apple can and will sell all the single models they want. But 410 devices sold in 6 years is poor compared to 500M sold in a single year. Android will have past PC ownership by this time next year. Goodbye Apple!

This is not a carrier limitation, stop blaming Verizon. When Apple was hyping the fact you can browse and call at the same time, Verizon patched their 3D network so that "some" devices could do both. That some didn't include iPhone 4.

All of Verizon's LTE and at 3G device release as of late 2009 can do both. This limitation is all on Apple for whatever reason. I highly doubt Verizon would have every phone on its network be capable of such and leave one out. Especially the hottest selling iPhone on any US network. Apple simply wanted to make one single device that is International and they didnt fix the CDMA 's models to support however Sprint and VZW handle this capability.

When you build a device to support a network, you must build it to support it the way it exist. Saamsung, HTC, Motorola and even Microsoft all have devices that support the feature. Apple was to frikkin lazy to do the same. Its that simple.

Have fun with you new crippled POS iJunk 4XL

Hello Newowin News Room, did you NOT read my previous post about how it says on Apple's Website that 4G LTE is Data Only (If Available), Voice is Restricted to GSM/CDMA. I also read on Verizon's Website that the IPhone 5 can still connect to GSM Over Seas. Just FYI.

kevpan815 said,
Hello Newowin News Room, did you NOT read my previous post about how it says on Apple's Website that 4G LTE is Data Only (If Available), Voice is Restricted to GSM/CDMA. I also read on Verizon's Website that the IPhone 5 can still connect to GSM Over Seas. Just FYI.
Yes the CDMA iPhone can use GSM because it has a SIM slot, just liek the 4S. You simply need to have a GSM SIM card, and your device needs to be unlocked by Verizon. So if you travel and you don't want to use roaming, you must call Verizon to give you an unlock code so you can install a SIM. As long as your account is in good standing they will do this with no question other than being nosy and asking where you are headed.

The iPhone 4S and the 5 use the same dualmode chipset. In the $S only on mode vs activated based on the carrier the device was programmed for. In order to activate the device on another carrier, it simply just needs to be unlocked first and it will be just liek any other unlocked iPhone.

First iteration of LTE does not allow for simultaneous voice and data. The next iteration will be able to do this. My friend who works for Verizon engineering is being pushed to get this out. They know it's a big deal. But Apple decided to not add the extra antennae is just being controlling. I don't buy their excuses that they released. They have known this being a point of AT&T's attacks on Verizon and Verizon allowing this to happen as well. Of course Verizon is moving away from being the iPhone whipping boy with Apple costly subsidies and Android makes them money. WP8 will also bring them better profit margins as well. Blackberry hmm.

Sikh said,
http://m.gsmarena.com/iphone_5..._data_on_cdma-news-4801.php

Explains why it can be done. Most phones right now that can do it that are CDMA and LTE have a third atenna

No they have a 2nd antenna Apple uses both of theirs to make the connection better but the limitation is the single chip design vs dual for other phones. The benefits are that it uses less power (2 vs 1) but problem of not being able to run both radios at the sametime is the limitation.

Funny, even my Droid Razr allows voice and data at the same time. I can even hotspot and talk at the same time on Verizon.

NeoPogo said,
AT&T again FTW!

You have got to be kidding: When I had my AT&T Apple IPhone 3GS, I had to be up on the second floor of my house in order to get decent Reception! With my Previous Verizon Apple IPhone 4 and my current Verizon IPhone 4S I had Great Reception all the way from Algonquin, IL to Orlando, FL and then back to Algonquin, IL on a A Family Vacation Trip with my Mom and Dad! Plus: Verizon's GPS App was very help full at knowing which Lane we needed to be in at Both Nashville, TN and Atlanta, GA! By comparison Apple's New Maps System in Apple IOS 6.0 is full of errors! I know that I am NOT yet supposed to be talking about this yet here but this is one Area where I think Apple really needs to be critizied for getting rid of Google Maps! For example: Part of the street that I live on is listed as Princeton Road when I live on a Street called Whitehall Lane! I had filed a Bug Report on this issue and Apple only partially fixed the problem. The part of the street around the corner is still misnamed! Just FYI!

This is rich, a single core processor, downgrade from an even shittier iPhone 4, and now, it can't do what every other high end phone can do with LTE on an LTE network...

..Yet the iSheep will flock. Does anyone see how bad Apple is for America, they can't innovate, they're dumbing down our country. Worst thing since Beavis and Butthead. Horrible.

VoX said,
This is rich, a single core processor, downgrade from an even shittier iPhone 4, and now, it can't do what every other high end phone can do with LTE on an LTE network...

..Yet the iSheep will flock. Does anyone see how bad Apple is for America, they can't innovate, they're dumbing down our country. Worst thing since Beavis and Butthead. Horrible.

Single core processor? Really? Can you enlighten us with your source, sir troll?

VoX said,

..Yet the iSheep will flock. Does anyone see how bad Apple is for America, they can't innovate, they're dumbing down our country. Worst thing since Beavis and Butthead. Horrible.
Really, bad for American huh? The iPhone5 could add .33% to America's GDP. That's a single product... If you think that being able to talk and surf at the same time is something that is more important that possibly adding .33% to the GDP of the country, you are very very delusional.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50...the-iphone-5-boost-u.s-gdp/

jesseinsf said,
This is nothing new. We all knew this when the iPhone went to Verizon.

No. LTE allows for this restriction to go away, depending on the phone's radio implementation.

Other CDMA LTE phones don't have this limitation. Look at the SIII. It can easily handle data and voice on VZW simultaneously.

I can't believe Apple is okay with this... If I were them, I would have not released the phone until I got the LTE/HSPA+ features working fully. This reminds me of the whole "don't hold it that way" response from Steve Jobs (RIP).... They release a defective product, and then just say "sorry, you'll have to do it THIS way if you want simultaneous voice/data"...... This is an EPIC failure on Apple's part... Not only were they two YEARS late in the 4G market, but when they finally DO release a 4G phone, it's not even capable of multitasking like all the others.....

I hope this knocks Apple down a few pegs... They're in denial about how buggy their products are, and they could use a good smack in the face.

testman said,
This is a CDMA restriction though, isn't it?

Sort of, but only because Apple decided to implement LTE the way they did.

Other phones, like the Galaxy SIII do not have this limitation, because they have superior radio implementations.

testman said,
This is a CDMA restriction though, isn't it?
CDMA? Yes. LTE? No. LTE allows you to do both voice and data simultaneously. This is just a **** implementation courtesy of Apple.

tsupersonic said,
CDMA? Yes. LTE? No. LTE allows you to do both voice and data simultaneously. This is just a **** implementation courtesy of Apple.

No, LTE on Verizon does not support voice. What other phones do is use LTE for data and CDMA for voice (by using two antennas).

Elliott said,

No, LTE on Verizon does not support voice. What other phones do is use LTE for data and CDMA for voice (by using two antennas).
There is VoLTE, which MetroPCS uses...If you're going to sell a CDMA/LTE model, include proper implementation - include simultaneous voice and LTE, like 99% of the other CDMA/LTE phones out there.

You have to be high if you think you are actually going to be getting 100mbs speed on that phone (or any other for that matter). That's just the theoretical max used in marketing. You'll be luck to get a quarter of that speed.

ahhell said,
You have to be high if you think you are actually going to be getting 100mbs speed on that phone (or any other for that matter). That's just the theoretical max used in marketing. You'll be luck to get a quarter of that speed.

Relax. He was not being serious.

ahhell said,
You have to be high if you think you are actually going to be getting 100mbs speed on that phone (or any other for that matter). That's just the theoretical max used in marketing. You'll be luck to get a quarter of that speed.

I regularly see 35-40Mbit from my device on Bell Canada's LTE network.

gzAsher said,
iPhone 5, the last nail in Apple's coffin.
So what were the first ones since all the previous iPhones posts net profits, as did their iPads, and the mac pcs.. or does a coffin only need one nail these days? Must be a cheap coffin. And from what everyone is reporting, the first shipment of the iPhone5 is already starting to sell out. Maybe you just don't know how business works?

LTE with Voice is coming but not fast enough. Apple in their infinite wisdom decided this was not the path they wanted Verizon/Sprint consumers to go. I use the feature often enough because its nice to have to be able to look up something while having someone on hold or speakerphone.

Samsung SIII made a choice and that choice was to allow for Data/Voice simultaneously which was a good choice.

If I were Samsung I would advertise this against Apple as well.

Once again Apple decided this was the right choice for the consumer on the CDMA networks. They always give their reasons instead of hearing out ours. The new 9 pin connector with no Video? So much for my Video output in my car. Adapter won't fix it. Now they want to sell me the Lightening - VGA or HDMI? Oh boy. Pay another $80-$100 for adapters if I want that feature or a new dock. Nice APPLE nice..


mrmomoman said,
LTE with Voice is coming but not fast enough. Apple in their infinite wisdom decided this was not the path they wanted Verizon/Sprint consumers to go. I use the feature often enough because its nice to have to be able to look up something while having someone on hold or speakerphone.

Samsung SIII made a choice and that choice was to allow for Data/Voice simultaneously which was a good choice.

If I were Samsung I would advertise this against Apple as well.

Once again Apple decided this was the right choice for the consumer on the CDMA networks. They always give their reasons instead of hearing out ours. The new 9 pin connector with no Video? So much for my Video output in my car. Adapter won't fix it. Now they want to sell me the Lightening - VGA or HDMI? Oh boy. Pay another $80-$100 for adapters if I want that feature or a new dock. Nice APPLE nice..


The thought the adapter was only $30? I guess the Apple store is lying to me. My bank must also be lying to me, because it says I was charged $30 and it only took $30 from my bank account balance... but it really took $80-$100. I should probably call them and have this fixed.

ILikeTobacco said,
The thought the adapter was only $30? I guess the Apple store is lying to me. My bank must also be lying to me, because it says I was charged $30 and it only took $30 from my bank account balance... but it really took $80-$100. I should probably call them and have this fixed.

He said that the adapter won't work for what he wants to use it for. His quote had nothing to do with the Lightning adapter. He was referring to the adapter that will carry video.

RangerLG said,

He said that the adapter won't work for what he wants to use it for. His quote had nothing to do with the Lightning adapter. He was referring to the adapter that will carry video.

Ah gotcha. Makes more sense now. Either way, that's why I only use Bluetooth accessories. Only way to be sure all devices work with them.

The article also noted that Verizon is working to support voice over LTE and that the iPhone 5 could be updated via software to support it.

I wonder if this will be the case with the UK's new LTE network (only available via one company - Everything Everywhere (under the EE brand) but they also own Orange and T-Mobile so its all a little confusing).

duddit2 said,
I wonder if this will be the case with the UK's new LTE network (only available via one company - Everything Everywhere (under the EE brand) but they also own Orange and T-Mobile so its all a little confusing).

Not confusing at all, Orange and T-Mobile will become the EE network (as seen on your phone) but will still be known as two seperate entities, but if you are a customer of either you cannot access LTE however if you are a customer of EE you can access LTE when available and you can upgrade to it from the older companies.
See simple </s>

What Teebor said.

Just think of all of the above as separate companies, in much the same way Dixons Tax Free, Currys, Currys.Digital and PC World are separate companies (all owned by Dixons Retail), or GiffGaff and O2 (both owned by Telefonica Europe).

At the end of the day, EE, Orange and T-Mobile are being aimed at slightly different parts of the market.

the iphone 5 is the problem and not the network... other phones does both... That's technically true, although it may be a case of Apple wanting to keep hardware differences to a minimum between CDMA and GSM users. according to Apple spokesperson Natalie Harrison she admitted the iphone is limited.

benalvino said,
the iphone 5 is the problem and not the network... other phones does both... That's technically true, although it may be a case of Apple wanting to keep hardware differences to a minimum between CDMA and GSM users. according to Apple spokesperson Natalie Harrison she admitted the iphone is limited.

The problem is a lot of people that are on Verizon/Sprint are moving to LTE specifically to get the voice/data functionality, so Apple won't pick up these customers, or retain them.

kizzaaa said,
Is this a limitation of the iPhone 5 or the network provider?

Looks like a provider limitation

"AT&T did confirm that its version of the iPhone 5 will support the feature on both HSPA+ or LTE."

myxomatosis said,

Looks like a provider limitation

"AT&T did confirm that its version of the iPhone 5 will support the feature on both HSPA+ or LTE."

That's why I was confused. Neither the article (nor its source) clearly states if it's a handset or carrier limitation.

myxomatosis said,

Looks like a provider limitation

"AT&T did confirm that its version of the iPhone 5 will support the feature on both HSPA+ or LTE."

No... If there are OTHER Verizon and Sprint LTE phones that allow voice and data at the same time, then it is NOT A PROVIDER limitation. The Droid Razr M on Verizon allows Voice and Data using LTE and CDMA for voice at the same time.

PS Just pulled another article, that was referenced from one of my techs.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/.../09/13/iphone-5-calls-data/

Looks like Apple didn't want to add in the additional antenna.
So it is the PHONE and Apple is cheap as ever.

kizzaaa said,

That's why I was confused. Neither the article (nor its source) clearly states if it's a handset or carrier limitation.


try to do a full quote @ myxomatosis "However, AT&T's iPhone 5 will not be able to utilize full LTE speeds while on a phone call." So this has to be because of the revolutionary new chip inside iPhone that does LTE + CDMA.

Edited by Blueclub, Sep 14 2012, 9:39am :

kizzaaa said,
Is this a limitation of the iPhone 5 or the network provider?
It's a limitation of the phone. However Apple will tell you you're just using it wrong - there is no issue

FloatingFatMan said,
HAHAHAH!! Wow, talk about a half a$$ed phone!

"AT&T did confirm that its version of the iPhone 5 will support the feature on both HSPA+ or LTE."

Looks like a ****ty provider in fact, not a phone limitation

myxomatosis said,

"AT&T did confirm that its version of the iPhone 5 will support the feature on both HSPA+ or LTE."

Looks like a ****ty provider in fact, not a phone limitation

Technically it is a PHONE LIMITATION, because other LTE Phones on Verizon and Sprint DO ALLOW data and voice at the same time.

The older CMDA technology of Verizon and Sprint does NOT allow the use of voice and data due to how EVO is implemented.

I almost don't buy the story, unless Apple has a really bad radio implementation for CDMA/LTE combinations.

*Edit* Apparently Apple didn't want to add in an additional antenna and/or iOS maintaining both connections was problematic for the OS.

PS Citing HSPA of ATT is irrelevant, the GSM HSPA was designed and has allowed for data and voice at the same time.

Edited by thenetavenger, Sep 14 2012, 8:39am :

myxomatosis said,

"AT&T did confirm that its version of the iPhone 5 will support the feature on both HSPA+ or LTE."

Looks like a ****ty provider in fact, not a phone limitation


If you have watched the iPhone 5 official 'trailer' you would know that they put in a revolutionary chip inside iPhone that does LTE + CDMA, they did this to save space in the phone for the benefit of all mankind. Seems this 'maybe' the reason for the limitation. And I bet that on AT&T the phone will get damn hot or maybe fry when it does both at full capacity, "However, AT&T's iPhone 5 will not be able to utilize full LTE speeds while on a phone call."

Edited by Blueclub, Sep 14 2012, 9:24am :

WaqasTariq said,

If you have watched the iPhone 5 official 'trailer' you would know that they put in a revolutionary chip inside iPhone that does LTE + CDMA, they did this to save space in the phone for the benefit of all mankind. Seems this 'maybe' the reason for the limitation. And I bet that on AT&T the phone will get damn hot or maybe fry when it does both at full capacity, "However, AT&T's iPhone 5 will not be able to utilize full LTE speeds while on a phone call."

Looks like another person who has no idea what hes talkina bout. This is yet another example of the crappy iOS and iPhones not being able to multitask. This will hurt them, and im glad. These crappy devices are constantly overplayed as though theyre innovation, but at this point, and theyre doing is playing catchup with android.

Beyond Godlike said,

Looks like another person who has no idea what hes talkina bout. This is yet another example of the crappy iOS and iPhones not being able to multitask. This will hurt them, and im glad. These crappy devices are constantly overplayed as though theyre innovation, but at this point, and theyre doing is playing catchup with android.


Looks like another person who needs to read before replying.

Beyond Godlike said,

Looks like another person who has no idea what hes talkina bout. This is yet another example of the crappy iOS and iPhones not being able to multitask. This will hurt them, and im glad. These crappy devices are constantly overplayed as though theyre innovation, but at this point, and theyre doing is playing catchup with android.

You do realize that he was being sarcastic.... right? Or do you need the little /s to figure that one out?

Beyond Godlike said,

Looks like another person who has no idea what hes talkina bout. This is yet another example of the crappy iOS and iPhones not being able to multitask. This will hurt them, and im glad. These crappy devices are constantly overplayed as though theyre innovation, but at this point, and theyre doing is playing catchup with android.

Butthurt? IT'S ACTUALLY A CDMA ISSUEA. Apple wasn't going to add a third atenna in because the carriers are to ****ing retarded to support voice over LTE. Verizon commented they will have that support 2013. When that happens you'll get full voice and data multitasking.

Read before you reply. Moron.

Sikh said,

Butthurt? IT'S ACTUALLY A CDMA ISSUEA. Apple wasn't going to add a third atenna in because the carriers are to ****ing retarded to support voice over LTE. Verizon commented they will have that support 2013. When that happens you'll get full voice and data multitasking.

Read before you reply. Moron.

It's actually both. Sure, it's the carriers fault for not supporting voice over LTE initially. However, Apple knew this and decided not to support the CURRENT standard. Now, with everyone defending Apple's crap decisions such as just now including LTE as them not liking to include non-matured tech in their devices. Yet, they chose to not support a current tech and instead are betting on a future standard.

They also could have went a different route by using a different baseband chip. They didn't. Is it a money thing? Probably, they have to keep their 1000% profit margin. Eating a couple extra dollars would be so horrible...

I really wonder what people think it actually costs to build this phone. Well, with it being built in China and all.....

Navan said,
but if you use facetime, you're doing voice, video and data. 8)

Video encapsulates audio into data stream which is one stream of.... data

Voice calling uses a special protocol to send the info over the cell network. Data uses TCP/IP. It's like voice calling and using ADSL. It's pretty much like dial up all over again!

Auzeras said,

Video encapsulates audio into data stream which is one stream of.... data

Voice calling uses a special protocol to send the info over the cell network. Data uses TCP/IP. It's like voice calling and using ADSL. It's pretty much like dial up all over again!

Except cell phone voice is still digital. The telephone line on an ADSL connection is analog. From the phone to the tower the voice uses a special voice protocol that is part of the LTE or HSPA stack. Once that voice connection hits the tower it is converted to VoIP (in most cases).

I find this news really disapointed. I was thinking about switching to Verizon because of the mass suckage of AT&T, but I really don't want to lose that feature.