iPhone 5 lands over two million pre-orders in first 24 hours

It's official; the sales of the iPhone 5 are going to be huge out of the gate. In 2010, pre-orders for the iPhone 4 came in at 600,000 in its first 24 hours and in 2011, Apple said it received 1 million pre-orders for the iPhone 4S in its first day.

Today, Apple's press release says that the iOS 6-based iPhone 5 has shattered the pre-order records of the iPhone 4S. The company claims that over two million pre-orders for the iPhone 5 came in the first 24 hours since pre-orders officially began on Friday.

In a statement, Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing, said:

iPhone 5 pre-orders have shattered the previous record held by iPhone 4S and the customer response to iPhone 5 has been phenomenal. iPhone 5 is the best iPhone yet, the most beautiful product we’ve ever made, and we hope customers love it as much as we do.

The big question now seems to be, "How big will the sales be for the iPhone 5 in its first weekend when it officially goes on sale in retail stores on Friday?" In October, sales of the iPhone 4S went over four million units in its first sales weekend.

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I've pre-ordered but I am tempted to cancel. I currently have an iPhone 4 and I am quite happy with it. The iPhone 5 don't really seem like much of an upgrade and with iOS not really changing over this whole time I am getting quite bored. Thing for me is I don't want to buy the S3 with Android just to be disappointed. At least with my iPhone I haven't been disappointed and in general been very happy with it.

no suprises here. hopefully iphone5 doesn't blow out the potential nokia market before the 920 even makes it to stores.

Rrt - Samsung sold on preorder 9M GS3 in only 2 weeks dung preode sales making it the fstest sellig gadget in histroy v the iPhone 4S which sold only 4M during preorder. Which means as I aid above, the iPhone 5 will likely double that in presales but still be less than te 9M preorders Sammy had. Srry Apple. Instead of clutterinup themedi with lawsuits, you shoul have bee driving up banter for the iPhone 4XL...errr 5.

derekaw said,
My math says thats more iPhone 5 pre-orders worldwide than total Lumia sales this year worldwide.
The Lumia is only 2 years running vs iPhone that is 6 years running? DUH!!

TechieXP said,
The Lumia is only 2 years running vs iPhone that is 6 years running? DUH!!

The Lumia has been on sale all year. I am comparing iPhone 5 pre orders with total Lumia sales for the year. 1 year of Lumia sales V's less than 1 week of iPhone 5 pre-order sales.

I'm still amazed at how many android users are wringing their hands over an 'inferior' phones pre-orders. Methinks the lady doth protest too loudly. Hey, your phone is outdated - Galaxy S4 announced with 5" screen, wow ! By the time Galaxy S 8 comes out, it's gonna have a 27" screen hahaha. Still made of "composite" (plastic)

Steve Jobs said,
I'm still amazed at how many android users are wringing their hands over an 'inferior' phones pre-orders. Methinks the lady doth protest too loudly. Hey, your phone is outdated - Galaxy S4 announced with 5" screen, wow ! By the time Galaxy S 8 comes out, it's gonna have a 27" screen hahaha. Still made of "composite" (plastic)

No biggie...the Galaxy S line has alreadyevolved to 5" tns to the Note nd up to 10.1" thanks to the Tab and Note. Since te Galaxy S Noteis 5.3" and the Galaxy Not IIis 5.5", and the new Note is styled alot lik the Galaxy S III, it i obvious th S4 woud takeon the trademarks f its siblings. Idwant the Note for its stylus capability. Sinc I already have aniPad, Idont thinkIwill get the Note 10.1...but a nice portable 5.5" Note that si also a phoneis very tempting.

TechieXP said,

No biggie...the Galaxy S line has alreadyevolved to 5" tns to the Note nd up to 10.1" thanks to the Tab and Note. Since te Galaxy S Noteis 5.3" and the Galaxy Not IIis 5.5", and the new Note is styled alot lik the Galaxy S III, it i obvious th S4 woud takeon the trademarks f its siblings. Idwant the Note for its stylus capability. Sinc I already have aniPad, Idont thinkIwill get the Note 10.1...but a nice portable 5.5" Note that si also a phoneis very tempting.

What? Can you please go back and fix all the grammar and spelling errors?

stevan said,

What? Can you please go back and fix all the grammar and spelling errors?

Because he's mindlessly typing this from his phone, I don't see why he should work up such a sweat to go against the iPhone, when it doesn't make a difference. At least, I know that I'm not going to get whatever phone he has, as his typing is horrendous, surely his badly spelt words would've been corrected by his auto correct, right?

For technology geeks I don't think these figures really matter, Apple for this generation and the last is feeding more off their existing user base than attracting new users. Fact is Apple's marketshare isn't growing and there is a growing worry how Apple will refresh their operating system and phones.

Gaffney said,
Fact is Apple's marketshare isn't growing

The reports posted here show both Apple's and Google's marketshare are growing.

.Neo said,

The reports posted here show both Apple's and Google's marketshare are growing.
Except Apple i growing slower. Just Google the report from April about users whohd feaure phones and switched to smartphones for thr very first time.

Th report sates that 62% chose an Android phone, 25% chose an iPhone and 7% chose a Windows Phone.

Android is gettig more NEW buyers which is what grows you marketshare, not just selling phones.

What i growing is Apple's fan base. For each new model, pple getsnew sals, which means the next mode ill get more fans buying the nxt model, wich again saturates the sales to new people. Thus Apple grows slower.

Android is selling at 1.3M per day with 60% of them being new to the platform vs Apple who has aout 400k activations per ay and only 25% are new.

See the difference? This si why Apple 2M sold in 24hrs means NOTHING....because 75% of the buyers already had a previosu model.

TechieXP said,
Except Apple i growing slower. Just Google the report from April about users whohd feaure phones and switched to smartphones for thr very first time.

Th report sates that 62% chose an Android phone, 25% chose an iPhone and 7% chose a Windows Phone.

Android is gettig more NEW buyers which is what grows you marketshare, not just selling phones.

What i growing is Apple's fan base. For each new model, pple getsnew sals, which means the next mode ill get more fans buying the nxt model, wich again saturates the sales to new people. Thus Apple grows slower.

Android is selling at 1.3M per day with 60% of them being new to the platform vs Apple who has aout 400k activations per ay and only 25% are new.

See the difference? This si why Apple 2M sold in 24hrs means NOTHING....because 75% of the buyers already had a previosu model.

True, I don't trust my daughter with an iPhone yet, she's twelve so she can choose any mid range Android phone she wants. I'm pretty sure most of them activations will be low-mid end devices. I'm not hating on Android, but it's pretty easy to distinguish why Android has a higher activation rate. Just go to your nearest phone store and compare how many Android devices are for sale in comparison with the iPhone. You have to give them some sort of credit for being able to achieve that amount of sales.

But in regards with your other comment it doesn't matter if people are upgrading from older models, a sale is a sale, what product doesn't have a userbase?

I e the fans arguing about preorders. S lame! Look iFans, preorders cant be taken until a phone if officially released. The Galaxy S III was officially announed May 3rd. By May 15th, Samsung said they had 9M pre-orders. Yes they were carrier pre-orders and they were sold very quiclky. By jult 23rd, amsugn sold over 10M...whcih means once the phone actually shipped in late May, by late June they had sold all the pre-ordered ones and by July they were even further.

Accroding to info I found, European and Asia market went officially on sale in late May, North America followed in June with more comign by July. In 2 months the GS3 was avail at over 200 carriers, While Apple wont have the iPhone 5 avail at that many for over 3 months at the leats. Also Apple didnt even make enough device to tak more than 2M pre-orders? Thats what happens when you start production on 3 months before release day.

Please explain how Amsugn who releaseda phone on May 3, had enough supply to fill nearly 9M phones in just 60 days or less? How come Apple can't do that with all their money?

Yeah, maybe if they stop suing for BS like edges and shapes and spend money on distribution and manufacturing, maybe they could release more than one phone per year and have an nice supply for each.

JessJess said,
Need a hug?

He needs a new phone or learn to type better... I mean come on, his typing and arguments have been really low. Unless I see some proper sources and less biased information then I'm going to look the other way. Not looking good so far.

This is truly historical. Apple has broken all records. They used to say "there's a sucker born every minute". Apple's marketing department deserve a lot of praise for cutting that time in half.

BBinder said,
iDIOTS should wait for the iphone 5s with built in nfc and wireless charging lol

nahh while they could have put that tech into the iphone 4 apple will make us all wait till the next "refresh" this is typical of apple always releasing stuff which is limited compared to other products. releasing a non 3g phone into a market that already had established devices with 3g any one? if they had spent more time on the iphone 5 rather than playing stupid games with Samsung in court maby just maby the iphone 5 would be so much better than this atrocious turd

iPhone 5...2x's the processing power over the 4S, yet doesn't have true multi-tasking capability. It cant even talk and do data on some networks. While typing this post on my GS3, I was viewing a video at the same time. True power in the palm of my hand.

I wonder what Andry Birds will do with all that power. NOTHING. It will perform the same, look the same and sound the same. New Apps? Well they will surely be a bit more powerful. Except, you can still only use one app at a time. One Apple will be prevented for using more than 512MB of memory space because the OS needs the rest. iOS6 takes up 8GB of flash drive space. Yet Android 4.0 on my GS3 takes up 4GB of space and hs more features, more capability, full multi-tasking, has longer talk time on 3G, longer standby time, bigger screen and so much more.

with the 5 you all gained, 1/2" taller screen, 1 row of icons, same camera as the previous model just thinner, panoramic shots which is so 2009, you lost YouTube, Google Maps, you still run the same old crappiest mobile browser, even on LTE my phone is significantly faster at everything data related...and ATT is going to charge u for FaceTime over 4G?

Question? How do you consider all that to really be an improvement over the last model?

Its amazing that no matter how good Apple does, you always have idiots making excuses as to why their numbers really aren't good! We'll see how many people outside of these forums buy a new Windows Phone when it's released! My Samsung Focus and my wife's Focus, will be demoted to my daughters toy box when we receive our iPhones on Friday. Good riddance!!!!

JHBrown said,
Its amazing that no matter how good Apple does, you always have idiots making excuses as to why their numbers really aren't good! We'll see how many people outside of these forums buy a new Windows Phone when it's released! My Samsung Focus and my wife's Focus, will be demoted to my daughters toy box when we receive our iPhones on Friday. Good riddance!!!!

Why did you buy a Samsung Focus ?? You're lost. Good luck with your iPhone

2xSilverKnight said,

Why did you buy a Samsung Focus ?? You're lost. Good luck with your iPhone

I bought it two years ago to try something "new"! I have run it through it's paces and I don't like it! That's fair! If I don't like the iPhone, I will try Android. Does that mean I'm lost? Over the course of my lifetime, I have owned 2 Fords, 1 Lexus, 2 Mercedes, and now just bought a 2012 Shelby! Am I lost? Nope, I'm a consumer!

What cracks me up is how they focus on how sleek and beautiful all these phones are, but yet we have to install these ugly cases to keep them from breaking. That is one sweet looking phone, but the minute you put a (required) case on the phone it's ugly as sin. I tried to get the thinnest case as possible for my 4s, but it still look terrible. These phones are too beautiful to cover up.

way to go apple, can't wait for my upgrade next month from a 4 which is starting to feel a little sluggish.. my g/fs 4S is lightening compared to it so i can't wait to see what this is going to be like.

[edit] dont know why i quoted you there

But i know they did not get 2million preorder... they are just inflating the numbers to build hype. sammy did it before. as for At&t everything is selling for them as long as the manufacturer had a deal with them... thats how they make everyone feel the lumia 900 is selling in millions on their network and now they claim they have record preorder... next year same story.

I dont have any proof for my ipinion but nokia and at&t and samsung has given me a hint of how marketing works. I will be getting the lumia 920.

benalvino said,
But i know they did not get 2million preorder... they are just inflating the numbers to build hype. sammy did it before. as for At&t everything is selling for them as long as the manufacturer had a deal with them... thats how they make everyone feel the lumia 900 is selling in millions on their network and now they claim they have record preorder... next year same story.

The problem arise when people compare such statements with actual number of units sold.

Glassed Silver said,

Look above you, you lost!

GS:win

I'm clearly just not cool or quick enough for this site.

I need an eye roll smiley too!

Hey, nothing wrong with the iphone....if you want a locked down phone, that you can't replace the battery without sending it or going to an Apple store, that's your business.
I love to tinker...and the iphone is not designed for people that like to tinker. At least we still have a choice, although if apple gets its way, that choice may be limited. If apple keeps it up,even the iSheep are going to get tired of it.

When the iPhone 4 was released, there were 1.7M pre-orders. 77% of them were upgraders from a previous iPhone. How much you bet about 80% of those numbers are also coming from a previous model?

TechieXP said,
When the iPhone 4 was released, there were 1.7M pre-orders. 77% of them were upgraders from a previous iPhone. How much you bet about 80% of those numbers are also coming from a previous model?

Exactly! Most of the users were probably older generation users who skipped the 4S for the 5. When you have the disappointment of getting a 4S when you were waiting for the 5, you have a higher than normal amount of people waiting for the 5.

I had an iPhone 3G; I paid for one app the whole 3½ years I had it but had hundreds of free apps. I know a lot of people who are staying with iPhone not because "OMG look at the new iPhone" but because of the money they have invested in their apps. They don't want to go to another platform and have to repurchase all those apps, if available. One of them is my brother who has probably invested over $1000 in apps so he said he'll be sticking with iOS when it's time to upgrade. I got out as I found it getting old and dry, didn't cut it for what I wanted it to do.

TechieXP said,
When the iPhone 4 was released, there were 1.7M pre-orders. 77% of them were upgraders from a previous iPhone. How much you bet about 80% of those numbers are also coming from a previous model?


For an inferior phone , you sure are going on the defense against it...

TechieXP said,
Sammie had 9M pre-orders of the GS3, even before it was officially released....lol

But wasn't that 9 million preorders by the carriers?

omgben said,

But wasn't that 9 million preorders by the carriers?

Yep and they sold all of them in just a few weeks. Look at the numbers...Samsung showed they sold 10M S3's in less than 60 days...that means the carriers sold all 9M pre-orders in just a few weeks.

The GS3 was released roughly in some areas in May...the USA released it in June. By July 23rd Samsung had sold over 10M device already which means all those 9M pre-orders were gone by mid june, with them going over 10M by July...they have now sold 20M+ and its only mid september. Do the math. The last numbers I saw said they sold over 23M already. That mean on average they sold 4.6M per month, which means in 60 days or less they has sold over 9M devices. The pre-orders were gone in less than 60 days...

Whats cool too, is they had some supply problems and they still sold that many. Apple can't even get 10M on the shelf in 3 months time. They sold 2M iPhone 5's on pre-order and they are all gone already? Or Apple is just othding on to them to get the fools to wait for them to keep demand high knowing they wont have a new phone till next year.

I wonder how many S3's could have been sold if they had no supply issues.

Edited by Hi_XPecTa_Chens, Sep 17 2012, 4:53pm :

Glassed Silver said,

Within the first 24h?

GS:win

I didnt know time limits define pre-orders? Oh Wait...they don't. Preorders are defined as items allowed to be solded before avail for actual sale.

The GS3 was officially released in May. Preorders started likely a few weeks before right after. They cant take orders until Samsung officially announces the device is avail to be shipped. Even if they were carrier pre-orders, they all sold in a matter of weeks. On average Samsung has sold 4.6M per month since May and have sold over 23M at this point.

I am certain Apple will sell more. So?! The point is, a preorder is a preorder. Doesnt matter how many were preordered in a certain amount of time. Its not our fault Apple officially annouces a phone 2 weeks before it actually goes on sale.

Funny how the ifans try to downsize Android sales, just because they are dne differently? If Samsung had wait to jsut 2 weeks before official sales, how many you think wouldhave been pre-ordered? The same 9M or more...now shut up. 2M pre-orders in 24 hrs is no big deal. Its not our fault Apple takes so long.

What funny, too...Samsung had enough phones avail to fill most of the pre-orders whiel Aple is already sold out. Showing that even todday they cant even build 6M phones in 3 months production time whiel Samsung was able with no problem.

Smasung officially announced the GS3 in the first week in May. My may 15th they were already annoucing they had 9M preorders. That roughly 12 days. The S3 was officially announced May 3...my may 15th they had 9M pre-orders. They sold all 9M by mid june...based on the fact they have sold 23M as of Sept 6th which means they sold about 4.6M per month on average...that 9M in less than 60 days..based o pre-orders while APple is only selling 2M on pre-order from their own orders.

I dont think this number even counts the carriers takign orders. I am sure the combine total will do up...but it wont be over 9M I assure you. Even if ATT, VZW and SSpritn has 2M pre-orders each, combibed with Apple that will still be only 8M...

Time doesn't dictate preorder limits, availability does.

Edited by Hi_XPecTa_Chens, Sep 17 2012, 6:53pm :

TechieXP said,
Samsung showed they sold 10M S3's in less than 60 days

So having more than a fifth of that amount being pre-ordered by actual customers in a sixtieth of that time is not impressive? Based on your calculations, the Galaxy S3 takes half a month to sell what Apple has managed to get in 1 day (of course, the latter only has pre-order figures rather than actual sales numbers).

They sold 2M iPhone 5's on pre-order and they are all gone already?

Yes, initial stock for the online store has sold out apparently and delivery times have now switched to >2 weeks. Apple Stores and other retailers will obviously be getting deliveries to sell in-store on the launch date too.

Manish said,

So having more than a fifth of that amount being pre-ordered by actual customers in a sixtieth of that time is not impressive? Based on your calculations, the Galaxy S3 takes half a month to sell what Apple has managed to get in 1 day (of course, the latter only has pre-order figures rather than actual sales numbers).


Yes, initial stock for the online store has sold out apparently and delivery times have now switched to >2 weeks. Apple Stores and other retailers will obviously be getting deliveries to sell in-store on the launch date too.

First off, Apple 2M preorders arelikely all orth American orders vs Samsun who released the GS3 on 3 continents in 2 months.

Le me help you with he tme line.

1 - Phone officially announced in London on May 3rd, which is May 2nd USA time.
2 - On May 29th te phone was reeased t Euopean and Middle Easten Markets
3 - Before official release, 9M pre-ordes were obtain from over 100 carriers
4 - By July 12th, over 300 carriers wee sellign the device in over 150 countries.
5 - in 100 days, Samung shipped 20M+ units
6 - There were shoratge in the Pebble Blue model causng many locaions t run out o them or delay receiving them.

When Apple sells a device to a carrier it is cunted as a sale even if it hasnt sold to any people yet. If Samsung shipped 20M phones to carriers, they to count as a sell even if it isnt in public hands.

A preorder is preorder no matter how it is done. The onlytime constarint is how many can be sold on peorder before the device i officially released for public sale. In both caes Aple and Samsung had about 2 weeks of time from annoucemet date to offical public sale date. In 2 weeks time, Samsung gained 9M pre-order sales while APple on the firs pre-orrder day gained 2M. @M is just not alot of device consider howmany people have an iPhone.

To me this is no different tht Sony orNontend selling 2 million consoleson peorder or official relase day. Seeing that ober 50M popel have anoler iPhone it is obvious preorder day will rack up some sales. the fact they only had enough supply for fill 2Morders only, shows Aple cantmake enough phones in ust 3 months of time. As with consoles, what tis mean is anyone who wants an ione but cant buy one, will just buy something else. Many will wait.

Sorry I amnot impressed with salenubers that much anyways. Iam only arguing that 9 deices sold in 2 weeks is very compariable to 2Mbeing sld in a day. The problem is now you wont be ale tobuy anymoe until more get shipped here which already is 3 weeks behind. Basically it will take APple about 2 more weeks just to triple that amount of devices. Samsung has a 18M phone sale headstart. Appl will surely past them at some point, but the GS3 is still selling very well. In te end Apple will sell moe deices, but msung will ave a bigger share of the market asa single OEM By the tm thsi year i out, Apple wlllikey be at 31% while Samsung will be at 48% share. And since Samsung makes 90% of the parts thatgo into their devices,they get all the money, while APple has to take the money from each sell andpay off te peopel wo make the chips, the screen and the case too.

TechieXP said,
First off, Apple 2M preorders arelikely all orth American orders vs Samsun who released the GS3 on 3 continents in 2 months.

Le me help you with he tme line.

1 - Phone officially announced in London on May 3rd, which is May 2nd USA time.
2 - On May 29th te phone was reeased t Euopean and Middle Easten Markets
3 - Before official release, 9M pre-ordes were obtain from over 100 carriers
4 - By July 12th, over 300 carriers wee sellign the device in over 150 countries.
5 - in 100 days, Samung shipped 20M+ units
6 - There were shoratge in the Pebble Blue model causng many locaions t run out o them or delay receiving them.

When Apple sells a device to a carrier it is cunted as a sale even if it hasnt sold to any people yet. If Samsung shipped 20M phones to carriers, they to count as a sell even if it isnt in public hands.

A preorder is preorder no matter how it is done. The onlytime constarint is how many can be sold on peorder before the device i officially released for public sale. In both caes Aple and Samsung had about 2 weeks of time from annoucemet date to offical public sale date. In 2 weeks time, Samsung gained 9M pre-order sales while APple on the firs pre-orrder day gained 2M. @M is just not alot of device consider howmany people have an iPhone.

To me this is no different tht Sony orNontend selling 2 million consoleson peorder or official relase day. Seeing that ober 50M popel have anoler iPhone it is obvious preorder day will rack up some sales. the fact they only had enough supply for fill 2Morders only, shows Aple cantmake enough phones in ust 3 months of time. As with consoles, what tis mean is anyone who wants an ione but cant buy one, will just buy something else. Many will wait.

Sorry I amnot impressed with salenubers that much anyways. Iam only arguing that 9 deices sold in 2 weeks is very compariable to 2Mbeing sld in a day. The problem is now you wont be ale tobuy anymoe until more get shipped here which already is 3 weeks behind. Basically it will take APple about 2 more weeks just to triple that amount of devices. Samsung has a 18M phone sale headstart. Appl will surely past them at some point, but the GS3 is still selling very well. In te end Apple will sell moe deices, but msung will ave a bigger share of the market asa single OEM By the tm thsi year i out, Apple wlllikey be at 31% while Samsung will be at 48% share. And since Samsung makes 90% of the parts thatgo into their devices,they get all the money, while APple has to take the money from each sell andpay off te peopel wo make the chips, the screen and the case too.

Your logic fails like your grammar and spelling. Please stop forecasting sales figures and market shares because you're simply wrong.

Samsung is a bigger company than Apple in terms of revenue since they are a conglomerate. They specialize in Advertising, construction, entertainment, financial services, hospitality, information and communications technology services, medical services, retail. Yet Apple, being as successful as they are still manage to turn out a higher profit.

TechieXP said,

In 2 weeks time, Samsung gained 9M pre-order sales while APple on the firs pre-orrder day gained 2M.

My head actually hurts from reading what you wrote. Do you have dyslexia? (Serious question.)

Carriers ordered 9 million Samsung Galaxy S3s. These do not count as sales to consumers. On the other hand, over 2 million iPhone 5s were pre-ordered from Apple by consumers. If you can't acknowledge that as being impressive, then I consider it futile to continue arguing with you.

Just as a final point, your last few lines are pure tripe. Samsung will certainly not be getting "all the money". In terms of smartphone profits, Apple's figures are more than double those of Samsung, which is the 2nd most profitable in this sector. (Source: http://www.engadget.com/2012/0...samsung-99-percent-profits/) Feel free to also tack on $1 billion to Apple's takings, courtesy of Samsung. =P

And then there are those of us who are late to the whole smartphone party.

Ordered a 5 on Friday, my last phone was 6 years old.

krasch said,
And then there are those of us who are late to the whole smartphone party.

Ordered a 5 on Friday, my last phone was 6 years old.

Wow u managed to keep a single phone 6 years? Wow...after so many years of temptation? Wow! just WoW!

TechieXP said,
Wow u managed to keep a single phone 6 years? Wow...after so many years of temptation? Wow! just WoW!

Can't tell if serious...

With dumbphones, you never missed too much waiting a multitude of years...

Apparently he didn't really feel the urge.
I was like that until the iPhone 4.

I had strong interest, but I didn't feel the need or the temptation.
Now... Often enough without my iPhone I'd be lost, arrive too late, etc etc...
So much value in a smartphone that you only discover when you used one for some time.

GS:win

Edited by Glassed Silver, Sep 17 2012, 3:37pm :

Glassed Silver said,

Can't tell if serious...

With dumbphones, you never missed too much waiting a multitude of years...

GS:win


I finally figured out what GS stands for. It's Gangnam Style

TechieXP said,
Wow u managed to keep a single phone 6 years? Wow...after so many years of temptation? Wow! just WoW!

My last phone was coming up to 6 years before I finally replaced it a few months back.

The charger contacts were actually going green and not working that well by the end. I dislike people who get new phones like every 6 months. It's very wasteful.

technikal said,

My last phone was coming up to 6 years before I finally replaced it a few months back.

The charger contacts were actually going green and not working that well by the end. I dislike people who get new phones like every 6 months. It's very wasteful.

I hear ya.

For us older folks who don't live on their cellphones, (heresy I know...) the need to jump on the latest and greatest just isn't there.

Were it not for a recent navigational misadventure driving home from an event, and REALLY wishing for GPS while doing so, I might still be waiting. But it was finally enough of a p*$$-off to make me take the plunge.

Not that I'll use half the features on a regular basis, but they are admittedly nice to have once I do make the plunge.

krasch said,

I hear ya.

For us older folks who don't live on their cellphones, (heresy I know...) the need to jump on the latest and greatest just isn't there.

Were it not for a recent navigational misadventure driving home from an event, and REALLY wishing for GPS while doing so, I might still be waiting. But it was finally enough of a p*$$-off to make me take the plunge.

Not that I'll use half the features on a regular basis, but they are admittedly nice to have once I do make the plunge.

Well I moved countries and while my phone still worked, it only worked on 1 network (Rogers in Canada) and that wasn't the network my wife uses and we were bundling services. And as you seem to be unable to avoid expensive and long term contracts in Canada I decided I might as well get a smartphone. I probably don't do it justice but it's nice to be able to check my email or look something up on google when i'm out and about. It's also good for navigation as you mentioned.

Most of the buyers are probably the same that got the earlier versions. That's the product cycle they are following and this might not be so good for apple at gaining new prospects.
In the silver lining of this situation, the loyalty from the customers seems to be most strong point in apple products. But in this wide market of ferocious competitors of mobile technology, the iPhone this time is indeed not the number one product anymore.

Mocosoft said,
the loyalty from the customers seems to be most strong point in apple products.
I am pretty sure it's more a matter of people being loyal to their investment in music and apps

paulheu said,
I am pretty sure it's more a matter of people being loyal to their investment in music and apps

For apps maybe (although you can usually keep your data for mutliplatform apps) but for music? You can easily play any music you've bought from iTunes on any devices.

Hmm, that makes sense people going from an iPhone 3 to 5. Maybe they saw the 3 to 4 as a pointless upgrade so 3-5 in the brain seems a bigger jump but really isnt lol

Thats hardly a drop in the bucket really when you think about it so not a good number for Apple. Still, better off getting a Razr Maxx or HD model - they do the same thing and more plus IMO are better phones.

sava700 said,
Thats hardly a drop in the bucket really when you think about it so not a good number for Apple.

Seriously are you stupid?

"Apple on Monday said iPhone 5 preorders topped 2 million in 24 hours -- more than double the amount of preorders it had for the iPhone 4S."

So the 5th iteration of a product line, and the interest (based on preorder evidence) is double that of its last effort.

And you say its not a good number?

I am guessing its the ones with an older version. My wife has an iPhone 3GS and the 5 will be a big upgrade for her.

Somehow I'm not surprised by the numbers, although I wonder what all those 2 million people are buying it for? From my understanding the iPhone 5 isn't exactly coming out with anything revolutionary...

Intrinsica said,
Somehow I'm not surprised by the numbers, although I wonder what all those 2 million people are buying it for? From my understanding the iPhone 5 isn't exactly coming out with anything revolutionary...

some are probably iPhone users who skipped 4s? That's a decent upgrade compared to iPhone 4.

Intrinsica said,
Somehow I'm not surprised by the numbers, although I wonder what all those 2 million people are buying it for? From my understanding the iPhone 5 isn't exactly coming out with anything revolutionary...

At the moment smartphones have reached a plateau; until the next "big thing" we will see incremental improvements.
Yes WP8 is NT based instead of CE but...... to the average buyer such jargon would be as incomprehensible as stating that ABC latest device is ogee.

@grayscale
True. There are many who still have a 4 or 3GS, or even a 3G, so 5 will be a big upgrade for them, and who said only former and current iphone owners buy a new one?

Intrinsica said,
Somehow I'm not surprised by the numbers, although I wonder what all those 2 million people are buying it for? From my understanding the iPhone 5 isn't exactly coming out with anything revolutionary...

Its larger, lighter, faster, slimmer and has better built quality. isn't that enough?

grayscale said,

some are probably iPhone users who skipped 4s? That's a decent upgrade compared to iPhone 4.

Yes but how may of them really needs the new features? Iphone 4 just came out two years ago and is still a good damn phone. I think it's more the craving to have the latest technological gadget

Intrinsica said,
Somehow I'm not surprised by the numbers, although I wonder what all those 2 million people are buying it for? From my understanding the iPhone 5 isn't exactly coming out with anything revolutionary...

The question we should be asking ourselves is; Is this another marketing stunt by apple to try and sell more iPhones? By trying to convince the public that it's in such high demand?

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-...stioned-20120917-261gk.html

Marketing at its best!

Heartripper said,

Yes but how may of them really needs the new features? Iphone 4 just came out two years ago and is still a good damn phone. I think it's more the craving to have the latest technological gadget

I agree but a better camera and a larger screen, "revolutionary" jokes be damned, will sway iPhone users. We also have to consider those that are on contract when they bought the iPhone 4 2 years ago.

With how fast the pace of phone releases now, a 2 year old seem like a century old for some of those who have extra money to spend.

Heartripper said,

Yes but how may of them really needs the new features? Iphone 4 just came out two years ago and is still a good damn phone. I think it's more the craving to have the latest technological gadget

A vast majority of the people who buy subsidized devices usually replace them, they think for free, every two years.
Also we live in a consumerist society.....

Fritzly said,

At the moment smartphones have reached a plateau; until the next "big thing" we will see incremental improvements.
Yes WP8 is NT based instead of CE but...... to the average buyer such jargon would be as incomprehensible as stating that ABC latest device is ogee.


Yeah, this is what some people seem to not see. You can't sway an average Joe into buying a different phone by telling him about CPU cores, clock speed, ram, benchmarks, etc. Heck, Apple never even mentioned the clock speed and ram if I recall correctly, and people are still buying it religiously.

Atari.2600 said,

The question we should be asking ourselves is; Is this another marketing stunt by apple to try and sell more iPhones? By trying to convince the public that it's in such high demand?

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-...stioned-20120917-261gk.html

Marketing at its best!


These tin-foil hat idiots pop up each time any popular company (Apple, Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, ...) cannot meet demand for their last products.
It didn't make sense last time, it doesn't make any more sense now.

a0me said,

These tin-foil hat idiots pop up each time any popular company (Apple, Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, ...) cannot meet demand for their last products.
It didn't make sense last time, it doesn't make any more sense now.
So you're telling me that the almighty Apple didn't think to make 2 million or so phones?

Pretending to be 'sold out' is a great marketing play. If something sells out very quickly it becomes more desirable to people. They think "there must be a good reason why it sold out so fast" and that makes them want it.

You've never seen something sell out and wondered what was so great about it that it sell out so quickly? Social psychologists - Apple's marketing team. Gone are the days of making genius advertisements. There's no "tin-foil idiots" involved. Simply, psychology. You're uneducated attempt at insulting people that actually think through actions is a very meek and shallow action of the feeble minded. You should use reason and logic before hitting that button next time.

KCRic said,
insulting people that actually think through actions is a very meek and shallow action of the feeble minded. You should use reason and logic before hitting that button next time.

It seems to me that these "people that actually think through actions" think differently when the word "sold out" is used by MS or AT&T about the Lumia.
"Intelligent people" are, at least in my World, the ones who are able to objectively reason putting aside their personal preferences and bias.
While I personally do not like Apple and its products I do not degrade myself trying to deny facts, no matter if I like them or not.

grayscale said,

I agree but a better camera and a larger screen, "revolutionary" jokes be damned, will sway iPhone users. We also have to consider those that are on contract when they bought the iPhone 4 2 years ago.

With how fast the pace of phone releases now, a 2 year old seem like a century old for some of those who have extra money to spend.

What's betetr about the camera...do you even know? Here let me help you..THEER SI NOTHING NEW. Its the same cemer in the 4S, its just thinner. Thinner isn't better. Thast liek saying, well the tires on my new car are better than the old ones. They are the same tire but they are smaller...how is smaller better if the cemera cant do anythign more? Panoramic shots os not afeature of the cemera, it is a feature enabled through software whch Android had since 2009. 3 years later Apple copies...I say Google should sue them since Google had it firs. Show me another smartphone before Android hat had this capability? Likely none.

S3P€hR said,

Its larger, lighter, faster, slimmer and has better built quality. isn't that enough?

What about "innovative"? I thought that was Apple's suit.....

Fritzly said,

It seems to me that these "people that actually think through actions" think differently when the word "sold out" is used by MS or AT&T about the Lumia.
"Intelligent people" are, at least in my World, the ones who are able to objectively reason putting aside their personal preferences and bias.
While I personally do not like Apple and its products I do not degrade myself trying to deny facts, no matter if I like them or not.

Well I understand the perspective there. Some, not all, reporters do seem to use different wording and spins when it comes to other companies. That being said, I don't think it's fair to generalize all reports of that sort in the same category. Is Apple spouting misinformation in an attempt to raise demand in people? Maybe. Quite likely in fact. Could the "sell out" be accurate? It's possible. However, with all the time they've had and resources available to them. With all the A grade analysts on their payroll - they couldn't predict that maybe (every time) they should make more than a few hundred thousand devices? That makes no sense whatsoever. They expect how many millions to eat their phone like candy the moment it's out but they only make a window display sized amount to start with.... by accident?

This has nothing to do with my dislike of Apple. Other companies do this, it's marketing. I just can't name another instance off the top of my head from another company at the moment.

grayscale said,

some are probably iPhone users who skipped 4s? That's a decent upgrade compared to iPhone 4.

Going from an iPhone 4 to an iPhone 5, cannot wait

TechieXP said,

What's betetr about the camera...do you even know? Here let me help you..THEER SI NOTHING NEW. Its the same cemer in the 4S, its just thinner. Thinner isn't better. Thast liek saying, well the tires on my new car are better than the old ones. They are the same tire but they are smaller...how is smaller better if the cemera cant do anythign more? Panoramic shots os not afeature of the cemera, it is a feature enabled through software whch Android had since 2009. 3 years later Apple copies...I say Google should sue them since Google had it firs. Show me another smartphone before Android hat had this capability? Likely none.

I'm talking about those who'd upgrade from iPhone4 to 5.
Meaning: Android having the panoramic feature DOES NOT MATTER. The discussion started with me saying that the ones who'd buy this will include those people (4 -> 5).

I don't like the iPhone 5 as much as the next guy but good God, can't you guys have a healthy discussion without showing your lust for your Droids? O.o

KCRic said,
So you're telling me that the almighty Apple didn't think to make 2 million or so phones?

Pretending to be 'sold out' is a great marketing play. If something sells out very quickly it becomes more desirable to people. They think "there must be a good reason why it sold out so fast" and that makes them want it.

You've never seen something sell out and wondered what was so great about it that it sell out so quickly? Social psychologists - Apple's marketing team. Gone are the days of making genius advertisements. There's no "tin-foil idiots" involved. Simply, psychology. You're uneducated attempt at insulting people that actually think through actions is a very meek and shallow action of the feeble minded. You should use reason and logic before hitting that button next time.

How can you sell out a "pre-Order". If there is not enough phones then you just need to tell them that there will be a waiting period before the next shipment will arrive.

TechieXP said,

What's betetr about the camera...do you even know? Here let me help you..THEER SI NOTHING NEW. Its the same cemer in the 4S, its just thinner.


Let me help you then: new dynamic low light mode, sapphire crystal cover, better color matching (in combination with the new A6), speedier capture, still capture during video. And it's also 25% thinner.
And the front facing camera now features 720p video.

KCRic said,
Pretending to be 'sold out' is a great marketing play. If something sells out very quickly it becomes more desirable to people. They think "there must be a good reason why it sold out so fast" and that makes them want it.

Oh I understand where the conspiracy theorists are coming from.
However, based on common business sense, the risk of artificially selling out a product far over-weighs any potential benefit.
There is no guarantee that customers will come back later and retry to buy afterward if once unable to buy the product because of availability. Not all customers are enthusiastic enough to wait until their store get restocked.

a0me said,

Oh I understand where the conspiracy theorists are coming from.
However, based on common business sense, the risk of artificially selling out a product far over-weighs any potential benefit.
There is no guarantee that customers will come back later and retry to buy afterward if once unable to buy the product because of availability. Not all customers are enthusiastic enough to wait until their store get restocked.
Well as stated before: How is it possible to 'sell out' of something that's not tangible? These are pre-orders. If anything Apple reached it's pre-order allocation. That's all.

Not sure why you're stuck on this conspiracy theory kick. This isn't the government. It's speculation on the nature of business practices. Psychology is a very simple pseudoscience. Most of it is common sense. If I make you think everyone else wants something I'm selling - you're going to want it also when it becomes available (assuming I... or the media, keep the hype up). So yes, the gamble is well worth it for those that understand how gullible a group of people are.

You don't think as an individual most of the time. Your actions and thoughts are swayed by those around you. Remember? A person is smart; people are stupid

Apple knows. Most companies know. No conspiracy involved. Just pure and simple marketing of a product. Hell, is it a conspiracy theory why Apple runs almost no commercials anymore? They did when the first iPhone appeared. The use to for Macs. Now, no iPhone commercials and they're very sparse on the Mac ones.