Editorial

iPhone 5: What the hell is going on?

Apple showed off today the follow-up to the iPhone 4, the iPhone 4S. What many were also expecting to see today was a new iPhone 5 in addition to the 4S. It seems a bit baffling that Apple didn't show off a new iPhone that kept even remotely close to the iPhone 5 rumors as there was an incredible amount of "leaks" around the device, which all amounted to nothing, so far.

The most confusing bit is all of the iPhone 5 cases that hit retail 1, 2, 3 or that the iPhone 5 had shown up in many inventory systems. While it could be possible that companies were jumping the gun on putting the iPhone 5 into their systems, both iterations had shown up on multiple websites. Even Al Gore, who sits on Apple's board talked about iPhones (yes plural), although it is not clear if that was mentioning multiple models, 4S and 5, or different models meaning color and storage options.

And then one of the biggest bits of information, the rumor that Sprint is forking over $20 billion dollars for the iPhone seems a little unpalatable with just the 4S. This seems a bit off considering that the device is not the next and greatest but more of a warmed over iPhone 4 with a couple cool new applications. Finally, the reshaped iPhone 5 rumors date all the way back to April, with the teardrop shape being first reported.  Something seems fishy...

So here we are, the iPhone 4S has launched, no NFC, no LTE, no WiMax, we have boatloads of rumors, leaked cases, a full blown mockup, Sprint tossing out 20 billion dollars for no exclusivity of anything and still no iPhone 5. Not to mention about 50 minutes of the keynote was information shown off at WDC and was a re-hash of previously presented information; very un-Apple like. 

Could Apple be waiting to for more efficient LTE technology, was there a slip in production that caused Apple to delay the iPhone 5, or was the iPhone 5 a massive assumption built off of rumors and propelled by the media? While the real answer will never be known, all the hype around the iPhone 5 and leaked information/products made it seem as if Apple was ready to launch, but then didn't.

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My friends at the o2 shop said to me "You should wait untill Tuesday when the new Iphone information is released" ....I didn't wait, I brought a Samsung Galaxy s2.

Looks like i good thing i DIDN'T wait.

In the end it doesn't matter if Apple would have released something short of a miracle people will always be disappointed regardless...

Apple didn't release the iPhone 3G back in 2007 when 3G was available (but not widespread). They waited a year for the technology to mature and companies to improve their 3G infrastructure. Once that happened, they released the iPhone 3G a year later in 2008.

I have a feeling that Apple is doing something similar here. Maybe there are battery issues with the iPhone 5 on LTE networks. Maybe Apple is waiting on larger LTE networks. Regardless, the iPhone 5 isn't ready for release and it certainly isn't a case of Apple "dropping the ball".

If any lesson is to be learned from this, it's to not believe the rumours you read online.


Great post but I also believe Jobs' passing had to do with it.

htcz said,

Great post but I also believe Jobs' passing had to do with it.

I think you finally hit the nail. Was scanning through the comments to see if someone would point that out. I think considering the really, really sad turn of events, releasing the iPhone 5 would have been the absolute worse thing they could have done right now.

i think ppl are just weird apple is there announcing a product with twice the speed of todays iphones 4 on processor on space on memory and even camera and filming is better who the **** are not happy seriously i have. 3gs and ipad 2 will ge the iphone 4s a5 processor bang 1gb of memery bang 64 gb of hd bang 1080p in recording 8 mega pixel camera bang new application or voice control bang ios 5 bang new anten cdma and gsm bang being capable of inet and calling bang its an iphone 5 just not the name and new look ppl should be happy its continuity but wuth revolutionnary things under the hood wtf is wrong with ya ppl

Oh no, your iPhone 5 wasn't announced. Jim just died of cancer and left his two 5 year old sons to foster care. Probably better for them, maybe they'll go to a better off family that can buy all these cool gadgets with a few software upgrades and a better camera!

Apple didn't release the iPhone 3G back in 2007 when 3G was available (but not widespread). They waited a year for the technology to mature and companies to improve their 3G infrastructure. Once that happened, they released the iPhone 3G a year later in 2008.

I have a feeling that Apple is doing something similar here. Maybe there are battery issues with the iPhone 5 on LTE networks. Maybe Apple is waiting on larger LTE networks. Regardless, the iPhone 5 isn't ready for release and it certainly isn't a case of Apple "dropping the ball".

If any lesson is to be learned from this, it's to not believe the rumours you read online.

Anaron said,
I have a feeling that Apple is doing something similar here. Maybe there are battery issues with the iPhone 5 on LTE networks.
There are battery issues with every LTE phone, so I'm not surprised that they're waiting for the technology to mature.

Well the author answered his own question, they were rumours!

The 4S looks awesome and I will be ordering one, As for Android phones being better already, hardware wise yes, software wise hell no!. Unless you spend time tinkering and customizing Android phones with roms and such then IMO not worth touching, plus the security issues and malware I don't think people give a tiny rats bottom and Android especially with this juicy offering from Apple.

jonnyH said,
The 4S looks awesome and I will be ordering one.

Guess what it looks exactly the same functions exactly the same nothing has changed! Great isn't it. Imagine if Google got HTC to change the colour of the nexus one to white and sell it as the nexus two... incredible wouldn't it be ?

Digitalx said,
Guess what it looks exactly the same functions exactly the same nothing has changed! Great isn't it. Imagine if Google got HTC to change the colour of the nexus one to white and sell it as the nexus two... incredible wouldn't it be ?
I guess you missed the A5 processor, 8MP camera with a new lens system, world phone functionality, HSDPA, Bluetooth 4.0, improved battery life, and Siri voice assistant.

But yep, same damn phone.

jonnyH said,
The 4S looks awesome and I will be ordering one, As for Android phones being better already, hardware wise yes, software wise hell no!.
I'm really not seeing how they're better hardware wise. Larger screens, yea, but none of them have higher resolutions than the iPhone 4. The A5 chip is a hell of a processor too.

Who the hell cares !!
After iphone released its version 3 there was going to nothing really new in 4 or 5 !!
Rumours were nothing more than just that RUMOURS !!
Sometimes I think iphone "lovers" should be put into the same area as the general APPLE "lovers" they will believe anything that they are told but really won't say much when they are let down by what is "actually" released.

Caveman-ugh said,
Who the hell cares !!
After iphone released its version 3 there was going to nothing really new in 4 or 5 !!
Rumours were nothing more than just that RUMOURS !!
Sometimes I think iphone "lovers" should be put into the same area as the general APPLE "lovers" they will believe anything that they are told but really won't say much when they are let down by what is "actually" released.
my rich friend cares! thats all he talks about!

We're all looking at this and saying: man, Apple really screwed up.

But you just watch and see...
You know it's still going to sell out and people will still wait in long lines to buy this thing.

This is Apple doing what they do best: milking the market and saving things like the screen upgrade for another generation.

Brian Miller said,
What is "Siri" short for?

Nothing, it's just the name of an app Apple bought a while back. An app that coincidently is nearly exactly the same as the new inbuilt iOS Siri feature

At the end of the day - this upgrade is kinda like the upgrade RIM has done for its new OS 7 line. The next one might be the bigger one.

Lol i am amazed out how many people are effed by this. Who blloody cares..iPhone 4s is iPhone 5! Thats why its not good to get excited over a "phone"

It's very simple, people were completely swept up in the rumors the media kept hyping up. Keep in mind that Apple never once confirmed that there was going to be an "iPhone 5" or a form factor redesign. It was all hyped up by the media.

Today's announcement was no surprise to me. It's basically like how the 3GS was an incremental upgrade to the 3G. I remember before all the iPhone 5 rumors people on various forums were all "The next iPhone isn't going to be a big deal. It'll probably have a faster processor, more RAM, a better camera. Nothing special." After all these iPhone 5 rumors everyone was all "ZOMG! A form factor redesign with internal upgrades? It's going to be amazing!"

I'm pretty content with the announcement myself. As a photographer, the camera upgrade is a big deal to me. I also plan on going overseas and do not want to rent a crappy phone because nearly the rest of the world uses GSM while I'm on Verizon. It would of been nice to have a 4'' screen, but to me, this isn't a deal breaker. 64 GB of storage will be really nice too.

tl;dr: The media hyped up the "iPhone 5", people got swept up in those rumors. They should learn to take rumors with a grain of salt because Apple never confirmed any of them.

Why would apple release a new version with significant hardware changes, in between the iPhone 4 and 5? I thought they hated fragmentation...but this is clearly more capable than its vanilla 4.0 brethren without being 5.

thornz0 said,
Why would apple release a new version with significant hardware changes, in between the iPhone 4 and 5? I thought they hated fragmentation...but this is clearly more capable than its vanilla 4.0 brethren without being 5.

Actually, it pretty much fits the pattern they started a few years ago (not counting the first gen iPhone).

iPhone 3G -> iPhone 3GS -> iPhone 4 -> iPhone 4S

And there really isn't any fragmentation here, at least not on the scale of Android, since the 3 latest models all are capable of running the current version of iOS, and aren't at the mercy of carriers to approve software updates.

This is hilarious to be honest. Apple never said anything and all these rumours were just wishful thinking of people with too much time on their hands. Apple should be commended, after the iPhone 4 disaster they managed to keep things hush hush. A valuable lesson has been learned here today, don't believe everything you read on the internet

"The previous round of rumour and innuendo amounted to nothing. The solution: a new rumour that proposes the previous ones were true and 'new Apple hotness' is just around the corner"

Could Apple be waiting to for more efficient LTE technology, was there a slip in production that caused Apple to delay the iPhone 5, or was the iPhone 5 a massive assumption built off of rumors and propelled by the media? While the real answer will never be known, all the hype around the iPhone 5 and leaked information/products made it seem as if Apple was ready to launch, but then didn't.

What's more likely: a company that more-or-less "owns" the profit-share of this segment of the market designed and built a product, put it into production and then said "oops, looks like the infrastructure in the US isn't ready for it." or some random dorks on internet sites were desperate enough for page views that they'd jump at the chance to repost rumour, no matter how believable, and then had a huge circle jerk where they linked to one-another creating the illusion of 'late breaking news', when there really wasn't anything there.

If only there were some sort of past precedent with respect to Apple rumours that we could refer to, some way to find out if websites have a history of inventing crazy Apple rumours and then feigning surprise when none of it pans out.

Everyone will cry and moan about this. Until next year when the iPhone 5 is announced and everyone sings its praises.
Circle of life.

What this means today, is that with companies entering the fray of 4G, Android and Windows Phone will have fully developed phones ready for LTE, and iPhone will be wallowing in the fecal matter of it's once-successful fanboy addiction.

Android and WP7 will have LTE phones with 3 hour battery lives, but at least you can reach that 2GB cap a little faster!

Not sure..but to me...Apple announcing something like this is like someone offering you spaghetti with the meatballs....but no sauce.

It's a head scratcher for sure on why Apple did this...but to probably a lot of consumers...they aren't going to buy this. They will do what I will be doing...and that is...waiting for Iphone 5. Even if it's another year before it comes out.

People are getting so upset, but Apple never said what was coming out next. Rumors are exactly that, rumors. You either like the phone they are releasing or you don't. For those people who don't think it is worth it, then at least they can buy the iPhone 4 for less money now instead.

I will be buying this because I don't have an iPhone 4. For people like me, this upgrade is great. I don't care what they name it.

Maybe Samsung, Motorola, Nokia and Alcatel have finally been ****ed of by Apple's ban strategy and decided not to license LTE to them.

sviola said,
Maybe Samsung, Motorola, Nokia and Alcatel have finally been ****ed of by Apple's ban strategy and decided not to license LTE to them.

This wouldn't work.
Ever heard of FRAND?

GS:mac

Quite frankly if they'd changed the outer design and called it "iPhone 5" people would be going crazy over this device. I think it's simply a psychological thing, after all a lot of the specs have been bumped up back to top-end specs, and the hardware design is still one of the more premium designs on the market.

~Johnny said,
Quite frankly if they'd changed the outer design and called it "iPhone 5" people would be going crazy over this device. I think it's simply a psychological thing, after all a lot of the specs have been bumped up back to top-end specs, and the hardware design is still one of the more premium designs on the market.

I have to admit that the iPhone 4 design is great; said that, maybe because I am spoiled by my HD2 and HD7, a 3.5 screen is too small for me: a 4 one or a little bit bigger would be perfect.

Fritzly said,

I have to admit that the iPhone 4 design is great; said that, maybe because I am spoiled by my HD2 and HD7, a 3.5 screen is too small for me: a 4 one or a little bit bigger would be perfect.

I still don't understand the utility of having a 4+ inch screen that has a LOWER resolution than the 3.5 inch screen on an iPhone w/ retina display. I guess the on screen keyboard may be easier to use? I don't know. But you get a little more than half an inch on the diagonal at a cost of about 230,400 pixels. I prefer the sharp text on my iPhone 4 over the blurry text (albeit, larger text) on a 4+ inch screen for the Android and WP7 markets. But they seem really popular to a lot of folks, so they must find something about them that is good. Just seems larger in the pocket, and more draining on the battery for ultimately less screen real-estate.

Shadrack said,

I still don't understand the utility of having a 4+ inch screen that has a LOWER resolution than the 3.5 inch screen on an iPhone w/ retina display. I guess the on screen keyboard may be easier to use? I don't know. But you get a little more than half an inch on the diagonal at a cost of about 230,400 pixels. I prefer the sharp text on my iPhone 4 over the blurry text (albeit, larger text) on a 4+ inch screen for the Android and WP7 markets. But they seem really popular to a lot of folks, so they must find something about them that is good. Just seems larger in the pocket, and more draining on the battery for ultimately less screen real-estate.


Hmmm, but if the screen is AMOLED or Super AMOLed then it makes a lot of difference. Having used both types of screen it is my view that the Samsung ones blow apple's out of the water they are gorgeous and I never notice blurry text. Probably because I am too amazed by the gorgeous colours of my photos and videos.

Apple is still gonna sell 20 million of these per quarter. The bump to A5, better camera, Siri will make it very tasty for consumers. Remember 50% of Android users are thinking of jumping to another phone OS.

Apple is still gonna sell 20 million of these per quarter. The bump to A5, better camera, Siri will make it very tasty for consumers. Remember 50% of Android users are thinking of jumping to another phone OS.

~Johnny said,

And of course the processor. Which, y'know, is quite important...

Yes I know, but is it worth the 739 euros (985 US$; almost 1000 US) or so for an upgrade?

kiddingguy said,

Yes I know, but is it worth the 739 euros (985 US$; almost 1000 US) or so for an upgrade?

No, I don't think it is worth it for that amount of money. In the US you pretty much have to go subsidized or you are wasting your money (IMO) since the plans are the same amount subsidized or non-subsidized. My understanding is that in Europe they can lock you into a more expensive plan if you have a subsidized cell phone. In the US there is no penalty unless you break your contract. Then they have to pro-rate the cost of the phone.

Shadrack said,

No, I don't think it is worth it for that amount of money. In the US you pretty much have to go subsidized or you are wasting your money (IMO) since the plans are the same amount subsidized or non-subsidized. My understanding is that in Europe they can lock you into a more expensive plan if you have a subsidized cell phone. In the US there is no penalty unless you break your contract. Then they have to pro-rate the cost of the phone.

The amount of 739 euro is based on a simlock iPhone (presumably).
With all data restricted to 150 MB or somewhat more a month for a reasonable price, it's pricewise better to get a simlock free phone.
And I think the 739 euro doesn't offer thát much over a 3GS...

iPhone 5 is real, they just had a delay to put off the launch. Apple are not going to confirm a delay for a product that hasn't even been announced!

I for one am happy with today's announcements (or lack of) as it hasn't left me with an itch to upgrade!

Honestly, the iPhone 4 has continued to sell well all year long. This modest bump in specs is just going to keep its already impressive momentum. They could have redesigned the case, but would it have resulted in a better phone or would it just be different enough for people to see how really new it is? The current iPhone 4 case design isn't dated and isn't "oh so last year". I would say that the Android and WP7 market haven't innovated anything new in terms of what we expect from the chassis of our handsets either.

So, might as well keep the good times rolling with more "Rumor: iPhone 5 will be better than iPhone 4S?" news titles that are completely unsubstantiated or just plain obvious but do the trick and generate ad revenue, Neowin!

It's hard to ignore rumours when there are so many, and most of them match up. In fact, I still personally believe that Apple screwed up and couldn't get the iPhone 5 ready in time for today, and there was indeed supposed to be an iPhone 5 and a lower priced new model (4S) announced today.

This is what happens when people overhype to the extreme. The same phenomenon occurs with computer games too (see: Duke Nukem Forever). Once you hype rumours enough, people start taking them as fact, and expect the impossible, then when the announcement comes, you're bound to be disappointed.

Here's looking at you Neowin "fifty bogus iPhone rumours a day" .net

dogmai79 said,

Unless I'm reading it wrong, that article was not written by Brad. You might want to take a closer look next time.


I must be reading it wrong too, I was sure it said "Tom Warren".

Got a 4 just now, will probably upgrade while the 4 is still worth a fair bit of cash. Couldn't see them releasing 2 phones myself, that would just have been madness.

4s seems like a decent upgrade, comparable to the iPad 1 > 2 update.

i bet they still sell a BUNCH of them... it's smart, release a relatively small upgrade, charge full price and the people who dropped $300 a few months ago for the original 4 will spend the money again for the 4s...

Farrr to many rumors... You can only blame yourself for being miffed!! If you were just happy and content with reporting what is announced (like almost any other produce manufacturer), you wouldn't get all this rubbish..

I've got a 3GS and doesn't matter if a new one comes out next week or next year. There is no big draw yet for me to upgrade yet... (And I'm not just talking Apple here!).

No iPhone nano either... Neowin, please never publish an iPhone nano rumour ever a-freaking-gain. People rumour a small iPhone every single year and it just DOESN'T COME TO FRUITION.

It's amateurish. And yes I know this is an amateur news site, but there's nothing wrong with looking professional

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PS. this editorial is a prime example of why you shouldn't believe everything you hear.

If Apple was planning on introducing the iPhone 5 then they would've either done it alongside the 4S or released a cheaper model now and a fancy new crazy spec'd beast down the line. Therefore it seems like the 4S is going to be their flagship phone till at least next summer. The specs are still good but I've always been impressed by Apples pioneering of high end specs and new features and this keynote didn't have any of that. They had plenty of options such as HD displays, higher MP ffc, NFC and 4G but didn't even bite on any of these.

I think it's important to remember with iPhone announcements that they work sort of the way BMW's have always worked, Even for Revolutionary and odd for evolutionary, it was the way for the 3G and the 3GS and it looks like the trend is continuing.

There is only so much a company can release, i believe the iPhone 6 will be a really revolutionary device over the iPhone 5 (4S).

However it looks like the iPads are adopting odd number for the revolutionary for evolutionary.

As it has been mentioned above a lot of what was supposed regarding the iPhone 5 is just that rumours from blog/news sites trying to generate hits.

Everyone is mad at Apple but they did not start the rumors, be mad at the media for running with anything that smelled Apple. As far as the specs go, it's a nice update.

tmaxxtigger said,
Everyone is mad at Apple but they did not start the rumors, be mad at the media for running with anything that smelled Apple. As far as the specs go, it's a nice update.

On the other hand, Apple could have dismissed the rumors as being just that, rumors. Instead, they always have to be so secretive about everything and get people all worked up. And now this. I think Apple just shot themselves in the foot with their own ego.

Blame analysts and media that talk **** for a living, and the sad people that go to extreme lengths to fake something.. If they will photoshop Steve jobs looking half dead then this is nothing to them.

Dont be blind to think the iPhone 5 was just a pipe dream. Its real, its (obviously) not ready, and will look similar to that model made from the block of aluminum.

Nexus- said,
Dont be blind to think the iPhone 5 was just a pipe dream. Its real, its (obviously) not ready, and will look similar to that model made from the block of aluminum.

as for right now, it's just a dream, it will come in future for sure but you sound like you working for Apple and know all the info, wanna share some rumors??


Sent from my iPhone4

I know the analysts are right there was something, it just didn't happen today. Look at what I have said so far. The phone that was to happen got delayed. Apple wanted to release an iPhone 5 today. They didnt want their stock price to drop as it did.

Just goes to show that too many of the people (members and news posters alike) here take Apple rumors to be Gospel truth when they really are nothing more than rumors. The fact remains that the 4S is a fairly big improvement over the 4, much more so than the transition from the 3G to the 3GS. I think most of the whining here comes from the fact that everyone ASSUMED that they were going to change the case design, and they didn't. Other than the case and the screen, pretty much every other part of the 4S is a huge step up from the 4.

Since I can't edit my previous comment, I'll simply add to it here: I honestly believe that if Apple had changed the case (even slightly) and called it the iPhone 5, then the vast majority of the people complaining here (and elsewhere) would be praising the upgrade.

roadwarrior said,
Since I can't edit my previous comment, I'll simply add to it here: I honestly believe that if Apple had changed the case (even slightly) and called it the iPhone 5, then the vast majority of the people complaining here (and elsewhere) would be praising the upgrade.

That's my take on it too. I will be preordering this phone.

roadwarrior said,
Since I can't edit my previous comment, I'll simply add to it here: I honestly believe that if Apple had changed the case (even slightly) and called it the iPhone 5, then the vast majority of the people complaining here (and elsewhere) would be praising the upgrade.

I know you didn't say everyone, but I wouldn't be praising the upgrade if that were the case. Apple is only just catching up to other manufacturers.. there are other smartphones that are ahead already (Galaxy S2, Sensation XE, etc) and Apple won't upgrade the iPhone for another year... Google's next flagship is just around the corner which will most probably blow all other devices out of the water.

Apple is getting complacent.

No, this isn't about the case design or anything like that. It's just that the Android phones are way ahead and we were expecting Apple to put something new on the table instead of barely catching up to Android phones that came out half a year ago.

roadwarrior said,
Since I can't edit my previous comment, I'll simply add to it here: I honestly believe that if Apple had changed the case (even slightly) and called it the iPhone 5, then the vast majority of the people complaining here (and elsewhere) would be praising the upgrade.

I would have praised it for the bigger screen. I was expecting and hoping for the 5 to be the 4S with a 4" screen. Shame. I'm still ordering the new one, though. The improvements over the 4 make it worth it. For me in particular, I'm happy about the new, faster camera and Siri.

I think everyone is a bit stunned by the events today. I still am. I think this article accurately represents a lot of confused and stunned people out there. I wonder what's gonna happen or what's coming from Apple now.

The only people who are "stunned" are those who keep reading the stupid tabloids and rumor-mongering websites. If, instead of reading and accepting all the silly rumors, people had actually latched on to the few scraps of fact and evidence, they wouldn't really be surprised by any of this.

So really, the lesson here is for people to stop reading the crap that websites post just to get traffic. Wait for confirmed facts and ignore rumors, and you won't be caught out again like this. It's not Apples fault, it's your fault.

7Dash8 said,
The only people who are "stunned" are those who keep reading the stupid tabloids and rumor-mongering websites. If, instead of reading and accepting all the silly rumors, people had actually latched on to the few scraps of fact and evidence, they wouldn't really be surprised by any of this.

So really, the lesson here is for people to stop reading the crap that websites post just to get traffic. Wait for confirmed facts and ignore rumors, and you won't be caught out again like this. It's not Apples fault, it's your fault.

You're right to some extent, but I don't think our sentiment can be fully explained by how overblown the rumors were.

We were surprised because we did not feel the "wow" we usually feel on these days. Obviously we expected a lot more to be accomplished in the 1.5 years of secrecy. Turns out we were dead wrong.

No he is correct and is mirroring the feeling of the masses. The cases and the dummy made from a block of aluminum point to an apple product that was supposed to come but didnt. Apple fudged this one bad. Maybe its supply issues, maybe its poor LTE battery life, but if I was a diehard apple fan I would be upset to wait a year (or more if you were holding out with your 2 year contract) for just a rehash of what is a year old phone. The android world is effectively going to lap apple in this race.

SMELTN said,
Come on Brad don't start your news post like that.. Makes it look like Neowin is turning into Gizmodo!!
...It's an editorial piece.

Nexus- said,
And neowin is 1000x the garbage that is gizmodo.

I'm not sure being referred to as "1000x the garbage of..." is a compliment lol

Perhaps you meant "1000x better than the garbage of..."? :-)

SMELTN said,
Come on Brad don't start your news post like that.. Makes it look like Neowin is turning into Gizmodo!!

The rumors started coming in a few months ago, that Apple has major issues developing the iPhone5, guess it ain't easy leaving Samsung and trying all alone.

protocol7 said,

Or maybe they're just too busy suing Samsung.
But suing Samsung makes sense now because the Nexus prime is going to beat the pants off apple in every way shape possible against the 4S. You have to find some way to fight your competition and if its not with a better product

I can make such a bold statement when there was a video on youtube showing the iPad (with a higher clocked A5 chip than the 4S) doing a browser speed test against the SGSII and the iPhone 4. The SGSII easily beat the iPad 2, thus meaning it would more easily beat the iPhone 4S.

SMELTN said,
Come on Brad don't start your news post like that.. Makes it look like Neowin is turning into Gizmodo!!

What he should have said was:
What the hell is wrong with you Apple!?

protocol7 said,

Or maybe they're just too busy suing Samsung.
Yes because they're obviously using their engineers as lawyers in the Samsung case