iPhone 5S: Dual-LED flash, available October 25?

As the reveal of the second generation iPhone 5 approaches, new reports have surfaced, claiming that the iPhones 5S and 5C might be made available for purchase this fall on the 25th of October. This report comes after rumors suggesting that the iPhone 5S and iOS 7 may be launched sometime around the 10th of September, with previous rumors suggesting other days such as the 6th and even the 20th.

The iPhone 5S is the legitimate successor of the iPhone 5, as it falls on the "tock" side of Apple's hardware upgrades and is only a minor upgrade from the iPhone 5. The device reportedly features a dual LED flash (confirmed), the same A6 chip as the iPhone 5, but with a higher clock speed and 2GB of RAM. It will be this year's flagship and compete along the likes of the Samsung Galaxy S4, the HTC One and the Lumia 1020.

The iPhone 5C, however, marks a departure from Apple's previous strategy of producing only "premium" products. Instead of an aluminium and glass exterior, it will have a poly-carbonate shell and come in many colors similar to the Nokia Lumia and its own iPod Nano line.

It will supposedly be priced aggressively so as to compete with other "low-end" or budget models like the BlackBerry Q5 and the Lumia 520, or 620, while still maintaining flagship internals as it should feature roughly the same internals as the current iPhone 5.

Source: Phone Arena | Image via Sina Weibo

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I accidentally busted my microphone on my iPhone 5. Very bad idea to use compressed air to blow lint out of the microphone port. Quick trip to the Apple store and they swapped it out for a new (or rather, refurb) iPhone 5. Very happy with the level of support I get from Apple. Compare that to my horrible experience with receiving 3x defective Nexus 4 devices from Google Play Store over the course of 2 months. I learned my lesson. That's the difference.

My iPhone 3GS is used by one of my family members and is still in great condition after 4 years of use. How many people still have an original Moto Droid that even works anymore? Everyone I know who had a Moto Droid were itching for an upgrade after the first Android update passed them by. Mostly they just all fell apart. That's the difference.

This is a minor refresh to the iPhone 5. Duel LED is just one of the many rumored features. Other features are also rumored but the 5S will have the same look as the 5. That shouldn't surprise anyone when looking over the various iPhone models. The iPhone 5 is a fantastic phone. Not sure why people expect them to change the form factor already. Pretty sure most of you would bitch and moan regardless. That's the difference.

Tim Cook is laughing at all these comments because he knows the new iPhone will outsell all the Windows 8 Phones in a matter of days.

Like that's an accomplishment. It will outsell Blackberry's in minutes, rofl. So what? Windows Phone 8 devices aren't really are target to be aiming for... (unless you're blackberry maybe ) Now if they can outsell Android devices that would be something... but it's not going to happen.

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG DUAL LED FLASH?!?!!?!?! OMG OMG OMGOMG (/sarcasm off)

Seriously.... is that the best they can do this year??? I swear, since Steve went the way of the Dodo bird, Apple has been in a bit of a technological decline....

oh Im sure like every iPhone or any apple product for that matter will have a few improvements, and a couple overhyped gimmick with a fancy name that really have no real use on a smartphone or a macbook with a small display (Retina anyone?)

Holy apple bashing in the comments.

Anyways, iPhone 5S I assume will release a week after September 10ths announcement. iPhone 5C, if that is what the cheaper iPhone is called - or of there even is one, will likely come a month, month and a half after the iPhone 5S.

That's more in line with apples release schedule. Pre-orders will likely start September 10th or 11th for the iPhone 5S. And pre orders will start a week after the iPhone 5S release.

Source: me.

I'd take this article with a pinch of salt.
A6? I very much doubt it,every other rumour says A7. Dual flash is not a normal dual-led , one is coloured, presumably to help with focus. Camera has wider aperture.

Apple event on September 10th, despatch for ~25th like last time.

I don't see how the 5C is a "departure" from premium products. The original iPhone was premium (still had, IMO, the nicest back on it), the 4 and 5s were premium, but the 3 and 3GS were plastic junkboxes. It's only lower quality because the 5 and 5S are better made.,

I can't imagine Apple will use the same A6 Chip in the iPhone 5s. They went from A4 to A5 with the 4 to 4S update so chip upgrades are part of their incremental steps. The new chip (A7?) may use the same dual "Swift" CPU design as the A6 but I'd wager it will be on the more current 28nm process and have an updated PowerVR Series 6 "Rogue" based GPU... it might even be quad core but I doubt it.

There's not much of a reason to pump more power into something when it's not needed. The best update they can do is extend the battery life, and excluding any wasteful processing power majorly helps with that. A quad core on a phone does nothing but waste battery, and nothing needs that sort of processing power yet. Android device makers just like to play the numbers game. Windows Phone is another class example that shows that you barely need any power for a silky smooth UI.

I'm not sure why your response focused on quad core when I just mentioned it as an afterthought and even said I doubt it. I agree it's not needed. What is needed though is a process improvement from 32nm to 28nm to stay current with competitors chips. This means less power for the same speed or more speed for the same power (or somewhere in between.) Also the PowerVR Series 5XT GPUs are dated now so to stay competitive they are going to need to bump their GPU up to a Series 6 (assuming they stick with PowerVR which I believe they will.) This isn't just for performance either, the Series 6 GPUs also have greater API support including OpenGL ES 3.0.

Edited by Asmodai, Aug 13 2013, 3:52pm :

Asmodai said,
I'm not sure why your response focused on quad core when I just mentioned it as an afterthought and even said I doubt it. I agree it's not needed. What is needed though is a process improvement from 32nm to 28nm to stay current with competitors chips. This means less power for the same speed or more speed for the same power (or somewhere in between.) Also the PowerVR Series 5XT GPUs are dated now so to stay competitive they are going to need to bump their GPU up to a Series 6 (assuming they stick with PowerVR which I believe they will.) This isn't just for performance either, the Series 6 GPUs also have greater API support including OpenGL ES 3.0.

My response didn't focus on quad cores... It was CPUs in general. Who's to say that an A7 is more power efficient than an A6 at this point? Surely if there were big enough benefits, they would have used it. My point was that upgrading only for the sake of upgrading is pointless. If they can push more from existing hardware, then it's wasteful to spend the R&D resources on something new and unknown.

A process shrink is always more power efficient using the same architecture. Even if they made no changes at all going from 32nm to 28nm would make the A7 use less power than the A6 at the same frequency. They can then either keep the frequency the same and enjoy the benefits of less power or ramp up the frequency further and use the same amount or power (or something in between the two). I doubt they'll change the "Swift" CPU architecture until they go 64bit with ARMv8 support. I can't imagine they won't take the die shrink opportunity to upgrade the GPU to Series 6 though.

That's all true, and there have been rumors that the 5S will indeed have the A7:
http://www.ibtimes.com/apple-i...mponents-ios-7-code-reveals

I'm not saying that it shouldn't get the A7, but since we haven't heard much about it, there might be manufacturing issues, or some other obstacle that they haven't overcome yet. Both of which would make it a bit risky to rush into the 5S.

The other thing to consider is that they might be releasing an iPhone with a bigger screen sometime in the next year, so they could potentially hold off on the CPU upgrade and it would be an additional selling point for it. That's just a huge guess at this point though.

The reason I brought it up is because the neowin article clearly states "the same A6 chip as the iPhone 5" which I believe is false.

People will buy it regardless of features.

To be honest, apple just had to laser engrave 5S on the current 5 and people would buy it. There are people that just HAVE to have the latest phone, just because it's the latest

Mr.XXIV said,
l hope Samsung and every single Android Manufacture never does the same /s

I'm sure there are people who will buy the latest of anything just because......well just because it's newer than what they have.

What about those people who's mobile contract is up, and they can upgrade to a new phone? You know, like the majority of people that buy phones? My contract is up next month meaning I'll be getting the 5S, and do you know why? Because I don't care for Android, WP isn't established yet, and I want whatever the newest product is. So logically that leaves me with one choice.

Astra.Xtreme said,
What about those people who's mobile contract is up, and they can upgrade to a new phone? You know, like the majority of people that buy phones? My contract is up next month meaning I'll be getting the 5S, and do you know why? Because I don't care for Android, WP isn't established yet, and I want whatever the newest product is. So logically that leaves me with one choice.

What's wrong with that? If your contract is up and you can get a free iPhone 5s then why shouldn't you

glen8 said,

What's wrong with that? If your contract is up and you can get a free iPhone 5s then why shouldn't you

There's nothing wrong with that. It was exactly my point.
Some of the people above were running their mouths about how hoards of people will buy the new one for no apparent reason, but they don't seem to realize that a ton of sales are from contract renewals. They make it sound like all these people are buying it simply because it's something new from Apple, and while that is probably true for some people, it's not a significant amount of people that do that.

Astra.Xtreme said,

There's nothing wrong with that. It was exactly my point.
Some of the people above were running their mouths about how hoards of people will buy the new one for no apparent reason, but they don't seem to realize that a ton of sales are from contract renewals. They make it sound like all these people are buying it simply because it's something new from Apple, and while that is probably true for some people, it's not a significant amount of people that do that.

I'm one of those people who will buy the latest phone haha, but only if I can afford it. Hey, why not.....you only live once.

glen8 said,

What's wrong with that? If your contract is up and you can get a free iPhone 5s then why shouldn't you

because it's an Iphone? I wouldn't get one if they paid me for it.

glen8 said,

I'm sure there are people who will buy the latest of anything just because......well just because it's newer than what they have.

Thanks captain obvious. Seriously, I see posts from people asking if they should upgrade their Nexus 4 to a Moto X. I mean...they haven't even had the phone for a full year and they are already itching for an upgrade.

Pointing it out like ONLY Apple fans do this is pretty naive. Nice try at a save, but not quite good enough.

Shadrack said,

Thanks captain obvious. Seriously, I see posts from people asking if they should upgrade their Nexus 4 to a Moto X. I mean...they haven't even had the phone for a full year and they are already itching for an upgrade.

Pointing it out like ONLY Apple fans do this is pretty naive. Nice try at a save, but not quite good enough.

so because I didn't drip feed you every bit of information, you assume I was only targeting apple users? I'm sorry for that.

There are SOME people who will buy Apple products at release just because they want to have the latest and greatest (not because they need it, just because they want it).

There are SOME people who will buy Android products at release just because they want to have the latest and greatest (not because they need it, just because they want it).

There are SOME people who will buy Windows Mobile products at release just because they want to have the latest and greatest (not because they need it, just because they want it).

There are SOME people who will buy Blackberry products at release just because they want to have the latest and greatest (not because they need it, just because they want it). Hang on a minute, I don't think that last part is correct LOL

on a personal note, I have a Nexus 4 which I love. If I can get a good price for it on ebay, I would consider a Nexus 5 depending on a few factors thought. The price needs to be pretty good, and I wouldn't mind a better camera. If it say costs me £100 to upgrade then I think I'd do it.

glen8 said,

so because I didn't drip feed you every bit of information, you assume I was only targeting apple users? I'm sorry for that.

To be honest, apple just had to laser engrave 5S on the current 5 and people would buy it. There are people that just HAVE to have the latest phone, just because it's the latest

<insert massive "roll eyes" emoticon here>

I keep seeing people say they wont bother upgrading from the S3 to the S4 even though it has a much better camera, more than twice the processing power, a bigger and better screen in the same body size, lots more features. They say it's not enough of a change even though it's a much bigger jump in quality and features between each iteration of iYawn.

james.faction said,
I keep seeing people say they wont bother upgrading from the S3 to the S4 even though it has a much better camera, more than twice the processing power, a bigger and better screen in the same body size, lots more features. They say it's not enough of a change even though it's a much bigger jump in quality and features between each iteration of iYawn.

Yeah, I guess if they are happy with what they have then why bother changing. We're all geeks on here anyway and love the new stuff.

DKAngel said,
are you serious a dual led flash, is that all they could do to it? apple get a grip

There might be a new row of icons too

DKAngel said,
are you serious a dual led flash, is that all they could do to it? apple get a grip

they release a minor update to build up cash to build the next one with more improvments, because they know lots of people will buy anything they put out

Buttus said,

they release a minor update to build up cash to build the next one with more improvments, because they know lots of people will buy anything they put out

You do realize that many people in the world are one contract cycles, right? Think about it...

Astra.Xtreme said,

You do realize that many people in the world are one contract cycles, right? Think about it...

right, that means even more money for them

SirEvan said,

Can't tell if serious....

Serious about what? It's been basically confirmed that there is a fairly lengthy list of changes going into the 5S.

Ummm, it's also getting a new security scanner thing on the front. Probably better camera, better battery plus faster chip. Sounds like any other phone update.

serious because most of the time apple only adds one feature, maybe tweaking a few others, but they only add a few small things, whereas companies like HTC/Samsung overhaul the entire phone usually, resulting in more bang for your buck.

Astra.Xtreme said,
Well then you are very uninformed if that's honestly what you believe.
Do you think the GS4 was a huge step up from the GS3?

I can't speak exactly for SG3/4 since i don't own a samsung, but let's use HTC, specifically the last phone I had (HTC ONE X) vs my new phone (HTC ONE). Lets forget about the fact first that the one x should've come AFTER the one based on naming alone...

What changed?:
1GB extra RAM
200 Mhz faster
2 extra cores
higher res screen (1920x1080 vs 1280x720)
better glass
more storage (16vs32 GB)
better camera
better video
better wifi (AC)
Additional GPS support (GLONASS)
better battery
TV Remote built into power button

Now lets look at say the 4s, and the iphone 5:

different chip (a5/a6)
*SLIGHTLY higher res screen (176 pixels taller OOOOOOOOHHHHHH)
*slightly higher res facetime camera... vga vs 1.2mp)
*different connector

the * items are garbage, especially the connector. A5vs a6? haven't seen benchmarks but I'm sure it's not a huge improvement, vs say going dual to quad and faster. Look at the list for HTC, then look at the iphone. see my point? BTW, my One blows the One X outta the water in benchmarks... it's at least 3 times faster in Quadrant.

Point being apple hardly changes things, or adds things. I got MUCH more for my money getting the NEXT iteration of the HTC One series, vs some crappy additions for the iphone, and oh, now i have to buy all new accessories to match the new dock connector with the iphone 5. No thanks.


sources:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/19/htc-one-whats-changed/
http://www.apple.com/iphone/compare-iphones/

fusi0n said,
DUAL LED FLASH!!?!?! ZOMG!!!!!

WOW! Talk about going bananas at our offices today!! I see a bunch of unemployed people waiting in lines in-front of Apple stores here in Toronto! I'm eggggggggggggggcited!