iPhone apps way more popular than Blackberry apps

In the smartphone market RIM's Blackberry is number one with Apple's iPhone in a distant second place. But in the app world Apple is leading the way. Currently the iPhone app store gets 10 to 20 times more downloads per day over the Blackberry app store.

Business Insider says that the Blackberry App World has 20 million registered users and nearly 1 million apps downloaded daily according to RIM co-CEO Jim Balsillie. Where Apple has anywhere between 10 to 20 million app downloads per day.

Currently the top free app in the Blackberry App World is RIM's own Blackberry Messenger followed by a text to speech application that can read your text messages and emails. Where the top free apps right now in iTunes are Spill Da' Milk and Little Metal Ball. The top two Blackberry apps are boring but the top iPhone apps are fun and interactive. If RIM wants to gain shares in their app store they need to make the Blackberry more accessible to gaming which seems to be what users want.

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A few points about the BB:

1) There is only 1 smartphone whose security / encryption has never been broken, and it ain't the iPhone. This is why it is the preferred device for businesses and governments around the world.

2) The BB comes with a limited amount of application memory. My Curve 8900 has 256 MB of fixed memory, and the OS and the apps all have to share that space. I can add a 16 GB SIMM, but apps cannot live there. Therefore, one must use care when deciding what apps to install. I'd love to go hog wild and install all the apps I might need, but the OS / architecture makes that impossible. The iPhone, in comparison, allows for the installing of way more apps, so more apps get installed onto them.

3) The iPhone OS does not multitask. The BB OS does. This is an advantage. So much so, in fact, that Apple has finally decided to add this in the iPhone OS 4.0.

4) Marketing is king. Apple markets the heck out of the iPhone and the AppStore, and RIM does not market the BB and the AppWorld nearly as much. This gives Apple the edge on marketing, where Steve Jobs and Apple have long been king. Even though the BB has been around much longer than the iPhone, I have been seeing iPhone ads for much longer.

Both devices have their strengths and weaknesses, but the next versions of the OSes will make the differences smaller. BB is adding 3D rendering support and other game friendly APIs into the OS, and Apple is adding multitasking to the iPhone. This will make things more interesting in both camps, and make both phones more interesting to both market segments.

This is a silly article. The iPhone OS is a 3 year old platform and people are comparing it to BlackBerry's that have been around for maybe 10 or more years. I'm in no way saying that the iPhone is an equivalent business device like a BlackBerry is, but isn't it possible that BlackBerry's are still so widely used in the corporate environment because they're been there for so long. I have both an iPhone and a BlackBerry that I use for business purposes and they both get equal use. I actually prefer to email from my iPhone. And I will admit that the iPhone is marketed more towards consumers. Overall, I still think the comparison shouldn't be made. In another 5 years i can definitely see more and more people using iPhones for business purposes just as I can see more people using Android phones. RIM has a dying OS and their hardware designs are dated. They can't rely on the corporate sector to keep them alive forever.

asdavis10 said,

They can't rely on the corporate sector to keep them alive forever.

They most certainly can. As long as their devices provide something the competition does not have, they will continue to be successful in the corporate world.
Completely targeting consumers would be a silly business move for RIM. Their bread and butter is Corporate America, and that probably isn't changing any time soon. The consumer market is just icing on the cake.

overkeel said,

They most certainly can. As long as their devices provide something the competition does not have, they will continue to be successful in the corporate world.
Completely targeting consumers would be a silly business move for RIM. Their bread and butter is Corporate America, and that probably isn't changing any time soon. The consumer market is just icing on the cake.

I never said they should completely target consumers. But I hope you can see the problem of them not making a greater effort to increase the appeal of their products to consumers when other companies are trying to loosen their grasp on the business community. It's not just Apple that they have to worry about.

asdavis10 said,

I never said they should completely target consumers.

You're right, you didn't. However, you did imply that their "dated" hardware designs and "dying" OS should be revamped to better suit consumers. Why should they do this when the consumers aren't their target market?

Businesses are happy with BlackBerrys because they are secure and function extremely well as a messaging device. No security-minded IT group is going to order up 300 iPhones/Androids for their employees if they can't lock down the devices. And they're most certainly not going to order said devices based on the employee's ability to install apps. That's exactly what they're trying to avoid.

Sure there's the occasional small business situation where you're allowed to hook in whatever device you'd like to the corporate email system. My company is an example of this. But I would never consider our situation to be a good representation of the actual market. We're just a very small piece of the pie. The situation described above is much more fitting, and represents RIM's real target.

overkeel said,

You're right, you didn't. However, you did imply that their "dated" hardware designs and "dying" OS should be revamped to better suit consumers. Why should they do this when the consumers aren't their target market?

Businesses are happy with BlackBerrys because they are secure and function extremely well as a messaging device. No security-minded IT group is going to order up 300 iPhones/Androids for their employees if they can't lock down the devices. And they're most certainly not going to order said devices based on the employee's ability to install apps. That's exactly what they're trying to avoid.

Sure there's the occasional small business situation where you're allowed to hook in whatever device you'd like to the corporate email system. My company is an example of this. But I would never consider our situation to be a good representation of the actual market. We're just a very small piece of the pie. The situation described above is much more fitting, and represents RIM's real target.

You do realize that if an IT manager wanted to, he could lock down an iPhone so a user wouldn't be able to install apps? They can also distribute profiles for VPN and other business-related settings. You must know this. And as far as security, any device can be hacked if someone gets physical access to it. Whether it be iPhone or BlackBerry, Mac or PC. I've yet to hear about people being able to intercept emails off of iPhones. A lot of these "security" concerns are just moot points. Yeah so the iPhone has been hacked via SMS and a Safari hole, that was patched, but BlackBerry's are immune from being hacked either.

All I can really say is... DUH! Obvious article is pointing out the obvious, lol. I don't really see the point of giving a non-corporate end user a Blackberry, it's original intent was for those running BES, to be able to control the devices via BES and Exchange. You can push policy to Blackberry devices. Their entire design was the corporate world, not gaming.

Just for the record, I absolutely 100% hate my Blackberry.

Amodin said,
All I can really say is... DUH! Obvious article is pointing out the obvious, lol. I don't really see the point of giving a non-corporate end user a Blackberry, it's original intent was for those running BES, to be able to control the devices via BES and Exchange. You can push policy to Blackberry devices. Their entire design was the corporate world, not gaming.

Just for the record, I absolutely 100% hate my Blackberry.

yup, I hate it too, it's a digital shackle

Seems like with all those BBs out there, there is some serious potential for an app market. Apple has made it all so easy to develop and consume apps on the iPhone. RIM should reinvest in this side of their platform and start really advertising it's capabilities.

As for people saying "BB is business... Blah blah blah". I see more teenagers and college kids around here with BBs than any other smartphone. Why? Because they are cheep and on every provider. There is some serious potential for an app market there that is currently untapped IMO.

Shadrack said,
Seems like with all those BBs out there, there is some serious potential for an app market. Apple has made it all so easy to develop and consume apps on the iPhone. RIM should reinvest in this side of their platform and start really advertising it's capabilities.

As for people saying "BB is business... Blah blah blah". I see more teenagers and college kids around here with BBs than any other smartphone. Why? Because they are cheep and on every provider. There is some serious potential for an app market there that is currently untapped IMO.

Eh that depends where you live. Around here I rarely ever see students with BBs. And if I do its usually the cheap Pearl. Most people seem to prefer iPhones or other "smart"phones from LG / Samsung etc (by "smart" i mean they don't run Android / WinMo / Symbian).

/- Razorfold said,

Eh that depends where you live. Around here I rarely ever see students with BBs. And if I do its usually the cheap Pearl. Most people seem to prefer iPhones or other "smart"phones from LG / Samsung etc (by "smart" i mean they don't run Android / WinMo / Symbian).

Looks like your precious WinMo is about to be added to your category of "smart" in quotation marks, Mr. Fold.

Shadrack said,

Looks like your precious WinMo is about to be added to your category of "smart" in quotation marks, Mr. Fold.

Trolling much? Those LG / Samsung phones aren't dumbphones by any account, nor are they full featured smartphones. While I certainly don't like some of the features of WP7, they are the very same features that I didn't like about the iPhone. So by that account, your precious iPhone should be added into the "smart" category too.

But not to mention, since you couldn't find anything wrong about my post, you go offtopic and try to bring something else into the discussion. What a shocking tactic never seen before on Neowin..

Edited by -Razorfold, Apr 27 2010, 4:58pm :

/- Razorfold said,

Trolling much? Those LG / Samsung phones aren't dumbphones by any account, nor are they full featured smartphones. While I certainly don't like some of the features of WP7, they are the very same features that I didn't like about the iPhone. So by that account, your precious iPhone should be added into the "smart" category too.

But not to mention, since you couldn't find anything wrong about my post, you go offtopic and try to bring something else into the discussion. What a shocking tactic never seen before on Neowin..

Spoken like a true fanboy. You repeat the same broken record comments.

Edited by Shadrack, Apr 27 2010, 4:10pm :

Shadrack said,

Spoken like a true fanboy. You repeat the same broken record comments.

Excuse me? How the **** am I a fanboy? And comments have I repeated thats broken? Please tell me.

Things I don't like about WP7: No copy paste, lack of true multitasking, marketplace only apps, no removable storages. Guess what? Those same things held true for the iPhone, and still hold true apart from copy paste.

So maybe you should actually read my post before calling me a fanboy, because 1. I never said anything against Apple or Microsoft or BB or Google or Nokia. 2. I didn't praise WP7 for lacking the exact things the iPhone does/did. 3. My original comment had nothing to do about any OS in particular, you turned it into that. 4. If you want to call WP7 a "dumb" phone for lacking features, the same better dam hold true for iPhone since it lacks pretty much the exact same features too.

Your reading comprehension is about as non-existent as your common sense is. And not to mention that yet again you couldn't find anything wrong with what I posted, so why not look for a personal response? Good job troll.

Edited by -Razorfold, Apr 27 2010, 5:24pm :

I love how everyone continues to say that the iphone is an entertainment device (which I actually did until I bought one). My top apps on my phone right now:
Google Calendar
LogMeIn
Exchange access for company email/calendar
BofA bank access
none of those are entertainment

BlendedFrog said,
I love how everyone continues to say that the iphone is an entertainment device (which I actually did until I bought one). My top apps on my phone right now:
Google Calendar
LogMeIn
Exchange access for company email/calendar
BofA bank access
none of those are entertainment

Ahh just because BlendedFrog uses the iPhone for stuff other than entertainment, it means everyone else does to.

Fact is, most people who buy iPhones are doing so for the entertainment value of it. Where as most people who buy Blackberries are buying it for the corporate / business value of it. Hence the iPhone becomes an entertainment device, the BB becomes a business device. But naturally there will be exceptions to that.

/- Razorfold said,

Ahh just because BlendedFrog uses the iPhone for stuff other than entertainment, it means everyone else does to.

Fact is, most people who buy iPhones are doing so for the entertainment value of it. Where as most people who buy Blackberries are buying it for the corporate / business value of it. Hence the iPhone becomes an entertainment device, the BB becomes a business device. But naturally there will be exceptions to that.

This, there is no surprise in this article at all, lets also not forget that the iPod Touch and iPad also use the apple store, so it's not just the iPhone figures we are seeing here.

Fact is that most corporations will not hand out iPhones to their employees, it will either be a BB or a WinMo device. People that want a phone for personal use and fun will normally aim for either an iPhone or Android.

BlendedFrog said,
I love how everyone continues to say that the iphone is an entertainment device (which I actually did until I bought one). My top apps on my phone right now:
Google Calendar
LogMeIn
Exchange access for company email/calendar
BofA bank access
none of those are entertainment

You check your bank using the iphone... thats just asking for someone to steal ur money.... you do realize the security flaws it has right?

shakey said,

You check your bank using the iphone... thats just asking for someone to steal ur money.... you do realize the security flaws it has right?

Considering that I have never lost my phone, no one has looked through my phone, and the phone doesn't remember my banking details I am not too concerned. Plus I have $0 fraud liability on my account so I am protected. I also only use it on the 3g network not on an open wifi network.

Edited by #Michael, Apr 27 2010, 4:50pm :

Yea really, is that surprising ? The iPhone has a much more easier to use interface compared to the BlackBerry so of course the apps will be more popular.

overkeel said,
This isn't really news. One phone is a toy, and the other is a corporate messaging device.

Funny, I get more corporate use from the so called toy.

Damian. said,

Funny, I get more corporate use from the so called toy.

That's your personal preference. It doesn't change the purpose of the devices.

Companies aren't going to implement an insecure device if security is important to them.

There's also a HUGE BB userbase that doesn't use BBs as bussiness phones but more "casually" just because of the BB Messenger. I think RIM haven't really taped that public potential, they should make a more relaxed phone more akin to the iPhone and Android devices, with BB Messenger.

ahhell said,
Exactly. This endless ****ing contest is pathetic.
I'm pretty sure Mac users don't pull this baseless **** when Windows users say their OS is more popular.

Elliott said,
I'm pretty sure Mac users don't pull this baseless **** when Windows users say their OS is more popular.

Really?
You must be new to the internet.

ahhell said,

Really?
You must be new to the internet.
No, really. I haven't seen the "apples to oranges" argument in relation to Mac v. Windows for a long time. It didn't work then, anyway, and it doesn't work now. Face it: both BlackBerry devices and iPhones do the same things. You can't just shield BlackBerry under the "we're for business" moniker when it's obvious they're trying heavily to market to consumers.

Edited by Elliott, Apr 27 2010, 3:10pm :

Elliott said,
No, really. I haven't seen the "apples to oranges" argument in relation to Mac v. Windows for a long time. It didn't work then, anyway, and it doesn't work now. Face it: both BlackBerry devices and iPhones do the same things. You can't just shield BlackBerry under the "we're for business" moniker when it's obvious they're trying heavily to market to consumers.

Eh your argument is flawed in the sense that a lot of BB features are targeted towards Corporate clients whereas a lot of iPhone features are targeted at consumers. One of the reasons that I decided not to get a BB was that I could never ever get rid of the Verizon / ATT applications on my phone. The next time my phone connected to the BES servers, those apps would get reinstalled. Now this is great for corporations since they can customize it to suit their needs, but for me it was a rather meh annoying point. Also not to mention BBs that were sold on Verizon before were extremely locked down in the sense you could only use Verizons GPS app, WiFi was removed since it "competed with Verizon's 3g" etc.

As for market to consumers? Bit of an odd statement tbh. Yes they are trying to make consumer friendly phones but in terms of marketing they don't do anything close to the amount Apple / AT&T does.

Oh and I forgot to mention that if I was to post an article saying BB outsell iPhones in the business sector (which they do) all the Apple / iPhone users on this forum will reply with duh! this is the most obvious news of the century and well no ****! the BB is a business device

What a dumb article. They are two completely different devices. They both get their respective jobs done well.

But this is like saying "Oranges lead the way in fruit, but still don't taste anything like Apples"

Nashy said,
What a dumb article. They are two completely different devices. They both get their respective jobs done well.

But this is like saying "Oranges lead the way in fruit, but still don't taste anything like Apples"

Of course in this world Apples cost a heck of alot more than the oranges.

Chuck Boots said,

Of course in this world Apples cost a heck of alot more than the oranges.

The worst is still an Apple with Orange... get it ?

I'm with everyone else on this page, Blackberry is more of a business / serious phone. I'm not surprised about this at all... is anyone? Just browse through your friends iProduct and you will find its full of crap!

RIM makes a professional grade business phone. Apple makes a multimedia/entertainment phone, and thats just the truth. Theyre two entirely different devices with different targets. Like it or not, one of the main selling points of the iPhone is the app store. Not the same for BB. So using the number of app downloads isnt really the best way of comparing them. And personally, I'd rather have the top 2 BlackBerry "boring" apps than 5000 fart noise apps.

homeboy rocketshoulders said,
And personally, I'd rather have the top 2 BlackBerry "boring" apps than 5000 fart noise apps.

Errrr, I've loaded up my iPhone with apps, 0 of which are fart noise apps or even remotely similar. The iPhone has plenty of quality applications, most (if not all) of which are much better designed and have a much better user experience than what I've seen from the BB store.

Edited by Elliott, Apr 27 2010, 2:05pm :

Elliott said,

Errrr, I've loaded up my iPhone with apps, 0 of which are fart noise apps or even remotely similar. The iPhone has plenty of quality applications, most (if not all) of which are much better designed and have a much better user experience than what I've seen from the BB store.

Lol neowin news bugs again! Quote added to wrong post rofl

In other news, certain places are experiencing Weather.

I think everyone saw this coming, Blackberry just doesn't have the framework to give Developers a leg-up in terms of design and productivity.

Billus said,
I guess there are 20x more fart apps on the iPhone then Blackberry.

Sorry buddy, it's 2010 here, jokes about fart apps just aren't funny anymore :,(

acnpt said,

Sorry buddy, it's 2010 here, jokes about fart apps just aren't funny anymore :,(

Its not a joke... its a Fact... iPhone has loads of apps but 50% of those are rubbish apps...

Sebianoti said,

Its not a joke... its a Fact... iPhone has loads of apps but 50% of those are rubbish apps...

yet... they are more popular than BB and Android... lol

chisss said,

yet... they are more popular than BB and Android... lol

Heh there are a lot of iPhone users that download those rubbish apps. I think the creator of the iFart app has made well over a million dollars so far. That's a very impressive number considering 1. The app only costs 99 cents 2. Apple keeps some of that 99 cents for themselves.