Microsoft changes stance on used game policy and Internet connection requirements for Xbox One

A rumor is making its way across the web today at a feverish pace that Microsoft preparing to announce that it will be scaling back the DRM on the Xbox One.

The rumor originated over at whathifi.com and a thread on NeoGaf has word from a supposed insider, claiming that they received a call from Microsoft PR confirming the information.

Unlike most rumors, we shouldn’t have to wait too long to find out if the information is true as the post states that Microsoft will be announcing the change later today with a post from Don Mattrick.

While the changes have not been detailed, if true, it would seem clear that Microsoft heard the angry feedback from gamers and took action to potentially rectify the issue.

Update: It looks like something will be announced very soon as the link to the 'update' is not currently live yet.

It is not currently known what the changes will be but a post should be going up shortly and we will update this post as soon as we know what changes Microsoft has made to the policies. At this time, the Xbox Wire website is getting hammered and takes considerable time to load.

Update 2: Here are the changes:

In addition to these changes, there is some bad news; you can no longer share your digital games with friends on your friends list. But, Microsoft is removing the region restrictions on all games.

Source: NeoGaf | Whathifi.com

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Even with Microsoft's terrible PR, this shows that:

1. People like to spread FUD before knowing the entire story.
2. Vocal fanboys managed to scare the market and cause a company to change it's position.
3. It's still cool to hate on MS because their backtracking to the way you want it, just makes them pathetic and unstable.

After E3 we have to think that Sony or the internet massive outcry are the reasons why they removed the DRM. My own analysis of why Microsoft decided to give up

1- Publishers didnt support Xbox One DRM, or at least the big 3 (EA, Activision, Ubisoft) didnt acknowledge or back Microsoft decision leaving Microsoft alone to deal with all the bad PR of such measure that suppose to help them in the first place.

2- The "family sharing" that its not even out at launch its more problematic and confusing that its not worth the effort, it could be abused and its practically too costly to mantain and since publishers are the one decide if they allow it or not its going to be hard to implement it.

3- Limited marketplace, while microsoft its dominating in the US with the xbox360, everywhere else its all about ps3. Sony presence worldwide its more established, with xbox one DRM and region locking policies its going to be hard to expand and sell outside of the 21 supported countries, making the console region free and removing the DRM its the only way to attract new markets.

4- Imposing new kind of DRM affect the push to digital that in the end every publishers want, Microsoft and Sony its already offering day 1 digital game. Having this kind of DRM give advantage to sony or steam who have better policies and prices.

5- Gamestop we hate it, we need it, publishers, customers and console makers have the same hate and need relationship. Its not surprised that ****ing gamestop would affect the sales of their consoles so that wouldn't make sense business wise. Its the same dilemma that the game industry its facing they hate used games and gamestop practice but have done NOTHING to fight it instead they keep doing business like nothing happens. We as customers complain about the stupid gamestop used game prices but people still go there and buy games at that stop without even looking for alternatives. Its a hate and need relationship the same we could said about US and China economic dependency

Business bad practices
-prejudge that every customer is a criminal / pirate.
-Names some complainer customers as "whiners".
-Doesn't listen what the customers want.
-Add changes/features that nobody asked.
-Remove features that most customers uses.
-Says "well, if you don't like then go buy it elsewhere". <-- it is pretty popular amongst some neowin users.
-Change the rules of the games several times.
-Restrict some customers.
-Add some features that only a minor group will enjoy but every customer should pay for it.

ps: EA fulfill all of those points with Simcity 2013.

whine whine whine... thats all i ever seem to hear about everything. good job all the whiners who havnt got 2 braincells to rub together dont run the world because we get slumped back into the dark ages. Win 8 start button removed, wuppy do i havnt even noticed the start button being missing for ages, more whiners that havnt got a clue, xbox one's DRM features to manage digital downloads in a new way that seems like no one else has ever tried or thought of, whine whine whine.

I dont like consoles tbh, last console was a nintendo 64 and i never intend to go back but the way MS was going to handle the digital side looked really good. now theres nothing there and the ppl who wanted that removed prolly moan about the fact they cant share there game with family and friends and stuff. You just cant win with people these days.... they should just go crawl back under the bridge they came out of

Indeed, there's nothing to say they won't reintroduce some or all these policies a year down the line once they're in most ppl's homes. Time will tell. Personally I'm gonna switch to a PS4, I still don't like the kinect always on thing.

***WARNING***
They may have appeared to back down but there is nothing to say they will not just wait until there is a following for the One and they are in your homes and then introduce it!
***WARNING***

I really liked what Microsoft had proposed originally. The new possibilities were going to be great to use and share with friends and family.

I hate using DVD's and really liked the idea of running the game from the hard drive. Now I will just buy games on Live and download them instead of buying any at retail. Yes no more BestBuy or FutureShop for games.

What I don't like about this 180. The sharing and family features were looking promising. I was originally hoping to have two Xbox One's and have a shared library that was always available without the hassle of swapping discs. I was looking forward to going to my brothers and sharing my content. This is all up in the air now since MS just said that downloaded games can't be shared.

This is sad announcement but in the end I would have bought one anyways. I just might end up doing less gaming and use it more as an entertainment device now.

Once again how unfortunate this 180 if I can't share downloaded games between two XBOX's in my house. We will have to wait and see.

I will never trust Microsoft again way to much back and forth and unfinished products with this company over the last few years . Zune / winRT / win8 / Xbox one , the last straw was trying to penny pinch every Xbox owner in the world with DRM. Say what you like but this type of behavior by a corporation is very shady.

I can't believe they even trotted out with that garbage in the first place. Good riddance. I'm glad they actually listened to their bread and butter.

So what would happen if M$ changes it's policies after you bought your XBOX1, and then they suddenly say you have to check-in every 24 or 12 hrs or that simply you cannot play your game anymore because you lend it to a friend.

It's funny how M$ only listens to their customers after they did some damages, like with Windows 8, everybody miss the start button (i miss the shutdown, reboot, suspend button, but oh well i put some shortcuts in the windows start with the command shutdown.exe). Now I think they adding a Start button to call the start screen, LOL. Or the topic about having two UIs in Windows 8 (Desktop & Metro), personally i hate metro (looks really boring), why the developers never thought of two totally separate UIs? When the betas came out these guys never listen to blogs, customers, beta testers or regular normal people? Perhaps they were isolated in a laboratory typing code for Windows, and designing the GUI by themselves.

Somehow feels like Sony was like taking notes of every mistake made by M$ in the E3.

In the other hand I think XBOX One has very interesting ideas like the way you command the console with your voice, actually using Skype on your living room, forgetting totally of your remote controller, multitasking, etc. this is what I thought Apple was going to came out this past WWDC, something like a very Smart AppleTV, but sadly not.

Even wit those great ideas, I'll stick to the PS4.

Super disappointing. The sharing parts of the digital distribution plan would have been amazing features. Don't care in the slightest about the internet connection requirement or publishers being able to lock down used game sales; I'd love to see parasites like GameStop wither up and die.

There seems to be a lot of confusion about how this stuff works. All the games have DRM no matter if they run off a disc or on a PC. There's three ways the DRM is handled:

Disc locked - you must have the disc in the drive. This goes back the old days with special floppy disks on Commodore 64s and others.

Hardware locked - you activate the game on install using some code that comes with it and it only works on that piece of hardware. This is how Windows and most desktop software works along with some download XBox 360 games. The hardware may also be add-on in the form of a cartridge.

Account locked - the game authorizes itself with an on-line login from any system. They can also allow checking out licenses like the Steam offline which means you must wait for it to expire or have access to the system that owns it in order to release it. It's also how downloaded XBox 360, PS3, and Wii games work.

There is nothing new DRM wise with the XBox One except they want to retire the antiquated more troublesome methods. The 24 hours is small enough time for a license checkout that they don't have to worry about denying access from another console. The point is to make everything work every time from anywhere without having annoyed customers having to make calls to customer service.

I can't believe people are actually still complaining... You can't have your cake and eat it too (besides it's a lie!). I'm ok with this for now. I think the technology is there for a slow phase in or opt in of the nicer features. The backlash was overwhelming on DRM. It didn't bother me but it bothered a LOT of people. XB1 still has my money as a better console all around just now with a lot of untapped potential.

I think the damage control was needed and now MS has a few months to mull about and figure out how to bring back SOME of the nicer features while leaving out the less desirable ones. I think the best thing like I said is a system you can opt into and out of depending on your situation.

It's good for now and it totally bursts the Sony DRM bubble because wow that crap was getting old and fast.

The DRM only bothered a lot of people because MS failed to explain the benefits of what the console had to offer through it's family sharing cloud feature, now i am sure if the mass majority knew about the benefits it would have provided they would not have been putting up a hissy fit and forcing MS to back peddle back to the old method. What's sad is, had this been successful, Sony would have most likely come up with a similar family sharing feature to compete with MS and this would have benefited the PS4 fans as well, so it could have been a win for all gamers, but no, the mass majority of clueless idiots had to ruin it for everyone.

I don't think Microsoft is going keep the changes for too long after they sell a bunch of millions of consoles they will probably come back and say after having telemetry from the millions of consoles "we see that customers want the family sharing and they get more game downloads than game disc so we are going to put back the DRM " and that is as easy as a mandatory update.

What i see is a company that was just making bad decisions, and then chose to revert them with equally bad decisions.

I think MS is out of touch with customers, they now have 2 examples of recent wish-washyness in recent history with Major products (XBOX One, Windows 8)

And by not clearly stating what they intended with the DRM policy from the beginning and being all secretive and not explaining the benefits, they just made it worse which ****ed people off so they could no longer look at the policy objectively.

the route problem is PR mismanagement.

ALL of this is still on MS's hands, the consumers on either side of the fence are not to blame for this, MS bungled the presentation of the concept of XBOX One to the masses, you only get ONE chance and they dropped the ball.

I still don't see why they had to make the changes they did, why they couldn't have 2 completely different schemes for Digital and Disc based games.

If they had made it so that Digital Games did not need the internet check every 24 hours to play, that would have satisfied the military guys i think, because for them it would make more sense to have digital games instead of lugging around a bunch of discs, would also have been better to have the option to hook multiple XBOX Ones up in a local network and have local temporary game sharing, ( like say, you share a game to a friends system and it automatically gets deleted after a certain amount of time ) and as well the "cheaper" prices for digital download

And the Disc Based games could have had the same model as the 360 but given you a choice of either having the disc in the tray or a 24hr check in.

those just ideas, but the fact that MS thinks it has to one way or the other is just sad, there is such a thing as options and choices and not just this way or that way.

I Wanted the DRM stuff changed not flipped over, now i'm just not interested in XBOX One anymore, i really never though they would cave and change anything no matter how bad i wanted it, and was just going to wait maybe a year or so after launch before getting an XBOX One too see if policies slowly evolved into something better than they started out.

Now i think ill just stay with PS4, who knows MS may change something yet again in the future or again and again, i just don't to bother.


EDIT: waaaaa

Edited by Phantom Helix, Jun 20 2013, 10:12pm :

Lol. Your objectivity shows with "Xboner" and "M$". Maybe it didn't occur to you the game publishers would have said "NO!" to any of your (poorly thought-out) ideas?

For those whining about what was lost without DRM: Ohhh... big boo f* hooh!

The hell with what DRM "gives". People have spoken. If you like DRM so much, try playing the Xbox One while bending over. That might give you the same results.

Dear @donmattrickxbox @majornelson and @Xbox : Peer marketing is a b**ch!
--Signed: The consumers. =)

#XboxOne #MarketingForDummies #FAIL

Oh man! It is so difficult to please people. Same people bitc**** about Microsoft's previous move are now bitc**** about how XBox One should be renamed as XBox 180. Seriously people? Seriously?

yes of course. i did not like it, and i was a PS guy anyway, but it had some interesting new options, playing without disk at your friends place, for example.

now its just like PS4, so no benefits a lot of people (though a minority) were waiting for.

and all this talk about JUST SUCK IT OR STICK TO 360..

all bullshido!

so i dont think what MS did was good. sony still outgamed them.. but now the xbox fans are back, so MS is good, but not great.


though i might get xbox one now, because KILLER INSTINCT is not on PS4... i waited for this sequel since forever.

A very wise decision. Now to carry this smart thinking forward, provide a choice of UI for Windows-8 users (Windows-9? Windows-8.2?). One UI cannot serve two entirely separate platforms equally well.

The key will be to buy the games online to be able to fast switch between them. Disc based games won't support this anymore. I don't really care about trading personally.

That's totally not true, the games on disc install to the hard-drive, that's the point. Actually I don't believe MS EVER said that online games are needed for fast switching, your just making stuff up at this point.

Now the disc based games, require the disc in the drive. While it's a minor inconvenience, it's still a step backwards

I wonder if someone's head will roll for this monumental ****-up. It completely overshadowed the launch of what Microsoft wants to be a game changing device. #fail

Good to see they listen, but I'd imagine it's only because they were getting nervous about the impact on the division's balance sheet!

wotsit said,
I wonder if someone's head will roll for this monumental ****-up. It completely overshadowed the launch of what Microsoft wants to be a game changing device. #fail

Good to see they listen, but I'd imagine it's only because they were getting nervous about the impact on the division's balance sheet!

fire them all it takes more then one person to try and screw every customer like they were going to do

One key thing you noobs keep missing is the part where they killed off the digital game sharing feature. You must also have the disc in the tray at all time to play. Any future a true digital gaming library had, at least on the Xbox One, is dead. Oh and those good discounts we would have received over time from buying games a few weeks/months later, similar to that of Steam, is dead.

if you think microsoft would ever drop prices like steam you are mistaken there are games on live today for $20-30 that are in stores for $4-5 dollars.

Losing swapping games instantly, family sharing, slower loading just for a used game sells? The article on xbox states you now have to have a disc in the tray to load that particular game. You can no longer do things like matchmaking in titanfall while playing some racing game. It just obliterated core next generation features because people who didn't understand what that DRM gave them.

Losing swapping games instantly, family sharing, slower loading just for a used game sells? The article on xbox states you now have to have a disc in the tray to load that particular game. You can no longer do things like matchmaking in titanfall while playing some racing game. It just obliterated core next generation features because people who didn't understand what that DRM gave them.

Why can't that all be done without DRM?

warwagon said,

Why can't that all be done without DRM?


Because without it, you can pirate the games. Similar to Steam and iTunes, once Microsoft had the system locked down, they could then established a digital ecosystem around it.

AWilliams87 said,

Because without it, you can pirate the games. Similar to Steam and iTunes, once Microsoft had the system locked down, they could then established a digital ecosystem around it.
Why can't they do both?

They can't for physical games, and because of the nature of the console market, physical games can't be converted to a digital copy of the game. An example would be if you can convert it to digital and sell the physical, would physical still work? If it doesn't then itll create a lot of issues in the secondary market (scamms, etc).

For swapping, how are you going to swap two games without physically getting up and changing out the CDs? And for family sharing its not available at launch but rumored to come for digital) .

Now for people to do that they have to be at the mercy of servers to download large games. On release night its going to likely be bogged. Digital games is the future and I'm glad thats still around in xbox one. We basically lost physical disks deliveries for those features.

Although none of the "downsides" affected me originally, I was pleased to hear about this change of mind, however I am disappointed that this looks like the potential to lose the sharing with 10 friends and family option, which is a massive shame as that was a cool feature. Maybe they can release that feature as an update who knows.

To everyone whinging about "Oh no I can't share with my friend who's across the country" Ummmm what do you currently do? Can't share with Steam, 360 can't share without discs, only PS3 can and thats with 2 people now not 5. So I'm sorry but how are you suddenly so hard done by?

Before - Couldn't share without disc
Now - Can't share without disc.

Nothing has changed for you so stop hating.

I'm buying neither console but it doesn't actually say they are getting rid of DRM as some of these comments say. They are just letting you run it forever without the net etc as they've announced.

I do hope that some of that consistent, guaranteed, Microsoft dictated DRM system remains as from what I've seen in the past when publishers call the shots on the DRM for games etc it can get really nasty ala sim city etc.

I think its a partially good move by MS to remove the 24 hour check in because i think they couldnt figure out how people in the armed forces could take there boxes with them cus of no net connection as such potentially losing tons of sales, but it is a backwards move in terms of were getting internet connections where d/ling digital content is fast and quick, lot of problems still with bandwidth caps in some countries (notably US i think always see ppl moaning about caps) maybe but its alot easier than it used to be and the family sharing of digital content is a really big step forward and also to resell digital downloads etc could of started a way of revolutionising how digital downloads are managed.

So buy it digital, stuck with it forever or buy a disc risk scratches, snapping, kid using it as a frisby for the dog!!. the thing with the xbox one discs was that im pretty sure there was no DRM on it because it just contained the files to be put onto the HD and authentication was all done online, looks like theyll have to change that now.

It is backwards BUT when things change in the future theyll already got a fully working system for this in place so they can just easily implement in the future and send down an update to enable stuff to the console if need be.

Peoples moaning is the reason why things are so slow to be adopted but when theyve used it and get used to the new ways of doing it they usually like it better, so there only hurting themselves in the long run

****ing consumers, you people (haters and ps4 fanboys) removed the innovative features on the best ****ing console, now it like buying a xbox 360.1. still buying anyways.

what can i say, expected yes i did, but not that soon.

Im still wont buy the xone, but im happy that xone its not out of the place, competition its always good for gamers and without sony and ps4 we couldnt get M$ change the stance and its DRM policy

Good job microsoft, its good to recognize mistake and fix it before more damage and harm have been done.

Hopefully they get rid of kinect requirement, and the need to activate online the first time, or make consoles come preactivated, again for the sake of convenience.

eilegz said,
what can i say, expected yes i did, but not that soon.

Im still wont buy the xone, but im happy that xone its not out of the place, competition its always good for gamers and without sony and ps4 we couldnt get M$ change the stance and its DRM policy

Good job microsoft, its good to recognize mistake and fix it before more damage and harm have been done.

Hopefully they get rid of kinect requirement, and the need to activate online the first time, or make consoles come preactivated, again for the sake of convenience.

exactly, there is still no reason for me to buy an xbox one due to 50% less gpu performance, slower memory throughput, £80 more expensive and mandatory cctv camera. If they removed mandatory kinect it would be a decent console, not great but decent. If they came out with a new sku with no kinect then they would have a good console as the price would be similar to the ps4.

I stopped reading at the childish "M$".

torrentthief said,

exactly, there is still no reason for me to buy an xbox one due to 50% less gpu performance, slower memory throughput, £80 more expensive and mandatory cctv camera. If they removed mandatory kinect it would be a decent console, not great but decent. If they came out with a new sku with no kinect then they would have a good console as the price would be similar to the ps4.

Calling it a CCTV camera is merely proof of your paranoia. And the differences in the power of the consoles are negligible in practice. Besides, the PS3 had a massive power advantage on the 360 "on paper"... look how that turned out.

TCLN Ryster said,
I stopped reading at the childish "M$".

Calling it a CCTV camera is merely proof of your paranoia. And the differences in the power of the consoles are negligible in practice. Besides, the PS3 had a massive power advantage on the 360 "on paper"... look how that turned out.

have you not been following the snowdon nsa leaks? If you think the nsa can't watch you using kinect you are very nieve.

As for the performance difference in the ps3 and xbox 360 that is very different due to sony's cell processor was a complex design that was hard to code for, both of these consoles use amd's x86 cpu and their gpu so 50% will indeed mean 50%.

torrentthief said,

have you not been following the snowdon nsa leaks? If you think the nsa can't watch you using kinect you are very nieve.

You're at a bigger risk to being spied on through your telephone calls and the camera on your phone being activated, or the camera on your computer.

Even the PS4 camera can spy on you. You're just being paranoid. It's not spying on you.

torrentthief said,

have you not been following the snowdon nsa leaks? If you think the nsa can't watch you using kinect you are very nieve.

As for the performance difference in the ps3 and xbox 360 that is very different due to sony's cell processor was a complex design that was hard to code for, both of these consoles use amd's x86 cpu and their gpu so 50% will indeed mean 50%.

If your tin-foil hat attitude towards any device with a camera inside really bothers you that much, then I'm afraid Kinect is the least of your worries my friend.

ModernMech said,
sounds like you just want an Xbox 360...

nope, i want the much improved graphics that the xbox one brings and bluray playback support.

torrentthief said,

nope, i want the much improved graphics that the xbox one brings and bluray playback support.


Get the re-designed xbox 360. Kinect is awesome in my opinion. It's allows you to play game with ease. You can disable that you know?

They won't spy on you cuz just a voice command thing.
Even E3 they were showing games of a high end HP machines with good graphics card and a xbox one emulator. Don't believe me? Google it!

why the hell would you want to remove the kinect, aren't you tired of always playing the same old bland **** game play? With the kinect it will be the only way to offer biometric type game play into the mix and no i don't mean by the ****ty hand wailing type games, i am talking more about psychological type gameplay, by using the kinect to detect your heart rate, emotion's through facial expressions, etc and what other features it can provide to enhance our experience.

That's one sku vs 5 from sony in the top 10, plus I cancelled my 2 preorders today, I hope Sony outsells them 10 to 1 so they bring ask my truly next gen console.

Crimson Rain said,
I hope they don't remove family sharing for this...

They did. I don't see why they had to remove it for digitally downloaded games, but they did. It would have been perfectly reasonable to remove the feature for games bought on disc, but for the downloaded games, it looks like it was removed as a punishment.

TCLN Ryster said,

They already did.

A big middle finger to whiny bitches on the internet. Morons made us miss out the better feature than sharing a freaki disc.

Crimson Rain said,

A big middle finger to whiny bitches on the internet. Morons made us miss out the better feature than sharing a freaki disc.

Agreed, this makes me said. Although as I said above, I see no reason why they couldn't keep the previously announced platform for digitally distributed games, and revert to the old "360 model" purely for physical games.

TCLN Ryster said,

Agreed, this makes me said. Although as I said above, I see no reason why they couldn't keep the previously announced platform for digitally distributed games, and revert to the old "360 model" purely for physical games.


I hope they make this "day one patch" OPTIONAL and there is a UNINSTALL button for this crap patch.

Only idiots would want disc sharing (limited to ONE and physical distance/availability) instead of sharing to TEN INSTANTLY.

disc sharing its unlimited, family sharing works like a library only one instance, the fact that have to download everything and it can be abused that publishers preferred the old model which for me its the real reason that m$ reverted this

Well I've just cancelled my pre-order, this moves nothing forward and is pretty much an Xbox 361. All the benefits I was looking forward to have been ruined by overtly paranoid whiners that have no forward vision. I'm not even gonna bother with a PS4 now either. I'm just gonna use the money I was planning to use for them, to upgrade my pc and hope decent games port

I have an always on connection anyway an 99.99% uptime, why do I care about that part of it. There were other benefits that have now been removed to appease the cheap people who want to continue to be ripped off by stores like GameStop and GAME

stop generalizing, seriously the rollback its a more worldwide policy and not the US centric one that only apply in the US, here we dont have gamestop or any resell shop.

But we do lend and borrow games and this its a plus not a minus....

With the family sharing option that was coming it would have made lending and borrowing games easier. This has just taken a step backwards

The family sharing offered better benefits and much more convince than the old policy of just lending and borrowing, it is such a shame ms caved in to the clueless.

I have a feeling that over the XBO's life, and as trends change, these policies will come back in some form to adapt to then current trends, but for right now, this was the right move to make. Microsoft was looking too far ahead, and in doing so, alienated a large portion of the market.

"These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray. " Shame loosing this

georgevella said,
"These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray. " Shame loosing this

A small sacrifice for massive benefits.

That's expected on any digital form. You can't share/sell kindle books, iTunes music, etc. As online retailers look for ways to sell 'used' digital content, Xbox will definitely take part in that too. But for now, this is a great move.

thealexweb said,

A small sacrifice for massive benefits.

Being able to play offline is not a massive benefit to me. In fact, it's nothing to me. My Xbox is in my lounge. When I go on vacation, I go to enjoy the place I'm visiting, not play Xbox.

I'm both happy and sad at this news. Happy that it will appease the naysayers and allow the X1 to compete on an equal (or greater, given it's other abilities) footing with the PS4. But I'm sad that this likely means the ability to share my games library with family is now gone too. Without these DRM restrictions, they'll have to bring back the requirement to have the disc in the drive to play. This is a shame.

Surely there must be a way to keep all the good stuff announced for digital downloads (sharing, etc), and use the 360 model purely for the disc based sales?

This is seriously dumb. Thanks to a bunch of whiners who complained about "always online" which I know for a fact most gamers are nowadays and just don't notice it, we no longer have the family sharing. Way to go. I have people that live around the country and would have been nice to share our games digitally....but nope. Back to the prehistoric version of lending games. Seriously....way to go whiners.

VERY nice...

Now I have to reserve it... LOL

Oh, looks like the sharing of downloaded games and sharing with 10 friends has been taken away. I understand why, but that is a shame. Can't have both.

Edited by M_Lyons10, Jun 19 2013, 9:49pm :

Would be kind of neat if you could sign up for the 24 hour check in mode (with its benefits) or the old school mode when you get your console, but that would be complicated and confusing to consumers, so I understand why they didn't do that.

Enron said,
Would be kind of neat if you could sign up for the 24 hour check in mode (with its benefits) or the old school mode when you get your console, but that would be complicated and confusing to consumers, so I understand why they didn't do that.

Agreed. I completely understand. It's just a shame to say goodbye to some of those features is all. LOL

How is that a basic 'right'? What makes you or any consumer entitled? While this is good news for certain people, it's not a 'right'.. it's a privilege. If you use any service or product provided by another party, you're always bound to certain terms and conditions.

j2006 said,
How is that a basic 'right'? What makes you or any consumer entitled? While this is good news for certain people, it's not a 'right'.. it's a privilege. If you use any service or product provided by another party, you're always bound to certain terms and conditions.

No more family sharing... This is what!

Steam on a console... All digital sharing and playing. Now I get to mail a game to California next time I want to share instead of just being able to have my friends play through my library... The Xbox One is basically Xbox 360.5 now

freak180 said,
I feel sorry for you. Nice knowing you.

Do you have something to say ?

[edit] maybe your reply was to SteveyAyo i see his post was deleted. Sorry if it was the case.

This is the best thing Microsoft could have done. By the time the Xbox One is released, very few people will remember this. Consumers seem to like companies that shows they can listen, even if they messed up in the first place.

SteveyAyo said,
Ruining the Xbox One is the best thing they could have done? You realize this is a BAD thing right?
I was under the assumption that whatever they wanted to do at first was unaffected. It looks like they can't do family sharing and running the game without the disc (after installing it from the disc). With that said, I retract my earlier comment. This isn't the best thing they could have done.

No, everything they WANTED to do is gone, they have reverted it back into a last gen console. Family share was removed with this change... Next gen wont come for years now

That's the second time I came across the "disc swapping" argument. Unless you're morbidly obese or bedridden because of a disease, you should be able to walk up to your Xbox and swap the disc.

efjay said,
Then you have a choice, buy discs or download. Is that really such a hard choice for today's gamers?

Nope and it's the best way to handle it imo. If you want to go digital then buy your game on the Live market place. If you want the old scheme then buy discs.

efjay said,
Then you have a choice, buy discs or download. Is that really such a hard choice for today's gamers?

Yes, because now you can't share or resell digital versions, so going all digital has major drawbacks that didn't exist in the previous policies.

Anaron said,
That's the second time I came across the "disc swapping" argument. Unless you're morbidly obese or bedridden because of a disease, you should be able to walk up to your Xbox and swap the disc.

I take it you would still get up to change TV channels, since you're not morbidly obese and all that **** ey?

Fact is this would have been a benefit, however you want to spin it, now get off your arse and change that TV station!

duddit2 said,

I take it you would still get up to change TV channels, since you're not morbidly obese and all that **** ey?

Fact is this would have been a benefit, however you want to spin it, now get off your arse and change that TV station!

No, I have a remote for that. If you don't want to swap discs, then buy the digital version of the game and download it.

Anaron said,
No, I have a remote for that. If you don't want to swap discs, then buy the digital version of the game and download it.

And then be lumbered with a game you can't re-sell or lend. Fact is, the drawbacks of the DRM would have only affected a minority. The benefits the DRM would allow for would have enhanced the experience for the majority. That is now lost.

Anaron said,
No, I have a remote for that. If you don't want to swap discs, then buy the digital version of the game and download it.

But how do you share said digital games?

Anaron said,
That's the second time I came across the "disc swapping" argument. Unless you're morbidly obese or bedridden because of a disease, you should be able to walk up to your Xbox and swap the disc.

It's not a question of physical capability. It's a matter of having to keep a rack of a discs messing up your living room and have to dig through junk only to find the box is empty. It's also a matter a disc getting damaged. We have big, cheap hard drives in the modern world and optical media is basically pointless.

FFS if this is true then the stupid folks have just disabled a potentially great feature by a simple lack of understanding, f**king idiots and your quick internet wisdom that spreads like the smell of a **** hitting a bonfire with the same lack of knowledge! *******s!

Wait a minute, does this mean that the sharing with 10 family members is now out? If so, then "F" all you "A"s whose whining got rid of a great forward looking feature.

If the sharing with 10 family members is still there, then this loosing of the DRM is a net positive.

ID10T said,
Wait a minute, does this mean that the sharing with 10 family members is now out? If so, then "F" all you "A"s whose whining got rid of a great forward looking feature.

If the sharing with 10 family members is still there, then this loosing of the DRM is a net positive.

"These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray."

Seems like it, the f**king idiots! (not MS, the people).

Do we really know that for sure? They didn't talk about any consequences so as far as we know, family sharing is still coming.

Anaron said,
Do we really know that for sure? They didn't talk about any consequences so as far as we know, family sharing is still coming.

Discs being required to be in the tray as per this quote and I'll bet it limits the family sharing too

These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.


None of this should impact how downloaded games work, inc sharing. Downloaded games dont require a disc so they can be shared, accessed as they stated before. They are on your hard drive so unless people are going to be ripping open their Xbox One's to transfer the game it shouldnt have the impact you suggest.

efjay said,
None of this should impact how downloaded games work, inc sharing. Downloaded games dont require a disc so they can be shared, accessed as they stated before. They are on your hard drive so unless people are going to be ripping open their Xbox One's to transfer the game it shouldnt have the impact you suggest.

"These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray."

- Xbox One, ruined

-T- said,

Discs being required to be in the tray as per this quote and I'll bet it limits the family sharing too

These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

When I read that part of his post, I get the impression that family sharing is out the window even for digital downloads.

If so, I will be very ****ed. This was an amazing forward looking feature and the vocal minority aholes killed it for us mainstreamers who would have greatly benefited from this online sharing concept.

I am extremely proud of Microsoft for listening to us, the paying customers, and all the B&M'ing over this. This goes to show that anything is possible and this should help change the opinion a lot of people have of the Xbox One and of it vs. PS4 over DRM/rental issues.

freak180 said,
No reason to cry about it. You already complain above so this 2nd comment is just trolling.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Great, so now I have to have the disc in the tray to play the game? Hopefully next gen will actually be next gen. Welcome Xbox 360.5 to go along with Playstation 3.5 and its last-decade outlook.

My problem is that I liked the policies that were in place. I was happy. 24 hour check in? Don't care, I have broadband. Before, I could download a game and share it with my friends. Can't do that now. Before I could buy a game and use it without the disc in. Can't do that now. If I wanted a last gen console I'd buy the PS4. Xbox One was something new and better... this is just more of the same.

Only 2% only cared for the previous policies so I doubt complaining about it is going to help. Your friends can go out and buy their own games. I dont see how this is an issue.

freak180 said,
Only 2% only cared for the previous policies so I doubt complaining about it is going to help. Your friends can go out and buy their own games. I dont see how this is an issue.

Yeah, I guess I was the only one who wanted to trade and lend digital games with my friends living across the country. Seems like everyone else is intent on staying in a disc-based world. This glimpse of the future was fun while it lasted.

freak180 said,
omg what is your problem?? This was a horrible decision! People are never happy i swear!

I personally liked sharing games. I think this is what next-gen is truly about.
Not everyone has the net, but not everyone can go to other country everyday just to give a physical disc. (Family Sharing)

SPARTdAN said,
This is great if true, glad that Microsoft are listening.

Sorry but <snipped>, I'd be happy if people like you would <snipped> read a little instead of jumping on hate trains, you just <snipped> up my next gen experience with <snipped> friends. <snipped>

Edited by Eric, Jun 20 2013, 12:19am :

duddit2 said,

Sorry but <snipped>, I'd be happy if people like you would <snipped> read a little instead of jumping on hate trains, you just <snipped> up my next gen experience with <snipped> friends. <snipped>

Sorry that you ended up being in the minority.

Edited by Eric, Jun 20 2013, 12:43am :

omgben said,

Sorry that you ended up being in the minority.

Yeah me too, although I feel like most of the people just jumped on a hate wagon and overall they would have preferred the old policies if they got to use them, but hey ho its not unusual for small minded idiots to ruin things.

I don't think the bandwagon idiots helped decide this, though. If they did, then Windows 8.1 would come bundled with a Start Menu. I think that there were a lot of people with legitimate concerns. Microsoft listened and then reviewed their upcoming policies and made changes presented today. They probably came to the conclusion that the world isn't ready yet.

Right.

duddit2 said,

Sorry but <snipped>, I'd be happy if people like you would <snipped> read a little instead of jumping on hate trains, you just <snipped> up my next gen experience with <snipped> friends. <snipped>

Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.

For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.

Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.

You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.

So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games - After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today - There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.


In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.


These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.


We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.


Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.

Most people here are capable of clicking on links, and reading text on a website without your copying and pasting the entire blog post into a news article comment.

TCLN Ryster said,
Most people here are capable of clicking on links, and reading text on a website without your copying and pasting the entire blog post into a news article comment.

Not to mention, website owners would prefer you visit their site. I appreciate what the poster was doing, but anything that allows lazy people to be lazy I have to disagree with on principle... LOL

Citing multiple sources, GiantBomb says Microsoft has decided to remove a laundry list of Xbox One restrictions that customers considered negative:

No more always online requirement
The console no longer has to check in every 24 hours
All game discs will work on Xbox One as they do on Xbox 360
Authentication is no longer necessary
An Internet connection is only required when initially setting up the console
All downloaded games will function the same when online or offline
No additional restrictions on trading games or loaning discs
Region locks have been dropped

GOD I HOPE THIS IS ALL TRUE....BECAUSE I JUST PRE-ORDERED!!!

Here is what we lost today:

1. No more accessing your games from ANY Xbox One, now if you want to play you have to have a physical disc with you.

2. No more game sharing online. Again if you want to share a game with a friend they now have to either come get it or you have to take it to them.

3. Possibility of heavily discounted games during digital sales. Nothing changed in the used game market now, lube up and head to gamestop is your option again

SteveyAyo said,
Here is what we lost today:

1. No more accessing your games from ANY Xbox One, now if you want to play you have to have a physical disc with you.

2. No more game sharing online. Again if you want to share a game with a friend they now have to either come get it or you have to take it to them.

3. Possibility of heavily discounted games during digital sales. Nothing changed in the used game market now, lube up and head to gamestop is your option again


Thanks MS. Now I wont get xbox one anymore.

TBH I think somehow MS got the impression Sony were going all in on the DRM front.. and now they have no choice but to reign it back a bit or face loosing a lot of people to Sony. The world isn't ready for that kind of DRM on consoles.

Louisifer said,
TBH I think somehow MS got the impression Sony were going all in on the DRM front.. and now they have no choice but to reign it back a bit or face loosing a lot of people to Sony. The world isn't ready for that kind of DRM on consoles.

How do you know?

There are still places without internet, there are families that give children consoles but wont allow them to connect to the internet. In 7-8 years when next-next gen is out I'm sure the world will be a more connected place allowing always on DRM's to be a non issue, but right now as we have just seen DRM is a big issue for many people out there..

Mickez said,
He don't. He explicitly said "think" in his comment.

The world isn't ready for that kind of DRM on consoles.

I'm not seeing the word "think" there, explicit or otherwise.

Louisifer said,
TBH I think... The world isn't ready for that kind of DRM on consoles.

TADA I did magic and yes I am hiding the middle section of that quote up my sleeve!

If this is true, well then... this changes everything. I feel like a guy that dumped his girlfriend because he thought she was cheating.

Only catch is, to use your analogy, you had even the girlfriend saying she will do it, now she's come back and said "No I won't do it!".

The outcome? The level of trust you both have is now irrevocably altered.

If so, then this is great news, and I will be getting an Xbox One. This story is also on IGN, but no specifics have been made, just that no 24-hour check-in and no restriction on used games.

I would like to know specifics on why and how these will work....since, you know....they had to give detailed descriptions on how the DRM worked in the first place. I mean, can rampant piracy now happen since all games are installed to the HDD, and now that there is no 24-hour check-in, you can just keep it offline forever?

As usual they didn't completely think it through, they could have kept the sharing and online requirement for GoD, it was just physical media people had an issue with, well people as in me, with DD and the family sharing, etc, I can understand the DRM here, but never on physical media.

this is the right move.....let the publishers do the drm, now release an xboxone with no Kinect for $399 and your a winner!!

Except they are releasing their console at the same time as Sony. Even in the last gen when they got a full years head start, they only sold more than Sony in the US. Worldwide Sony has caught up and is actually outselling 360, despite the year head start, overpriced console and dismal initial marketing.

i can understand the DRM on downloaded electronic games but they should reduce the DRM requirement on Physical disks.

This is the problem with physical discs... because you can completely install it to the console you would be able to install it to your Xbox One and then give it to a friend who has his Xbox disconnected from the internet... effectively stealing the game.

What Microsoft should have done was kill ALL physical media to begin with

They could just implement the current system for disc installs requiring the game to be in the console. Hasnt been a problem before so not sure why all of a sudden it became a problem that had to be solved with an internet checkin.

Spicoli said,
There is DRM on physical discs. That's why you have to put them in the drive to play the game. Do people honestly what to keep swapping discs like it's 1999?

Indeed. But honestly, I think Microsoft could resolve this with dual auth options. If the game has been installed and no disc (or a different disc) is present, an internet ping is required. If the disc is present, that's that. It'd be a very simple auth routine, really:

1) Check for disc.
2) If present, launch game.
3) Else ping Xbox servers.

This way, the owner of the game can play it regardless, and borrowers can only play it if they have the disc. Best of both worlds, with the game's owner getting the added convenience of disc-free play.

if true that makes MS a little foolish. i mean dont they fully think their strategies over. some internet muttering and they change policies? wierd.

typu said,
if true that makes MS a little foolish. i mean dont they fully think their strategies over. some internet muttering and they change policies? wierd.

Yeah, they really didn't think it through...

They didn't poll their perspective demographic audience.
I guess they figured once it dropped, it would either be accepted or fail. Does it seem weak to roll something like this back?

I'm thinking its a ploy by whomever created the rumour to put pressure on Microsoft to then change the DRM rules, rather than already knowing that they'll change it.

Stefano Elia said,
I'm thinking its a ploy by whomever created the rumour to put pressure on Microsoft to then change the DRM rules, rather than already knowing that they'll change it.

Macchiavelli at work here...............

I'm sure most of us would, except that unlike Steam you have to "check in" daily to play the games because you might have traded or sold the thing. Like Steam there's DRM, but with no guarantee of Steam-like deals. Your console needs a mostly always-on Internet connection. Sure content providers will make more money in this system, but there are a few too many gotchas to make it happen all in one step. MS should have taken a baby step rather than a leap.

It's more accurate to say that it's sorta like Steam.

It also has sharing with up to 10 people which of course Steam is only reported to possibly be trying maybe sometime in the future

SteveyAyo said,
God I hope not, don't listen to any trolls and morons... im ready for Steam on a console.

Don't insult Steam comparing it to Xbox One's ecosystem.

georgevella said,
I think we can achieve that the same, and using a less restrictive DRM. Flexibility and choice are always better than one strict path.

No you can't.

thealexweb said,

Don't insult Steam comparing it to Xbox One's ecosystem.

Lol poor little guy doesn't like people pointing out facts? Although you are right, steam lacks the library sharing Xbox One has

SteveyAyo said,
God I hope not, don't listen to any trolls and morons... im ready for Steam on a console.

The DRM and phoning home thing are not requirements for the console to have an electronic games market, you do realise that... right?

They are for the parts of it that were actually good, did you see the part where you will NO LONGER BE ABLE TO SHARE YOUR GAMES LIBRARY OVER THE CLOUD... This is ****ing bull****

Javik said,

The DRM and phoning home thing are not requirements for the console to have an electronic games market, you do realise that... right?

They *are* requirements for having a digital lending and resell system. Now that's gone, along with the most innovative and forward-thinking benefit of the Xbox One.

SteveyAyo said,

Lol poor little guy doesn't like people pointing out facts? Although you are right, steam lacks the library sharing Xbox One has

*had. Pretty sure these changes have removed that ability, sadly.

ModernMech said,

They *are* requirements for having a digital lending and resell system. Now that's gone, along with the most innovative and forward-thinking benefit of the Xbox One.

Trying to figure out a way, in a new environment, to keep doing what's always been done is not forward-thinking. It would be forward-thinking if the users no longer had any reason to want to lend or resell. Trying to keep lending and reselling going in a new environment is backward-thinking.

SteveyAyo said,
They are for the parts of it that were actually good, did you see the part where you will NO LONGER BE ABLE TO SHARE YOUR GAMES LIBRARY OVER THE CLOUD... This is ****ing bull****
Well, clearly the "majority" don't want that

I'm pretty sure the price of Xbox1+Kinnect will be the same, but there will be a surprise soon. Something to do with Comcast ........out.

I never had an issue with the price, the console with the extra Kinect functionality, even if I am not going to use it and probably tape the thing up when not in use, the extra 100 dollars is in line with the PS4 price point, it would be nice if it were cheaper, but that wasn't my beef with the console, so now I can pre-order.

cetla said,
While they at it, Microsoft should change their new console to Xbox One Eighty...get it get it??

Best comment of the year. Coke shot out my nose! :-D

cetla said,
While they at it, Microsoft should change their new console to Xbox One Eighty...get it get it??

Looks like they dropped the regional restrictions too!