Is Microsoft preparing a way to let people resell Xbox One digital games?

Microsoft may be at least thinking about giving Xbox One console owners a way to resell games they have previously purchased via digital download. The new report comes from a NeoGAF message board user, who claims to have received a survey from Microsoft that has such an online digital game marketplace as a possible scenario.

The post claims that the survey asks how users would respond to such a feature, which could allow for a variety of prices for used digital games. There might also be an overall service fee that could be charged to the seller of those used games.

Even if the survey has been created and sent out by Microsoft to some consumers, there is no guarantee that such a used digital game market will be added to the Xbox One. It certainly would seem unlikely to be ready by the time the Xbox One is scheduled to launch in the US and Europe sometime in November.

Microsoft was planning on placing some restrictions on selling used physical game discs for the Xbox One, but after a massive online protest from gamers, the company reversed course and will now allow Xbox One game discs to be traded and resold just like any other physical game.

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Don't get it what's pre owned about a digital game and surely once enough people are willing to sell buying the game "first hand" will become pointless how will the content creators make money?

So they will use their rightly owned money to make better games your using evidence of theft as proof that they can do without the money?

Sylar0 said,
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yes, ? indeed.

All I meant was this new digital license transfer mechanism could open the door for a revenue stream back to the publishers. Used game stores today do not pay a share of a resale to publishers.

This could be better and lead to better and more frequently updated games.

buy game for $49.99 or $69.99. Sell said game for $19.99 used minus service fee..= $????

Quote>There might also be an overall service fee that could be charged to the seller of those used games.<quote (second paragraph)

hey little johnny, BOHICA

I say they do something like eBay where people bid on the digital down load. Then have 10% go towards the publisher minus a MS fee. Either way we the customer get a better trade value than Gamestop or any other retailer.

Microsoft has wanted to allow this since the Xbox One was announced (Prior the 180): http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/06/xbox-one-used-games/

Article refers mostly to disc based games (but remember the Xbox One the disc was just a means of getting a digital copy faster). They had in another articles hinted at Digital Sharing, Digital Reselling, etc...

Hopefully they bring back the 10 Person "Family" sharing plan.

Spicoli said,
Selling a digital game doesn't really make any sense. You might be able to get a promotional credit toward another game or something.

How does it make any less sense than selling a physical game?

MikeChipshop said,

How does it make any less sense than selling a physical game?

It's because the whole idea of a used market is things degrade in value due to wear. A "used" digital game would be completely identical to the new one and the market would saturate very quickly. That means prices would have to go way up.

Spicoli said,

It's because the whole idea of a used market is things degrade in value due to wear. A "used" digital game would be completely identical to the new one and the market would saturate very quickly. That means prices would have to go way up.


Um a used physical game is completely identical to a new one too...

Just because the box / cd have minor scratches doesn't mean the game has suddenly changed...

-Razorfold said,

Um a used physical game is completely identical to a new one too...

Just because the box / cd have minor scratches doesn't mean the game has suddenly changed...

The disks do not last forever. Try ordering some off ebay and I'll guarantee you'll get some unusable ones. The price they charge is actually based on how many likely owners before it fails.

Look at it with another product. What if a car stayed brand new no matter how old it was but sold cheaper on the second hand market. Who would ever buy a new one?

Spicoli said,

The disks do not last forever. Try ordering some off ebay and I'll guarantee you'll get some unusable ones. The price they charge is actually based on how many likely owners before it fails.

Look at it with another product. What if a car stayed brand new no matter how old it was but sold cheaper on the second hand market. Who would ever buy a new one?

Part of the Blu-Ray specification is a required "armor coating" developed by TDK. It is damn near impossible to scratch one unless you REALLY try. I still have 7 years old PS3 games I bought at launch that play flawlessly and are still `100% scratch free. The same can not be said for some of my Xbox 360 DVDs But, fortunately for gamers, the Xbox One is using Blu-Ray, and their disks will have the same coating and scratch resistance that Playstation owners have enjoyed for years.

Well Ihow i HOPE it would work. Like I buy a new digital copy of COD and get tired of it I could throw it up on the used marketplace for someone else to buy for a little cheaper maybe even whatever price i want to sell it for and they are willing to buy and MS gets a few dollars. From there you would not be able to resell used digital game. So every new game could be sold ONCE so if you buy a used game your stuck with it but you get to buy it cheaper.

Spicoli said,

It's because the whole idea of a used market is things degrade in value due to wear. A "used" digital game would be completely identical to the new one and the market would saturate very quickly. That means prices would have to go way up.

90% of the cost of physical media is the licence to play the actual game, exactly what the digital version is. As with physical media, the discount is mainly down to the age of the game and how it's not in demand as much.

This is exactly what they should have done from the start.

Digital download games function like they were trying to get everything to function (with the exception that you're able to play them offline!) and disc based games function like they did on 360.

The question for me is whether or not Digital downloads will get a better return rate value than physical copies. If i get say... 30% of the value of a digital game back vs. 15% back when I turn it in to Gamestop or some other retail store, what would that do to the physical sales? Would the developer get a piece of the pie? Etc.

Most big-name games do not have ongoing royalties; the developer gets paid a certain amount for the game and/or DLC and the publisher gets everything else.

Developers that are also their own publisher (e.g. Bethesda) or self-publish directly would of course receive the publisher's equivalent share.

Buying a game new instead of used could help encourage the publisher to have that developer make further games, at least in theory, but there are also many cases of the publisher having a sequel made by an unrelated developer instead.

Well, Stardock wanted to do this back when they had Impulse. MS announced it, and its still viable for digital sales. I'd bet a dollar Valve is testing customer to customer sales infrastructure/system their Steam Cards. I'd be amazed if Sony didn't have something at least planned out.

Platform holders want it. All that remains is getting the publishers onboard.

Actually, the European Union already stated that you should be able to resell Your digital games, so soner or later everyone must make this available, if they want it or not.

http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/up.../pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf

Aparently Valve is looking into game sharing as well.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=595606

Basically the same that Microsoft announced at E3, but I'm guessing everyone will praise Valve, and call Microsoft copycats for this feature as well...

Edit:

Looking at some of the posts in that forum thread confimes my suspicions.

"I don't use steam but it'd be nice for Valve to show MS how to properly let their users share games."

"Oh look, taking a digital copy of a game and giving it MORE freedom.

Are you paying attention Microsoft?"

"Valve is the best. They know exactly what everyone wants and try their best to implement it. "

^^ Silly silly people.

Edited by zicoz, Aug 28 2013, 7:31pm :

This was mentioned by MS as a feature of their digital plans before they decided to remove the DRM aspects on physical media.

They also mentioned after that change that they still planned on bring those digital content features back as soon as they could while leaving physical content as it is.

So the fact that we are hearing hints about these features returning, is not surprising.

If they do this, they will be leading the way for digital media, even better then Steam is today. Its this kind of stuff that I think everyone can get behind. I hope we hear more about it in the near future.

Yeah, but with how blind the tech press was at the E3 event I'm really not that surprised that they now think this is something brand new. Microsofts original plans were amazing, and luckily they're implementing more and more of them again now.

It seems that we'll be getting all the original stuff + offline and no limit on reselling in due time, at which point Sony will have to respond somehow.

trooper11 said,
This was mentioned by MS as a feature of their digital plans before they decided to remove the DRM aspects on physical media.
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Are you MS or do you hear different from the rest of the world? Because MS most certainly DID NOT say that, they said it could be sold or given to ONE PERSON only and then it'd remain with them without the possibility to trade or sell it.

I'm sorry that you missed it, but trading or selling digital titles was mentioned by MS. I don't think it was part of their E3 press event, but there were interviews that pointed to that feature being something they were pursuing.

Your right that they did not lay out a trading/selling system when they went over the online drm stuff. I don't think it was going to be a launch feature regardless. But they did in fact talk about it as part of their plans.

If I have to prove myself, I'll track down original articles, but they are on the internet if you want to look for them.

n_K said,

Are you MS or do you hear different from the rest of the world? Because MS most certainly DID NOT say that, they said it could be sold or given to ONE PERSON only and then it'd remain with them without the possibility to trade or sell it.

There was no distinction between physical and digital, as everything was just digital + DRM. The fact you can resale that copy, and have DRM in the backend to invalidate your installed copy was something that was slated for launch.

Hopefully they just bring back that feature for digital games, and let gamestop turn into a ps4 store.

Alexander Nevrmind said,
That would be a neat feature. However, how much would the developer and MS receive and who would the rates for used digital games?
As long as its comparable to Gamestop, i dont think people will care. If MS forces me to sell it digitally for $39, and I can only keep $5-10, I dont think people would see much of a diff from a local shop.

Honestly I wonder about the wisdom of diminishing physical disc sales. Xbox and Playstation having so much retail shelf space promotes their brands and keeps other companies out of the game industry.

If they do this though I will certainly buy much more digital content.

If they also bring back the 10 person online sharing feature then this will make digital copies a good value over discs.

Sly_Ripper said,
Blu-Rays are really hard to scratch.

I thought Blu-Rays with their really thin coating were really easy to scratch?

Sly_Ripper said,
Blu-Rays are really hard to scratch.

anything scraches, blurays are more expensive if that's what you trying to say. anyways I hate using a used disc

Avatar Roku said,
Honestly I wonder about the wisdom of diminishing physical disc sales. Xbox and Playstation having so much retail shelf space promotes their brands and keeps other companies out of the game industry.

If they do this though I will certainly buy much more digital content.

If they also bring back the 10 person online sharing feature then this will make digital copies a good value over discs.

A lot of gamers like the retail buying experience as well. They can get advice, flip an old title, etc. However, this is limited to dedicated or technical assistive store like Gamestop or BestBuy.

With PC software that has primarily moved to online purchases, several companies still do a good job of having on the shelf visibility with retail copies and digital card purchase promotions.

So even if online becomes 99% of the market, I can see Microsoft and other keeping the branding alive in retail stores and maybe even supporting stores like GameStop as an advertising outlet.