Is Microsoft testing Windows Phone 7 apps on Windows 8?

The Windows 8 Consumer Preview version may now be available to download and try out to the general public, but that doesn't mean Microsoft's Windows 8 team is sitting around. The company is now working on pre-release candidate versions of the OS. Now there's evidence that Microsoft may be testing Windows Phone 7 apps on those pre-release builds of Windows 8.

WMPowerUser.com reports that the app I’m a WP7 has a feature that shows the latest build numbers of the operating system where the app is installed. It appears that the list also includes a build of Windows 8, 6.2.8283.0, that is considered a pre-release candidate version of the OS.

The article also has a link to a web page from Lynx Interactive, which also lists the OS builds that are running its apps; it also happens to show the same Windows 8 build number in that list.

Since that version of Windows 8 is not available to the public, we can only speculate that Microsoft is checking Windows Phone 7 apps on Windows 8 devices in their labs. It's possible that Microsoft could offer a feature in the final shipping version of Windows 8 that would allow all Windows Phone apps to run on the PC OS; that would also instantly boost the number of apps available to be used on Windows 8.

Image via WMPowerUser.com

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You know that mode where you can have a Windows 8 app docked to the left or right side of the screen? I think Windows Phone 7 apps will run that way, just always. That would be cool, and would solve compatibility issues too.

Must be that Microsoft has no idea what they are doing. Probably half of their Employee are hating their job right now.

I would

techguy77 said,
Must be that Microsoft has no idea what they are doing. Probably half of their Employee are hating their job right now.

I would

Condescending Wonka says, "Your argument is very sound and clear; you make very valid and just points.

techguy77 said,
Must be that Microsoft has no idea what they are doing. Probably half of their Employee are hating their job right now.

I would


I'm pretty sure that microsoft employees are happy.

I actually don't think this is a horrible idea. *If* they decided to go this route, they would obviously require a stricter screening process for WP7 apps to make it to the Win8 store. So many apps and games are quite simply crap, but a small percentage are actually very well done and would be OK on the desktop too.

Pretty much final proof Windows 8's Metro is targeted entirely at tablets instead of conventional desktops.

.Neo said,
Pretty much final proof Windows 8's Metro is targeted entirely at tablets instead of conventional desktops.

Nope, just proof that they are leveraging all their technology to make a great product.

rfirth said,

Nope, just proof that they are leveraging all their technology to make a great product.

Yeah because we all know mobile apps will just fit right in on a desktop PC.

.Neo said,
Pretty much final proof Windows 8's Metro is targeted entirely at tablets instead of conventional desktops.

Ya cause running Apps full screen like WP7 does would be crazy on a desktop. We know that nobody would ever user a browser like IE if it is full screen on a desktop.

Oh wait, IE has had a Full screen feature that has used METRO concepts since 1998.

(In IE now? Hit Alt-Enter)

Oh, wait the Alt-Enter thing works for other Applications on the desktop to make them full-screen and have for YEARS.


Here is what people keep forgetting... Most users run a few Applications MAXIMIZED or FULL SCREEN, and don't mess with 'Window moving/placement'.

There are power users that don't do this, and that is why the desktop mode still exists on Windows 8. And we can have the desktop and a 'Metro' Video or whatever on the side of the screen at the same time, with the best of both worlds.

Nobody says word-one when Apple offers the same thing with their iOS devices - universal apps for iPhone and iPad - same thing for Android devices but when Microsoft does it we get three comments within the hour about how stupid this idea is...

I'm with tsi on this one. I absolutely love the idea of having Windows Phone apps available for Windows 8. And as tsi said, most of the Windows Phones app are panoramas so they conform to the landscape aspect ratio of monitors beautifully.

Sranshaft said,
Nobody says word-one when Apple offers the same thing with their iOS devices - universal apps for iPhone and iPad - same thing for Android devices but when Microsoft does it we get three comments within the hour about how stupid this idea is...

There's a key difference: iOS doesn't run on Mac, only on iPhone, iPod and iPad. The same Windows 8 discussed here will also ship for PC.

.Neo said,

There's a key difference: iOS doesn't run on Mac, only on iPhone, iPod and iPad. The same Windows 8 discussed here will also ship for PC.

Sure. But there isn't much difference - size and screen resolution-wise - between an iPad and a Windows 8 tablet. And on a Windows 8 tablet, this would be very nice. Not to mention that this is exactly what the iPad does (as I understand, I don't have one).

.Neo said,

There's a key difference: iOS doesn't run on Mac, only on iPhone, iPod and iPad.

iOS doesn't run on a Mac, yet. Give it an update or two more and I'm sure we'll see iOS come to Mac or at least Universal apps extended to Macs. We already see Apple slowly merging to the two platforms, especially in Mountain Lion.

When Apple port iOS apps to OS X, they don't run "full screen" only, they work like any other desktop windowed apps on OS X.

Metro only work full screen, and my guess is that WP7 apps will only work full screen or in the 25%/75% spllit screen.

Sranshaft said,
Nobody says word-one when Apple offers the same thing with their iOS devices - universal apps for iPhone and iPad - same thing for Android devices but when Microsoft does it we get three comments within the hour about how stupid this idea is...

I'm with tsi on this one. I absolutely love the idea of having Windows Phone apps available for Windows 8. And as tsi said, most of the Windows Phones app are panoramas so they conform to the landscape aspect ratio of monitors beautifully.

And the transition won't be perfect, as developers do strange things... However the WP7 platform and was designed for scalability and flow to move forward, which should help the transition that the iPhone Apps just were not designed to deal with.

Who wants to stretch mobile game on 27" screen on 1920*1080 resolution. That must be the most retarded idea ever. I would understand it if PC didn't have any Application Base, but Windows Phone 7 is a joke compared to PC as far as amount of applications and games out there. I do not understand this mobile mindset coming to Desktop at all.

Actually big majority wp7 apps are Landscape. They are Panoramas. On phone you can just see a part of the panorama screen. You swipe horizontally to see the rest. On a monitor you would see the entire panorama and dont need to swipe. So it might fit nicely on pc monitor on a touch tablet.

techguy77 said,
Who wants to stretch mobile game on 27" screen on 1920*1080 resolution. That must be the most retarded idea ever. I would understand it if PC didn't have any Application Base, but Windows Phone 7 is a joke compared to PC as far as amount of applications and games out there. I do not understand this mobile mindset coming to Desktop at all.

What about tablets, also have you ever played any of the xbox live games on the WP7? I'm quite sure most of them would retain their quality on most screen sizes. There might be a category for big tablet/desktop games.

techguy77 said,
Who wants to stretch mobile game on 27" screen on 1920*1080 resolution. That must be the most retarded idea ever. I would understand it if PC didn't have any Application Base, but Windows Phone 7 is a joke compared to PC as far as amount of applications and games out there. I do not understand this mobile mindset coming to Desktop at all.

You don't understand, Metro apps, both on Windows 8 and Windows Phone, are not like legacy apps. Legacy win32 apps can't scale or scale rather poorly (for example, Steam doesn't respect DPI scaling at all). Metro apps, even if they were to be designed for a mobile screen, can scale up elegantly and will just as good on a 1080p display.

techguy77 said,
Who wants to stretch mobile game on 27" screen on 1920*1080 resolution. That must be the most retarded idea ever. I would understand it if PC didn't have any Application Base, but Windows Phone 7 is a joke compared to PC as far as amount of applications and games out there. I do not understand this mobile mindset coming to Desktop at all.

So you do realize that MOST games scale to the resolution the user selects?

So when playing Wow at 800x600 or 1920x1080 is the same game, and just increases view-ability and quality.

There are going to be bitmap images in games that will need to be upscaled, but that is for simple games.

Games are built on Silverlight (WPF derived) or XNA (DirectX). Both of these are designed around scalability, flowing, vectors, up and down scaling, etc...

Also since we are talking about an advancing platform, with better quality games, it becomes a matter of scaling texture quality and managing FPS.

Wow... Really?

FalseAgent said,

You don't understand, Metro apps, both on Windows 8 and Windows Phone, are not like legacy apps. Legacy win32 apps can't scale or scale rather poorly (for example, Steam doesn't respect DPI scaling at all). Metro apps, even if they were to be designed for a mobile screen, can scale up elegantly and will just as good on a 1080p display.

Side note, if in the scaling if you turn off "XP Scaling" under the custom setting, Vista and Windows 7 will 'force' the Applications to upscale, as it does it through the DWM composer. So if the Application is pixel locked, this will let Windows upscale the entire Application as re-sampled bitmap.

This is not perfect, as it blurs the image slightly, but it is readable and looks good. Many times Aero/DWM can both scale the bitmap sections of the App, and then natively render controls and fonts at the higher resolution even when the App is pixel locked. (Depending on how the Developer implemented the fonts and controls. )

One of our groups had a series of software that they locked the scaling, as the XP method of DPI adjustment just didn't work well for the purpose of the applications that were dealing with pixel calculations on rendering portions of the display. Which left it 'tiny' on high resolution displays under XP.

On Vista or Win7 with the XP Style turned off, they upscale and look great and work perfectly as the pixel calculations are handled and then the result is upscaled by Windows.

This would be great news. I have discussed about this previously.

I honnestly expected this feature to be natively part of Windows 8. Microsoft has the technology to make this a reality and offer a trully integrated experience with all its ecosystems. Visionary I say.

Just what I wanted, a WP7 Metro app running full screen on my non-touch 27" monitor. That's gonna be great!!! Can't wait.

TruckWEB said,
Just what I wanted, a WP7 Metro app running full screen on my non-touch 27" monitor. That's gonna be great!!! Can't wait.

Better to have the option and not use it than to not have it, no?

TruckWEB said,
Just what I wanted, a WP7 Metro app running full screen on my non-touch 27" monitor. That's gonna be great!!! Can't wait.

More likely, you'll just only be able to dock them to the side of your screen.

dagamer34 said,

More likely, you'll just only be able to dock them to the side of your screen.

Actually big majority wp7 apps are Landscape. They are Panoramas. On phone you can just see a part of the panorama screen. You swipe horizontally to see the rest. On a monitor you would see the entire panorama and dont need to swipe. So it might fit nicely on pc monitor on a touch tablet.

tsi said,

Actually big majority wp7 apps are Landscape. They are Panoramas. On phone you can just see a part of the panorama screen. You swipe horizontally to see the rest. On a monitor you would see the entire panorama and dont need to swipe. So it might fit nicely on pc monitor on a touch tablet.

That would break some apps so I don't think it's gonna happen that way.

TruckWEB said,
Just what I wanted, a WP7 Metro app running full screen on my non-touch 27" monitor. That's gonna be great!!! Can't wait.

WP7 apps run on Silverlight. Silverlight like WPF is resolution independent. It's based on vector graphics. It's very likely that it will just scale to fit, and won't look small at all.

TruckWEB said,
Just what I wanted, a WP7 Metro app running full screen on my non-touch 27" monitor. That's gonna be great!!! Can't wait.

If it scales up, what makes the difference? IE9 on WP7 is the same code as the desktop version, it just 'scales' to the screen. So does this mean it shouldn't run on a phone, using your disconnected reasoning?

This is not iPad crap, where the OS is unable to properly scale or format iPhone Apps. Most of WP7 has a lot of sensibility to scalability, and even the static bitmaps can be upscaled rather easily, as Windows Vista/7 have been doing this for high resolution displays with older applications for several years now.

Meph said,
Jupiter? I've heard that codename before from Mary-Jo Foley. I can't remember what she said it was.

If I remember right, Jupiter was the codename for WinRT and/or "Immersive Apps" aka Metro.

rev23dev said,

If I remember right, Jupiter was the codename for WinRT and/or "Immersive Apps" aka Metro.


That sounds right. Thanks. So maybe this is more to do with WinRT being supported in Windows Phone, rather than the other way round?

But either way, this screenshot does not mean that Windows Phone apps are coming to Windows 8. It's already been leaked that Windows Phone 8 will run on the Windows kernel, rather than Windows CE. That is what this screenshot proves.

rev23dev said,
If I remember right, Jupiter was the codename for WinRT and/or "Immersive Apps" aka Metro.

Yup. Also, Jupiter is Apollo's father.

I hope Microsoft does for Windows Phone 8 what it did for Windows 8 and start blogging about features and designs to raise some hype.

Though again mobile OS is very competitive so we might not see anything official from Microsoft except for leaked info....

zikalify said,
Ugh mobile apps on desktop, way to ruin things MS

ruin what exactly if you can play with your mobile games or apps then continue later in your tablet why not ?

UndergroundWire said,

Only if it is optimized.

Yes definitely. I think a lot of us have seen un-optimized apps and how retarded they become

UndergroundWire said,

Only if it is optimized.


Which Microsoft would more than likely have the sense and ability to do. Unlike some other companies...

M_Lyons10 said,

Which Microsoft would more than likely have the sense and ability to do. Unlike some other companies...

Only if it makes sense. Google and Apple have optimized the right apps for their own tablets. With that said, for example: Imagine Microsoft owned foursquare. Does it make sense to optimize that app for tablet? Of course not. That is a location based app. It makes sense it would;d be on a phone and not a tablet sized window.

UndergroundWire said,

Only if it makes sense. Google and Apple have optimized the right apps for their own tablets. With that said, for example: Imagine Microsoft owned foursquare. Does it make sense to optimize that app for tablet? Of course not. That is a location based app. It makes sense it would;d be on a phone and not a tablet sized window.

From the original "only if it is optimized" you are proving to be a bit crazy.

Metro, WP7, Windows8 - really? You think what won't be optimized? The UI will work, as this is how it is designed to coordinate. The performance of a phone app on a computer? Well if the phone can run the ALREADY .NET executable, I imagine any computer would handle it well.

As for location, that is even crazier... All portable computer MOVE around with people. Microsoft has had location services for notebooks going back to 2004, and it is not a standard feature of the Windows 8 API set. So even if the device cannot find its location, you can manually adjust it. (However, even using your home WiFi, it can find where it is in your home rather well based on your public IP, and assumption of your router location as well as a few other tricks.)

Carrying a tablet or even a notebook, that KNOWS where it is, would work with the example you give perfectly.

You also seem to dismiss the convergence where tablets are both a tablet and phone. Bluetooth/speaker,wired headset. In a 7"-10" tablet, this works rather well, especially where people are allowed to switch their SIM.

I have a netbook with integrated SIM from 2006, that I use the location features that you are dismissing as being wrong on a tablet. Really?

Get out more, or be quiet more... Pick one.

thenetavenger said,

From the original "only if it is optimized" you are proving to be a bit crazy..

By optimised, presumably he means UI-wise. Theoretically they could work, but it's not an optimal scenario. The the UI's will have crazy large elements if scaled up, or only take up a small section of the screen - either way they're not making optimal use of the screen, though I suppose that's just like scaling up iOS apps.

Quite a number of better performing and more popular WP apps for performance reasons aren't really designed to readjust themselves for different resolutions either - most of the advice given during the early development days was to use fixed size layouts to try and take pressure off the CPU from having to calculate layout values, especially in virtualized scrolling scenarios.

Edited by ~Johnny, Mar 14 2012, 10:32pm :

thenetavenger said,
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I tend not to read the dribble you write. It is usually long-winded, extremely defensive, and filled with FUD. I am only responding to your first and last sentence here. Quite frankly I hate wasting my precious time reading what you have to say.

The screen size does play a role. If you don't know that you are indeed a foolish person. Are apps designed for Windows Phone designed to the standard of a 24" Monitor? How about the screen orientation? You see why you are foolish now. You wouldn't upscale a dinky app optimized for a 3.5" - 4.5" screen? So please be quiet. You were way too defensive.

Lastly there is a reason why companies don't make an iPad version of an iPhone app. Foursquare was one example. I am not walking around town checking in to places with my iPad. But I will with an iPhone. That was merely an example because unlike you, I don't live under a rock or my parents basement. You choose

Two can place this childish game. I dare you to keep this going.