Is Nintendo killing core gaming?

I know this may seem a little bit overzealous, and maybe the title is a little misleading, but am I the only one who is tired of watching Nintendo's Wii and DS whore out games that are crap at best? Am I the only one tired of having some of the best franchises being dummy downed to the masses? Maybe it's not their fault, as it is, they are just providing the tools for developers to create content. When you create a gaming console that is fun, easy to play and directed at everyone and not just the gaming crowd, they have to share some of the blame don't they?

Remember when being a gamer meant something? It might be cool that your girlfriend plays as much as you do, and she is doing it in tight shorts or naked, but really? If your grandma and your 2 year old niece are playing games too, doesn't the appeal of being called a gamer wear off? Maybe gamers are just evolving, and not all of them have to look like this guy.


Today's Hardcore Gamer

Don't get me wrong, the Wii has some gems, but any real "gamer" has more then just a Wii, if they even have a Wii. I have to mention that I did own a Wii at one time (purchased at launch) and enjoyed it for about two weeks. Zelda was a great game, and there a couple of others on the system (see Mario Galaxy), but how much fun can you actually have with those. People seem to forget that Twilight Princess was a Game Cube game with motion controls thrown into it. Another beef I have is that they LOVE re-releasing games that were out for previous systems with no real sort of enhancements to the game itself. Doesn't it make sense for the Wii to be a great system for first person shooters? Find me one great FPS game that console has. I don't understand why people don't see that it is a gimmick. Is it a coincidence that the top rated games of this generation don't use full motion control? The biggest kick in the groin, in my opinion, is when they release a game that doesn't even take advantage of the controls. One of the Wii's top selling and highest rated games, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, doesn't even include motion controls. So why buy this when you can get the last iteration for Nintendo Game Cube for cheaper? And why should gaming be hard work? If someone has been gone all day at work or school, do you really want to come home and prance around like an idiot just to play a video game?

People are currently complaining about the difficulty of the controls in THQ's UFC 2009 Undisputed. Do people not have patience anymore? Not all games need to have the "hit the A and B buttons do to EVERYTHING" mentality. When was the last time you actually played a game that required a lot of hard work that felt fulfilling? Not all titles need to be necessary difficult either. Games can still be easy to pick up, but what I am looking for is some depth (look at Capcom's amazing Street Fighter 4 title). If you put in the time, the game is really rewarding, but if you don't feel like it, you can still pick it up and play it for a quick session. This game is also doing very well on the sales chart as well, because as time passes, fighting games are going to be looked at as a "niche" category. Virtua Fighter 5 and Soul Calibur IV sales were both mediocre compared to it's last titles and are both very good games.


Capcom's Street Fighter 4, one of the best of the year thus far

What about other popular titles? Activision's Guitar Hero is the new aged Dance Dance Revolution, and somehow it's destroying the sales charts. All you are doing is listening to music and hitting a button in sync with a screen (or whatever instrument you happen to be using). I thought good games had stories, complex elements, art, dialog and a point. You know, not an over glorified cell phone game. They should be something you have to work at with a sense of accomplishment once you finally get the hang of things. Activision is worst then EA when it comes to abuse of its licenses. Their are currently (I am sure by the time you are done reading this article, Def Leopard, Rolling Stones and Ozzy Osborne have all come out with their own versions) six different Guitar Hero games in the span of about three years, and they are for every single thing with a screen you can imagine. The biggest question I have to ask is what is the difference between them?

The worst part about this motion sensory nonsense is that Sony and Microsoft are following suit. Sony did a quick 180 and put motion control in the six-axis controllers, and Microsoft is now rumoured to comes out with a motion controller. Can you blame them? Nintendo has more money coming in then anyone could ever imagine. SCEA hardware marketing boss John Koller even said "We're moving on now... to look at softer brands that maybe we had with PS2 franchises. There's certainly a line-up of very strong family-friendly titles that we're looking at for PS3 in our continuing effort to appeal to that casual consumer." Sony, what happened? You guys used to be THE system for the gamer crowd, keep working at it, don't sellout now. Former Xbox boss Peter Moore even said that they are moving in the same direction: "I think they're doing that [introducing motion control] and I think Sony are probably the same."


Could this be Microsoft new motion control system?

I am tired of living in a world where the simplest games are absolutely murdering sales charts. Wii Sports shouldn't be the best selling of all time, that's just not right. I want a real Donkey Kong game, not one where you bang on drums. Us gamers can only keep looking for so long.


I would like to add that I have nothing against female gamers. I have gotten wrecked in Mario Kart by my ex once upon a time.

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While this article is whiny & elitist .... I do agree with some of it.
While for gaming to expand it's reach to end users is generally a good thing... I'm beginning to wonder if the market will reach a saturation point where all developers will chase after the casual gamer (due to sheer volume of sales) instead of releasing any games for the "more-than casual" player. ie: no more FPS, RPG, RTS, etc. Just mountains of Wii-Fit 2099, Rock Band Senior Citizen Special Gray Edition, etc, flooding the market. Yeah, if it ever gets to that point, I pray for another Hard Crash to end the misery once and for all.

K.I.S.S. is ruling the market.

(KISS = keep it single stupid, or keep it single, stupid!).

But for most people (childs and teens) they don't like simple games, instead they love those complex game (hit A+B then do a hadouken and press C twice). Luckily, non-hardcore gamers have the money, power and influence to buy games and to decide which games will be a best selling and which not.


(simple and cute yet addictive).

Magallanes said,
K.I.S.S. is ruling the market.

(KISS = keep it single stupid, or keep it single, stupid!).


you mean keep it simple stupid ?

imho, complicated games are complicated because of the limitations of the system, and they had to keep people hooked on the game somehow

now that we have a control scheme that matches our normal everyday movements more closely, gamers can feel engaged without needing to resort to unravelling obfuscated and abstract experiences to have a good time

The author quite simply is frustrated that Nintendo has been so successful because it isn't his console of choice.

Sony has lost. Pack it up, go home. Take it like a man.

"People are currently complaining about the difficulty of the controls in THQ's UFC 2009 Undisputed. Do people not have patience anymore? Not all games need to have the "hit the A and B buttons do to EVERYTHING" mentality."

This part strikes me.

Why did you use anymore ? Games used to be simple. Not complicated. I used to be an hardcore gamer. But now i'm in the mid 30 and with families, car to pay and such i honestly don't have the time anymore.

I find games these days to be far more complicated than what they used to be. Games back in the 80ties and 90ties was simple and their goal was to be fun. Atari 2600, NES, SNES, Genesis, etc ... games was for the most part boot and play. Nothing to configure. No learning curve. Boot the games and lets have some fun.

Now i find myself spending more and more time to configure the control, the game, learn how to play and when i come back to a game after couple of weeks off i need to learn that all over again.

I don't say all games should be simple. I loved Ultima when iw as young. But lets be honest Nintendo fill a gap that NEEDS to be filled. Not all games need to be 3p4c. Not all games need to be hardcore with people calling others n00b.

One of the games i loved the most lately was Guild Wars. It was simple. Fun. The community was awesome.

You know what kills core gaming? Not selling consoles. Imagine what "core gaming" could be if instead of the Wii which is a glorified gamecube, it had been the 360 or the ps3 that had embraced the whole "gaming for everyone" market.


nintendo will never be able to beat Sony that's why we have the wii now, nintendo knows they will never be able to beat Sony in they continue to play the same game with them.

Ok, Sony employee, go look at the sales figures and then come back and tell us how your 10-year plan will ever even touch Nintendo.

We won't hold our breath.

I thought good games had stories, complex elements, art, dialog and a point.

You mean like Tetris? One of the most popular games ever?

Or, going pre-electronic, Checkers? Soccer?

What a stupid, poorly written article. "Worst then"? Really?
Games should be FUN. That is the important thing.

This article misses in every way. Is there a way to vote this into the trash? How do I vote this article a 1?


Good article. I agree at most things.

I'd like to mention that Guitar Hero really does need a lot of skill to master. It's not as simple as you put it. I however, do agree that all the releases with just different bands are kinda annoying and hard to keep track of.


Nintendo was never hardcore actually, nintendo has always been considered the kiddie,cheap and casual part of gaming it all dates back to Sega Genesis days.

lol, my posts were deleted twice. guess people cant critize on this forum anymore. too many kiddy mods delete stuff that offends them. grow up mods.

Ah yes. Yet another "mature" gamer suffering from WOW syndrome.

"I'm so l333t!!!1 Wii for kiddies LOL !111

It's hardly Nintendo's fault that 3rd party devs are pumping out shovelware.

ahhell said,
Ah yes. Yet another "mature" gamer suffering from WOW syndrome.

"I'm so l333t!!!1 Wii for kiddies LOL !111

It's hardly Nintendo's fault that 3rd party devs are pumping out shovelware.

Nintendo has full control over what gets released on their systems and could implement some QC like they used to. I think they allow all this crap through because if it wasn't for the crap, barely anything would get released. Their 1st party creativity is just about used up IMO. Nintendo is going to find themselves in trouble in the coming years if they don't get major publishers on board next time around.

Remember when being a gamer meant something?

Strangely, no I don't, and I'm forty years of age. I do, however, remember the emergence of the crowd who went from seeing games as just fun activities for all, to seeing them as some sort of elite activities that were designed solely for them.

When I was a young teenager, my parents regularly played on our ol' Activision console, etc. in the evenings, and I grew up in a pub where I couldn't get to the table-top asteroids because those cursed old people were so hooked on it. So please, spare us the "we're not special any more" speech. You never were in any place but your own imaginations.

What is it they say - youth is wasted on the young. I think this article proves that point. Even with youth, they still find something to whinge about, even when it exists only in their own sphere of imagination.

Gaming hasn't changed, you're just growing up and missing your youth. Live with it.

I am tired of living in a world where the simplest games are absolutely murdering sales charts.

Wait until you get to the age where you grow as tired of people whinging when, in reality, they have stuff all to whinge about. You are seriously miffed because games that you don't approve of are proving popular? Oh please....

No that's not why i don't "approve." It's just because these simple games do really well, it'll give the developers the notion that making simple, mediocre games is okay...

Games like Metal Gear, Halo, Bioshock, Dawn of War etc. should be the top sellers because games like those push the limits. If developers see that that is what they are up against, they are going to try hard to make games which that quality is on par or greater then those. That is how I think the gaming industry should be evolving.

These 'simple' games have always existed long before the Wii...along with hardcore games. Peggle one of the most simplest games out there and one of the most popular games in general. And take a look at how the iPhone games have taken off...because they're simple and and accessible to everyone.

If all you want is Metal Gear, Halo, Bioshock, Dawn of War etc. then gaming would never evolve and gaming population would not grow since those kinds of games appeal to a very specific market...a small market in overall gaming world.

Convoluted control schemes and killing things does not make a good game, nor it evolves gaming.

rajputwarrior said,
Games like Metal Gear, Halo, Bioshock, Dawn of War etc. should be the top sellers because games like those push the limits. If developers see that that is what they are up against, they are going to try hard to make games which that quality is on par or greater then those. That is how I think the gaming industry should be evolving.

I dont like any of the games you have listed, and I dont think I have ever seen any of my friends play them so how should they be the best sellers, when on the other hand with Wii Sports, near enough everyone I know has had a bash at some point with it, and thoroughly enjoyed it.Gaming is meant to be fun which is what the Nintendo bring you.Games where its the same old futuristic crap with laser guns etc and super duper body armour just annoy me.Ive been gaming since I got my first Amiga 600+ and I think now people are so spoilt for choice n what they want to play its unreal.
I dont think I know anyone who has bought a Wii to be used as a hardcore gaming machine, it has been bought for fun and fun only.If you want a "core" gaming console you go for a 360 or PS3, and if your real hardcore you spend a fortune building a gaming rig and use that.Dont slate the Wii for not filling your requirements when imo, frm the get go it has never targetted that market, hence why Wii Sports, such a simple game is bundled with the console.

Gamers, if you don't like it you need to dedicate a ton of your time to telling other people you don't like it. If you try hard enough maybe you can convince other people to not like it as well?

I'm not sure there's any other hobbies out there where people spend as much time discussing how much they hate the competition/competing products in comparison to those that they like.

Just saying :P

And no, Nintendo is not killing core gaming, not at all. Nintendo is making their own market demographic happy. 360 and PS3 fans just get butthurt about this because their console isn't selling as much and that damages their ability to justify their console purchase(s) to random strangers. Online strangers of course, because in the real world no one gives jack **** about what you purchase :P

the problem is most companies make games following a predetermined path. That's why even now we have lots of Guitar Hero clones which is a Guitar Freaks clone.

Innovation without innovative ideas will only bring half assed games. Look at the PC market and how it easily died when everything turn into a Wolfestein 3D clone or a Populous clone.

And just the fact that you decided to put a giant screenshot of Street Fighter means you don't want change, and for that there's always the xbox360 or to a lesser extent the PS3.

I do wish all companies were hiring better programmers because most Wii games outside of japanese companies are pretty bad.

The sad part of your rant is the "Wii Sports shouldn't be the best selling of all time, that's just not right." Sadly you probably want Grand theft Auto to own the title, but the mayority speaks. And the game comes INCLUDED with the Wii, another idea that propelled motion gaming to rule above the rest, the same way Super Mario Bros made the gamepad the DEFACTO method of gaming for decades...

So I see you complaining that motion control is a gimmick (not so IMO, it's the next step to virtual reality) and then complaining that a bunch of games don't take advantage of it. Which would be a good thing if it's a gimmick. Make up your mind?

I am tired of living in a world where the simplest games are absolutely murdering sales charts

Well, you can either do something about it or try to move on. How sales charts imapct your life is beyond me. Spend your money how you want and let others do the same.

To each their own.

And the world keeps spinnin'.

Activision is worst then EA when it comes to abuse its licenses.


Can you please tell me how that even makes sense? Regardless of your point being valid or invalid I think the first thing you should do before trying to make it is to make sure that it all actually makes sense.

When did writing an editorial become so important that it couldn't wait to be proof read before it is published? I don't know how many "editorials" I have read recently that seemed as if they were first written on a the back of a beer mat then given to a chimp to reproduce and publish.

I'm not one to usually bash the staff for grammar and such, but your point is quite valid. I take the time to reread my comments. If I wrote anything that long, it would have at least been reread five times, not counting the times I reread each paragraph individually after typing it.

I don't mind small grammatical errors, but when the sentence requires me to reread it just to understand it, it really makes me wonder...

We still love you though, Garrett. :P

okay my bad, i forgot a "of" before "its".... forgive me ?:( Its hard proof reading your own work and when you ask for help and don't receive any, their is only so much you can do....

edit: fixed, thanks guys

you said

And why should gaming be hard work? If someone has been gone all day at work or school, do you really want to come home and prance around like an idiot just to play a video game?

People are currently complaining about the difficulty of the controls in THQ's UFC 2009 Undisputed. Do people not have patience anymore? Not all games need to have the "hit the A and B buttons do to EVERYTHING" mentality. When was the last time you actually played a game that required a lot of hard work that felt fulfilling?

now i might be taking you abit out of context, but didnt you just contradict yourself?

sorry, i should have clarified that. I mean like physical labour. LIke dancing around, waving your arms feet etc. just to play a wii game.

Sorry for the confusion

Friends of mine don't exactly have a problem with the motion controls. As I've previously stated though, it's the aiming crap at the television, trying to get it to pick up on you aiming it at the TV. That's where the frustration sits in. Games should require skill within the game, not fumbling with your controller just trying to get it to function as it was intended.

This is stupid.

I'm not sorry for being blunt, because the author himself admitted that the title was BS.
I don't know what a "core gamer" is supposed to be, but I consider myself a gamer even though I have a life outside of video games. I only own a Wii. I purchased good games for the Wii, and played those: Zelda, Metroid Prime, Zack and Wiki, etc. I don't beat them in a week, because as I said I have a life outside of gaming.

Doesn't it make sense for the Wii to be a great system for first person shooters? Find me one great FPS game that console has. I don't understand why people don't see that it is a gimmick.
And why should gaming be hard work? If someone has been gone all day at work or school, do you really want to come home and prance around like an idiot just to play a video game?
this motion sensory nonsense

Are you kidding me? You're angry at Nintendo for innovating in technology poised to take gaming a leap forward? Yes, it makes sense for the Wii to be a great system for FPSes. That's why Metroid Prime is great, and to me nothing feels as satisfyingly accurate as shooting an arrow in Twilight Princess. This is why those who've had a hands-on with the upcoming Conduit are praising the controls. Are you saying that because 3rd parties have not invested in making their good games for the Wii, that the system doesn't offer the best natural interface for point-and-shoot? Are you saying that I should go muck about with dual analog sticks so I can be a part of the "frustratingly difficult game in-club" and feel better about myself?

The immersion presented with motion control is a step forward. I don't know what this "hard work" is you speak of. Wii Sports is more fun when you actually stand up like you're playing the sport, but that does not mean that any game requires you to "flail around" and get tired. As a matter of fact, splitting the controller in two lets me be much more laid back than any other setup I've played. I don't get it, when accelerometers were added to our phones and put to great use, I didn't even hear crotchety old men speak of "motion sensory nonsense gimmick". Wow.


Nintendo isn't killing whatever you think "core gaming" is. Nintendo is making sure that we still have gamers in the future, since all of the current people who grew up on the SNES and N64 now only want to play Gears of War. Nintendo is making sure that everyone still has an appropriate fun experience, and not just make games that keep kids from becoming involved. As inexperienced gamers develop, they get to go buy stuff like MadWorld and the Conduit.

You sound like Nintendo stole your candy. I'm getting really tired of these inane Neowin editorials. The surge in hits from publishing a stupid title can't be worth the loss of respect that follows.

I believe he's talking about how third party developers seem to have a tougher time implementing proper motion controls for shooter games. It's like, if the motion controls for third party games are going to be that bad, why not just use a regular controller? Further, why develop a game on a system that doesn't allow you to do what you want with your game? I believe Nintendo has tried to help devs in doing the motion control better, but overall, it seems that all those great FPS titles we imagined are lost due to the fact that it's apparently easier, and maybe more fun, to create a world on the PC, PS3, and 360 in which has many aspects of realism in terms of graphics and gameplay. So what if you have to hit buttons? It's better than getting ****ed trying to get your Wiimote to function properly... Where's the fun in being frustrated?

Nintendo's first party titles are wonderful, no doubt about it. However, I'd like to play something more than endless sequels, and that's where Nintendo fails. More decent third party games please!

Doesn't matter though, since they're making money I guess. Just don't expect me to sit around ready to jump on the next thing Nintendo releases...

a "core" gamer is a "hardcore" gamer. The term used by Microsoft so they don't refer to their installed base as geeks, as we were considered for decades.

Now preteens call themselves "hardcore" and want to follow a career in "professional gaming" and stuff like that. We are too old for that term, so we're still geeks.

Look, times are changing, get used to it. The gaming environment is changing, Nintendo isn't killing anything they brought gaming down a bit to bring it to the masses. I feel thankful that I am not the only "gamer" in my group of friends anymore. Gaming is forever changing for the better

Don't buy the crappy games. It's not like the PS3 and 360 don't have crappy games, too; they're just harder to spot because they look as "shiny" as the good ones. I'll take another iteration of Zelda or Boom Blox over something like Bioshock any day. I also own every FPS that Valve and Id have ever made and play WoW on a daily basis. Does the fact that I don't want one of the hi-res consoles mean I'm not a gamer?

Yes Dead Cell but that's not Nintendo's fault. Nintendo makes excellent games for Wii. So far, any game made by a third party that I have tried has been a miserable failure.

C_Guy said,
Yes Dead Cell but that's not Nintendo's fault. Nintendo makes excellent games for Wii. So far, any game made by a third party that I have tried has been a miserable failure.


nintendo gives the game a seal of approval though..so in a way it is their fault. All the publisher give final approval for a game on their system and Nintendo coudl easily say enough i'm freaking tired of barbie pony princess games yet they don't.

My thinking is this: Why are the Nintendo games so much better than the third parties? I mean, that is seriously NOT the case with any other system other than the Wii. I really feel like Nintendo isn't doing their job to provide a quality development of third party titles.

While some may argue that it is not their place, consider this: The PS3 isn't an easy console to develop for, but given time and energy, titles can truly shine given the opportunity. With the Wii, it seems that developers work hard to provide quality, but can never get it close compared to Nintendo's first party titles... This really drives some speculation, at least for me, that Nintendo must be holding [/i]something[/i] back... I mean, it shouldn't be "because they know their console better" that their games are better, but that everyone should be entitled to the same tools to develop their games.

I dunno. Maybe I'm totally wrong about them. Still, based on what I've seen, this is how I feel about it, especially after reading about Nintendo having to work to help third party developers. It really makes me feel that they're knowingly holding back helpful information and/or tools.

I love my Wii for casual and party gaming.
Get a bunch of mates (boys/girls, children/adults/OAPs) round and break out the Wii and suddenly everyone's involved, break out the PS/XBOX/PC and straight away your a social leper with a house full of bored friends.
I love my PC (and occasionally XBOX) for more hardcore gaming such as FPS and strategy.
Each system has it's advantages and disadvantages.

One thing that does bug me is that if i haven't played a technical Wii game for a while i have to read the instructions on how to control it again.

P.S. on a side note i was just watching Saturday morning TV (Saturday Kitchen) and one of the chefs said f**k!
oops-a-daisy!!!!

I hate this sentiment that gaming is some sort of exclusive club reserved for people who have enough free time and interest to **** away their time all day every day playing video games. Please, accessibility has increased over the years and that hasn't really changed all that much. You might have been oblivious to it prior to the Wii but games have expanded their target audience. I really don't understand why everyone thinks this is such a bad thing. They still make games for the "hardcore". What's the issue here? Too many people join your club?

I hate self-proclaimed gamers so much.

Remember when being a gamer meant something?.. If your grandma and your 2 year old niece are playing games too, doesn't the appeal of being called a gamer wear off?

Yeah, this is absolutely the stupidest thing I've seen, and I can only that it was written in trolling, and that the author doesn't actually feel this way.
First of all, there was never "appeal" in being called a gamer, especially when larger society is looking at you like social outcasts. The "appeal" was in the fun derived from playing the games themselves, as well as the fulfillment and satisfaction derived from getting good at it and eventually beating it.
Secondly, who gives a crap if someone else enjoys having fun using the same tools that you do? Is your girlfriend supposed to only be allowed to play Snake on her phone, and leave your precious console alone? If anything, the fact that I can buy _one_ system and then purchase a game that I will love, another that my nephew will love, one that my girlfriend will love and another that my Mom will love is --excellent--. I shouldn't need multiple systems for that.

Has no1 ever thought that you can have more than one console?! I have a 360 and a Wii, if I want to play a half decent game with good graphics myself, then I play the 360.If Ive had a few jars or if there are friends coming over then I get the Wii out.simple.
The hardcore gamers will always be there, always complaining, and comparing 3dmark tests as if that somehow makes you more of a man/woman, when it really just screams out sad and you have no life.
The amount of times in the past where I have went over to a mates, or vice versa, and you spend hours just sitting there watching your mate play a game, waiting for your turn, for them to do the exact same, is pretty sad, but that's what being a teenager was all about for me.There are obviously quite a few exceptions to that rule, but with the Wii, the games I play there is a 95% chance that it is a multiplayer of upto 4 people that we can all play and enjoy.I played Rock Band for the first time last week and even though I had hated it before, I was drunk and thoroughly enjoyed it.Family occasions now involve bringing your own booze, and a Wiimote with you, for the whole family to play, and for that, Nintendo has done a great job.

The Wii does have the potential to be more hardcore than it is now, but why not try and make as much cash as possible in the current financial climate. Sony flaunted thir success in the face of every gamer and developer, so why shouldn't Nintendo capitalise on what Sony failed to do?
As far as this article is concerned, it is very biased and a little childish at best. Interesting read though, but I stand by my judgemental view!

Anyone serious about their gaming addiction owns every platform which they can afford and will play most any game that interests them in the least.

As with any form of media or art, if you are putting yourself into a little box and only experiencing one subset or genre or facet of your passion then you are only cheating yourself. You only get one life...might as well spend it trying something new and interesting every single day that you draw breath.

To think that someone can't enjoy shooting dudes and matching gems and everything in-between is quite ignorant and shallow minded.

I've been trying to get my grandma and my mom to play games since Super Mario Bros. so don't you dare yank the controller out of their hands now that they are finally playing something just because it's some game that you don't care for. Be happy that they are playing at all you fool.

i Have been a Wii supporter since they came out and the party games last well but looking for new games forget it, they are all crap.

Waiting for Wii Sports 2...

I don't think Nintendo is killing core gamers, just its own brand being associated with it. I think nintendo has been clever, its avoided being the next sega by appealing to the VERY casual gaming crowd. I wonder just how many of its sales though are based on family gatherings where it gets used as a party piece motivating the attendies to buy one based on that experiance. I don't think this is a bad thing per say, but you do wonder if there will come a point where nintendo is 'found out', people will become bored and move on, if Nintendo does not have a answer with its next console then it could be back to N64 cash flows.

The appeal of nintendo games always seems to be very short, take wii fit for example. Once you had done the excercise routines a couple of times, what was there to keep you going back? It was over very quickly for a game aimed at helping you stay motivated for excersie over the long term. Yet again lots of sales of £69 balance boards that are now mostly gathering dust. I purchased a wii after launch but never found anything I wanted to buy for it, so mainly played wii sports. Playing wii sports made me realise that the motion controls are very basic (for moves such as swings, etc) and that really the console was almost playing the game for you, this made me think most of the motion control games would be the same. The upgrade to the controller kinda confirms this.

This year I got a xbox 360 and have been far more impressed by it, the wii just does not have the equivalent for Fallout 3, etc. So now the wii is next to the TV but certainly not connected.

toadeater said,
The Xbox, PS3, and EA have already killed core gaming.

If you throw Ubisoft in there I'll agree with you.

I simply dislike Nintendo in general for the overall crap they serve us today. I didn't buy the Wii because all I saw was a repackaged GameCube with a new controller. Was I really that far off? Not really. As others have stated, only a few titles successfully make use of the motion control. Many times, it's very very annoying and overall hideous if you're given the opportunity to use the GameCube controller. (Using GC controller on the repackaged GC, hah)

Seeing as my GC collected dust after playing through the few decent games for it, and waiting forever for a non-cartoon Zelda, it seems the same has happened to others who've purchased the Wii. It sits collecting dust until Nintendo releases an awesome game for the virtual console...

For the casual gamers, I'm glad you guys can enjoy yourselves. Forgive me for wanting things to be as they were back in the good ol' NES / SNES days... when RPGs were actually in existence for the Nintendo console. I suppose at the very least, I can thank Nintendo for not totally screwing up their handheld market.

One word can sum up this review... GARBAGE.

It's obvious you hate the Wii, but if you look at numbers the console still appears to be outselling all the others... that has to count for something. The console is not just a gimmick otherwise sales would have dropped off shortly after launch.

It may be true that some game developers are pushing out crap for the Wii, but there are still some cool games on it. Let's not forget the older console games you can pick up on virtual console.

BTW. In the console realm. I only have a Wii. Does that make mean I am not a "real" gamer. I have owned most of the consoles that have come out. Coleco, Odyssey, Atari, Atari 2600, NES, SNES, Gameboy, SEGA Genesis, PS1, PS2, and Wii. I haven't bothered with the newer consoles. I am 30 now and I don't see a reason to spend $60 for a game that will probably be played through one time and then sit on the shelf.

Second that, but I am old school. I don't like the Wii either but its a personal preference. The Wii is the classic example of a Toy console, it hit the market the PS2 had at the end of its lifetime. Whereas the PS3 and 360 fill the void for people that want a bit of substance. I have been gaming since the SNES my dad got when I wasn't even old enough to understand the concept of a game. After that I played my cousins Sega Megadrive (we had no money in those days) then one Christmas my father got me a PlayStation. From then on I have progressively played different and seemingly more challenging games. If a game gets too easy or repetitive I simply lose focus. Prince of Persia was my most recent example of this, a terrible game.

I was going to mention that in my article, the latest iteration of the Prince of Persia game is just too easy. You can't die... While having immortality is awesome, but shouldn't the player be punished for making mistakes?

+10 to Zenpirate

Rename the article to : Let me have a whinge about why i am not the target audience of nintendo anymore.

Motion Sensor is going to be the next big thing for consoles. They will get more complex making the gaming experience more realistic and personal. It's inevitable.
Your personal rant could have been delivered more favorably if you didn't add the "stomping my feet and gonna cry" attitude to your article.

Oh please. Motion sensing for the Wii blows ass. What's worse is now they have that addon that makes it "better", but in the end, you're just paying for another damn accessory that will most likely be required by newer games, as one game is already doing so. I seem to remember the same bullsh-- with the N64 and the "expansion card" that was sold at a later date.

I think many people know the frustration when the moment comes up for you to aim the controller at the TV. Goes something like, "FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU..."

I don't necessarily agree that motion sensing can make the games more personal. You can easily argue the opposite that motion sensing just intrudes in the overall gaming experience.

One of my biggest quarrels is why use motion controls if you don't have to? If it isn't done right why bother? Nintendo has even realized this and that is why their big games don't really have full blown motion control (Zelda, Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Brothers etc).

Motion controls should compliment the game, not BE the game.

@rajputwarrior

Yesyesyesyes thank you, if motion enhances a game then use it, if it doesn't then don't just stick it in for the hell of it.
I never play PES on the Wii for that reason.

wow people just because you don't agree with the article doesn't mean it isn't vaild. He made alot of good points. The Wii is a sign of everything about how we are these days...OMG it's too hard plz dumb it down, dumb down gaming, dumb down this, take your pick.

i kinda agree in some ways, alot of my gamer friends i grew up with laugh at the Wii, but i guess there is that market of people who want easy gaming who will go for it, the casual gamer..

If I could afford th4e Wii, I'd buy it. And probably nothing but Raving Rabbids :P ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Surely the only thing that's going to kill core gaming... is if these so called core gamers... stop playing thier sacred games.

The Wii has very intentionally targetted everyone, and not just core gamers. My 3 yr old nephew likes playing the Wii... My mom likes playing the wii..... it sells consoles... it sells games. It's great if you have (real) friends over. It's great when you've had one.... or ten.... too many vodkas... Isn't the point of a game that the end user enjoys it? Does it matter if the precious gamers like to park thier behinds on the couch and twiddle thier fingers, while others prefer to stand up and throw themselves about the room?

It's made playing computer games more accessible to more people... who cares if if Microsoft and Sony were too busy lickin the genitals of gamers to exploit this area of the market.

Right, because everyone likes the same games. Obviously, only one without friends would make that assumption. But hey, if you want to criticize your friends for what kind of games they play, have fun playing with yourself.

Especially because it simply fails to define core gaming and what gaming in essence is all about. Gaming is about simply having fun, not about using your math degree to solve a puzzle after which you need your degree in science to solve the next puzzle. It's about simplicity, no need to think about thinks. It's about relaxing yourself and your mind. It is also a very social thing. You need to know these things to be able to write a good article on gaming, especially if you're comparing hard core gaming with gaming.

The reason why every console has great games and sells great is because there are a lot of people who like gaming without having to have a degree on something as well as people who do like games where you need skills and knowledge to complete the levels. I don't think there is another way of explaining all those sales figures. It is also not something you should ignore when writing such an article. If stuff really is crap it wouldn't sell as good as it does.

Also, not every game lents itself for specific controls like the Wii or the Playstation does. Flightsims are mostly a PC-thing because of that (just to name something).

So yes, the article is pretty biased and leaves out a lot of the "why?", but then again..it does seem to start off quite a discussion in the comments section which might be the intention of the article.

I play 8 Races of Mario Kart with my housemates 2-3 times a day. I think it's fun (regardless of how much whether you win or lose is out of your hands).

QFT!!!! This article was so stupid...it is just one big complaint article.

I could have written the same exact thing about PC gaming and how PC gaming is going to shame. But then I just came to the realization that I'm not in my teenage years with limitless time anymore. I'm 25 and only a year or so from starting a real career with no great amount of time to play games anymore.

I think the person who wrote this article needs to realize that he also is not in his hardcore-gamer years anymore.

A hardcore gamer doesn't need to be a specific age. I believe a game with an actual story plot, perhaps well told, with decent graphics and gameplay seem to be all we want in a game. Unfortunately, Wii lacks graphics, has many games that are utterly repulsive with their motion control which makes it harder to like the "better games", and contain many sequels from games that first started out in the 80's.

Nintendo isn't killing core gaming. Nintendo did the one brilliant thing they could have done this generation. They went after "everyone else" to buy their product. Sony and Microsoft both have their heads buried so far up the "hardcore gamer's" arse they failed to recognize the potential market all around them, and that market is huge. They won't get that market, however, and all they are going to do is embarrass themselves if they try to add gimmicks to their systems to pretend to be like Nintendo. They wanted the hardcore demographic, and they won it fair and square. They should be happy with it.

ZenPirate said,
Nintendo isn't killing core gaming. Nintendo did the one brilliant thing they could have done this generation. They went after "everyone else" to buy their product. Sony and Microsoft both have their heads buried so far up the "hardcore gamer's" arse they failed to recognize the potential market all around them, and that market is huge. They won't get that market, however, and all they are going to do is embarrass themselves if they try to add gimmicks to their systems to pretend to be like Nintendo. They wanted the hardcore demographic, and they won it fair and square. They should be happy with it.

Game developers will see that the demographic that Nintendo went after would buy a crappy game than the demographic that Microsoft and Sony are after.

So what do you do? Develop a crappy game to where it sells, Nintendo; and good quality games are sent to the scrapyard.

ZenPirate said,
Nintendo isn't killing core gaming. Nintendo did the one brilliant thing they could have done this generation. They went after "everyone else" to buy their product. Sony and Microsoft both have their heads buried so far up the "hardcore gamer's" arse they failed to recognize the potential market all around them, and that market is huge. They won't get that market, however, and all they are going to do is embarrass themselves if they try to add gimmicks to their systems to pretend to be like Nintendo. They wanted the hardcore demographic, and they won it fair and square. They should be happy with it.

They are indirectly responsible, they did the whole casual gamer thing and because it took off everyone else went "me too" and keep churning out these mini game titles that cost as much as a full game.

I wouldnt go as far as saying Nintendo killed core gaming but they are a major part of the reason why.

Hardcore gamers are ruining gaming. They're always flinging their poo around every time a game is made that is oriented around casual players ignoring the plethora of games geared toward hardcore players.

Solid Knight said,
Hardcore gamers are ruining gaming. They're always flinging their poo around every time a game is made that is oriented around casual players ignoring the plethora of games geared toward hardcore players.

Hardcore games are few and far between and even then developers that you would consider hardcore are introducing more casual elements into their games. Hardcore gamers moaning that there are no hardcore games doesnt ruin gaming, developers making casual games for casual game players does ruin gaming......

Only if you're such an elitist that you think the only games worth playing are the time-sinks that are hardcore games. If your free time is scare because you might have a job or go to college or both then these so-called casual games are major improvement.

However, I don't agree with your premise that hardcore games have become fewer and far between. I'd argue that "casual" games have increased whilst "hardcore" games have stayed the same.

ZenPirate said,
Nintendo isn't killing core gaming. Nintendo did the one brilliant thing they could have done this generation. They went after "everyone else" to buy their product. Sony and Microsoft both have their heads buried so far up the "hardcore gamer's" arse they failed to recognize the potential market all around them, and that market is huge. They won't get that market, however, and all they are going to do is embarrass themselves if they try to add gimmicks to their systems to pretend to be like Nintendo. They wanted the hardcore demographic, and they won it fair and square. They should be happy with it.


The problem is defining "core gamer". There isn't a good definition.

I like JRPGs, but my interest in shooters wanted after the last of the witty, obscene Build engine games. Am I being engaged? Not really. I own a PS2 and am not feeling any major need to get a newer console. I'm asking myself "will Oblivion work on 64-bit Vista", as my next gaming selection (once I finally get done with Persona 4 once and for all)

How is Wii sports the best selling game of all time? Its given free in US and Europe and only sold in Japan, where is sold about 5-ish million.

Btw, Punch-Out came out this week...damn awesome game

Yeah it's absolutely idiotic to call Wii Sports the best selling game...but it's partly the fault of sites like IGN, GameSpot and Eurogamer for reporting it like that, without making it abundantly clear that every Wii owner has bought Wii Sports whether they wanted to or not

it is a great game, I'm surprised a lot of people demand that the game needs an ending, guess they were born yesterday. Imagine if they heard that during the SNES era a lot of games had multiple endings...

Funny enough, all the people I know that bought a Wii, liked the Wii sports so much it is the only thing they play. They never bought any other games.


The voice in that video gave me headache. I don't know if he was complaining, trying to be sarcastic, funny or what...

I hate people on the internet, most of the time they sound stubborn and pretentious, no matter what they're saying.

Like me right now.

warwagon said,
"No matter how hard you try, you'll never finish contra without cheating!!" So True!!!

Contra was easy. Super Contra; that one just hurts :(. Like 10x harder.

I beat Super Contra and Contra: Hard Corps, mind you it took me about 6 months to win. Much like trying to finish Halo PC on Legendary.

NeoTrunks said,
Contra was easy. Super Contra; that one just hurts :(. Like 10x harder.