ISPs don't work for the RIAA

The EFF chimes in on the leaked RIAA letter that earlier this week exposed the industry's new effort to avoid the legal process in their campaign against p2p file traders.

"EFF and others have long warned that copyright claims could become an altar on which personal privacy is sacrificed. Now the RIAA wants your ISP to voluntarily wield the knife, and there's no telling what else the RIAA might ask for once this cut has been made," says the EFF's Cindy Cohen. "The last time we checked, ISPs don't work for the RIAA, so until the major record labels come to their collective senses, ISPs shouldn't be handmaidens in their misguided lawsuit campaign."

News source: Broadband Reports

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In any case the RIAA doesnt do anything blaming the ISP, they must search the criminal by themselves and then ask the ISP of that criminal to take action.

What other country in the world lets an organization of entertainment companies attempt to control everything and destroy technology?

Why don't we just close down the internet, and save RIAA a lot of trouble. Lets return to the 80's :P

The music / movie industry needs to realize that they have to adapt to this new market instead of trying to get the whole world to hate them...

I said it before and I'll say it again.

Piracy is good for the consumer as it was generated out of the need of getting one or maybe two songs from each album, and discard the rest. The "single" approach the musicians are using is horrible. Maybe this will make them to produce better music, better packages and added value to the originals.

The originals should be kicking a.s.s. products instead of being crappy boxes without any "conceptual" content. Take for example how were records sold back in the 70's, with crazy artwork and in-the-mood package wrapping.

Those were the days.

"The last time we checked, ISPs don't work for the RIAA"

Wow, that sarcasm sure demonstrates your level of intelligence.

Any ISP I've ever dealt with has this thing called 'Terms of Serivce'... you know, conditions the customer agrees to in subscribing to Internet access service. These Terms usually include a section about illegal activity and that the ISP can and will share personally identifiable information and full co-operation with authorities if asked.

So, no, ISPs don't work for the RIAA but that doesn't mean they will protect customers who illegally share files.

And they shouldn't. If you rob a store your butt will get thrown in jail. Ripping off music and other property online is no different and something has to be done so people "get it".

bullsh*t.

An ISP is no more responsible for what happens over its lines than the phone company is for what happens over theirs.

PERIOD.

yes, there terms of service will state this, BUT, that is in accordance with due process, they wont (and shouldn't) hand over information or take any action without a warrant. It is not the RIAA or MPAA who gets to say x is doing y illegal thing!

If you rob a store your butt will get thrown in jail. Ripping off music and other property online is no different and something has to be done so people "get it".

How many times do we have to say this before it is understood by the metally inept: Copyright infringement IS NOT STEALING! Copying music (on|off)line does not remove the original (unlike robbing a store), therefore it HAS NOT BEEN STOLEN.

COAB.

Never mind the ISP, the owners of the global telecoms infrastructure are responsible for allowing people to use the internet for illegal purposes. Never mind the poor inventors of the internet who are also clearly responsible for all this illegal activity as it wouldn't happen but for their work 40 years ago. How far does the industry wish to go before the non-techhie media realises how pathetically desperate they are to avoid confronting the failure of DRM?

I say the RIAA should sue themselves. After all, if they didn't make the music in the first place, nobody would be able to pirate it!

M2Ys4U said,
I say the RIAA should sue themselves. After all, if they didn't make the music in the first place, nobody would be able to pirate it!
haha quality

M2Ys4U said,
I say the RIAA should sue themselves. After all, if they didn't make the music in the first place, nobody would be able to pirate it!
That my friend is the quote of the year.

M2Ys4U said,
I say the RIAA should sue themselves. After all, if they didn't make the music in the first place, nobody would be able to pirate it!

Respect!!

M2Ys4U said,
I say the RIAA should sue themselves. After all, if they didn't make the music in the first place, nobody would be able to pirate it!

pure pwnage, nice quote man.

RIAA should sue God, because it's all his/her/their/whatever fault as Man was created with free will. If there wasn't free will then there wouldn't be any "pirates" as they wouldn't be able to "pirate" in the first place...

Holding an ISP responsible for a customer using the internet for illegal purposes....wow, what will they think of next??

Holding the Department of Transportation responsible for drunk drivers??

Don't laugh, bar owners are held responsible for the overindulgence (stupidity) of their patrons that drive. What's next? It seems that these days, there is absolutely NO personal responsibility. This applies to political waters, both sides of business interests, and personal lives. Technology has not escaped; It along with the companies/individuals who create or provide the technology are the targets because their technology might be used for activities that may/or may not violate a copyright holder's IP rights. Next we are going to start going after librarians because they allow people to use their copy machines that may/or may not be involved in reproducing protected material.

lbmouse said,
Don't laugh, bar owners are held responsible for the overindulgence (stupidity) of their patrons that drive.

Bar owners are held responsible because they are the ones serving alcohol. They do have the right to refuse service. The ISP's aren't the ones providing the illegal content. They just provide the conduit for information, be it legal or otherwise. Even without the internet, piracy would still go strong. Just have to burn the cd

FourXX said,
Bar owners are held responsible because they are the ones serving alcohol. They do have the right to refuse service.

That's a ******** cop-out as that would mean they'd have to refuse service (after having monitored the alcohol intake of EVERY patron) once a patron is considered to have consumed enough to be potentially over the limit / unfit for driving AND that they are driving in the first place just to avoid potential liability should that patron be an arse once not in the bar. This is easily long before the normal refusal when you're bombed out of your gourd. Having a policy like that is guaranteed to lose you your business as noone who might be celebrating something is going to go near your bar as they'll only be allowed 2 drinks (if that) before they get told to sling their hook.