It's probable Apple will lose smartphone wars without Steve Jobs

Apple was guided by the mind that was Steve Jobs. Since his passing in 2011, there has been fleeting statements that they wouldn’t be able to carry on his vision, even though he was rumoured to have left not only a legacy, but a roadmap on how to take the company’s products forward.

Now Elon Musk, a serial entrepreneur, founder of Tesla and SpaceX, says that Apple will ultimately lose the smartphone market to Google; all because Steve Jobs is no longer at the helm. He was quoted, at a government sponsored roundtable in London, saying Apple will lose to Google in the smartphone market:

…because [Steve] Jobs is out of the picture.

To be fair, it’s not like Steve Jobs is taking a sabbatical, was fired, or left the post; the man died! No amount of rumoured 4 year plans or product roadmaps will bring his wealth of knowledge back to the fold. Musk went on to add:

It really makes a difference who runs the company. [Google CEO] Larry Page is quite good and probably in the long run will come out on top.

Musk isn’t the only person to voice their opinions (concerns?) over Apple’s current status in the market. Steve Wozniak, Apple co-founder, has expressed that he is worried Microsoft may be more innovative than Apple and that the Cupertino tech giant will eventually decline in the market due to a lack of innovation. Another analyst has said that Apple’s creativity is “sputtering.

Tim Cook, the man to take the Apple helm following Steve Job’s passing, has been branded a technology lightweight and has been criticised for his observable lack of leadership skills.

As popular as the iPhone and iOS is, Android holds a whopping 72.4% of the mobile device market share, as of Q3 2012.

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Apple already lost the smartphone market to Google Android. It's not because of Steve Jobs. Steve Job set the standard the only reason why Apple will stay at 2nd place is the close system of hardware and software of the iOS.

They were losing the smartphone war before Jobs died. The iPhone is a piece of crap. I had 2. They are just ok. The only reason they get so much hype is because of the fans and the retards who keep buying them. The limitations are ridiculous.

Android phones as a whole are doing better, not becaus eof just price as the fans want us to think, but because they are better at everything but games.

There are models with longer battery life, bigger screens, maos that work, avail on more carriers. Price isn't the issue. The GSIII cost the same as an iPhone on contact with the 32GB model only being $50 less. However even tho many new the iPhone 5 was coming, they still bought phones that cost MORe money liek the Droid Razr Maxx onb Verizon.

Apple is going to lose for the same reaosn they did with the Mac. They were blind by the fact they don't sell the phone to everyone. The 4S outsold the 5 beause it had a better price point. Price is an issue in many counties, especially Asian ones. When you have a monthly income that is equal to $150 US dollars, who do you afford an iPhone that requires a substancial downpayment to get or you must pay the whole phine cost upfront.

I really don't know what will become of Apple now that iCEO Jobs isn't involved anymore (Not like he could, unless he was a zombie) I think there isn't a much stress and chaos at Apple since Cook took over last year. They really need someone who can light a fire under the employees butts! So now their "A" Players hired under Steve Jobs seems to now turing into "C" Players. Something needs to happen or they'll be back at the beginning with ZERO market.

There's so much to say I can't bring myself to address it all. All I will say is there is nothing terribly wrong with Android over iOS phones.

The market is both better and worse for Android due to it's open nature. That's the nature of the beast: see Microsoft v Apple in third-party software support.

The hardware is not a problem either in Android as a whole. If you get a quality phone you're going to get a quality experience. It's actually both beneficial and unfortunate for Android that Apple doesn't have lower price point devices to compare with. Android is also much bigger conceptually than iOS with it being so versatile to not be locked down to just phones and tablets and with specific hardware.

Personally, I'm completely spoiled with the overwhelming amount of customization options in Android. The different ROMs featuring completely new sets of features is something I won't live without now that I have it. I have a Samsung Galaxy Note. I can change the DPI to any setting of my choice, I can switch between tablet and phone modes for specific apps, I can do any number of other things that iOS users can't even dream of because of a lack of options.

Like I said, there's nothing wrong with one or the other however for me, Android is the only choice.

Edited by Bryan R., Nov 26 2012, 7:41pm :

This is the type of article that makes google fans mess their pants as they dream about an Android monopoly. How awesome will that ubiquitous world be for you drones?

Meh Apple already lost to Google.

But Apple makes money out of hardware. As long as they keep 5-6% market share they'll make plenty of money. The market share of Android is shared between many manufacturer.

LaP said,
Meh Apple already lost to Google.

But Apple makes money out of hardware. As long as they keep 5-6% market share they'll make plenty of money. The market share of Android is shared between many manufacturer.

It's totally unrealistic to compare Apple to the other guys. All that matters is profit, and so long as Apple keeps making great products with amazing margins, they'll be making plenty of that. It's just unfair to compare a single phone to a million others, not to mention that a ton of those cheap Droid devices are basically just being sold as sub-par feature phones. I'd take a Kin over those any day

Yep

It's the same thing in the PC market.

People keep comparing the market share of Windows versus Mac OS.

It's not really relevant for Apple itself unless Apple start to sell Mac OS for PC.

What is relevant is the market share of Apple computer versus HP, Dell, ACER, etc ...

I'm sure if you compare the market share of the iPhone versus Samsung, LG, Nokia, HTC and such they are doing very well and will probably continue to do well for many years.

It is relevant when you consider the ecosystems as a whole. Regardless of how many OEMs Apple may be up against, they are probably more threatened by Google's Play Store which does put them 'mano a mano' against Google.

In the end, when some of you get a little older, you will see the only thing that matters is the green. Lots of you seem to not know how to do math.

Choose one:

A) Sell 1,000,000 phones at $250 with $100 profit margin?
B) Sell 500,000 phones at $500 with a $250 profit margin?

You fail if you choose answer A.

Well, I guess I might fail then. It is possible that you now have 1 Million sheep vs. .5 Million sheep to buy your apps (Which you make a good percentage of). Not to mention the new ones that will line up for the next one.

I believe they have this down to a science anyways. They sell the old ones at huge discounts to get people in the system. Then tout the features of the new ones once they are in. Even if they features are nothing really new to everyone else, it's still better than what your old IPhone has!

rippleman said,
In the end, when some of you get a little older, you will see the only thing that matters is the green. Lots of you seem to not know how to do math.

Choose one:

A) Sell 1,000,000 phones at $250 with $100 profit margin?
B) Sell 500,000 phones at $500 with a $250 profit margin?

You fail if you choose answer A.

rippleman said,
....

You fail to understand the market if hardware units are your only basis.


ARPU in Apples Store is > Android.

If that ever turned around for Android then answer A would be a more viable option.

rippleman said,
In the end, when some of you get a little older, you will see the only thing that matters is the green. Lots of you seem to not know how to do math.

Choose one:

A) Sell 1,000,000 phones at $250 with $100 profit margin?
B) Sell 500,000 phones at $500 with a $250 profit margin?

You fail if you choose answer A.

You actually fail if you chose anything but option A, as the attach rate for lower cost devices usually is higher, therefore leading to even greater profits. This is how the consoles market works, and is the correct option for long term profitability. I don't know a single company in the world that would rather have less users long term over a short term cash influx.

People want the iPhone-wannabees out there due to how cheaply made and cheaply priced they are. "good enough" is their motto. Everything is a tradeoff with Android devices. Cheap UI, Cheap hardware with non-recyclable plastic (not earth friendly like aluminum), and cheap OS. All a rip off because people don't want great (Apple) they want good enough (Android).

I know as I only have one crappy Android device left at my house.

NeoPogo said,
People want the iPhone-wannabees out there due to how cheaply made and cheaply priced they are. "good enough" is their motto. Everything is a tradeoff with Android devices. Cheap UI, Cheap hardware with non-recyclable plastic (not earth friendly like aluminum), and cheap OS. All a rip off because people don't want great (Apple) they want good enough (Android).

I know as I only have one crappy Android device left at my house.

I see you've fallen for the fallacy of an environmentally friendly phone. Pro-enlightenment for you: An environmentally phone is the one that was never made and therefore didn't use the metals, plastics and chemicals in the first place.

I like the cheap UI comment too. I guess you haven't noticed that the UI is getting a bit long in the tooth on iOS and that it isn't very consistent anyway. Not saying android is much better here. WP8 is at least trying something a bit different and it looks like Blackberry 10 might too.

As for trade offs - how is this related to android again? With apple you get precisely 3 models to pick from at any time. In all cases they have no expandable storage (you have to pay a small fortune to apple for more storage). No removable/replaceable battery. You get a completely locked down phone that you have to break into to modify anything. You also get to wait an eternity for standard features on other platforms. When did iphone users get LTE again? a few months ago? On other platforms it's been around for going on 2 years. At the very least on android there are so many phones that you can conceivably find one that fits just about any preference for screen size, storage, 3G or LTE, shape or colour.
etc etc

singularity87 said,
I'm not sure they'd succeed in the long-term even with Steve Jobs.

Well this is the unanswerable question. More to the point is his everlasting roadmap will only be viable as long as 'the next big thing' doesn't catch Apple off guard.
If Steve could be with us today, he would at least be able to offer his insight in such an instance. Now we're left with the flounders in business suits trying to grasp the technology in a way only Steve could.

I'm afraid that I share his concerns, and I'm speaking as someone who writes this reply on a 27" iMac, has a 4s iPhone next to him, an iPad 2nd Gen and 4th Gen downstairs in the living room, along with the much under-used Apple TV. So, as you can imagine, I'm generally happy to buy Apple products. However, the recent releases, in particular the iPhone 5 and iPad Mini have left me feeling a little worried that Apple have run out of ideas.

A slightly smaller or slightly larger screen, and moving the earphone jack from the top to the bottom just aren't going to cut it; particularly when Apple charge premium prices for their products. The only reason that I am not jumping ship yet is that there isn't a really serious alternative - yet. Windows 8? Not a chance in hell that I will ever use that cobbled-together mess. Linux? Yeah, right. Android on my phone? Get some quality control in your App Store and I could be persuaded to at least dip my toe I suppose, but then I would lose the synergy I have with my iMac, etc.

So, I guess Windows 8 is taking is a step in the right direction but it's got a long way to go before I'll take it seriously - especially how it looks. I'm hoping Apple will pick it up and get serious again but I can't see it happening any time soon to be honest. At least not while Tim is steering the boat. They need to get out of this 'make it smaller, thinner, or bigger' mentality and really start to innovate!

TheDogsBed said,

Android on my phone? Get some quality control in your App Store and I could be persuaded to at least dip my toe I suppose, but then I would lose the synergy I have with my iMac, etc.

App store quality control.

I really struggle finding any useful app in any of the app stores. (I have an ipod, android tablet and windows phone).

All of them have far too many pointless apps (do I really need 400 fart apps) and less than ideal search facilities to find the decent apps.

All I can say is that I never struggle to find good quality apps to do what I am looking for in the Apple App Store. However, I hated the Android store with every fibre of my being. Time after time the apps were buggy, poorly presented, rubbish. I just don't personally get the same low hit rate with the Apple App Store.

Chris Rollason said,

App store quality control.

I really struggle finding any useful app in any of the app stores. (I have an ipod, android tablet and windows phone).

All of them have far too many pointless apps (do I really need 400 fart apps) and less than ideal search facilities to find the decent apps.

Chris Rollason said,
App store quality control.

Yeah, it truly sucks having to 'search engine' an app category in your ecosystem to see if someone else had the time to evaluate the plethora of like apps just to find one that will meet your needs.

That's a lot of words used but I still have no idea what you just said!

deadonthefloor said,

Yeah, it truly sucks having to 'search engine' an app category in your ecosystem to see if someone else had the time to evaluate the plethora of like apps just to find one that will meet your needs.

Have to agree with the general sentiment... also droped my iPhone 4S for a Galaxy S3... and with Blackberry truly innovating with Blackberry 10, I will give that a try too..

iPhone 5 is just more of the same... Sad how the Great will fall

ArcticRift said,
Have to agree with the general sentiment... also droped my iPhone 4S for a Galaxy S3... and with Blackberry truly innovating with Blackberry 10, I will give that a try too..

iPhone 5 is just more of the same... Sad how the Great will fall

Apple should've completely redone the interface, included a set of 3D glasses so I can look like a real jackass, and made Siri spy on me 24/7. I also hear they're falling behind on virus compatability.

Well it's more of a case of Android winning because Android devices are cheaper and more diverse, offering something extra over iPhone, more open and less restrictive to developers.

But Microsoft!! They're definitely most lost. I blame Ballmer, Sinofsky and Julie Green for making them lose their way.

I don't think that Apple sees market share as being a consideration. They don't with PC's so why should they with smart phones?

I'd argue that Apple is still very much winning as long as they are getting the huge profits.

Instead of "losing" the market, Apple, Google, and Microsoft, may all be perennial winners. Like in the car market. Obviously there are losers in the car market, but many manufactures share the space. This is good for everyone, if there was only one it would "truly"be dull. I wish people would get over the Android or Apple is better thing. Everyone is better with all of them.

Open systems always win. I think Android will dominate in the end. You can get some very capable phones for around $150 today (such as the Wildfire S). If I went to Windows Phone or iPhone, I would certainly miss the openness of Android.

Apple have great phone hardware, but going to the Lightning connector was a mistake. They should have used micro-USB instead, and given direct access to the phone memory (which they would never do). And iTunes is slow on Windows. The iPhone is limited, but for most people it's enough. Apple can't just have one iPhone model - they have to create some kind of "light" version soon, as many people will be buying low-cost Android phones, and Apple have nothing in that market.

68k said,
Open systems always win. I think Android will dominate in the end. You can get some very capable phones for around $150 today (such as the Wildfire S). If I went to Windows Phone or iPhone, I would certainly miss the openness of Android.

Apple have great phone hardware, but going to the Lightning connector was a mistake. They should have used micro-USB instead, and given direct access to the phone memory (which they would never do). And iTunes is slow on Windows. The iPhone is limited, but for most people it's enough. Apple can't just have one iPhone model - they have to create some kind of "light" version soon, as many people will be buying low-cost Android phones, and Apple have nothing in that market.

Guess you never heard of Linux.

68k said,
they have to create some kind of "light" version soon, as many people will be buying low-cost Android phones, and Apple have nothing in that market.

That's not Apple's brand positioniong.
To think that is to misunderstand the brilliance that comes from Cupertino.

yowanvista said,
Butt hurt iSheeps incoming..

Heh. After years of paying through the nose to take it up the butt, I doubt they have any feeling left in their butts to experience pain with.

They were already losing the war while Jobs was still alive, and nothing has changed now that he's dead except there's yet another excuse to preach that he was techno-Jesus and that Apple has no chance without him. But there are also those who believe that any fall from grace that Apple appears to experience is just a test of faith, and that upon Jobs' resurrection the faithful will be rewarded with everlasting bliss whilst living eternally in the walled garden of mindless conformity.

Edited by BattleDaggit, Nov 26 2012, 12:31pm :

Partially disagree - thanks to the new shake-up in iOS management, I think it's quite an exciting time for Apple. You have to remember now that Forstall is out and Ive is in - as a creative lead in UX design for iOS and Mac in terms of software AND hardware, we're going to see a stronger unification of software and hardware on a product-by-product basis as well as a product range basis. If Forstall was still in charge, I'd be worried - the next great leap, the iPhone 5, I personally thought was a paltry effort from a software perspective. Granted, the hardware was lacking a little too IMO - but I think that was largely exaggerated by the the appalling software. If iOS was redesigned more strongly from a UX perspective to take advantage of the 4" screen outside of "OMG ANOTHER LINE OF APPS LOL" and wasn't still so strongly focused on a skeumorphic design language, in an age when that's no longer avant garde - it might have been received better in the press and better received overall.

The problem is that the failings of Scott Forstall are passed onto CEO Tim Cook because the original figurehead, Steve Jobs, took the credit and brunt for all feedback, positive and negative, and now Tim Cook is expected to do the same in the eyes of the public. A fair assumption, I guess, but not an entirely accurate one. Thankfully, the tech community has realised Tim Cook is trying to rectify these issues and now hopefully these messages will trickle down to the general public and Cook will regain face in time for iOS 7 and iPhone 5S/6.

Right now, I'd say it's too early to discount Apple as a failing mainstay leader. Yes, Google and Microsoft are catching up in the smartphone wars in terms of feature set and overall quality, and both are even starting to catch up in the ecosystem battle as well. However, Apple are essentially in Microsoft's Desktop OS position within the Smartphone Wars - an encumbent that's assumed to start failing, despite it's dramatic and consistent lead ahead of the competition, all due to a couple of issues. Time will soon tell by the end of 2013 whether Apple should start to be a little worried - Jony Ive and the iPhone team have their work cut out for them but also have plenty of time to try and turn the tide arouns, and quite frankly, I wish them the best of luck.

(This is coming from a WP7 and Android user)

The Teej said,
Ive is in - as a creative lead in UX design for iOS and Mac in terms of software AND hardware,

Which has the potential to be hilariously bad. Ive is an industrial designer not a UX/software designer.

Would you do the reverse and get your software guy to design the devices? Don't think so.

technikal said,

Which has the potential to be hilariously bad. Ive is an industrial designer not a UX/software designer.

Would you do the reverse and get your software guy to design the devices? Don't think so.

Or the potential to be really good. Clearly the man knows something if he's been left in charge of Software UX.

The Teej said,

Or the potential to be really good. Clearly the man knows something if he's been left in charge of Software UX.

We'll just end up with skeuomorphism based designs everywhere, it'll be a horrible disjointed usability nightmare. It might look pretty though

-T- said,

We'll just end up with skeuomorphism based designs everywhere, it'll be a horrible disjointed usability nightmare. It might look pretty though

Actually Jony Ive has apparently wanted to go away from skeumorphic designs for a while now, while Forstall has been a big proponent of this. Seen as Forstall was head of Software UX, and how iOS currently looks, we can all take a guess to see who's been winning that argument so far

i would agree with the article ive been an iPhone user since the first, however the 5 was very underhelming with hardly any new features with the changes made to the phone to make the phone barely keep up with the compeition, i went with a Galaxy Note 2 instead and couldn't be happier a lot more innovation has gone into this phone with a lot of nice touches.

Well, Apple haven't done anything noteworthy in the last 2 years or say to get back at their detractors, have they? That does question their innovation capabilities to an extent, though we should always be ready to be surprised by them!!

Mohitster said,
Well, Apple haven't done anything noteworthy in the last 2 years or say to get back at their detractors, have they? That does question their innovation capabilities to an extent, though we should always be ready to be surprised by them!!

They really need a killer, all new product to bring the buzz back...

Chicane-UK said,
They really need a killer, all new product to bring the buzz back...

Buzz? Yeah, like an iVibrator maybe. But the batteries never seem to last until you get there, and for God's sake, don't hold it wrong!

Enron said,

iPad Mini is a game changer!


Pitty it has a Lightning connector (not micro USB), and requires iTunes, unlike the 7" Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 (which is very open).

They already are.
Look at what a shame the iPhone 5 is.

I had so many hopes for the new device. Its a shame really, what turned out to be the final product

Muhammad Farrukh said,
They already are.
Look at what a shame the iPhone 5 is.

I had so many hopes for the new device. Its a shame really, what turned out to be the final product

So what exactly is the iPhone 5 missing?

Real problem is iOS is aging, nothing to do with the hardware.

Timan said,

So what exactly is the iPhone 5 missing?

Real problem is iOS is aging, nothing to do with the hardware.


I agree. Software accounts for half (or more) of the "wow" factor. Android phones have a smart UI. I love their widgets - something missing on iOS. Apple have many areas to improve on with iOS - or should I say, a lot to learn (or copy) from Android. Unfortunately, they like taking their time to release new features.

Edited by 68k, Nov 26 2012, 12:21pm :

Timan said,
So what exactly is the iPhone 5 missing?

NFC.
Better cameras. Nokia's original PureView really set an expectation. The Lumia doesn't quite match the 808 PureView.
With Apple making 'the best products' they should have tried to strive for more than an extra row of icons on the screen.

Said that guy who took government bailout to finance a car company that is selling the Model S at a loss. Great business Musk! You should worry about your own company filing for bankruptcy first before worry about others, let alone Apple--who has enough money to live on for decades even if the iPhone eventually loses its magic.

If Cook is really desperate, he'll buy Tesla if he wanted to. But you know, wasn't building car one of Steve's dream? Hell, if Steve was still alive, Tesla would've been bought up buy now and claimed Apple invented THE car lol.

Edited by LAMj, Nov 26 2012, 10:54am :

LAMj said,
Said that guy who took government bailout to finance a car company that is selling the Model S at a loss. Great business Musk! You should worry about your own company filing for bankruptcy first before worry about others, let alone Apple--who has enough money to live on for decades even if the iPhone eventually loses its magic.

If Cook is really desperate, he'll buy Tesla if he wanted to. But you know, wasn't building car one of Steve's dream? Hell, if Steve was still alive, Tesla would've been bought up buy now and claimed Apple invented THE car lol.

I really enjoyed your advise to one of the most successful businessmen in the world. I especially enjoyed the part where you belittled him by saying "Great business Musk!", suggesting what a fool he is. So how many successful organisations have you founded?

Shoop said,

I really enjoyed your advise to one of the most successful businessmen in the world. I especially enjoyed the part where you belittled him by saying "Great business Musk!", suggesting what a fool he is. So how many successful organisations have you founded?

A successful businessman? Guess you don't actually know anything about him. His business is anything but successful if it needs the government to bail it out.

ILikeTobacco said,
A successful businessman? Guess you don't actually know anything about him. His business is anything but successful if it needs the government to bail it out.

Sorry I get so confused. Are you referring to the unsuccessful company that dominates e-commerce? Perhaps the one specialising in electric supercars? Or maybe the one that became the first private organisation to send rockets into space? By what degree do you measure success?

You mean this bailout: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...Relief_Program#Participants, that Tesla had no money from, and stated they don't need? Or are we simply talking about the conditional fund from the US dept of energy?

Edit: Then again, what good is all that when you only have a net worth of $2.4 billion?

Edited by Shoop, Nov 26 2012, 2:37pm :

ILikeTobacco said,
A successful businessman? Guess you don't actually know anything about him. His business is anything but successful if it needs the government to bail it out.
YOU WOULD BE WRONG...What about GM and Chrsysler? Hmmmmm! What about all the banks the Feds bailed out too? Hmmmm!

Disagree, Apple has the App Store and iTunes, the amazing eco-system, so as long as that continues to flourish then i can't see the 'general consumer' turning to anything else, especially once your in deep it's hard to get out.

If things do start to decline they'll probably think 'oh ****' and then bring something absolutely amazing, they have proven they CAN smash the competition, it's just lately they don't seem to want to move forward, that would soon change if share and margins started to take a serious hit... at the minute their **** is still selling like hot cakes, so i doubt they'll be worried.

Uplift said,
Disagree, Apple has the App Store and iTunes, the amazing eco-system, so as long as that continues to flourish then i can't see the 'general consumer' turning to anything else, especially once your in deep it's hard to get out.

If things do start to decline they'll probably think 'oh ****' and then bring something absolutely amazing, they have proven they CAN smash the competition, it's just lately they don't seem to want to move forward, that would soon change if share and margins started to take a serious hit... at the minute their **** is still selling like hot cakes, so i doubt they'll be worried.


Squashing the competition implies they're actually #1 as far as market share is concerned. Instead of #2.

Define losing... Android is already on far more mobile phones than iOS.

Edit: I might also add that they were also under Steve Jobs' lead.

Northgrove said,
Define losing... Android is already on far more mobile phones than iOS.

Edit: I might also add that they were also under Steve Jobs' lead.

Yes. If 75% of the market is already android i would say he has extrapolated what has already occurred;-)

Northgrove said,
Define losing... Android is already on far more mobile phones than iOS.

Edit: I might also add that they were also under Steve Jobs' lead.

Apple isn't fighting for market share just to say they have it. They're in making the best products they can, which will bring in loyal customers and keep them ahead of the others. Samsung is really the only company making any money off of Android, and even they aren't anywhere near Apple's margins.

THolman said,

Apple isn't fighting for market share just to say they have it. They're in making the best products they can, which will bring in loyal customers and keep them ahead of the others. Samsung is really the only company making any money off of Android, and even they aren't anywhere near Apple's margins.

I don't get it. People say Apple has huge margins like its a good thing. If they have huge margins its because they are charging more than they need to.

M4x1mus said,

I don't get it. People say Apple has huge margins like its a good thing. If they have huge margins its because they are charging more than they need to.

It's a great thing in terms of business. Apple isn't a charity. Any business is based around charging more than something is worth.

Northgrove said,
Define losing... Android is already on far more mobile phones than iOS.

Edit: I might also add that they were also under Steve Jobs' lead.

Sure Android is running on more phones then Apple - more manufactures exist! One company cannot compete with a combined many. Think about it.

Anastasios A Toulkeridis said,
and let's not forget the new Windows Phone with the new kernel

Oh man, a new kernel? That will surely get people flocking into the stores.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
You don't say? People will eventually open their eyes.

It has nothing to do with smoke and mirrors you dolt. People pay for Apple products because Apple makes great products. I'm sorry for you that you can't afford them. The problem described here is that Apple will eventually stop making great products, because they now lack Steve Jobs' vision. The article might be right unfortunately.

Fry said,

It has nothing to do with smoke and mirrors you dolt. People pay for Apple products because Apple makes great products. I'm sorry for you that you can't afford them. The problem described here is that Apple will eventually stop making great products, because they now lack Steve Jobs' vision. The article might be right unfortunately.

Can't afford them? Nice try but sorry to say, I could. I rather spend my money on something else than a shiny fashion piece.

Jobs only vision was great marketing, nothing less nothing more. There's nothing utterly special about Apple's products, wake up.

Fry said,

It has nothing to do with smoke and mirrors you dolt. People pay for Apple products because Apple makes great products. I'm sorry for you that you can't afford them. The problem described here is that Apple will eventually stop making great products, because they now lack Steve Jobs' vision. The article might be right unfortunately.

This is a common fallacy, as if Apple products are something for rich folk. They give the phones away with contracts, it's hardly an expensive device. I've owned many apple products up to and including the iPhone 4S, I cannot imagine I'll purchase any others though as it's all gone very stale

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

Can't afford them? Nice try but sorry to say, I could. I rather spend my money on something else than a shiny fashion piece.

Jobs only vision was great marketing, nothing less nothing more. There's nothing utterly special about Apple's products, wake up.

So true. I can't add anything to that !

Fry said,

It has nothing to do with smoke and mirrors you dolt. People pay for Apple products because Apple makes great products. I'm sorry for you that you can't afford them. The problem described here is that Apple will eventually stop making great products, because they now lack Steve Jobs' vision. The article might be right unfortunately.

Fry said,

It has nothing to do with smoke and mirrors you dolt. People pay for Apple products because Apple makes great products. I'm sorry for you that you can't afford them. The problem described here is that Apple will eventually stop making great products, because they now lack Steve Jobs' vision. The article might be right unfortunately.

Oh ffs, there's The elitist you can't afford it attitude again. I can buy every Apple product on the market, yet I choose not to.

Fry said,

It has nothing to do with smoke and mirrors you dolt. People pay for Apple products because Apple makes great products. I'm sorry for you that you can't afford them. The problem described here is that Apple will eventually stop making great products, because they now lack Steve Jobs' vision. The article might be right unfortunately.

I have an iPhone, wouldn't buy another though.

Fry said,

People pay for Apple products because Apple makes great products. I'm sorry for you that you can't afford them.

I'm sorry, but Apple doesn't make 4GB of DDR3 memory because it's worth $200. They just charge that because they can, and they know that most Mac users will shell it out because it has the Apple name on it. How can you justify those kinds of prices when you can get 8GB of memory for $25? I'm sorry that you can afford that kind of foolish spending.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

Can't afford them? Nice try but sorry to say, I could. I rather spend my money on something else than a shiny fashion piece.

Jobs only vision was great marketing, nothing less nothing more. There's nothing utterly special about Apple's products, wake up.

You see Cell phones as shiny fashion accessories? You are very silly and will see as you get older that they aren't. Its just a phone.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

Can't afford them? Nice try but sorry to say, I could. I rather spend my money on something else than a shiny fashion piece.

Jobs only vision was great marketing, nothing less nothing more. There's nothing utterly special about Apple's products, wake up.

So you don't own a smart phone? Why are you reading/commenting on this article then when you don't even have a horse in the race?

Fry said,

It has nothing to do with smoke and mirrors you dolt. People pay for Apple products because Apple makes great products. I'm sorry for you that you can't afford them. The problem described here is that Apple will eventually stop making great products, because they now lack Steve Jobs' vision. The article might be right unfortunately.

Your comment implies that Apple actually makes good products. Which is debatable.

"I'm sorry for you that you can't afford them."

i feel so sorry for you you made this unfortunate comment. your butt must be hurting by now.

Fry said,

It has nothing to do with smoke and mirrors you dolt. People pay for Apple products because Apple makes great products. I'm sorry for you that you can't afford them. The problem described here is that Apple will eventually stop making great products, because they now lack Steve Jobs' vision. The article might be right unfortunately.

High level lulz here.

Great products that don't work if you "hold it wrong". Or come out of the package damaged and scratch instantly. Or ignore the fact you joined wifi and use your mobile data instead. Or have great built in software that gets replaced with inferior in-house software. Or has an OS that is a relic.

etc etc etc

rippleman said,
You see Cell phones as shiny fashion accessories? You are very silly and will see as you get older that they aren't. Its just a phone.

Wow, your comprehension skills are incredibly poor. He was talking about Apple devices and for some reason, you've decided he was talking about all cell phones . He was saying the iPhone is a shiny fashion accessory... not all smartphones.

ILikeTobacco said,
So you don't own a smart phone? Why are you reading/commenting on this article then when you don't even have a horse in the race?

Where did he say he doesn't own a smartphone?! He said that iPhones are shiny fashion accessories. He said nothing about any other make of smartphone... Or are you so far into the Apple cult that you think they're the only ones who make smartphones?

M4x1mus said,

Where did he say he doesn't own a smartphone?! He said that iPhones are shiny fashion accessories. He said nothing about any other make of smartphone... Or are you so far into the Apple cult that you think they're the only ones who make smartphones?

First part of your comment tis true, BUT he didn't state he doesn't own one, yet he never said he did own one either.

Fry said,

It has nothing to do with smoke and mirrors you dolt. People pay for Apple products because Apple makes great products. I'm sorry for you that you can't afford them. The problem described here is that Apple will eventually stop making great products, because they now lack Steve Jobs' vision. The article might be right unfortunately.

I get so sick of idiots who keep claiming people can't afford an iPhone. YOU ARE JUST STUPID for saying it. Look at the sales numbers stupid. Before the iPhone 5 was released, Verzion had an increase in sales of the Droid Razr Maxx. Cost? $299 on contract. The Galaxy Note 2 is also $299 and VZW already has seleveral million on preorder. When VZW released the HTC THunderbolt, it was outselling the iPhone 4 for several weeks. Cost? Also $299.

Grow up and stop being stupid. Cost isn't the issue. Look at the iPhone 4 and 4S, both outsold the 5 for a quarter even tho people knew it was coming. Why? Because it was a rehash of the same BS.

Grow up fanboi. I had 2 iPhones, both the 4 and 4S and I said never again. Main reason? Too small, to limited and too closed.

Grow up...it has nothing to do with Jobs being gone. It has to do with the fact the phone isnt avail everywhere and its to expensive for most and it really isnt worth what it costs.
Only the AMerican idiots keep buying them in huge numbers. Yes I am America.
The iPAd is the best selling tablet ecause it is the best tablet. Android doesn't need a single model to beat iPhone. More than one phone runs Android just like morethan one computer runs Windows. Cost isnt always the issue....value for the dollar.

Here is what you get with Android you will NEVER get with Apple:

if I get tired of my Android phone, I have 100's of others I can choose from and most of my apps will work just fine. With Apple, ifyou get sick of the iPhone you have no other option. You lose ALL your apps, ALL your music and all you movies. If u spend to much money with Apple, you have no choice but to stick with them.

You get only 3 other device choices for keeping your apps...iPAd, iPod Touch and IPad Mini. THAT'S IT!!!!

TCA said,

First part of your comment tis true, BUT he didn't state he doesn't own one, yet he never said he did own one either.

You're right, but given that the majority of people own smartphones these days I think its pretty likely that someone posting on a tech news site would own one.

SharpGreen said,

Your comment implies that Apple actually makes good products. Which is debatable.

Apple does make good products! The debate is whether they still posses innovation.