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also going the second Principiante's original post from a few days ago.

Why does it take MS almost 2 years to ship a browser verion. I dont need chrome breakneck speed but why 2 years, why not like one major and one minor version per year like a 10.0 and 10.1 in a 12 month period?

I forgot another question:
what will be your approach about the complaints surfacing regarding the lack of interoperability between the metro version of IE10 and the desktop version of IE10 regarding bookmarks, favorites and pages visited?

Are you planning on making the use of IE10 running smoothly depending on "which way" we are using Windows8 (desktop vs. metro interface)?

Are you guys going to change the user interface in the desktop version of IE10 so it is more consistent with the desktop changes that are coming out with Windows 8 RTM? Please make the back and forward icons have more of a Metro look.

Will we ever see Internet Explorer (again) on other platforms other than those made by Microsoft? (iOS, Android, Linux, OSX....)

metro2012 said,
Will we ever see Internet Explorer (again) on other platforms other than those made by Microsoft? (iOS, Android, Linux, OSX....)

I can answer that - No.

What, for the team, is the most important feature in a browser today:

Standards support (HTML5/CSS3)? (A)
Friendly user interface? (B)
Feature packed? (C)
Low memory footprint? (D)
Sharing preferences/favorites/etc between desktop and mobile devices? (E)

Why is it that when you open a new web page in Internet Explorer 9, and you go and save an image, it is insistent on throwing you to the pictures folder rather than the typical browser behaviour of directing you to the last location that particular file type was saved? I frequent image boards quite regularly and this can be quite annoying when trying to save images whilst going back and forth between different threads.

What are you doing to win back those who felt "burned" back in the IE4/5/6 days, and do you think you can really reclaim the market share you've lost to Chrome, Firefox, etc?

Is there a way to mimic the "open tabs from last session" behaviour? I know that you can open a new tab and click the open tabs from last session button. But is there a command that I can put in the home list to make Internet explorer perform this action the moment I open it?

Edited by Ad Man Gamer, Jun 25 2012, 7:03pm :

Are they going to start releasing frequent updates, as Chrome and Firefox are doing? Or will it be the same major updates as they have now? (@drazgoosh)

The internet explorer team have been pushing the HTML5 new standard a lot and this has been pretty evident over at the test drive domain and other HTML5 related sites.

However since the initial push of this new standard, Internet explorer 9 and the upcoming Internet explorer 10 has seemed to slip well behind the standard and other third party browsers offer far more support for the new standard as default.

Internet explorer builds for example are bottom listed at the HTML5 test site at http://html5test.com stating support for the new standard is seriously lacking in the latest and upcoming builds, My question is if you intend to rectify this and plan to release IE 10 with much better HTML5 support for it's release and will IE 9 get a service pack to rectify this also?

Dermot said,
The internet explorer team have been pushing the HTML5 new standard a lot and this has been pretty evident over at the test drive domain and other HTML5 related sites.

However since the initial push of this new standard, Internet explorer 9 and the upcoming Internet explorer 10 has seemed to slip well behind the standard and other third party browsers offer far more support for the new standard as default.

Internet explorer builds for example are bottom listed at the HTML5 test site at http://html5test.com stating support for the new standard is seriously lacking in the latest and upcoming builds, My question is if you intend to rectify this and plan to release IE 10 with much better HTML5 support for it's release and will IE 9 get a service pack to rectify this also?

IE9 can't even render http://html5test.com/results/desktop.html correctly, this is absolutely preposterous. Microsoft needs to release new features periodically to IE10, instead of just releasing security updates. And that's just playing the catch-up game. If Microsoft want IE to be taken seriously, IE needs to have a rich extension environment.

Will the GUI be in line with Windows 8 explorer? The huge ass back button sucks and entire top part feels like wasted space of window frame.

Also when will you stop being cunning and offer google and other search options in IE Addons gallery for India? There should be even simple way to install the search engine I want and not resort to URL hacks.

I have had many friends who were frustrated as installing google search option simply doesn't exist for Indian users.

sanke1 said,
Will the GUI be in line with Windows 8 explorer? The huge ass back button sucks and entire top part feels like wasted space of window frame.

Also when will you stop being cunning and offer google and other search options in IE Addons gallery for India? There should be even simple way to install the search engine I want and not resort to URL hacks.

I have had many friends who were frustrated as installing google search option simply doesn't exist for Indian users.


The GUI of IE10 desktop is exactly the same as IE9.
IE10 metro is fullscreen with an adresbar and few buttons at the bottom (i just used it once not to sure).
You can just click a link to install a different search engine on the MS website. Google it?
Should work no matter where you are.

One of the criticisms I have for IE9 is its heavy HD dependency which leads to a bottleneck and a degraded IE9 experience. Is IE10 any different?

_heracles said,
One of the criticisms I have for IE9 is its heavy HD dependency which leads to a bottleneck and a degraded IE9 experience. Is IE10 any different?

errr, IE9 works on old hardware too. Even on P4 systems with 1GB of ram, IE9 ran smooth (bit slower) but still faster then FF/chrome.

Shadowzz said,

errr, IE9 works on old hardware too. Even on P4 systems with 1GB of ram, IE9 ran smooth (bit slower) but still faster then FF/chrome.

You responded to the wrong comment - mine is criticizing IE's hard drive use.

I do have a Twitter account, but I won't be available at that point. As someone who is doing some very active web development of late, I am really interested in these questions:

What is the expected schedule for adding new features to IE after the release of IE10? Will there be point releases, or will we have to wait for IE11? How long?

What HTML5 features are being prioritized for adding support for?

When does the IE team expect to implement support the new input types, such as all dates? (This will greatly help the internet if both IE and Chrome add support, of which neither do)

How does Microsoft plan on pushing updates? Similar to Chrome (in-browser), or through Windows Update? (Please be in browser! The internet will become such a fuzzier place)

All of those are extremely relevant to web developers.

pickypg said,
How does Microsoft plan on pushing updates? Similar to Chrome (in-browser), or through Windows Update? (Please be in browser! The internet will become such a fuzzier place)

In Desktop IE10, open the About IE10 window... there is a check box that says:

"Install new versions automatically"

This option is enabled by default. Yes, IE10 will autoupdate like Chrome.

rfirth said,
In Desktop IE10, open the About IE10 window... there is a check box that says:

"Install new versions automatically"

This option is enabled by default. Yes, IE10 will autoupdate like Chrome.

Ah, good. I'm not running the RC as I am using my machine for active development, and I need to test against what's currently out there. Thanks for the heads up on that one.

I'm curious if this still tunnels itself through Windows Update, or if it's a completely separate update path akin to Chrome, which doesn't use Windows Update for more obvious reasons. But that's just curiosity.

rfirth said,

In Desktop IE10, open the About IE10 window... there is a check box that says:

"Install new versions automatically"

This option is enabled by default. Yes, IE10 will autoupdate like Chrome.


wont it just autoupdate like previous versions did through windows update, basically bugfixes and security fixes only. IIRC MS is no fan of changing the HTML/CSS standards in a released version.

th3r3turn said,
will windows 8 phone support syncing bookmarks between IE10 and windows 8 Phone (when it gets released)

this! WP favourites need to support folders (or an abstract idea of folders) so that the folders and favourites on your desktop can sync to the phone. SkyDrive all already synvs them between computers.

guru said,
Extensions, Extensions Extensions / Steve Ballmer style

Like the way they could've have been written in VS10+?

(some people clearly didn't read the fact that these questions will be posted on Twitter...)

Do you have plans to support extensions for IE using managed or scripting languages (e.g. C#, VB, JS, ...) instead of C++?

Aethec said,
(some people clearly didn't read the fact that these questions will be posted on Twitter...)

Do you have plans to support extensions for IE using managed or scripting languages (e.g. C#, VB, JS, ...) instead of C++?

I read it and ignored it The question poster can pull out the key parts if it's an important question.

Will you add support for embedded YouTube and Vimeo videos in Metro IE10? Right now, I can only see white placeholders with a red X. You have to do something about this.

Why is it that in IE10 the order of your tabs doesn't always match the order when you hover over the IE10 icon in the task bar?

Stoffel said,
Can't tell, the link gives me an error?

IC, I think you would need to join IE public program first before seeing it.

Stoffel said,
Why is it that in IE10 the order of your tabs doesn't always match the order when you hover over the IE10 icon in the task bar?

+1, this has been annoying me for a while -.-

Hmmm. Could be your setup GPU/CPU. Scrolling on IE 10 for me is as fast as any other browser. And, I'm not sure what you're referring to about the top most edges on tabs.

I can click anywhere on a tab to change tabs or snap one out. Is that what you mean or are you talking about something else?

Wyn6 said,

I can click anywhere on a tab to change tabs or snap one out. Is that what you mean or are you talking about something else?

It seems he's right. Try clicking on a tab, a few pixels from the top of the tab. It doesn't recognize it as you clicking on the tab, but instead as clicking on the chrome above it.

Will you improve Internet Explorer's InPrivate Browsing feature in the future? Because researchers already showed that data during an IE's InPrivate Browsing session, can be easily recovered later, did you know? Note that such recovery isn't possible with Firefox's Private Browsing -- because it doesn't write to the disk, did you know that? Thank you very much.

Here's what I want to know... how do big companies like Intuit get away with still not supporting IE9 in QuickBooks over a year later even when delivering release previews, betas, etc... IE10 is going to be out fully shortly and QuickBooks Support still makes you uninstall 9 before they'll help you. Can you not tighten the reins on larger companies like that? Take away their Windows Compatibility Logo if they don't keep up to date with IE when its baked into the software like that?

rev23dev said,
Here's what I want to know... how do big companies like Intuit get away with still not supporting IE9 in QuickBooks over a year later even when delivering release previews, betas, etc... IE10 is going to be out fully shortly and QuickBooks Support still makes you uninstall 9 before they'll help you. Can you not tighten the reins on larger companies like that? Take away their Windows Compatibility Logo if they don't keep up to date with IE when its baked into the software like that?
Honestly, I think that this is more Microsoft's fault than the other companies.

Until recently, I was very much in the "IE is good enough" camp. However, after doing a significant amount of web development, I have come to find out truly what people complain about. Even IE9 lacks some things that I have taken for granted in other browsers (my biggest pet peeve is that IE9 lacks support for placeholders [ http://www.w3schools.com/html5/att_input_placeholder.asp ]). In all fairness, I suspect that 90+% of websites run pretty well under IE9 because they hit most of the problems, but it won't be until IE10 that they really solve most of them. IE8 is a whole other beast that has survived for way too long, and with Microsoft being forced into a situation where they continue to extend support for Windows XP, the entire internet is being hamstrung to support it. As long as you use standard libraries, most things work, but it's significantly slower and far less attractive (CSS).

Almost ironically, IE 10 is about to leapfrog pretty much every other browser by supporting CSS that WebKit only provides experimental support for, such as gradients, which is going to make for a _much_ more attractive browsing experience in the very near term. I suspect that Google will support the non-experimental tags pretty quickly (the only reason that they used experimental tags rather than normal ones is because the fields required were not completely set in stone, but according to MS they practically are now). This is fantastic, and as the other browsers fall into place, this will dramatically simplify web development.

Edited by pickypg, Jun 24 2012, 3:22am :

Why, when IE9 and 10 are not maximized, are the tabs top most edges not clickable?
Why is the scrolling so slow on IE10 compared to all other programs?

Sorry, but these two issues are a main reason I don't use IE9/10

BoyBoppins said,
Why, when IE9 and 10 are not maximized, are the tabs top most edges not clickable?
Why is the scrolling so slow on IE10 compared to all other programs?

Sorry, but these two issues are a main reason I don't use IE9/10


Seems like the second issue is your hardware.

_heracles said,

Seems like the second issue is your hardware.

Exactly. Now that IE uses Hardware Acceleration, slower GPUs have a hard time running fast with this thing.

ffMathy said,

Exactly. Now that IE uses Hardware Acceleration, slower GPUs have a hard time running fast with this thing.


Microsoft actually tested their HWA on Intel GPU netbooks.
I am not sure what slower than an Intel netbook.

_heracles said,

Microsoft actually tested their HWA on Intel GPU netbooks.
I am not sure what slower than an Intel netbook.

A lot if Intel IGP drivers are blacklisted in all HWA browsers because of their bugs and poor performance. And I'm not talking about small bugs - things like "all characters are rendered as square boxes".

ffMathy said,

Exactly. Now that IE uses Hardware Acceleration, slower GPUs have a hard time running fast with this thing.


Drawing isnt the problem. Its that the scrolling when using two fingers moves the page half or 1/3rd as far as any other program with the same movement.

It happens on both the i5's chip and an AMD 5650. Synaptics clickpad.

A simple question is to ask them about the rate and frequency of development for updates on IE.
This is simply because Chrome and other browsers do keep pushing newer and recent versions of their browsers, while IE is just keep showing the same browser for ages without any update, which is probably damaging their possibilities to keep having a fresh and up-to-date product...

I also would like to know if they play to show a more "serious" UI like Opera, which I cannot stop to use (even though it has its flaws...)

What's happening with the likes of Full hardware acceleration relying more on the GPU than the CPU to do the rendering of web pages and which of the two (Opengl/DX10) will IE10 support

Athlonite said,
What's happening with the likes of Full hardware acceleration relying more on the GPU than the CPU to do the rendering of web pages and which of the two (Opengl/DX10) will IE10 support

DirectX 11 is made by Microsoft; OpenGL is used mainly on OS X and Linux.
Guess what IE uses..

Athlonite said,
What's happening with the likes of Full hardware acceleration relying more on the GPU than the CPU to do the rendering of web pages and which of the two (Opengl/DX10) will IE10 support

This question makes no sense.
IE10 heavily relies on GPU to render things - look up Direct2D.

_heracles said,

This question makes no sense.
IE10 heavily relies on GPU to render things - look up Direct2D.

Opera can use either Direct3d 10 or openGL depending on what GPU you have for HWA if you've got a GPU that doesn't support dx10/11 but supports OpenGL using IE10 will leave you with CPU only rendering hence why I asked (not that I'm likely to use IE10)

Athlonite said,

Opera can use either Direct3d 10 or openGL depending on what GPU you have for HWA if you've got a GPU that doesn't support dx10/11 but supports OpenGL using IE10 will leave you with CPU only rendering hence why I asked (not that I'm likely to use IE10)


If your GPU doesn't support DX10 by now, you should get an upgrade - although you might be able to get D2D to run on DX9 card like you can ATM.
OpenGL is no where as sophisticated and doesn't offer the abilities to match Direct2D - it doesn't have an API similar to D2D.

OGL has no future on Windows - if the GPU manufacturer doesn't want to support it - you won't be able to use it.

Also, Opera's HWA is very poor and slows the browser down significantly. That is why it is turned off by default. Opera's HWA is worse than Firefox HWA and Firefox HWA is a joke compared to IE9... and IE9 HWA is a joke compared to IE10 HWA. Now, you might not notice this if your CPU compensates for this.

_heracles said,

If your GPU doesn't support DX10 by now, you should get an upgrade - although you might be able to get D2D to run on DX9 card like you can ATM.
OpenGL is no where as sophisticated and doesn't offer the abilities to match Direct2D - it doesn't have an API similar to D2D.

OGL has no future on Windows - if the GPU manufacturer doesn't want to support it - you won't be able to use it.

Also, Opera's HWA is very poor and slows the browser down significantly. That is why it is turned off by default. Opera's HWA is worse than Firefox HWA and Firefox HWA is a joke compared to IE9... and IE9 HWA is a joke compared to IE10 HWA. Now, you might not notice this if your CPU compensates for this.

Ah sorry what opengl isn't as good as D3D where have you been for the last 5 years opengl is as sophisticated D3D10 is and if it wasn't don't you think the two major payers nVidia or ATI/AMD wouldn't have dropped support stopped developing it already as for HWA in Opera I don't know which version you used but 12.01.1473 works really well with HWA turned on , its only turned off by default because v12 are developmental releases and it's easy enough to turn it on if you want to

tell whats the best you get using MS's own bubbles test then
http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/performance/bubbles/

Edited by Athlonite, Jun 24 2012, 5:09pm :

Does MS worry that their lack of support for XP in IE9 means that they pretty much threw loyal customers at Chrome and FF? Did they not think of producing a light version of IE9 that XP users could use or did they not have enough resources to complete with other browsers?

Orange Battery said,
Does MS worry that their lack of support for XP in IE9 means that they pretty much threw loyal customers at Chrome and FF? Did they not think of producing a light version of IE9 that XP users could use or did they not have enough resources to complete with other browsers?

They had no interest in developing on an OS that they just want to die.

siah1214 said,

They had no interest in developing on an OS that they just want to die.

I cant believe they would be so stupid. Im all for advancement but don't throw customers at the competition.

Orange Battery said,

I cant believe they would be so stupid. Im all for advancement but don't throw customers at the competition.

You can't be expected to still be supported on cutting edge software for an 11 year old OS.

Orange Battery said,

I cant believe they would be so stupid. Im all for advancement but don't throw customers at the competition.


Microsoft knows that eventually they'll upgrade to a newer Windows OS (about 90% of the time) where IE holds the majority share.

Orange Battery said,
Does MS worry that their lack of support for XP in IE9 means that they pretty much threw loyal customers at Chrome and FF? Did they not think of producing a light version of IE9 that XP users could use or did they not have enough resources to complete with other browsers?

You do realize it was purely a TECHNICAL reason that IE9 was NOT released for XP, right?

WinXP does not have the GPU technologies, nor the software fallback technology. Go look up WDDM/WDM and then look up XPDM.

There is a big difference between XP and Vista/Win7 that non-technical people just don't realize is there, that are really cool technologies and why Win7 works well and can do things that XP and no other OS can accomplish.

These are also the same reasons that should 'encourage' XP users to move to Windows 7, because you will have a faster and better computer experience overall.

**PS If you have a P4 or newer CPU, performance alone is a MAJOR reason to dump WinXP and Win7 for Windows 8, even if you think you hate Metro.

Orange Battery said,
I cant believe they would be so stupid. Im all for advancement but don't throw customers at the competition.

But why? XP would eventually die in near future anyway. Just let the competitors fill the gap there. And then focus on releasing high-quality IE releases for the future, so that MS would never ever create a one-of-a-kind IE, like IE6, in the future.

Further, supporting a near-to-obsolete OS would cause MS loosing REAL money than loosing in this non-sense browsers war...

thenetavenger said,

You do realize it was purely a TECHNICAL reason that IE9 was NOT released for XP, right?

WinXP does not have the GPU technologies, nor the software fallback technology. Go look up WDDM/WDM and then look up XPDM.

There is a big difference between XP and Vista/Win7 that non-technical people just don't realize is there, that are really cool technologies and why Win7 works well and can do things that XP and no other OS can accomplish.

These are also the same reasons that should 'encourage' XP users to move to Windows 7, because you will have a faster and better computer experience overall.

**PS If you have a P4 or newer CPU, performance alone is a MAJOR reason to dump WinXP and Win7 for Windows 8, even if you think you hate Metro.


got dualcore, 64bit and 3gb ram +, even Vista is then faster then XP

With the recent surge of Chrome and the advancements made by Firefox and Safari (In OS X) is the Internet Explorer team considering making easier for developers to make addons and for users to customize the GUI? These two factors are the main reason I think of why IE is losing market share so quickly.

sanctified said,
With the recent surge of Chrome and the advancements made by Firefox and Safari (In OS X) is the Internet Explorer team considering making easier for developers to make addons and for users to customize the GUI? These two factors are the main reason I think of why IE is losing market share so quickly.
If you think that IE is losing market share because of the lack of extensions for GUI, then you are completely wrong

sanctified said,
With the recent surge of Chrome and the advancements made by Firefox and Safari (In OS X) is the Internet Explorer team considering making easier for developers to make addons and for users to customize the GUI? These two factors are the main reason I think of why IE is losing market share so quickly.

+1

Customisation and add-ons keep me tied to Firefox.

Tab Mix Plus being at the top of the list of must haves, among quite a few others.

I can be so much more productive with Firefox, because I can get it to do exactly what I want (for the most part).

I'd love to give IE a chance, so please do something about that.

Anthonyd said,
If you think that IE is losing market share because of the lack of extensions for GUI, then you are completely wrong

Why then? Besides a shady past.

sanctified said,
Why then? Besides a shady past.
Because of its reputation and the fact that Google is putting Chrome inside all its products that you can install on a Windows PC.
There's a lack for extension supports, yes but not for the GUI part. Also it only concerns power users which is a waste minority of PC users.

Anthonyd said,
Because of its reputation and the fact that Google is putting Chrome inside all its products that you can install on a Windows PC.
There's a lack for extension supports, yes but not for the GUI part. Also it only concerns power users which is a waste minority of PC users.

I have know many non-power users that are aware of things like ad-blockers and GUi customizers. I dont think addons are exclusive of power users anymore. There are some very popular out there.

sanctified said,

I have know many non-power users that are aware of things like ad-blockers and GUi customizers. I dont think addons are exclusive of power users anymore. There are some very popular out there.


tpl's do the job of ad blocker, sure people might not know but they do.

Most users need one or two plugins, at most, and there's a lot that just cause issues. Browsing for most users is about simple fast site loading.

sanctified said,
With the recent surge of Chrome and the advancements made by Firefox and Safari (In OS X) is the Internet Explorer team considering making easier for developers to make addons and for users to customize the GUI? These two factors are the main reason I think of why IE is losing market share so quickly.

Addons are what make me stick with Chrome. If IE got this level of customization, I'd go back.

sanctified said,
I have know many non-power users that are aware of things like ad-blockers and GUi customizers. I dont think addons are exclusive of power users anymore. There are some very popular out there.
You can use Tracking Protection List as adblocker.

Anthonyd said,
You can use Tracking Protection List as adblocker.

Agree, however shutting down the possibility for users to know about extensions is elitist. Why deny them of that possibility? Writing an extension API is not that difficult. Let the users decide if they will use it or not. The power users will embrace it, the normal users wouldnt even know is there. Let the users know they can extend their experience.

This worked for Chrome. Heck, I've know teenage girls and old ladies who use chrome and install addons.

sanctified said,
Agree, however shutting down the possibility for users to know about extensions is elitist. Why deny them of that possibility? Writing an extension API is not that difficult. Let the users decide if they will use it or not. The power users will embrace it, the normal users wouldnt even know is there. Let the users know they can extend their experience.

This worked for Chrome. Heck, I've know teenage girls and old ladies who use chrome and install addons.

But IE supports extension http://www.iegallery.com/

Anthonyd said,
But IE supports extension http://www.iegallery.com/

But how extensive are they? Those are more like extensions lite. Also MS have not published this capability enough.

The common public perception is that IE is the best browser to download another browser. How can the IE plan to change this perception?

sanctified said,
How can the IE plan to change this perception?
Ask them on the chat.
To me it's by building a powerful & secured product that offers great performance, not by letting the user ****ing up their UI.

Anthonyd said,
Ask them on the chat.
To me it's by building a powerful & secured product that offers great performance

They already have that. People ignore that fact.

I not use a lot of addons in different browsers, apart from Flash and other not visible Addons, in IE I WANT to use only "send to OneNote" and in chrome a G+ notifier.
(I use Firefox too, but only for game toolbars and game scripts. For Adds I use a syystem wide stand alone application). Can I use this "send to OneNote" in IE9.0? not really, because I must enable the command bar all the time. In chrome I have one little icon next to the URL bar. There are much more points in the "usability" that are more than ugly in IE 9.0 and I use primary Chrome now. I want no more plugins or customization, I want a better default GUI. I not tested IE10 on Win8 now, but I saw many screenshots and I guess the GUI is not much better.

DARKFiB3R said,

+1

Customisation and add-ons keep me tied to Firefox.

Tab Mix Plus being at the top of the list of must haves, among quite a few others.

I can be so much more productive with Firefox, because I can get it to do exactly what I want (for the most part).

I'd love to give IE a chance, so please do something about that.

Curious, you cite a plugin for Firefox that is included in the basic functionality of IE9.

The other thing that is strange, is this entire sub-thread pretends like IE doesn't have addon features, which are less used today, but avoids the fact that IE does have addons.

There is less need for addons because of feature integration in IE, like tracking protection and the List options that you use a plugin for in Firefox.

As the internet has grown up, the way sites work and the way browsers work is changing, and as sites become more 'App' like, the need for addons will continue to disappear, as the Internet is changing to work across more devices like phones.

Lastwebpage said,
I not use a lot of addons in different browsers, apart from Flash and other not visible Addons, in IE I WANT to use only "send to OneNote" and in chrome a G+ notifier.
(I use Firefox too, but only for game toolbars and game scripts. For Adds I use a syystem wide stand alone application). Can I use this "send to OneNote" in IE9.0? not really, because I must enable the command bar all the time. In chrome I have one little icon next to the URL bar. There are much more points in the "usability" that are more than ugly in IE 9.0 and I use primary Chrome now. I want no more plugins or customization, I want a better default GUI. I not tested IE10 on Win8 now, but I saw many screenshots and I guess the GUI is not much better.

Right Click - Send to OneNote
(You do not need the command bar enabled.)

Copy and Paste works well too, and there is the 'Linked Note taking' features of OneNote, which is the best way to use OneNote when pulling content from WebSites as it is docked to the screen anyway.

Oh, and you can print to OneNote too when all else fails.

thenetavenger said,

Curious, you cite a plugin for Firefox that is included in the basic functionality of IE9.

The other thing that is strange, is this entire sub-thread pretends like IE doesn't have addon features, which are less used today, but avoids the fact that IE does have addons.

There is less need for addons because of feature integration in IE, like tracking protection and the List options that you use a plugin for in Firefox.

As the internet has grown up, the way sites work and the way browsers work is changing, and as sites become more 'App' like, the need for addons will continue to disappear, as the Internet is changing to work across more devices like phones.


As far as I am aware, IE doesn't have anything even remotly close to the options provided by Tab Mix Plus.

On the contrary, I find the more sites/services I interact with, the more addons I find being useful to me.

I use the web a LOT, so anything that can speed up my interactions, reduce clicks, and genereally make my life easier is very welcome. Anything that restricts what I want to do, and the way I want to do it is shown the door. IE fits into that last catagory for me, unfortunately. I paste my addons list here later, for anybody that's interested.

DARKFiB3R said,

As far as I am aware, IE doesn't have anything even remotly close to the options provided by Tab Mix Plus.

On the contrary, I find the more sites/services I interact with, the more addons I find being useful to me.

I use the web a LOT, so anything that can speed up my interactions, reduce clicks, and genereally make my life easier is very welcome. Anything that restricts what I want to do, and the way I want to do it is shown the door. IE fits into that last catagory for me, unfortunately. I paste my addons list here later, for anybody that's interested.


besides grouping the tabs like IE does, what more would you need?
And as netavenger said, he has a point. I barely have plugins for FF, many people do, just to 'have plugins'. Most are geniunly useless or better off as a seperate application then a browser plugin. Besides the point that FF can come to a complete crawl with the way it implements addons/plugins.

IE has ActiveX, besides changing the GUI (can with added toolbars) you can pretty much do whatever you want for an addon within IE.

Anyways for browsing the web, I often wonder why people need so much in their browser, I barely encounter websites that need plugins other then flash, java or silverlight. Ah well, to each his own.

I got Palemon, ironware, opera and IE9 installed (IE10 on windows8 system, however its font engine is kinda weird sometimes) and no matter what other browser i try, i always fall back o IE after a while.
Just for noticing even chrome is slower, only reason its faster(sometimes), is by pre-rendering. And the difference is not even a second. As I often leave my browser to idle for hours, or days... opening Firefox or Opera after hours, is just so immense slow, Chrome has the same, but less. IE9 is generally available for use almost instantly to me.

With chrome i also still get that at random moment, several tabs just die, they crash. Even if im not using them, its not even 1 tab, its multiple if not all sometimes. IE's tabs crash sometimes, but its self recovery is mostly fast enough that your slowed down for a mere second, and its just 1 tab.
What I also miss, is the control over closed tabs/windows.to reopen them just like they where. right place in tab bar, complete history behind it. Both Chrome and FF lack in this.

thenetavenger said,

Right Click - Send to OneNote

And the other OneNote function? (linked OneNote notes?)
But however, that I must enable this command-bar for one or two plugins is very ugly. Rightclick->Sent to one note? This is not one piece better. Should I post a screenshot from this context-menu? But for things like "mark and open this url" I must use an accelator? I can give you much more examples. The default overall GUI and usability of it force me to use Chrome, not the functionality, missing addons, speed, security or anything else.

DARKFiB3R said,

IE doesn't have anything even remotly close to the options provided by Tab Mix Plus.

Actually, it just shocked me that Firefox doesn't have a default feature to clone a tab unlike IE.
Luckily Ctrl+Shift+T still opens recently closed tabs.

Looks like a pretty useless plugin to me, it's just touting features some of which are already present in Firefox and most of them in IE.

sanctified said,
With the recent surge of Chrome and the advancements made by Firefox and Safari (In OS X) is the Internet Explorer team considering making easier for developers to make addons and for users to customize the GUI? These two factors are the main reason I think of why IE is losing market share so quickly.

i totally agree, Addons and themes and of course a speed boost in terms of Chrome would help IE stay dominant and keep it at the top of the browser wars for a long time