Judge allows Sony to subpoena IPs of visitors to GeoHot's website

Federal magistrate Joseph Spero ruled this week that it was okay for Sony to acquire the IP addresses of visitors who took to George Hotz's, more likely known as GeoHot, website in search of jailbreaking their PlayStation 3 systems. The subpoena the judge has granted to Sony will allow them to amass IPs dating back all the way to January 2009 until present.

George Hotz, famous for jailbreaking the iPhone 3G S and later the PlayStation 3, has been undergoing a lawsuit from the company for a couple of months now. Sony claims that Hotz breached the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) when he posted root keys on his website, allowing others to jailbreak their systems and run homebrew applications. In the last months, rumors grew that Microsoft was funding Hotz's legal defense and Hotz even responded, outside of court, to Sony... in the form of a rap song.

According to Wired, the subpoena mandates that Bluehost, Hotz's website provider, turn over "documents reproducing all server logs, IP address logs, account information, account access records and application or registration forms" as well as "any other identifying information corresponding to persons or computers who have accessed or downloaded files hosted using [Bluehost's] service and associated" with Hotz's website.

Sony stated that the reason they needed the information was two-fold: for one, the company seeks evidence against Hotz's distribution; secondly, Sony needs to decide whether they should try Hotz in San Francisco or back in his home state of New Jersey. The company is hoping that the logs prove many of the downloads came from northern California, making San Francisco a suitable location.

Meanwhile, the judge also granted Sony a subpoena to quite a few of George Hotz's social networks. A subpoena to Google will allow Sony access to Hotz's Blogger account and blog, geohotps3.blogspot.com (which is currently invitation-only). Another subpoena to YouTube orders the IP addresses to anyone who watched the PS3 jailbreak hack video connected to Hotz's account as well as the usernames and IP addresses of people who commented on the video. And a fourth and final subpoena will be sent to Twitter, demanding access to Hotz's tweets in addition to all identifiable information associated with the account.

A hearing on where the court case will be held is expected to take place next month in San Francisco.

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I don't buy Sony products for years infact never did and never will do. They always sucked and they will always suck speaking of which BluRay is the biggest flop. Compared to HD-DVD it is joke.

"Another subpoena to YouTube orders the IP addresses to anyone who watched the PS3 jailbreak hack video connected to Hotz's account as well as the usernames and IP addresses of people who commented on the video. And a fourth and final subpoena will be sent to Twitter, demanding access to Hotz's tweets in addition to all identifiable information associated with the account."

This is disguting.

Where's Anonymous when you need them? Large scale shut down of the Sony networks would be nice right about now.

Jombi said,
Where's Anonymous when you need them? Large scale shut down of the Sony networks would be nice right about now.

Not your personal army.

Ok I've a question. I don't own a ps3 but what if I did and a jailbroke it. But didnt play online, didn't pirate games and just used it for homebrew. For folding or something. Now if sony found out I did this what would they do. Would I be liable? Just because it enabled piracy doesn't mean everyone pirates. I'd originally planned buying a playstation 3 for the whole homebrew but when they took it out I decided not to. And what if I did hack my ps3 and played online, a legit bought copy of a game. Why should I be punished for using a feature they disabled but was always there? Surely my rights to use a product in the way it was purchased to be used is a good arguement. Thats like say, buying a wireless router and netgear releasing an update that disables the wireless, and then, me, unlocking that feature again. My purchase was of a wireless router not just a router. Could they sue me for that? Basically, thats all he did.

IrishEdg3 said,
Ok I've a question. I don't own a ps3 but what if I did and a jailbroke it. But didnt play online, didn't pirate games and just used it for homebrew. For folding or something. Now if sony found out I did this what would they do. Would I be liable? Just because it enabled piracy doesn't mean everyone pirates. I'd originally planned buying a playstation 3 for the whole homebrew but when they took it out I decided not to. And what if I did hack my ps3 and played online, a legit bought copy of a game. Why should I be punished for using a feature they disabled but was always there? Surely my rights to use a product in the way it was purchased to be used is a good arguement. Thats like say, buying a wireless router and netgear releasing an update that disables the wireless, and then, me, unlocking that feature again. My purchase was of a wireless router not just a router. Could they sue me for that? Basically, thats all he did.

Well even if you do not pirate, and I believe there are legitimate people out there who just want to go above and beyond what the manufacturer had in mind for said device, merely applying the hack to the PS3 means that it is completely free of all protection Sony put on it so potentially it could accept unsigned games. Remember, part of the DMCA prohibits reverse-engineering software and makes it illegal to do. Imagine somebody tells you that their whole house is full of stuff that you are free to legitimately take, however, the front door is locked and it is illegal for you to pick/break the lock in order for you to get in. Even though the contents of the house are free to take, getting into the house is illegal.

What Sony is doing is trying to save their arses, even though Geohotz's firmware has now ruined the PS3. Since then I've been playing Black Ops online as well as Killzone 3 and they're full of cheaters.

Personally I think both have valid points.
Geohot wants to bring out what the ps3 can do, which is fine and should be encouraged, but Sony also has a point with what can and can't be done.

Instead of sueing everyone under the sun, Sony should work together with geohot to simply make a better, more secure playstation 4 that is customizable, maybe shipping with a dev kit for 3rd party people to make unsigned apps, but making them at your own risk.

This way everyone wins

People, please calm down and remove your tin-foil hats. The logs will be used so that they can put another nail in the net-neutrality / consumer rights coffin. With the logs, Sony will "prove" that anyone with a PS3 is a thief and security needs to be even more beefed up. Not long now until we see an end to buying games from the stores and them becoming your property. You will have to pay Sony a subscription to play their games and if you cancel, you lose your access to those games, even single player. Mark my words, this will happen sooner rather than later.

How totally criminal, so obviously top Sony people sucking the rear ends of top US politicians with their vacuum packed wallets. I remember that story and may well have looked at his site out of interest, can't remember for sure but then I don't own any game consoles so it was only of passing interest as I have spent decades watching Sony shamelessly stealing money from the pockets of those who were tricked into thinking its products were the holy grail in technology (cough, anyone for a HIFI?). Apple and Dell have much in common with Sony especially when it comes to locking out third parties in the area of accessories so they can charge ridiculous amounts even though they made good margins on the original sale. Makes me realise that although big brother is very much alive and well here in the UK the US is actually 10 times worse. Cheap n' dirty worthless fat cat criminals!

the subpoena mandates that Bluehost, Hotz's website provider, turn over "documents reproducing all server logs, IP address logs, account information, account access records and application or registration forms" as well as "any other identifying information corresponding to persons or computers who have accessed or downloaded files hosted using [Bluehost's] service and associated" with Hotz's website.

I'm pretty sure if they only wanted numbers of downloads, they dont need "any other identifying information"... I think this is a severe breach of privacy. I have never visited his sites, and my playstation has been broken for ages (YLOD), but I certainly won't be supporting sony if they take this aggresive and anti-competetive stance to things...

MrGriggs said,
I can understand them attacking him directly, but what they're doing here should be ****ing illegal...

Absolutely

WOW the PS3 does 'do' every thing even take you to court!! I'm sure there is a hidden Reason for this , I'm sure they will cross reverence IP's they subpoenaed to the IP's that log in to the PSNetwork and ban them!!!(If they do it it will be a BIG CLASS ACTION-law suit) I Clicked on the site ,which was a link from this site...Bad idea i guess...a BiT like geohotz rap.....GEO did say bring it and They brought it to him ...Big time!!! GOOD LUCK GEOHOTZ.....IF you LOOSE...I will smash my PS3...and Post a Vid for you all....But I worry that SONY will sue me!

have fun, Sony already has your money. And anyway its to prove that Geohotz did in fact distribute the hack in california where the file is hosted and not in wherever his computer currently is.

Rudy said,
Not sure what they're planning to do....sue people for visiting a website?

They just want to show the judge how many people saw his site, they aren't going after anyone.

yowan said,
I don't care if they get my IP because they can do nothing with that, their laws are not applicable in my country.

what country? do know many european and several asian countries also have the DMCA.
EU is working on a new DMCA kinda like the eBill in the UK a while ago but even worse
Plus this law will be effective in almost the whole world. as practically every major country will adopt it.

Shadowzz said,

what country? do know many european and several asian countries also have the DMCA.
EU is working on a new DMCA kinda like the eBill in the UK a while ago but even worse
Plus this law will be effective in almost the whole world. as practically every major country will adopt it.

I live in a country where software piracy and corruption are widespread. There is absolutely no law against all this. Even our Gov don't care about that...

Everyone talks about the reason for "jailbraking" the ps3 is to run homebrewed software. Where can one even find it? Is there a site that specializes in it?

I must say I'm suprised this judge has gone so far especially with the 'mobile computer jail-breaking being legal precedent', I have a feeling this judge is not very tech savvy and is most likely being easily sway by no-doubt Sony's superior lawyers-prowess.

helios01 said,
I must say I'm suprised this judge has gone so far especially with the 'mobile computer jail-breaking being legal precedent', I have a feeling this judge is not very tech savvy and is most likely being easily sway by no-doubt Sony's superior lawyers-prowess.

its not about jailbreaking, its about releasing the master keys.

Shadowzz said,

its not about jailbreaking, its about releasing the master keys.

It's about communication how to jail-break then.. he's released the hacks for mobile machines legally. The master key is simply a means to jailbreak the PS3.

I doubt Sony plan to do anything with the IP addresses against the actual visitors. It will most likely be as evidence against the people they are pursuing and maybe also to put fear into your average Jo not to try and find the Jailbreak software.

At the end of the day, this lawsuit changes nothing. Hackers will still be hackers, but more secluded and anonymous in their findings. People who are going to pirate games will still pirate games.
Most useless case ever.

so what about all the people who run stuff like Tor? wouldn't someone else get their IP reported to sony? always wondered how they would deal with that charge the person who ran a proxy with something they didnt do?

Thankfully I don't own a PS3/PSP/etc nor do I want one. Of course they'll get my IP too though, for just checking out what's there on Geohot's site. Sony can suck it, though.

if anyone of you owned Sony, and had this same thing happen to you, you would be ****ed too.... Sony, by law, has to protect investors interests, and easily anyone can see that this is a direct link to piracy. If the master key ONLY gave people access to homebrew updates I guarantee that Sony wouldn't have even worried the slightest.

rippleman said,
if anyone of you owned Sony, and had this same thing happen to you, you would be ****ed too.... Sony, by law, has to protect investors interests, and easily anyone can see that this is a direct link to piracy. If the master key ONLY gave people access to homebrew updates I guarantee that Sony wouldn't have even worried the slightest.

exactly! They never cared for homebrew, even supported it (by allowing to rebuild ur PS1/PS2 to allow all games to run on it, PAL, NTSC, pirated).
Its because people abusing it for piracy that Sony made this illegal and not possible on the PS3.

If it wasnt for people trying to hack the PS3, OtherOS would've never been removed too.

people blame Sony on this, while Sony been good to us Playstation players the past 15 years.

I love how people just jump on the hate (insert w/e company here) bandwagon and not even know why they hate said company lol. Sony doesn't care about you, they are after GeoHot and the number of folks who may have gotten their hands on the private keys to strengthen their case against the up and coming hiphop star.

slayerx02 said,
I love how people just jump on the hate (insert w/e company here) bandwagon and not even know why they hate said company lol. Sony doesn't care about you, they are after GeoHot and the number of folks who may have gotten their hands on the private keys to strengthen their case against the up and coming hiphop star.

Well lawsuit or no lawsuit, Sony as a company is still crap. Look, I am all for protecting intellectual property as I am a content creator myself but this has gone too far and it's just getting sad. Sony has to understand that while they may want to save their beloved, failing 20th century business, desperate attempts such as this will not work, not when every Sony technology seems to be falling apart.

ManOfMystery said,

Well lawsuit or no lawsuit, Sony as a company is still crap. Look, I am all for protecting intellectual property as I am a content creator myself but this has gone too far and it's just getting sad. Sony has to understand that while they may want to save their beloved, failing 20th century business, desperate attempts such as this will not work, not when every Sony technology seems to be falling apart.


Its their project on the line here, they invested billions and billions of USD into the PS project, they spend almost 15 years on it. Would you let it go down the drain by some punk kid like GeoHotz if you'd be in Sony's shoes?

BTW, untill after PS2 launch, Sony supported 'cracking' your console to play oversea's games (was used so much by piracy Sony banned cracking the console, thanks allot)

Shadowzz said,

Its their project on the line here, they invested billions and billions of USD into the PS project, they spend almost 15 years on it. Would you let it go down the drain by some punk kid like GeoHotz if you'd be in Sony's shoes?

BTW, untill after PS2 launch, Sony supported 'cracking' your console to play oversea's games (was used so much by piracy Sony banned cracking the console, thanks allot)


Will you quit spamming the enitre god damn story comment section! You have proved your point, now go away.

Isn't this going too far? Whats next? Start subpoenaing addresses of people who talk ill of Sony? Maybe send them to "work camps"?

Fireyetti said,
Isn't this going too far? Whats next? Start subpoenaing addresses of people who talk ill of Sony? Maybe send them to "work camps"?

SHHHHHHH! don't tell anyone... yet...

I think everyone should visit it. It'd be a way to demonstrate against such tyrannical activity. We're headed towards **** times.

Cool stuff.
I visited his website once, to snoop on all the drama.
I don't pirate. I don't live in the USA. I used a tor node and I'm under 14 proxies.
Come at me, big bro.

People need to read the article and then think a little if they are missing what this is about... Sony isn't looking at the IP's singularly to go after specific people, they are looking at how many people have had potential access to the information to be able to show the courts how damaging this could be to them. If they can show that some odd million of people got the information from him posting it, it will help their case against him. They aren't going after you, or your wife, or your kids, they are only looking for the amount (actual number form, not personal) of people who had possible exposure to the information.

The fact people have been exposed means nothing when its as widespread as this. Accessing or downloading proves nothing. The number who actually acted on the information will be minimal and is highly unlikely to be proven. It is also open to possible manipulation. This serves little other than to to fan the flames even more.

And what does it say if all of a sudden his traffic goes through the roof AFTER Sony announces their suit? Does that mean Sony itself has now aided and abetted this so-called "infringement" by publicizing it?!

Smooth move, Sony. The only winners, as always, are going to be the lawyers.

MASTER260 said,
WAT??????????????????????????????????? It's illegal TO VISIT A WEBSITE NOW??????????????????????????

Some web sites, yes. Not in this case though, they are just trying to determine how many people viewed this guys site so they can use it in court.

MASTER260 said,
WAT??????????????????????????????????? It's illegal TO VISIT A WEBSITE NOW??????????????????????????

Go look up some child porn sites, then call the FBI and inform them of your actions. See what that gets you.

I'm sure they just want the list to cross reference ps3 ip connection with some script to strengthen some cases. They will not be interested in 99% of them.

Andrew Lyle said,
They can HAVE my IP.. I don't even own a PS3, so it's just another useless IP on the list. Good job Sony... Good job.

+1

excalpius said,
Every IP they have to research costs Sony a lot of money.

Just sayin...

its IIS/apache logs, they can easily use tools like awstats to see what IP comes from where, what file etc.etc.
doesnt matter if its 5000 IPs or a million, takes em the same amount of effort.

Shadowzz said,

doesnt matter if its 5000 IPs or a million, takes em the same amount of effort.

Not if their lawyers want to do anything with that data whatsoever it doesn't.

Why not just fix the problem through patches and improvements in their security? Regardless of whether this case comes out in Sony's favor, the PS3 is still a very VERY vulnerable machine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEFMAP0mTvY).

The smart thing to do would be to incentivise your users to find security holes, and allow them to work with you to plug those holes. This would create a circle of trust with Sony, allowing those users with hacker minds to fiddle around with their console as much as they want. Bottom line: Sony should NOT be pushing these people AWAY from their product lines. They should be INVITING them to become familiar with their products and architectures, so that when it comes time to begin R&D for the next generation of products, they know exactly who to look to for security advise. Of course, their own teams and leaders will be the ultimate decider of what advice is taken and what is discarded, but the feedback and knowledge of these hackers should not be thrown away and/or punished.

These companies should be accountable for their actions, or inactions. I think it's healthy for an industry to be in that state -- accountable.

Artanis said,
Why not just fix the problem through patches and improvements in their security? Regardless of whether this case comes out in Sony's favor, the PS3 is still a very VERY vulnerable machine (see [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEFMAP0mTvY]here[/url]).

The smart thing to do would be to incentivise your users to find security holes, and allow them to work with you to plug those holes. This would create a circle of trust with Sony, allowing those users with hacker minds to fiddle around with their console as much as they want. Bottom line: Sony should NOT be pushing these people AWAY from their product lines. They should be INVITING them to become familiar with their products and architectures, so that when it comes time to begin R&D for the next generation of products, they know exactly who to look to for security advise. Of course, their own teams and leaders will be the ultimate decider of what advice is taken and what is discarded, but the feedback and knowledge of these hackers should not be thrown away and/or punished.

These companies should be accountable for their actions, or inactions. I think it's healthy for an industry to be in that state -- accountable.


Problem here is people outside Sony know their private keys. Nothing they do can fix the consoles security.

Einlander said,

Problem here is people outside Sony know their private keys. Nothing they do can fix the consoles security.

Couldn't they just implement a better way to sign their code? From what I understand (and this may be incorrect), the knowledge of the private key allows them to sign their own code, making it indistinguishable from official Sony code etc. If they were to update/improve the encryption algorithm(s), wouldn't that render knowledge of the private key useless?

From what I heard from fail0verflow, their number generator doesn't actually randomly generate anything -- the function simply returns the same number every time it's called. There's a start....

Artanis said,

...

True and as of 3.36 the generator works and they havent been able to hack the firmware itself. But the keys allow the ps3 to see the homebrew as legit games. The only way to fix that is to revoke the current key and render every single already released game as unplayable, which is not an option.

Artanis said,
Why not just fix the problem through patches and improvements in their security? Regardless of whether this case comes out in Sony's favor, the PS3 is still a very VERY vulnerable machine

yeah, i think that Sony should treat the PS3 as the open system that it now is, and start targetting specific hacks which damage the user experience on their network, instead of trying to return it to its closed state

carmatic said,

yeah, i think that Sony should treat the PS3 as the open system that it now is, and start targetting specific hacks which damage the user experience on their network, instead of trying to return it to its closed state


if the console isnt closed, piracy is a major problem, thus income, and thus the future of the Playstation Project. PS1 and PS2 been the best consoles of their generation. PS3 in power is 1-2 generation ahead.
Yes lets lose this great addition to the console world ! hack your PS3's and pirate all the games to help bring down a great console giant

Case and point is android right now. You have people searching the internet for peoples demo/beta games and signing thier apk's and putting it on the market place before the developer. Then there is also the malicious programs that people get from the trusted source which is googles market place. The ps3 is potentialy worse as it sits on your network and has acces tou your computers files and has the cells ability to brute force numbercrunch anything.

IMO an open and unregulated ps3 that has no ability to police itself is a dangerous thing.

Shadowzz said,

if the console isnt closed, piracy is a major problem, thus income, and thus the future of the Playstation Project. PS1 and PS2 been the best consoles of their generation. PS3 in power is 1-2 generation ahead.
Yes lets lose this great addition to the console world ! hack your PS3's and pirate all the games to help bring down a great console giant

you dont get it, this is exactly the opposite of what im saying... there needs to be the 'policing' that you speak of precisely because it is an open system now, we need things in place to stop the malicious hacks and pirated games from getting on the system
kind of like Steam on the PC , with its encrypted content and anti-cheat ....

the ps3 is worse because it sits on our network? unlike our computers which already do and have been through the phase of viruses spreading over LAN , like, 10 years ago?

This is just increasing my hate on Sony, he hacked his OWN console for his own needs. Not Piracy. Sheesh, all this! Even Apple have not yet gone this far over jailbreaking.

TechDudeGeorge said,
This is just increasing my hate on Sony, he hacked his OWN console for his own needs. Not Piracy. Sheesh, all this! Even Apple have not yet gone this far over jailbreaking.

Was it his own needs when he distributed it to the world? Guess not.

TechDudeGeorge said,
This is just increasing my hate on Sony, he hacked his OWN console for his own needs. Not Piracy. Sheesh, all this! Even Apple have not yet gone this far over jailbreaking.

homebrew was an excuse, if your still falling for that your a gullable idiot.

What does getting IP addresses do? I don't even own a PS3 at the moment but I did go to his site just out of curiousity with everything that's been going on...

neufuse said,
dear sony: My IP is 67.165.44.123 and has been for 14 months now... have fun

Would have been better if you had said 64.37.182.61 (sony's)

Fail... Way to assume anyone visiting his website is trying to jailbreak the ps3. What about the people that are interested in the case or something?

Sony must of paid this lawyer very well it he is On something very bad.

back to 2009 huh? Most ISP's only keep their DHCP logs for 6 months, I know Comcast has a 6 month rotation period, so getting identities of people back then would be impossible on most ISP's

neufuse said,
back to 2009 huh? Most ISP's only keep their DHCP logs for 6 months, I know Comcast has a 6 month rotation period, so getting identities of people back then would be impossible on most ISP's

Except for all the people who do not have dynamic IPs.

My sister in law went out to buy a TV a week ago and she wanted to buy a Sony, I talked her out of it not just based on the crap there doing with GeoHot but because there making crappy products plain and simple.

I can't believe the judge actually granted this request, and I hope GeoHots defense lawyers are all over this, if they appeal the decision any appeals court in the country would over turn this based on privacy alone.

If any standard person/lesser company/DA's office issued this subpoena it would be rejected in a heart beat.

acnpt said,
I didn't agree with the jailbreak.....but now I hope Sony end up bankrupt.
Unbelievable actions.

Why would you want the company to go bankrupt? That is a TON of innocent people that will be out a job, and who had nothing to do with this. This is just the company heads being overly aggressive.

Ruran said,

Why would you want the company to go bankrupt? That is a TON of innocent people that will be out a job, and who had nothing to do with this. This is just the company heads being overly aggressive.


theres allot of money at stake at Sony for the entire playstation project, they're just using their anti-piracy budget on this, which is allot cheaper then having the whole Playstation Project going down the drains.
Sony loses sh*tloads of money on playstation, and they cant keep it up if people start pirating their consoles.
Offcourse they're agressive, its piracy which can mean the end for the Playstation project

then we're back in a sega/nintendo age. While Sony was a good addition to the 2 giants (altho sega has been replaced by MS).

Odds are that he's a complete techno illiterate, not corrupt. I'm sure Sony's lawyers sounded very reasonable...but only to a judge who doesn't actually understand any of this.

How many Sony bj's and benjamins has this idiot judge received in order to allow such a ridiculous thing? I am so sick and tired of Sony and their corporate crap. I just want to see them out of business and on the street where they belong. Everything Sony does ultimately fails because of their draconian corporate practices. Are they really that desperate to attack the very people that pay their bills.

Sony hasn't been the company it once was for 20 years. Their TV's are crap, blu-ray players are crap, AV equipment is mediocre at best, their VAIO laptops are horrid and now they are about to further destroy their reputation with this junk.

ManOfMystery said,
How many Sony bj's and benjamins has this idiot judge received in order to allow such a ridiculous thing? I am so sick and tired of Sony and their corporate crap. I just want to see them out of business and on the street where they belong. Everything Sony does ultimately fails because of their draconian corporate practices. Are they really that desperate to attack the very people that pay their bills.

Sony hasn't been the company it once was for 20 years. Their TV's are crap, blu-ray players are crap, AV equipment is mediocre at best, their VAIO laptops are horrid and now they are about to further destroy their reputation with this junk.

I just ordered a £1,300 Sony Vaio Laptop, which comes with a Blu-Ray Burner...

Yay!

Benjy91 said,

I just ordered a £1,300 Sony Vaio Laptop, which comes with a Blu-Ray Burner...

Yay!


Sony still has quality products. PS3 itself already, almost 2 generations ahead at release and still a next-gen console.
Their TV's always been 'awfull' at least if you bought them for picture quality. Its the sound quality you buy a Sony TV for. Want picture quality, buy a philips.

dear $ony feel free to have my ip addresses, i have 8 of them. what you gona do? send the browser police to me. not hacked my ps3's yet but I intend too. my machine i will do as i please with it!

regards

ex $ony customer

affy1977 said,
dear $ony feel free to have my ip addresses, i have 8 of them. what you gona do? send the browser police to me. not hacked my ps3's yet but I intend too. my machine i will do as i please with it!

regards

ex $ony customer


sony aint hunting down who cracked their machines to sue them, they can see who cracked it through their own PSN already and have a more detailed overview
But hey, also a Piracy supporter free games only will improve quality drastically. oh wait

Shadowzz said,

sony aint hunting down who cracked their machines to sue them, they can see who cracked it through their own PSN already and have a more detailed overview
But hey, also a Piracy supporter free games only will improve quality drastically. oh wait

Hey Sony!!! I used to support you but this is the last draw, selling my ps3 and buying a normal blu-ray player

Also switching to apple, at least they don't screw their customers, just lock us down.

Hmm... I might sell my PS3 now.

EDIT: I don't play it much anyways so I could use the extra cash although I'll miss the blu-ray. Then again I only have like 2 discs.

shinji257 said,
Hmm... I might sell my PS3 now.

EDIT: I don't play it much anyways so I could use the extra cash although I'll miss the blu-ray. Then again I only have like 2 discs.

Meh... Bluray is a practically a flop anyway. I would ditch that bulky PS3 in a heartbeat

superconductive said,

Meh... Bluray is a practically a flop anyway. I would ditch that bulky PS3 in a heartbeat


HDTV fanboy?
Bluray is used quite allot in at least Europe, almost completely replaced DVD's out here, DVD's are just used for games/software. movies are all blu-ray
hows that a flop?

Shadowzz said,

Bluray is used quite allot in at least Europe, almost completely replaced DVD's out here

No they haven't.

Shadowzz said,

HDTV fanboy?
Bluray is used quite allot in at least Europe, almost completely replaced DVD's out here, DVD's are just used for games/software. movies are all blu-ray
hows that a flop?

Where I live, barely anyone uses blu-ray. I have a player myself, and own about 3 movies. Do I ever watch them? No. Do I see any difference significant enough to make me want to spend more money on blu-ray? No.

I know of two friends that have blu-ray, at their parent's house, and they can admit that they don't use it. Perhaps it's just cause we're not in Europe, but we have almost the opposite of your situation, except DVD isn't replacing Blu-ray, cause it never lost any ground to it xD

So when even the public libraries in the 5 surrounding towns don't have Blu-rays to rent out, I'd say it's a flop over here.

Neowin's news report led me to his website... which is where i may have clicked his jailbreak link just to see what it was, even though I don't even own a PS3. Should I be sued?
Seems like sony has lost touch with reality.

excalpius said,
I think everybody should go there.

And I mean EVERYBODY in the whole wide techworld...


ye because they care for the actual people who watched? they just using it to see what state visited/downloaded it the most to better suit their court.

GLAD... GLAD I got rid of my PS3, I refuse to buy another Sony product now due to this heavy handed corporatism.

Azies said,
GLAD... GLAD I got rid of my PS3, I refuse to buy another Sony product now due to this heavy handed corporatism.

so you support piracy?
go buy Xbox and cry there, or Wii.
MS cant witch hunt like this, because there dozens of people who know how to hack the Xbox, same with Wii.
for PS3 its just 1 guy who hacked it. Much easier to hunt down.

but hey, rather have an out in the open hacked console with no piracy protection
and end up with a 'marvelous' homebrew only network. that'll increase quality for sure.

Sony can blow me. I don't want to hack their stupid pos (just like 99.999% of everyone else out there) but I still watched the how to video just because I was curious. They need to end this witch hunt. I cant wait to get a 360 so I can throw out this Pile of **** 3. Only game I even liked was GT5.

Is there a law in the US that says that these companies have to keep logs of IP addresses? What if they dont keep logs?

rtire said,
Is there a law in the US that says that these companies have to keep logs of IP addresses? What if they dont keep logs?
No I don't think there is any law like that. I've never heard of one. Problem is that it's a hosting company so it's very likely they have kept logs and they're not going to risk their butts to save geohot. They'll just comply. I'm sure other companies like Twitter and YouTube always have logs.

rtire said,
Is there a law in the US that says that these companies have to keep logs of IP addresses? What if they dont keep logs?

No law...yet. You can bet there will be one eventually. For now though most do still keep logs for various reasons; how long they keep them varies from one ISP to another.

Tim Dawg said,
No I don't think there is any law like that. I've never heard of one. Problem is that it's a hosting company so it's very likely they have kept logs and they're not going to risk their butts to save geohot. They'll just comply. I'm sure other companies like Twitter and YouTube always have logs.

In Europe theres a law like this, 6months iirc (or already changed to 12/24, could still be in discussion)
but iirc the US has a similar law for ISP's to keep track of traffic/IP information.

TRC said,

No law...yet. You can bet there will be one eventually. For now though most do still keep logs for various reasons; how long they keep them varies from one ISP to another.

I hope there is a law soon. Why? Well you hit on it. I want a law that says how long they can keep these records before they must be deleted.

morphen said,
rofl that speedsterguy delete his comment:p

And I was just gonna comment on your comment of his post, cos I read this news about 12 hours ago on TheRegister. But hey, someone probably reported it and got it deleted.

But I can't see Sony doing anything to those that visited the site. I think it's more to see how far the "hack" has been spread, therefore they can hit the initial hackers with harder court cases.

morphen said,
Come get mine! Hell, I'll even tell them mine Aaand, then they can sue me....oh wait, I live in Norway
Not like that will stop them from trying.

negroplasty said,
Sony, you always suck.

For protecting their propery and earned money which is paid to employees? Yeah, they really suck because you can't play games you steal ( = stealig developers money).

theh0g said,

For protecting their propery and earned money which is paid to employees? Yeah, they really suck because you can't play games you steal ( = stealig developers money).

Today I learned that using homebrew applications somehow is equivalent to stealing developers money. Huh. Thanks for the heads up!

theh0g said,

For protecting their propery and earned money which is paid to employees? Yeah, they really suck because you can't play games you steal ( = stealig developers money).

Between the rootkit debacle, removing OtherOS, shutting down Lik-Sang, to suing Aibo hackers, supporting the MPAA and RIAA, making every single thing proprietary from their headphone connectors to MemoryStick to every other goddamn way they screw their customers, I've been boycotting them for well over a decade now. - - pseudolobster - Reddit

FlintyV said,

Between the rootkit debacle, removing OtherOS, shutting down Lik-Sang, to suing Aibo hackers, supporting the MPAA and RIAA, making every single thing proprietary from their headphone connectors to MemoryStick to every other goddamn way they screw their customers, I've been boycotting them for well over a decade now. - - pseudolobster - Reddit

+1 , Exactly. i avoid Sony when i can

losershawn said,

Today I learned that using homebrew applications somehow is equivalent to stealing developers money. Huh. Thanks for the heads up!

Hah yah we all know that the GeoHot jaibreak was to enable homebrew. It accidentally enabled games piracy.

theh0g said,

For protecting their propery and earned money which is paid to employees? Yeah, they really suck because you can't play games you steal ( = stealig developers money).

There's a limit to everything, even protecting your intellectual property. Although the limit is hard to cross for preventing piracy, Sony's been the 1st to officially cross it with this act.

theh0g said,

For protecting their propery and earned money which is paid to employees? Yeah, they really suck because you can't play games you steal ( = stealig developers money).

Capt. Shill to the rescue!!!!!!

FlintyV said,

Between the rootkit debacle, removing OtherOS, shutting down Lik-Sang, to suing Aibo hackers, supporting the MPAA and RIAA, making every single thing proprietary from their headphone connectors to MemoryStick to every other goddamn way they screw their customers, I've been boycotting them for well over a decade now. - - pseudolobster - Reddit


so when you buy products you base it on your personal grudge with the company, rather then basing your deicision on the quality of the product?
must be as shallow as paris hilton.
btw, PS3 can use any headphone that has an USB connector, not just sony's.
Before PS3, you could use 3rd party memory sticks, no need to buy Sony's.
you can change your harddrive in the PS3 on your own choice.
you can do allot more with the PS3 then the xbox or ninentdo's.

but hey, haters b hating

FlintyV said,

Between the rootkit debacle, removing OtherOS, shutting down Lik-Sang, to suing Aibo hackers, supporting the MPAA and RIAA, making every single thing proprietary from their headphone connectors to MemoryStick to every other goddamn way they screw their customers, I've been boycotting them for well over a decade now. - - pseudolobster - Reddit

Yip...I avoid them like the plague as well.

Shadowzz said,
...you can do allot more with the PS3 then the xbox or ninentdo's.

but hey, haters b hating

Yeah I was ****ed when I found out my old xbox 360 hard drive would not work with the new model. So Lame! All to make more money.

Shadowzz said,

Before PS3, you could use 3rd party memory sticks, no need to buy Sony's.

The problem was that Memory Stick itself was a propriatery format. It never did anything better than SD or CompactFlash, as far as I can tell, but it did tend to offer fewer choices and cost more.

Only the fact Sony could shoehorn it into every product they made gave it any more traction than, say, xD cards. Seriously-- what non-Sony productcan you think of that took a SD card but not any other more common type.

Good luck with that heap of IP addresses. I can't see any use for subpoena of those addresses other than to just freak out and otherwise intimidate scene followers. Sony, sometimes you really suck.

Soulsiphon said,
Good luck with that heap of IP addresses. I can't see any use for subpoena of those addresses other than to just freak out and otherwise intimidate scene followers. Sony, sometimes you really suck.
my ip address will be one of them, perhaps. either way, i have never owned a ps3, i'm just a curious person.

Reverse Engineer said,
my ip address will be one of them, perhaps. either way, i have never owned a ps3, i'm just a curious person.

+1

Sony can go frak itself.

Reverse Engineer said,
my ip address will be one of them, perhaps. either way, i have never owned a ps3, i'm just a curious person.
Same here. These logs don't mean jack and any decent lawyer will get it thrown out.

And because IP addresses prove who the person was .
I really wish judges and legal people would understand that you generally cannot trace a specific person based on IP address.

WelshBluebird said,
And because IP addresses prove who the person was .
I really wish judges and legal people would understand that you generally cannot trace a specific person based on IP address.

I'm pretty sure ISP's have logs of what IP was given to what account when (going back a set amount of time).

It's still stupid them being able to get all of this though. I visited his site/blog/youtube account and I don't even own a PS3. I'm just interested in the tech side of it

WelshBluebird said,
And because IP addresses prove who the person was .
I really wish judges and legal people would understand that you generally cannot trace a specific person based on IP address.

I'm pretty sure ISP's have logs of what IP was given to what account when (going back a set amount of time).

It's still stupid them being able to get all of this though. I visited his site/blog/youtube account and I don't even own a PS3. I'm just interested in the tech side of it

WelshBluebird said,
And because IP addresses prove who the person was .
I really wish judges and legal people would understand that you generally cannot trace a specific person based on IP address.
I have a feeling they're just trying to get the location and more specifically the number of unique IP addresses over a given period of time. Nevertheless this is unsettling at best. I'm sure this is Sony going berserk over their alleged intellectual property loss and probably meant to scare the s**t out of anyone who has used geohot's method's or information but in the end I think it just puts Sony in a really bad light. I really liked Sony and their products, now I'm not so sure.

WelshBluebird said,
And because IP addresses prove who the person was .
I really wish judges and legal people would understand that you generally cannot trace a specific person based on IP address.

They arent trying to track the person behind the IP.
The purpose is to show where the IPs are coming from to change where the court case is being held.

Corris said,

They arent trying to track the person behind the IP.
The purpose is to show where the IPs are coming from to change where the court case is being held.
That's what they claim today and tomorrow they use them for just that, and sue them all.

war said,
That's what they claim today and tomorrow they use them for just that, and sue them all.

Provided they can prove I did something wrong. Yes, I went to Geohot's website sometime during 2009 to read up on an iPhone JB/exploit. How does that relate to Sony or the PS hack? Sorry, but things just don't work that way.