Judge allows Sony to subpoena IPs of visitors to GeoHot's website

Federal magistrate Joseph Spero ruled this week that it was okay for Sony to acquire the IP addresses of visitors who took to George Hotz's, more likely known as GeoHot, website in search of jailbreaking their PlayStation 3 systems. The subpoena the judge has granted to Sony will allow them to amass IPs dating back all the way to January 2009 until present.

George Hotz, famous for jailbreaking the iPhone 3G S and later the PlayStation 3, has been undergoing a lawsuit from the company for a couple of months now. Sony claims that Hotz breached the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) when he posted root keys on his website, allowing others to jailbreak their systems and run homebrew applications. In the last months, rumors grew that Microsoft was funding Hotz's legal defense and Hotz even responded, outside of court, to Sony... in the form of a rap song.

According to Wired, the subpoena mandates that Bluehost, Hotz's website provider, turn over "documents reproducing all server logs, IP address logs, account information, account access records and application or registration forms" as well as "any other identifying information corresponding to persons or computers who have accessed or downloaded files hosted using [Bluehost's] service and associated" with Hotz's website.

Sony stated that the reason they needed the information was two-fold: for one, the company seeks evidence against Hotz's distribution; secondly, Sony needs to decide whether they should try Hotz in San Francisco or back in his home state of New Jersey. The company is hoping that the logs prove many of the downloads came from northern California, making San Francisco a suitable location.

Meanwhile, the judge also granted Sony a subpoena to quite a few of George Hotz's social networks. A subpoena to Google will allow Sony access to Hotz's Blogger account and blog, geohotps3.blogspot.com (which is currently invitation-only). Another subpoena to YouTube orders the IP addresses to anyone who watched the PS3 jailbreak hack video connected to Hotz's account as well as the usernames and IP addresses of people who commented on the video. And a fourth and final subpoena will be sent to Twitter, demanding access to Hotz's tweets in addition to all identifiable information associated with the account.

A hearing on where the court case will be held is expected to take place next month in San Francisco.

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Everyone talks about the reason for "jailbraking" the ps3 is to run homebrewed software. Where can one even find it? Is there a site that specializes in it?

yowan said,
I don't care if they get my IP because they can do nothing with that, their laws are not applicable in my country.

what country? do know many european and several asian countries also have the DMCA.
EU is working on a new DMCA kinda like the eBill in the UK a while ago but even worse
Plus this law will be effective in almost the whole world. as practically every major country will adopt it.

Shadowzz said,

what country? do know many european and several asian countries also have the DMCA.
EU is working on a new DMCA kinda like the eBill in the UK a while ago but even worse
Plus this law will be effective in almost the whole world. as practically every major country will adopt it.

I live in a country where software piracy and corruption are widespread. There is absolutely no law against all this. Even our Gov don't care about that...

Rudy said,
Not sure what they're planning to do....sue people for visiting a website?

They just want to show the judge how many people saw his site, they aren't going after anyone.

WOW the PS3 does 'do' every thing even take you to court!! I'm sure there is a hidden Reason for this , I'm sure they will cross reverence IP's they subpoenaed to the IP's that log in to the PSNetwork and ban them!!!(If they do it it will be a BIG CLASS ACTION-law suit) I Clicked on the site ,which was a link from this site...Bad idea i guess...a BiT like geohotz rap.....GEO did say bring it and They brought it to him ...Big time!!! GOOD LUCK GEOHOTZ.....IF you LOOSE...I will smash my PS3...and Post a Vid for you all....But I worry that SONY will sue me!

have fun, Sony already has your money. And anyway its to prove that Geohotz did in fact distribute the hack in california where the file is hosted and not in wherever his computer currently is.

MrGriggs said,
I can understand them attacking him directly, but what they're doing here should be ****ing illegal...

Absolutely

superbeam said,
http://geohot.com/

Theres the site. I suggest everyone in Europe to visit it and **** up the huge list of IPs.

I just did (Europe here)


lets keep this battle in the US please, as it'd be much easier nowadays in the EU.

Considering retards like BREIN can take down FTD and others in holland already

the subpoena mandates that Bluehost, Hotz's website provider, turn over "documents reproducing all server logs, IP address logs, account information, account access records and application or registration forms" as well as "any other identifying information corresponding to persons or computers who have accessed or downloaded files hosted using [Bluehost's] service and associated" with Hotz's website.

I'm pretty sure if they only wanted numbers of downloads, they dont need "any other identifying information"... I think this is a severe breach of privacy. I have never visited his sites, and my playstation has been broken for ages (YLOD), but I certainly won't be supporting sony if they take this aggresive and anti-competetive stance to things...

How totally criminal, so obviously top Sony people sucking the rear ends of top US politicians with their vacuum packed wallets. I remember that story and may well have looked at his site out of interest, can't remember for sure but then I don't own any game consoles so it was only of passing interest as I have spent decades watching Sony shamelessly stealing money from the pockets of those who were tricked into thinking its products were the holy grail in technology (cough, anyone for a HIFI?). Apple and Dell have much in common with Sony especially when it comes to locking out third parties in the area of accessories so they can charge ridiculous amounts even though they made good margins on the original sale. Makes me realise that although big brother is very much alive and well here in the UK the US is actually 10 times worse. Cheap n' dirty worthless fat cat criminals!

People, please calm down and remove your tin-foil hats. The logs will be used so that they can put another nail in the net-neutrality / consumer rights coffin. With the logs, Sony will "prove" that anyone with a PS3 is a thief and security needs to be even more beefed up. Not long now until we see an end to buying games from the stores and them becoming your property. You will have to pay Sony a subscription to play their games and if you cancel, you lose your access to those games, even single player. Mark my words, this will happen sooner rather than later.

Personally I think both have valid points.
Geohot wants to bring out what the ps3 can do, which is fine and should be encouraged, but Sony also has a point with what can and can't be done.

Instead of sueing everyone under the sun, Sony should work together with geohot to simply make a better, more secure playstation 4 that is customizable, maybe shipping with a dev kit for 3rd party people to make unsigned apps, but making them at your own risk.

This way everyone wins

Ok I've a question. I don't own a ps3 but what if I did and a jailbroke it. But didnt play online, didn't pirate games and just used it for homebrew. For folding or something. Now if sony found out I did this what would they do. Would I be liable? Just because it enabled piracy doesn't mean everyone pirates. I'd originally planned buying a playstation 3 for the whole homebrew but when they took it out I decided not to. And what if I did hack my ps3 and played online, a legit bought copy of a game. Why should I be punished for using a feature they disabled but was always there? Surely my rights to use a product in the way it was purchased to be used is a good arguement. Thats like say, buying a wireless router and netgear releasing an update that disables the wireless, and then, me, unlocking that feature again. My purchase was of a wireless router not just a router. Could they sue me for that? Basically, thats all he did.

IrishEdg3 said,
Ok I've a question. I don't own a ps3 but what if I did and a jailbroke it. But didnt play online, didn't pirate games and just used it for homebrew. For folding or something. Now if sony found out I did this what would they do. Would I be liable? Just because it enabled piracy doesn't mean everyone pirates. I'd originally planned buying a playstation 3 for the whole homebrew but when they took it out I decided not to. And what if I did hack my ps3 and played online, a legit bought copy of a game. Why should I be punished for using a feature they disabled but was always there? Surely my rights to use a product in the way it was purchased to be used is a good arguement. Thats like say, buying a wireless router and netgear releasing an update that disables the wireless, and then, me, unlocking that feature again. My purchase was of a wireless router not just a router. Could they sue me for that? Basically, thats all he did.

Well even if you do not pirate, and I believe there are legitimate people out there who just want to go above and beyond what the manufacturer had in mind for said device, merely applying the hack to the PS3 means that it is completely free of all protection Sony put on it so potentially it could accept unsigned games. Remember, part of the DMCA prohibits reverse-engineering software and makes it illegal to do. Imagine somebody tells you that their whole house is full of stuff that you are free to legitimately take, however, the front door is locked and it is illegal for you to pick/break the lock in order for you to get in. Even though the contents of the house are free to take, getting into the house is illegal.

What Sony is doing is trying to save their arses, even though Geohotz's firmware has now ruined the PS3. Since then I've been playing Black Ops online as well as Killzone 3 and they're full of cheaters.

Where's Anonymous when you need them? Large scale shut down of the Sony networks would be nice right about now.

Jombi said,
Where's Anonymous when you need them? Large scale shut down of the Sony networks would be nice right about now.

Not your personal army.

"Another subpoena to YouTube orders the IP addresses to anyone who watched the PS3 jailbreak hack video connected to Hotz's account as well as the usernames and IP addresses of people who commented on the video. And a fourth and final subpoena will be sent to Twitter, demanding access to Hotz's tweets in addition to all identifiable information associated with the account."

This is disguting.

I don't buy Sony products for years infact never did and never will do. They always sucked and they will always suck speaking of which BluRay is the biggest flop. Compared to HD-DVD it is joke.

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