Judge Rules Internet Spying Illegal

In a case brought against the Department of Justice by the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Security Archive and the Electronic Privacy Information Center, Judge Victor Marrero, of the District of Columbia, has determined that the rules under the Patriot Act that allowed the FBI to secretly request telephone, internet and email logs without applying for a warrant are barred by the constitution. Judge Marrero stated that the this practice offended constitutional principles of checks and balances, violated the guarantee of free speech, and that the FBI's justifications were "wholly inadequate." Additionally, the judge concluded that the government would also have to hand over evidence requested on under the Freedom of Information act or explain why it would not.

"Today's ruling deals a blow to the administration's sweeping and often unfounded secrecy claims," said Nasrina Bargzie, an attorney with the National Security Project at the American Civil Liberties Union. "When documents are withheld under the Freedom of Information Act, the government must have a better excuse for keeping the documents secret than 'because we said so'."

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While I agree with the ruling, it wouldn't bother me too much if it wasn't overturned. Everyone is way the hell too paranoid. The government doesn't get off listening in on random people's lives. If you've done no wrong, none of this will affect you whether they need a warrant or not.

-Spenser

If you've done no wrong, none of this will affect you whether they need a warrant or not.

You really don't see what's wrong with that do you? Sad...

Try reading the constitution before blindly giving up your rights because "you've done nothing wrong anyway". Maybe this won't affect you but it's a step closer to giving up even more of your privacy and personal rights. Hey let the cops just do a random search of your car or home anytime they want, after all you've done nothing wrong. Right?

Maybe some of the above posters should read the piece about Anonymous commenting and should apply it to a registered user.

" Anonymous commenting is disabled in order to "keep the quality of responses to a high standard"

The ACLU is really only causing people trouble; that and they want to get rid of any religion that is out in public.

That's all they've ever really done. Once 'everyone', minorities and all, had the same legal rights and laws governing them, the ACLU should've been banished. As of late, it's only become a 'white-bashing', 'anti-religion if your religion ain't mine' organization.

heres a nice quote...

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin

damn good quote! ... screw people who change our damn laws in the name of "terror" ... i aint willing to give up rights etc etc just so the gov can get more power to basically shaft it's own people pretty much.

I don't think this will change anything in all honesty. All they'd have to do is find another way to go about doing it. People act as if this is a brand new thing the government is doing. It's been going on for years now. When people try to talk about this type of stuff in the media what usually happens? They're made to look like paranoid conspiracy theorists and anything they say is pushed to the side to be forgotten.

It's pretty hard to fight against something that you can't see.

NightmarE D said,
I don't think this will change anything in all honesty. All they'd have to do is find another way to go about doing it. People act as if this is a brand new thing the government is doing. It's been going on for years now. When people try to talk about this type of stuff in the media what usually happens? They're made to look like paranoid conspiracy theorists and anything they say is pushed to the side to be forgotten.

It's pretty hard to fight against something that you can't see.

Absolutely correct...they were doing "sneak & peak" invasions without warrants long before they were legalized in the "Patriot Act".

Most people have no idea what is going on beyond the sound-bytes they hear on TV, which they treat as gospel...

As far as my endorsement of Dr. Ron Paul, I've been aware of his views and record in Congress for many years now and I'm amazed that such a man has made it this far into the primary system...too bad he'll be labeled a simpleton and probably a conspiracy theory wacko by the mainstream media, he'll be ignored by the electorate when he probably the first person able to occupy the office of President since JFK that actually cares about America and "We the People".

Zatoichi said,

Clinton proved that.
Zatoichi said,
Absolutely correct...they were doing "sneak & peak" invasions without warrants long before they were legalized in the "Patriot Act".

Clinton did that too.
Zatoichi said,
Most people have no idea what is going on beyond the sound-bytes they hear on TV, which they treat as gospel...

As far as my endorsement of Dr. Ron Paul, I've been aware of his views and record in Congress for many years now and I'm amazed that such a man has made it this far into the primary system...too bad he'll be labeled a simpleton and probably a conspiracy theory wacko by the mainstream media, he'll be ignored by the electorate when he probably the first person able to occupy the office of President since JFK that actually cares about America and "We the People".

We need a referendum to abolish the current government and laws and establish new members and laws. Both should expire after a period of time, non-negotiable. You can't have progress when old farts and old laws dictate and orchestrate lives... and run things.

Master Shake said,
Awesome.


I am so disgusted by our government.

im disgusted by any government, including mine sadly

ozzieXP said,

im disgusted by any government, including mine sadly :(

You are all more than welcome to move to another country where your choice to be disgusted with government has been taken away from you and you are only allowed the choice to accept things, and saying things like you've said will result in your untimely demise.

tracy lords army said,
You are all more than welcome to move to another country where your choice to be disgusted with government has been taken away from you and you are only allowed the choice to accept things, and saying things like you've said will result in your untimely demise.

Yeah, I bet you were singing the same tune during the Clinton years, right?

tracy lords army said,
You are all more than welcome to move to another country where your choice to be disgusted with government has been taken away from you and you are only allowed the choice to accept things, and saying things like you've said will result in your untimely demise.

well what i mean is that all governments are the same at the end. believe me if i could go to mars i would have done it a long time ago

4tehlulz said,

Yeah, I bet you were singing the same tune during the Clinton years, right?

eh... huh?
I guess I was 'singing' the same tune. Clinton didn't do anything special, other than eavesdrop on American citizens... and other things you already know about. I've been singing the same tune since before I was born and the American 'democracy' stopped being what it was supposed to be.... but then you don't know about that.

As a "law and order" conservative (NOT a Republican), I'm glad this was overturned.
ANY information requested by ANY law enforcement agency should be obtained by
a search warrant, regardless of the reason.

I'll remember that if it should happen that I break into your house and have me on camera doing the deed- 'cause if law enforcement doesn't have a warrant for it then they can't use it as evidence regardless of the reason- even if that reason is 'you have me on tape'.
But I wonder, how does law enforcement get a warrant? Doesn't that have something to do with 'reasons'?
Maybe I'm misinformed, but your comment seems oxymoronic. Please elaborate on what you meant.

This will get overturned in the Second Circuit and Marrero knows this! This is just a ploy for an individual judge to wash his hands so a semi-anonymous group can diffuse responsibility.

Federal judges ALWAYS go with the government position, unless it can be dealt with at the appellate level - It's been this way going back 25 years now following the advent of *SUPRA-BIG* government and the Global Elites' takeover during the Reagan years under GHW Bush's direction. Clinton followed this trend more or less of course we can all see what's happened over the last 7 years.

Most of these judges just want to be worshiped, although they really don't give one blip about a common law document like the USCON, it's all about the Emergency Powers baby!

Without that you don't get undeclared wars, out-of-control government spending & growth, torture and repealing "rights" into gov't. controlled privileges.

Most sheeple don't have a clue as to how the system works and probably believe every sound-byte regurgitated by brain-dead "reporters"...this judge will probably get some nice ACLU sponsored junkets to the Caribbean and/or Hawaii out of this decision

EDIT: Of course this will get kicked-up to the Supreme Court, where the USGOV can use the situation to establish precedent (do you think the same court that threw out private property rights will stop the march of the SS troops? )

Wake-up and smell the fascism folks!!!

Ron Paul 2008!

4tehlulz said,
-1 for using the word "sheeple"

What word would you use for the electorate that keeps insanely voting for democrats & republicans hoping they'll do the right thing, when obviously they're incapable of doing anything but making things worse?

Zatoichi said,
Wake-up and smell the fascism folks!!!
Ron Paul 2008!

Great. Another first year political science student who thinks he's better than everybody else.

Zatoichi said,
What word would you use for the electorate that keeps insanely voting for democrats & republicans hoping they'll do the right thing, when obviously they're incapable of doing anything but making things worse? :huh:

There seems to be the word we've been calling ourselves for some time now. What was it again? It's right on the tip of my tongue...People! That's it! Yeah, we call ourselves people. You were close.

Eis said,

Great. Another first year political science student who thinks he's better than everybody else.

There seems to be the word we've been calling ourselves for some time now. What was it again? It's right on the tip of my tongue...People! That's it! Yeah, we call ourselves people. You were close.

Uh huh...keep trying there bubs,

I left the political process probably before you were born, when I found out just how corrupt it actually is in the USA.

Personally I think sheeple fits the electorate better than "people", because if they were human they would have reared up on their two legs lonnnggg-ago and put a stop to the insanity that the politicos in the District of Criminals have been engaging in for the last couple of decades...

Perhaps I expect too much from the human race, as evidenced to the replies to my succinct and accurate post...

P.S. I actually work as a reporter and have covered such nonsense up close & personal, so get back to me when you have some first-hand experience, K?

Zatoichi said,
Personally I think sheeple fits the electorate better than "people", because if they were human

This summaries why you shouldn't be taken seriously. Not meeting your political expectations does not make someone subhuman.

Zatoichi said,
Perhaps I expect too much from the human race, as evidenced to the replies to my succinct and accurate post...

Apparently. We're all just the scum on the bottom of your boot. None of us are worthy to even walk in your shadow almighty accurate poster of complete truth.
Zatoichi said,
P.S. I actually work as a reporter and have covered such nonsense up close & personal, so get back to me when you have some first-hand experience, K? ;)

As much as I'd love to get back to you when you tell me to, that would make me a, what would be the term, 'sheerson'? So, I'll get back to you now.

You claim to be someone fighting for our rights. Our freedoms. Right? I mean, isn't that what you were trying to say through your supposed 'brief' lecture?

If that's what you're trying to do, I get it. I'm totally with you, almighty accurate Zatoichi.

Unfortunately you don't know how to spread the word very well--Let alone get people to act on your and their own behalf. All you do is provoke people. You call indirectly call them idiots, you directly call them 'sheeple' (that's just stupid, by the way), and you then constantly explain how you're right, there's absolutely no doubt you're right, and any debate in the matter makes them even more stupid.

So, why would I listen to you?

Zatoichi said,

What word would you use for the electorate that keeps insanely voting for democrats & republicans hoping they'll do the right thing, when obviously they're incapable of doing anything but making things worse? :huh:

The word I would use is "Democrats".

Eis said,

Apparently. We're all just the scum on the bottom of your boot. None of us are worthy to even walk in your shadow almighty accurate poster of complete truth.

As much as I'd love to get back to you when you tell me to, that would make me a, what would be the term, 'sheerson'? So, I'll get back to you now.

You claim to be someone fighting for our rights. Our freedoms. Right? I mean, isn't that what you were trying to say through your supposed 'brief' lecture?

If that's what you're trying to do, I get it. I'm totally with you, almighty accurate Zatoichi.

Unfortunately you don't know how to spread the word very well--Let alone get people to act on your and their own behalf. All you do is provoke people. You call indirectly call them idiots, you directly call them 'sheeple' (that's just stupid, by the way), and you then constantly explain how you're right, there's absolutely no doubt you're right, and any debate in the matter makes them even more stupid.

So, why would I listen to you?

I didn't ask you to listen, I didn't claim to be "fighting for our rights" (as that would be a collosal waste of time since the battle was lost before I was born) and I usually refrain from commenting on public boards at all since it serves no purpose IMHO.

Furthermore, I adamantly apologize for my voicing my hatred of a system that is in the process of protecting/enriching the Supra-Elite and strip-mining the planet, please excuse me.

Every once in awhile I forget about reality and daydream about a planet where we all get along, reward based on contributions to the stream of life and share resources based on need.

In other words I was born about 2000 years too early

Zatoichi said,
I didn't ask you to listen, I didn't claim to be "fighting for our rights" (as that would be a collosal waste of time since the battle was lost before I was born)

So in other words, you're a troll who thinks that nothing can be done to change things, but like to complain about the untermenschen sheeple that won't rise up against them.

Of course, this is exactly the attitude that those you despise count on to maintain their power. I'm sure they approve of your posts.

4tehlulz said,

So in other words, you're a troll who thinks that nothing can be done to change things, but like to complain about the untermenschen sheeple that won't rise up against them.

Of course, this is exactly the attitude that those you despise count on to maintain their power. I'm sure they approve of your posts.

Listen, I used to care...no, really I did!

Up until about 1998 I was part of a consortium of speakers that traveled around speaking to people about the erosion of our rights and the rise of the Fatherland system of control...

For the most part people could care less, as long as they were getting theirs (a sixpack with Monday night football) they were happy as pigs in, well you know.

THAT'S what the Supra-Elite and their puppets in the DemoRAT/GOPher system "count on to maintain their power" (i.e. an apathatic, dumbed-down electorate).

I could go into my background to perhaps further explain to you how I came to the conclusions I have, but you'd probably find it too fantastical and just try to slander me...

Let's just say, at this point in my life I'm just trying to stay out of the laser focus of the gubermint thugs so I can live out the rest of my life in relative peace.

If I had children I would feel entirely different about the situation, but thankfully I don't have that concern.

So go ahead, make a difference and do your best. I'll be cheering you on

IMHO the last chance I can see on the horizon is Dr. Ron Paul, so what do have to you say about the good Doctor from Texas?