Kevin Rose: iPhone 3.0 to have copy and paste

With more rumors and news coming down the pipes it is hard to distinguish between fact and fiction with unofficial iPhone announcements. According to Kevin Rose, the iPhone 3.0 will be able to copy and paste. The Diggnation event in Austin, Texas was the meeting grounds for Kevin Rose to confirm the iPhone 3.0 firmware will include copy and paste.

Other rumors about requested features in the 3.0 firmware including background applications, recorded video support and MMS were all confirmed that they will not be in the 3.0 firmware release.

The announcement also said that Apple will bring the iPhone to the Palm Pre level to rival the competition. During the announcement, it was mentioned that what apple has planned will wipe away any advantages that the Palm Pre holds over the iPhone.

More news about the iPhone 3.0 firmware is to be released this Tuesday March 17, 2009 in an event from Apple to showcase the new 3.0 firmware. No mention of a new iPhone was mentioned during the Diggnation announcement.

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The iPhone has the ability to do backgrounding; if you jailbreak your phone you can enable backgrounding applications. For example, I am logged into MSN using BeejiveIM as well as Facebook Chat using the Facebook Application at all times, and if a IM or chat comes though it vibrates and lets me know as if it was a text message for example. It's great.

recorded video support and MMS were all confirmed that they will not be in the 3.0 firmware release.

This is dumb... nothing has been confirmed, just because Kevin says it it doesn't mean it's confirmed...
I doubt they will give it a full revision number (3.0) just to enable copy and paste... there has got to be more than just that... we'll see when it comes out tomorrow.

Wow reading the comments here i think Apple should not have made cut and paste possible for the iPhone.

Seriously anti-apple and anti-ms neowin posters need to go away.

Nobody said it was revolutionary or anything else. It's a feature added to the iPhone that should have been there since the beginning but nothing more. Most people posting here don't even have an iPhone anyway.

Cut and paste on phones is over rated just because the iPhone doesn't have it. It's a phone. Not a PDA. If you want more from your phone get a Blackberry i've never seen the iPhone as a phone for business. It's a overpriced sexy phone for the people who likes to be cool. I really don't see someone who needs power user features from his phone buying an iPhone to begin with.

Most news on neowin these days are filled with trolls saying stupid things. It's sad. Really.

But it *is* a PDA. It's just got a phone, too. Apple themselves said it was "revolutionary" on the product page!

http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/

And like the original iPhone, it combines three products in one — a revolutionary phone, a widescreen iPod, and a breakthrough Internet device with rich HTML email and a desktop-class web browser.

LaP said,


I try to find revolutionary cut and paste in your post but sadly i can't ...


I'm not sure what you mean? Search the page for "revolutionary". It's right in the middle.

I agree, it is obserd.

I wish there was a Q&A with whoever is making these decisions @ Apple so we can find out why on earth they aren't integrating what the consumer wants!

[...]MMS were all confirmed that they will not be in the 3.0 firmware release.

This is stupid beyond no end! MMS is a very popular service and basically a standard with today's mobile communication, yet, they insist on not integrating it within their firmware; just obserd.

opensuse said,
how is mms better than email?

Because not everyone has a phone capable of receiving email, and on top of that, most of the people I know who do don't tend to bother with setting up their email on it.

If I send someone an MMS, I can be sure they'll see it when they next pick up their phone. If I send someone a picture via email, I have no idea when they'll see it - it might not be for a few days.

I have an iPhone, but it should have MMS. It's easy to argue that email is better, and in many aspects it is, but MMS is such a simple thing there's really no need for it not to be there. It's not like it's a major new feature which would be really difficult for Apple to implement.

opensuse said,
how is mms better than email?

It's not better. It's different and they in many ways have different purposes. Until such a time that the majority of mobile users are on data plans that are actively connected at all times MMS will still have a place.

There not going to let background apps run.
Just 1 program that picks up notifications.

So we're getting copy and paste and nothing else? lol Great.

I think the problem they'll run into while using background applications is the memory usage, if you jail break your iPhone, you can get stuff like SBsettings which will show the memory usage, and it's not much.

I doubt background apps will be allowed unless Apple releases new hardware. There just isn't enough RAM in current phones to deal with multiple apps running at the same time. The Palm Pre has 192MB of RAM whereas the iPhone (2007 & 3G) only have 128MB. Perhaps if Apple bumps the RAM up to 192 or 256MB, we might see that feature, but it's unlikely otherwise.

Also, I think that were background apps allowed, they would probably be restricted to a small subset of apps due to potential memory leaks. We must remember that it's a phone first in the eyes of the consumer, not a mini computer. Crashing apps would bring the usability factor down in no time.

Nah ..... i'll never fully approve on the iphone without background apps..... give me a winmo phone or the upcoming pre anytime.

Jailbroken phones can use the "Backgrounder" app, which allows you to set up apps that are allowed to run in the background, and enable/disable backgrounding by holding the home button for a couple of seconds. It's worked pretty flawless for me so far, apart from the fact that the iPhone really doesn't have memory for more than one app at a time. I just mainly use it to listen to internet radio (FStream) while browsing the web while on the bus. Sometimes it works, sometimes Safari needs all the RAM to load a bigger website, and FStream closes, but it doesn't happen that often.

s3n4te said,
Cut and Paste invented in 1974...

This would not prevent Apple from patenting it and saying Microsoft stole this "feature".

RealFduch said,
This would not prevent Apple from patenting it and saying Microsoft stole this "feature".

Be intelligent. They would never patent something like this. Copy & Paste is something that anybody would have thought about somehow. As in, if computers exist on any other planet, you can be sure they have a function that does exactly what copy & paste does.

Their patents are far more original than this.

PsykX said,
Be intelligent. They would never patent something like this.

Yeah I think 99.9% of the intelligent technical population might have thought the same on MULTITOUCH, but boy were we all wrong.

Lawrence G. Tesler (Larry Tesler) first transferred "cut and paste" into the context of computer-based text-editing while working at Xerox Corporation Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) in 1974-1975.[1]
Apple Computer widely popularized the computer-based cut-and-paste paradigm through the Lisa (1981) and Macintosh (1984) operating systems and applications. Apple mapped the functionalities to key-combinations consisting of a special modifier key held down while typing the letters X (for cut), C (for copy), and V (for paste), choosing a handful of keyboard sequences to control basic editing operations. The keys involved all cluster together at the left end of the bottom row of the standard QWERTY keyboard, and each key is combined with a control or special modifier key to perform the desired operation:
Z to undo
X to cut
C to copy
V to paste

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut,_copy,_and_paste#History

PureLegend said,
On phones.


Yea it has been on phones since about 1995. It's new and special for the iPhone but it's something that us WinMo users have enjoyed for those 10 years.

MMS is old, bad and has its specific $ costs. If you want to send something to someone, just use e-mail. It would be a move backwards.

Tethering would be nice too, but Apple will not create a problem with the phone operators. :S

Their uses are pretty different. MMS files must be very low res and so, multimedia files with really bad quality are not important. This is MMS. But SMS is text and text will always be... text.

That's a great solution...for those who only send files to other iPhone users.
MMS is a bit of a stop-gap between SMS and email, but many phones out there support MMS while not supporting email. There's absolutely no technical reason why the iPhone can't at least have the option for it and let the user decide if they want it or not.

Yes. But we`re talking about Apple, not Nokia or Samsung. The iPhone brought many customers that would never buy Apple. Like me, for instance. Now we have to live their way if we want the product. But personally in this matter, I don`t really think it would be nice to use MMS. It is a poor, incompatible technology even for old phones. It would be like, selling new motherboards with a phone line modem "just in case you may need it".

Luis Mazza said,
Yes. But we`re talking about Apple, not Nokia or Samsung. The iPhone brought many customers that would never buy Apple. Like me, for instance. Now we have to live their way if we want the product. But personally in this matter, I don`t really think it would be nice to use MMS. It is a poor, incompatible technology even for old phones. It would be like, selling new motherboards with a phone line modem "just in case you may need it".

Except you'd be surprised how many cheap OEM PCs come with a softmodem, because Grandma has her AOL dial-up and is unwilling to change. Ever.

I bet those grandmas would never buy an iPhone and maybe she never heard of MMS. Although they would also never buy a new cellphone because their daughter gave them one 8 years ago and she still uses the brick. LOL

As above there is absolutely NO reason why MMS should not be supported. Until such a time Apple has a larger market share than the other companies then it is Apple that is breaking the compatibility with other handsets in regards to the ability to send visual messages to other people, not MMS. How infact is MMS an "incompatible technology" anyway...it's been working here for me between my friends for years over numerous handsets from numerous brands.

The simple fact is that in many countries the number of people using email on their phone is very low. Saying this is how it should be because it's an Apple device and thus it should be done the "Apple way" is a rather stupid argument for what is supposed to be a communications device to allow people to communicate with people using other handsets.

The option SHOULD be there by default.

Also the two technologies function in different ways too. Emails predominantly a pull based technology where MMS is PUSH in that it typically gets to them immediately. If I'm out and need to get a message to someone immediately I'd have to hope they have their email set to update very frequently otherwise I have to follow up each email with a call asking them to do another retrieve. MMS typically will go straight to the handset so yes, theres other times where MMS may be useful too.

Edit: And no, I'm not saying email doesn't have a place but by the fact so many people want MMS support it's a clear indication there is a desire for people to use this feature to communicate with others. Having the choice is hardly a bad thing, especially in locations where always on Data accounts are not yet common amongst users.

I still keep saying that MMS is bad. Actually it`s HORRIBLE and old and should be abolished entirely and replaced by better technology that already exists. Apple is about to add PUSH to the device and that will definitely kill MMS for good on modern devices.
That is not because everyone uses old technology that it should be supported. The "Apple way" is perfectly fine in this matter because if it was not for companies like these, people would still be using Windows 98 because "it`s fine". New tech must be pushed to customers because they don`t always know what they will prefer.
Thus if you`re so full of yourself and arguments, you should replace the company board because you seem to be brilliant. :S

Email is "HORRIBLE and old" too, in fact it's way older than MMS and has it's fair share of problems (viruses, spam, etc). Until the majority of phones out there have free data with email capabilities, then MMS is still the best way of getting a photo from one phone to another, even if it is low res, but what exactly would be the point of a high-res photo to be displayed on a small phone screen anyway?

E-mail is not horrible because it`s around us for a long time and has been updated since then. If you guys want the damn MMS, buy yourself an old phone or wait for a competitor iPhone clone, because THANK`S GOD this is not going to be available in the Apple phone. LOL . I`m done with you guys.

Luis Mazza said,
That is not because everyone uses old technology that it should be supported. The "Apple way" is perfectly fine in this matter because if it was not for companies like these, people would still be using Windows 98 because "it`s fine".

No instead we have a scenario where in many countries it likely isn't viable for iPhone users to send or receive messages that contain anything but text. Thats a really good step forward.

Email WILL become more popular in phones eventually. Noone is argueing this. That doesn't mean they shouldn't have MMS in the mean time.

The age of MMS is irrelevant. Why support SMS? Why not have video calling instead of just calling. Hell email out dates pretty much everything else the iPhone is doing. Age shouldn't be a factor but whether the communications mean makes communication easier for users. For many many people MMS does improve the users ability to communicate through what is a communications device.

I fail to see the reasoning for it not being included as an option what so ever.

I'd rather spend $10 a month to send picture to my friends rather than $40 for a data connection. And I could actually send pictures and vids with ALL my friends, not just one's with expensive phones.

s3n4te said,
Um no cut and paste in this day and age?

They're looking for a nice way to make it. Actually, putting copy & paste there would probably make the firmware become a mess. Maybe someone found a very nice way of implementing it, something that won't annoy nor disgust users.

burnblue said,
I love this line of thought, as if implementing copy and paste on a handheld wasn't implemented years ago

Exactly. Palm had copy-n-paste features back in 1998.

background applications will not be in the 3.0 firmware release.

The announcement also said that Apple will bring the iPhone to the Palm Pre level to rival the competition.

Does not compute.

The announcement also said that Apple will bring the iPhone to the Palm Pre level to rival the competition.

They can talk all marketing crap they want.... Well they already do.

or it could mean no background apps for the current iPhone models. It could be possible the current hardware can't handle such a function perhaps? my thinking on this is perhaps the much rumored quad-core iPhone 4 might support background apps etc and Apple are just been vague about it, so they can "surprise" everyone with it later on. Maybe? just a thought...

It could be possible the current hardware can't handle such a function perhaps?


Come on, we all know it's not the hardware.

A 5-year old Windows Mobile phone can multi-task, and as long as the iPhone doesn't allow multi-tasking, it will never be at the Pre's level.

andrewbares said,
Come on, we all know it's not the hardware.

A 5-year old Windows Mobile phone can multi-task, and as long as the iPhone doesn't allow multi-tasking, it will never be at the Pre's level.


Can't really compare cross platform, because the resources of the respective applications in different platforms vary.

giga said,
Does not compute.

Just look at how long it took the Mac to multitask. They had to ditch their own OS and go with Linux to get something as state of the art as multitasking. Hahaha.

ermax said,
Just look at how long it took the Mac to multitask. They had to ditch their own OS and go with Linux to get something as state of the art as multitasking. Hahaha.

Linux, eh?

ermax said,
Just look at how long it took the Mac to multitask. They had to ditch their own OS and go with Linux to get something as state of the art as multitasking. Hahaha.

The multifinder and everything starting with System 5.0 could multitask..just not very well. Or very stable. That being said it took Windows XP for consumers to get preemptive multitasking on x86 so.. not that big of a deal

Fagutish said,
The multifinder and everything starting with System 5.0 could multitask..just not very well. Or very stable. That being said it took Windows XP for consumers to get preemptive multitasking on x86 so.. not that big of a deal


The Windows NT line nonwithstanding, Windows 95 had proper pre-emptive multitasking. You're probably thinking of protected memory.

The Mac OS, from System 7 up to Mac OS 9 used co-operative multitasking, which meant programs voluntarily ceded time to other programs. (System 5 and 6 supported this using MultiFinder.) Pre-emptive multitasking, on the other hand, means that the OS handles how much CPU time each program gets.