Larry Page: Microsoft putting Google Talk in Outlook.com is "sad" [Update]

Earlier this week, Microsoft announced it was adding Google Talk support to its Outlook.com email service. That addition did not sit well with Google's CEO Larry Page. During a Q&A session with people who attended the Google I/O keynote today, Page expressed his feelings on Microsoft's move in the context of promoting open standards for software.

When asked by a keynote attendee from Mozilla about the future of web technology, Page said Google has invested a lot of time supporting open standards and said he was "personally quite sad" about how the industry has dealt with those standards. He then brought up the fact that Microsoft added Google Talk support for Outlook.com, stating that Microsoft was "... inter-operating with us but not doing the reverse, which is really sad. That not the way to make progress. You need to actually have inter-operation, not just people milking off one company for their own benefit." He also described Microsoft's activities as "milking off" of Google's innovations.

Page did not state just how Microsoft should reciprocate. It's possible that Page is referring to Microsoft's Skype service. Page added that Google has "struggled" with Microsoft in terms of working with web standards but that Google had had better relationships with Mozilla in this area. We have emailed Microsoft to see if they have any comment on Page's statements.

Update: We have now received a response from Microsoft to Page's statements, specifically from Microsoft's Corporate Communications head Frank Shaw:

It’s ironic that Larry is lending his voice to the discussion of interoperability considering his company’s decision – today – to file a cease and desist order to remove the YouTube app from Windows Phone, let alone the recent decision to make it more difficult for our customers to connect their Gmail accounts to their Windows experience.”

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Larry Page said:
"inter-operating with us but not doing the reverse"

If so, why they didn't know that you'll be taking down GoogleTalk? Does "inter-operating" mean that you let other company busy doing their work in a service that you know you will takedown soon?

BTW, it's funny how Google sees itself as software company, and fight for that. And forgetting that it is a web-based service provider! There is huge difference although they develop their own solutions! When you look closer "functionality ways" to the apps they make, the market they handle, the OS, you notice the difference between software companies and others.

This problem was about to kill Apple back in days, until Steve Jobs returned and let everyone knows that "Apple need to know who Apple was" as he said in an interview.

Google is acting strangely with Microsoft nowadays because Microsoft is pushing toward their new vision to PC software industry, which is software as a service (similar to what Google is doing, but with wider vision). Google is doing that for quite long time, but they never ever expected that when Microsoft goes to this line of service, they'll beat the hell out of Google. The differences are so clear in Outlook.com and Office 360.

Google needs to stop acting like everything is theirs. I'm a Gmail user, and I've already used it in Outlook.com. Just wished that GoogleTalk was somewhat available and Google just killed it!

Hello,

I find it quite sad that Google has not updated the Windows client for Google Talk since v1.0.0.104 was released in January 2007.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

Hahaha. Milking off other company's IP, that is exactly what Google is doing. Android is full of IP theft. Most of what Google did in terms of software development has been ripped from the opensource community. I do believe this guy is making an utter fool out of itself. Maybe Google could stop "milkimg off" it's own customers before they point the finger to anyone else !

Speaking of "milking off" somebody, take a wild guess who invented XHR, which Google uses in approximately, oh I don't know, 100 FREAKING PERCENT of its web properties.

Without this small contribution to web technologies from Microsoft, there'd be no Web 2.0 as we know it today.

john.smith_2084 said,
Microsoft made billions of Android and they did not write a single line of code, they just sell protection, like the mob!


Actually, fat and activesync for instance are in Android, allthough not licensed. You could therfore say there is probably more code from Microsoft in Android than from google...

Its a shame nobody (specially shareholders) asked him why he paid $12,500,000,000 for Motorola. So far it's proved to be worth less than zero.

They should drop Don't Be Evil and use Don't Be a Clown.

Hey anyone else remember when Microsoft, AIM and others had to be told by a federal judge to interoperate?

Let's not put the halo around Microsoft's or anyone's head yet as being the angel of interop. Which really was Larry's overall point.

"You need to actually have inter-operation, not just people milking off one company for their own benefit."

Tell that to your Android engineers.

Okay read this: "He also described Microsoft's activities as "milking off" of Google's innovations. Page did not state just how Microsoft should reciprocate."

He doesn't really offer specific examples or any proof. He has pretty much zero evidence. And in fact most "Google innovations" were copycats of existing MS products/services and ideas.

MS has been doing IM for years longer than Google. If anything, Google copied MS, not the other way around.

Google seems to run its mouth a lot and says little of substance. They can't beat Microsoft on actual innovation so all they do is trash talk and try to pull dirty tricks like making untrue public statements like this one, or breaking Google Maps on mobile IE on Windows Phone, or ordering MS to withdraw its YouTube app that's better than Google's own YouTube apps for iOS/Android, simply because Google refuses to release their own for Windows Phone ( since they fear it and want to prevent it from taking off or getting big name apps to benefit Android and maintain their dominance in mobile).

It has been one dirty trick and lie after another from Google and I have zero trust in them or anything they say anymore. Google is doing this because they can't win on the merits.

brent3000 said,

Not sure who came 1st, Google Drive or Skydrive either

SkyDrive: August 1, 2007
Google Drive: April 24, 2012

Yeah... I'd say SkyDrive came first

You guys didnt hear the entire thing.

He is sad because companies like Microsoft do not work together with other companies to advance forward in a technilogical sense.

This is not only with Microsoft; Google, Apple, etc all do this....Just stating what he actually said.

What did Google create and where are the patents? They bought firms and integrated them into Google. Look at Android, which has Android paying MS over a billion a year. I do say we need patent reform but respect others for making new developments.

Google's innovation? Microsoft has been doing IM since Google was a search index running entirely on a server rack in a garage.

In theory I agree, why no skype on GMail.com? On the other side, if MS did this without Google permission, google can block this. A comment about this " switching to proprietary chat standard" maybe that's the result, because no other "big chat companies" use an open protocoll? The XMPP is the same way "open" than the HTML5/W3C thing, Google could make proposals for XMPP too.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
Wait. Let me get this straight. umadbro because Microsoft actually lets Gtalk users talk trough Outlook? Is this guy on meth or something?

He's mad because google didn't provide msn chat on gmail

'Page said Google has invested a lot of time supporting open standards'
That's so true, support open standards then when you've made a big deal about it and got a bunch of new customers - quickly remove all those extra open standards and go back to your propietry standards only.

This is coming from a company that cant use those same open standards to create windows phone 8 apps so you can access their services on a windows phone 8 .

Also google is dropping support for some of those open standards so they can use their own.

I would have rather listened to Sergey brin talk for an hour. On second though I watched some video of him on youtube and I changed my mind. he says umm.. and uhhh.... way to much.

LOL...hey said that minutes after Google announced switching to proprietary chat standard from XMPP for Hangouts/babbel.

BajiRav said,
LOL...hey said that minutes after Google announced switching to proprietary chat standard from XMPP for Hangouts/babbel.

The irony is thick over at Google HQ.

Google considers "All Platforms" Chrome, iOS, and Android. Windows 8 / Windows Phone 8 would be great!

I hate being forced onto a platform.

Yes. He is completely right! Microsoft making their services compatible with Googles is a sad thing, they should, just like Google does, try to destroy their concurrention by making them unable to create their services on iOS and Android devices.

/s

meh, Google hasnt necessarily been playing nice all the time either. Seems like the way all companies are going these days.

Oh yeah, because Microsoft never allows Google to use their services... Oh wait, that's Google that actively changes their technologies to lock Microsoft out...

These people sure like to reinvent history...

Several things I noted about his speech and questions are that he doesn't get privacy and doesn't truly understand why people want to protect it, and that he is truly engaged in a war against Microsoft and it sets the tone for all of their products and future directions for their company. In light of this, MS should never release Office for Android despite how much additional money they could make from it. Legitimizing Android in businesses would enable a lot of companies to make that transition away from the MS ecosystem.

Drewidian said,
Several things I noted about his speech and questions are that he doesn't get privacy and doesn't truly understand why people want to protect it, and that he is truly engaged in a war against Microsoft and it sets the tone for all of their products and future directions for their company. In light of this, MS should never release Office for Android despite how much additional money they could make from it. Legitimizing Android in businesses would enable a lot of companies to make that transition away from the MS ecosystem.

THIS.

McKay said,
Selfish one-way compatibility and an unwillingness to co-operate, and you say that?

I think Google have made it quite clear that they have no intention of cooperating with MS. Is this Google Talk even available anywhere outside the US?

And axing Active Sync was O.K? oh and apparently Google wants M$ to axe the WP YouTube App.

Gimme a break, Google is a ****** company just like the rest of them.

McKay said,
Selfish one-way compatibility and an unwillingness to co-operate, and you say that?

i would like to know why others sould play well with google and why not the other way around?
i don't really care how they dress up their own tech, they can shout opensource all they want at the end of the day the control is in their hands

and as another ecosystems' user i don't need google to change me, my services or my user habits OR spy on me, collect my data and make it theirs'

McKay said,
Selfish one-way compatibility and an unwillingness to co-operate, and you say that?
Yes because GTalks existence is purely selfless

jakem1 said,

I think Google have made it quite clear that they have no intention of cooperating with MS. Is this Google Talk even available anywhere outside the US?

Yes it's on every single device with android that has the play store lol....

Loollllll this is so funny because Microsoft has a Skype app on Android but Google doesn't have a GTalk app on Windows 8. And didn't Google disable their Maps app for WP users for a period of time?

Vinny4 said,
And axing Active Sync was O.K? oh and apparently Google wants M$ to axe the WP YouTube App.

Gimme a break, Google is a ****** company just like the rest of them.

Just for fun:

Microsoft (MS) = M$
Google = Googl€ or G¢¢gle

jakem1 said,
Is this Google Talk even available anywhere outside the US?

google talk is available everywhere, but obviously google want you to use THEIR version integrated in gmail, rather than outlook.

Google Voice is limited to the US only I think. Unfortunately it is not available in Australia.