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Winner of PDC HDD

Tom Warren   on 31 October 2008 - 16:40 · 62 comments & 19646 views

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I'm proud to announce the lucky winner of our PDC 2008 HDD packed with Windows 7, Windows Server 2008 R2 and various SDKs is Tsumana.

For those interested in how we picked the winner, I asked a friend to pick a number between 1 and 513 and he came up with 383 which was Tsumana's comment.

Congratulations Tsumana! I will be contacting you shortly to arrange shipping to your country.

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(4 replies) #1 Digix on 31 Oct 2008 - 16:44
he looks inactive judging by lasts posts being in july 2007 ?
#1.1 wst50 on 31 Oct 2008 - 16:57
Evidently not, he commented in the right place...
#1.2 adlerhn on 31 Oct 2008 - 18:15
wst50 said,
Evidently not, he commented in the right place...


LOL
#1.3 Raa on 31 Oct 2008 - 22:20
Thats the trouble with most freeloaders, they never participate except to get free stuff
#1.4 traxor on 11 Dec 2008 - 17:04
What do you expect? Who doesn't love a good competition.
#2 afusion on 31 Oct 2008 - 16:45
I never win anything.. rofl

#3 WarStorm on 31 Oct 2008 - 16:47
Congrats Tsumana!
#4 jimbo11883 on 31 Oct 2008 - 16:53
Congrats! I wish I could win for once.
#5 wst50 on 31 Oct 2008 - 16:56
Maaan. 325 and 365 were me.
#6 Typhoeus on 31 Oct 2008 - 16:56
Congratulation! ;_;
#7 Cask1 on 31 Oct 2008 - 17:27
Congrats!
#8 tronmaster on 31 Oct 2008 - 17:35
Congrats Tsumana, post screenshots!!
#9 djeter on 31 Oct 2008 - 17:41
Congrats Tsumana!
#10 vetSHoTTa35 on 31 Oct 2008 - 18:00
Congrats dude...
#11 Skynetfuture on 31 Oct 2008 - 18:16
why not me me

i went it so badly whaaa !
#12 KavazovAngel on 31 Oct 2008 - 18:19
Congrats.
#13 yakumo on 31 Oct 2008 - 18:36
Well lets hope he does something useful with it instead of just format and have a nice spare HD
#14 +statm1 on 31 Oct 2008 - 18:49
Yes lets hope Yakumo...
#15 XDViPeR on 31 Oct 2008 - 18:56
HEy TOm, if you can't in touch I'LL be more than happy to take it... and i'll pay for the shipping as well!
(11 replies) #16 s0nic69 on 31 Oct 2008 - 21:44
so the more posts u put up on events like this, the better ur chance is to win? So if i post 10 times, my chances get better? jw for next time
#16.1 Raa on 31 Oct 2008 - 22:19
According to the way he picked, yes apparently!
#16.2 vetmarkjensen on 01 Nov 2008 - 04:06
Raa said,
According to the way he picked, yes apparently!

This was really a very poor way to select, and heavily weights in favor of the frequent posters in the thread.

As a Vet, I was ineligible. As a Linux user, Windows doesn't interest me. But the selection method MUST be changed. And a person guessing a "random" number in a range is not very random at all, and is also weighted away from the start and end points.
#16.3 Raa on 01 Nov 2008 - 04:25
I entirely agree Mark, but unfortunately it doesn't look likely now, or in the future it seems.

(You know that the same rules will apply to the Neowin competition?)
#16.4 vetmarkjensen on 01 Nov 2008 - 04:39
Actually, it took me a while to find the thread in question. Since only whole numbers were assumed to be picked, does that mean someone who posted, but did so as a reply would have found their post unknowingly (and unintentionally) ineligible for selection? No one was going to guess #5.1
#16.5 s0nic69 on 01 Nov 2008 - 17:25
markjensen said,
Actually, it took me a while to find the thread in question. Since only whole numbers were assumed to be picked, does that mean someone who posted, but did so as a reply would have found their post unknowingly (and unintentionally) ineligible for selection? No one was going to guess #5.1

for this giveaway http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...c=688430&st=960 do you think the same logic to pick the winners will be used? should i go in there and post as much as i can? wouldnt it have been better if neowin develops an online applicatin where somsone can submit their username and only verification needed would be to not allow duplicate names. save it on a database and then neowin admins can randomly pick a username? idk, just a quick thought. i like how neowin gives things away, but there isnt really a fair way and any rules as far as i know. can i post more than once? will replies like 5.1 ever work? people who we know have 2 usernames, and submit with both, can we appeal it when they win?

Also, i might not agree on how the winner was picked, but still, congrats to Tsumana.
#16.6 Raa on 01 Nov 2008 - 22:33
That's all well and good, but that doesn't address people with 1 post wonders, or people that have posted very rarely over a long period of time (freeloading). IMO, these sorts of people are just in it for a free ride, it'd be fairer on the Neowin community if it went to a long-standing contributing member, or even a new one that's really active!
#16.7 creamhackered on 02 Nov 2008 - 10:10
If a child comment would have been picked up then it would have been selected randomly from the parent and child comments of that particular value, like #16 here. If someone who had never posted and only registered that day had signed up then we may have re-considered but that didn't happen thankfully. Either way it's still a random winner, the method used was a lack of order and one that could not have been predicted therefore making it random.
#16.8 vetmarkjensen on 02 Nov 2008 - 14:49
creamhackered said,
If a child comment would have been picked up then it would have been selected randomly from the parent and child comments of that particular value, like #16 here. If someone who had never posted and only registered that day had signed up then we may have re-considered but that didn't happen thankfully. Either way it's still a random winner, the method used was a lack of order and one that could not have been predicted therefore making it random.

The child selection method is flawed. A child post (or a parent that has been replied-to) are less likely to be selected, since they had to go through an additional random selection.

Statistically, this selection method is very poor and not all posters had the same probability. I think that Neowin might want to use a more fairly distributed method to prize selection in the future.
#16.9 s0nic69 on 02 Nov 2008 - 17:58
markjensen said,
Statistically, this selection method is very poor and not all posters had the same probability. I think that Neowin might want to use a more fairly distributed method to prize selection in the future.


this is exactly the point i want to bring up. maybe the neowin admins, and mods and vets should have a simple chat about what would be a better method next time that makes it 100% fair for everyone in the community.

I also want to bring up that Raa said that people that post very rarely should not be able to win. I visit neowin every day, read the topics that grab my attention by their title and make sure to cover the news in the front page. I dont post much as u can see, 5 years and under 1000 posts. i have always liked to think of myself as a very very small part of this community. i dont think that posting rarely should be a disqualification.
#16.10 vetmarkjensen on 02 Nov 2008 - 18:20
s0nic69 said,
... i dont think that posting rarely should be a disqualification.

I don't either. I never mentioned post count, or membership sign-up date as a matter for consideration. I like Neowin's openness and community focus (Y)
#16.11 Raa on 02 Nov 2008 - 22:51
I'm sorry guys, I DO think it should count. Why should we - as the active community - support some one post wonder, or rarely active person thats just along for a free ride?

5 years under 1000 posts? Thats not inactive IMO. 5 years and 50 posts? Yeah, that's getting a bit low.

I think it's worth revising at the least. I'm not saying a "hard rule" should apply.

See comment #37 below. Point proven? Maybe.
(1 reply) #17 Raiderman on 31 Oct 2008 - 22:34
Should have been single comments only.
#17.1 Raa on 31 Oct 2008 - 23:51
And people that have been active, and people that have more than 100 posts within 1 minutes..... Yeah, the criteria can be very narcy. How do you decide something like that :/
#18 +warwagon on 31 Oct 2008 - 22:58
Really we could comment more than once?

Who knew.
#19 cJr. on 01 Nov 2008 - 00:45
I thought we were only able to comment the once? :/

Oh well, congrats to the inactive member who won... :whistle:
(2 replies) #20 rm20010 on 01 Nov 2008 - 01:05
Congrats! Personally I'm happy it wasn't some random drive-by one post wonder who won.
#20.1 Dane on 01 Nov 2008 - 02:02
I'd be ****ed if it was a one post wonder. Even more so there should be atleast a 100post min to win anything though....

Congrats to the winner though.
#20.2 Raa on 01 Nov 2008 - 04:23
It was close enough. 50 posts in 5 years? Is that really fair? Think about it
#21 +chaosblade on 01 Nov 2008 - 01:13
Congrats
#22 Typhoeus on 01 Nov 2008 - 01:17
LAWL. You guy are just jealous. Go get some ice-cream :3
#23 Osiris on 01 Nov 2008 - 01:32
ah well good on him and congrats...we expect a full review of his Windows 7 :p
#24 Soldiers33 on 01 Nov 2008 - 09:27
lucky ******
#25 InsaneNutter on 01 Nov 2008 - 14:15
Congratz Tsumana!

Dont forget to do a Neowin review
#26 $n!pR on 01 Nov 2008 - 15:10
Who wants to bet the winner doesn't read this thread?
#27 Statikk on 01 Nov 2008 - 19:07
I agree with others on it being strange that the more you spammed the thread the better your chances are, but that didn't come into play here. The winner was someone who posted once and only posted 50 times in 5 years. While some of you may consider him an inactive member I highly doubt that is the case. I sometimes go for long periods of time without making a post and in the beginning I was a lurker for about a year before I even registered. There are many, many people who register and rarely post but the majority of them visit the front page for news on a regular basis. Anyways, back to the topic at hand. Congrats Tsumana!! I hope you enjoy playing with your new toys!!
#28 nikhil14b on 01 Nov 2008 - 19:14
Congrats man !!!
#29 Sevan on 01 Nov 2008 - 21:30
Congrats man.
(1 reply) #30 thealexweb on 02 Nov 2008 - 00:17
Just heard on keznews that the PDC build has been leaked already, the one demoed that wasn't meant to be distributed. Ah well nothing changes I suppose.
#30.1 rm20010 on 02 Nov 2008 - 07:12
thealexweb said,
Just heard on keznews that the PDC build has been leaked already, the one demoed that wasn't meant to be distributed. Ah well nothing changes I suppose.


Where? The one guy who did have it said "I'd be fired if I leaked the build."
#31 acedriver on 02 Nov 2008 - 01:29
Congrats!
#32 Revolution. on 02 Nov 2008 - 03:53
congrats!
#33 lylesback2 on 02 Nov 2008 - 04:07
Congrats Tsumana (Y)
#34 AUSSIE_FLOYD_FAN on 02 Nov 2008 - 04:29
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hmmmmm thawyts awdd
#35 +vlsi0n on 02 Nov 2008 - 08:22
just go download what he won. =]
#36 Nelsinho on 02 Nov 2008 - 10:57
yep, congrats tsumana
(4 replies) #37 Dane on 02 Nov 2008 - 21:53
Tsumana:

Last Seen: 30th October 2008 - 12:56

How long does he/she have before it gets taken back and someone else is picked?
#37.1 Raa on 02 Nov 2008 - 22:49
My point about active people has been proven, I do believe.
#37.2 Dane on 03 Nov 2008 - 01:58
Raa said,
My point about active people has been proven, I do believe.


Agreed.
#37.3 creamhackered on 03 Nov 2008 - 13:04
Dane, I have already received a PM from Tsumana.

Last edited by creamhackered on 03 Nov 2008 - 14:24
#37.4 Dane on 03 Nov 2008 - 19:30
Ahh ok just checking.

Congrats anyways!!
(1 reply) #38 Tsumana on 03 Nov 2008 - 19:22
Hey all,

Thanks for the kind words and even all the other words.

I read all the replies and just wanted to say that there are reasons for my inactivity although I don't think I need to go into them. I've been reading the news here for a long time and don't venture into the forums much as you can tell. Sometimes I'm reading the front page and don't even notice I'm not logged in.
So for any of you that feel slighted because of my post count then I'm sorry you feel that way. I can't really say much else on the subject without coming off as being patronising, I think.

And yes, I'll post a bunch of screens and do my best to write a review for the people who asked.
#38.1 Raa on 03 Nov 2008 - 22:23
I'm glad you're able to justify it at least! Makes me feel better than knowing some 1 post wonder ran off with the copy never to be seen again

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