LulzSec spokesman "Topiary" charged by UK police

Earlier this week the UK police announced that they had arrested a suspected member of hacking group LulzSec.

“Topiary” the apparent spokesperson was today charged with conspiracy to carry out a DDOS attack and unauthorised computer access. The 18 year old who was revealed to be Jake Davis is being faced with five charges against him. His punishment is likely jail time if prosecuted however early reports show no suggestion of how long in jail he may be facing. He is being prepared to face Westminster magistrates’ court on Monday.

The news comes days after it was reported that the man arrested could have been an innocent person who the original Topiary had stolen his online alias from – essentially leading the police to arrest a different man. These recent reports however confirm that the man that was arrested in the Shetland Islands is indeed LulzSec’s spokesman “Topiary”.

LulzSec, who are now disbanded, gained media attention when they attacked numerous high profile corporation and government owned websites including HBGary, Gawker, PayPal, Mastercard, and Visa. Topiary is suspected to have taken part in the DDOS attack against PayPal which took the website offline last year.

The supposed leader of LulzSec confirmed that the police had arrested Topiary when he posted via twitter “RIP Topiary F**k the police and as for the ‘doxers’ you proved how clueless you ALL were when you posted he was from Sweden over 9000 times.”

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There are other photos posted of him. One article said the book he is carrying around is called "Free radicals: The secret anarchy of science."

The more I see this sort of "attack" the more I hope the people responsible get caught.

In the few short years it has taken for Anon/Lulz to become household names, they have migrated from "fringe group with utopian ideals" to "criminal organisation with worldwide reach". Talk about power corrupting infinitely!

The fact remains that I understand they do not agree with certain governance and many of the laws of the land relating to disclosure of information and data rights. However, there is a way in which to protest and put your argument to the public to gain support, and this, I'm afraid, isn't it. They risk becoming the very type of "arrangement" of individuals as that which brought them together in combat to begin with.

Disagree by all means, but DO NOT make the universal decision that everyone agrees with you and that your own opinion is the only one that is valid simply due to the power you wield. Protest, but don't oppress the innocent or ignorant masses by denying service!

Okay let me set the record straight. Anonymous has recently launched OpOnslaught. This is a peaceful operation where the members have been making the views of anonymous known. Yes hacking is illegal and he was wrong to do it. I support Anon provided they do it legally.

zikalify said,
Okay let me set the record straight. Anonymous has recently launched OpOnslaught. This is a peaceful operation where the members have been making the views of anonymous known. Yes hacking is illegal and he was wrong to do it. I support Anon provided they do it legally.

This ^^^

I wonder if this will be like Eagle Eye, where through the use of hacks and access to many computers and networks around the world, the Lulzsec group can break him out and hide him out in homes vacated by residents on vacation. Might make a good movie

Lord Venom said,
Am I the only one who thinks all of it is pointless?
Kinda wonder the same as the guy below - your question isn't put in any context, so no one can really answer it.

Kaidiir said,
Cut off one head, two more shall grow back.

I doubt so many wannabe hackers will get involved when they realise they face jail.

While Topiary is sat in a jail cell I wonder if it will have been worth it? I very much doubt it

Hardcore Til I Die said,

I doubt so many wannabe hackers will get involved when they realise they face jail.

While Topiary is sat in a jail cell I wonder if it will have been worth it? I very much doubt it

Why because punishment for something he professes to believe in therefore makes it wrong? Tell that to every person fighting for something THEY believe in. I don't support what he did but the threat or carrying out punishment should not change anyone's view if they believe in something.

Sylar2010 said,

Why because punishment for something he professes to believe in therefore makes it wrong? Tell that to every person fighting for something THEY believe in. I don't support what he did but the threat or carrying out punishment should not change anyone's view if they believe in something.

If people believe in things strongly enough to risk going to prison for, they seriously need to re-evaluate their beliefs and think about whether the cause makes sense.

Peter Sutcliffe believed that prostitutes didn't deserve to live and went on to kill lots of them with a ball peen hammer. He'll be in prison for the rest of his life.

Hardcore Til I Die said,

If people believe in things strongly enough to risk going to prison for, they seriously need to re-evaluate their beliefs and think about whether the cause makes sense.

Peter Sutcliffe believed that prostitutes didn't deserve to live and went on to kill lots of them with a ball peen hammer. He'll be in prison for the rest of his life.

Topiary didn't deny anyone the right to live though did he... However think what you want I nor anyone else couldnt care less about your views.

zikalify said,
Topiary didn't deny anyone the right to live though did he... However think what you want I nor anyone else couldnt care less about your views.

I was using it as a comparison; sometimes what you believe in just isn't right.

Hardcore Til I Die said,

I was using it as a comparison; sometimes what you believe in just isn't right.

And sometimes it still is not saying it is the case just saying why should punishment change his views.

Why? I believe in freedom and democracy Anon for one isn't just some DDOSing group you know so do explain your comment rationally.

Sylar2010 said,
Why? I believe in freedom and democracy Anon for one isn't just some DDOSing group you know so do explain your comment rationally.

Anon is a lamo DDoSing script kiddy group.

Hardcore Til I Die said,

Anon is a lamo DDoSing script kiddy group.

Why is it when they cant catch someone.. they're all like .. Woohoo look at them go.. and when they do catch someone.. "Damn those kids?"

Hardcore Til I Die said,

Anon is a lamo DDoSing script kiddy group.

Not the case how do you account for the Anon who do not DDOS but support the ideals?

Sylar2010 said,

Not the case how do you account for the Anon who do not DDOS but support the ideals?

People supporting DDoSers are as bad as the DDoSers themselves. Packet flooding websites in the name of some cause is pathetic What is this - protesting for massively overweight people?

Hardcore Til I Die said,

People supporting DDoSers are as bad as the DDoSers themselves. Packet flooding websites in the name of some cause is pathetic What is this - protesting for massively overweight people?

You don't get what I am saying I do not support DDOSing I would never do it myself I support what Anon fights for only while respecting that we should have a law change to allow DDOSing. Anon isn't just some group active for any reason it actually has ideas and wishes for as better world why can't people get this? Sigh.

Sylar2010 said,

You don't get what I am saying I do not support DDOSing I would never do it myself I support what Anon fights for only while respecting that we should have a law change to allow DDOSing. Anon isn't just some group active for any reason it actually has ideas and wishes for as better world why can't people get this? Sigh.

Then they need to go about things in the right away. Arrange a boycott of a website - don't deny service to it for EVERYONE.

For example, LulzSec hacked the Playstation Network because they didn't agree with the way Sony kept on stopping people from hacking the PS3. Valiant reason you might think considering people should be allowed to do whatever they like to the hardware they purchase, but do you think all of the gamers that couldn't get on PSN appreciated what they did? No, they did not.

Same for everybody who wanted to access the various websites anon has DDoS'd. Protest in the right way. The law 100% should NOT allow DDoS'ing. This would be the equivalent of allowing protesters to block the actual doorway into a store/bank/etc. This is not allowed - people can protest outside a store but they cannot stop people from using it.

Hardcore Til I Die said,

Then they need to go about things in the right away. Arrange a boycott of a website - don't deny service to it for EVERYONE.

For example, LulzSec hacked the Playstation Network because they didn't agree with the way Sony kept on stopping people from hacking the PS3. Valiant reason you might think considering people should be allowed to do whatever they like to the hardware they purchase, but do you think all of the gamers that couldn't get on PSN appreciated what they did? No, they did not.

Same for everybody who wanted to access the various websites anon has DDoS'd. Protest in the right way. The law 100% should NOT allow DDoS'ing. This would be the equivalent of allowing protesters to block the actual doorway into a store/bank/etc. This is not allowed - people can protest outside a store but they cannot stop people from using it.

You do make good points however if people blocked access to your banks door people would listen and want to know why seems to be different online?

Sylar2010 said,

You do make good points however if people blocked access to your banks door people would listen and want to know why seems to be different online?

No. If your cause is worthy enough for people to follow you shouldn't have to block access to the bank.

Or maybe you've made your point and I agree that what my bank does is disgusting, but they still have my money. I may switch banks but at this precise moment in time I still need to go to my bank.

Hardcore Til I Die said,

No. If your cause is worthy enough for people to follow you shouldn't have to block access to the bank.

Or maybe you've made your point and I agree that what my bank does is disgusting, but they still have my money. I may switch banks but at this precise moment in time I still need to go to my bank.

Ok but the point is at least people are made to listen heck all views should be at least listened to then to put it in context allow access to the bank.

Sylar2010 said,

Ok but the point is at least people are made to listen heck all views should be at least listened to then to put it in context allow access to the bank.

And when you DOS a website, where exactly is your manifesto published?
if a website was down I wouldn't think "oh there we go some political group making their point, maybe I'll boycot this site...", I'd think "oh website is down, I'll try again later or tomorrow..."

It's a pointless act that achieves nothing but inconvenience for the people who you are trying to put your views to.....

Sylar2010 said,

Ok but the point is at least people are made to listen heck all views should be at least listened to then to put it in context allow access to the bank.

Made to listen to what exactly? Like bugsbungee said, when a site is down people don't automatically realise why it's down.. just that it's down!

Hardcore Til I Die said,

People supporting DDoSers are as bad as the DDoSers themselves. Packet flooding websites in the name of some cause is pathetic What is this - protesting for massively overweight people?

You sure are dumb. Anon doesnt stand for hacking, hackers associate themselves with anonymous not the other way around!! YOu are a puppet. Anon believes in freedom for you and me and everyone else unlike what govts give us, so why dont u support them.

zikalify said,
You sure are dumb. Anon doesnt stand for hacking, hackers associate themselves with anonymous not the other way around!! YOu are a puppet. Anon believes in freedom for you and me and everyone else unlike what govts give us, so why dont u support them.

If that's the case then the media are clearly misreporting what Anonymous stands for because I keep reading Anonymous attacks this, Anonymous shuts down that, Anonymous DDoS's the other.

I'm clearly going to draw the conclusion that they're a group of script kiddies when that's what the media says nearly every single day.

If Anon believes in freedom and don't support hacking then they need to try and separate themselves from the idiots who keep packet flooding everything because their name is clearly being tarnished.

bugsbungee said,

And when you DOS a website, where exactly is your manifesto published?
if a website was down I wouldn't think "oh there we go some political group making their point, maybe I'll boycot this site...", I'd think "oh website is down, I'll try again later or tomorrow..."

It's a pointless act that achieves nothing but inconvenience for the people who you are trying to put your views to.....

You're forcing the identity of a political group on Anon why does it need to have a manifesto they just get broken after supposedly democratic elections. Good points about separation but it's the nature of the internet that being impossible.

zikalify said,
You sure are dumb. Anon doesnt stand for hacking, hackers associate themselves with anonymous not the other way around!! YOu are a puppet. Anon believes in freedom for you and me and everyone else unlike what govts give us, so why dont u support them.

We are legion.

Hardcore Til I Die said,

If that's the case then the media are clearly misreporting what Anonymous stands for because I keep reading Anonymous attacks this, Anonymous shuts down that, Anonymous DDoS's the other.

I'm clearly going to draw the conclusion that they're a group of script kiddies when that's what the media says nearly every single day.

If Anon believes in freedom and don't support hacking then they need to try and separate themselves from the idiots who keep packet flooding everything because their name is clearly being tarnished.

Also the media give me a break.

Down with Lulz Sec long live Anon, yes there has been some suggestion that they could be one in the same but I personally support the Anon ideals (what people on the Anon IRC channels generally believe in). So I shall make the point I despise it when I hear Anon referred to as a hacking group in Neowin news articles or Hacktivism referred to as some sort of evil act weather illegal or not the people doing it consider it a form of protest DDOS is no different to protesting outside a shop legal in the UK I believe. I should put a disclaimer in now stating I have not joined the DDOS attacks of Anon but I don't see why they shouldn't have the right to use their form of protest the “hacking” by “Anon” is one group or branch only let's separate it from the core of Anon who do not believe in hacking.

Sylar2010 said,
Down with Lulz Sec long live Anon, yes there has been some suggestion that they could be one in the same but I personally support the Anon ideals (what people on the Anon IRC channels generally believe in). So I shall make the point I despise it when I hear Anon referred to as a hacking group in Neowin news articles or Hacktivism referred to as some sort of evil act weather illegal or not the people doing it consider it a form of protest DDOS is no different to protesting outside a shop legal in the UK I believe. I should put a disclaimer in now stating I have not joined the DDOS attacks of Anon but I don't see why they shouldn't have the right to use their form of protest the “hacking” by “Anon” is one group or branch only let's separate it from the core of Anon who do not believe in hacking.

Anon, LulzSec and everybody who follows either group are idiots.

Hardcore Til I Die said,

Anon, LulzSec and everybody who follows either group are idiots.

No they aren't. Anon hate the governments, and so do many americans atm. Too me many people should be supporting Anons ideals. Too me, those in the middle east revolutions, the protesters are the ones with brains and not complete puppets like us in the west.

zikalify said,
No they aren't. Anon hate the governments, and so do many americans atm. Too me many people should be supporting Anons ideals. Too me, those in the middle east revolutions, the protesters are the ones with brains and not complete puppets like us in the west.

Although I don't completely agree with Anon/LulzSec's methodology (actions), I do however believe in their message. I have to agree.

These guys sure are sloppy. I mean if I was some criminal hacking websites I certainly would never leave any trail behind. With all the data they acquired (and released) I expected more from them in the way of cunning and secrecy.

Vice said,
These guys sure are sloppy. I mean if I was some criminal hacking websites I certainly would never leave any trail behind. With all the data they acquired (and released) I expected more from them in the way of cunning and secrecy.

Everybody leaves a trace.

You think some random 18 year old hackers can outsmart the Police's best computer forensic scientists? No

Hardcore Til I Die said,

Everybody leaves a trace.

You think some random 18 year old hackers can outsmart the Police's best computer forensic scientists? No

There are anonymous networks such as The Onion Router which would give a degree of anonymity that wouldn't be traceable by the authorities. The thing is these hackers got greedy when they couldn't hack a site due to it having good security (Think Vista, Paypal, Mastercard) they resorted to Distributed Denial of Service attacks. And these cannot be launched from proxies (which includes by definition what The Onion Router is) and it is these attacks which had to be performed from VPS and home lines that has lead to their capture.

In short they could have been smart, instead they hedged their bets that so many morons would be launching a DOS attack at the same time that it was so incredibly unlikely they would be caught. But they bet wrong obviously. Security by obscurity didn't work for topiary.

Vice said,

There are anonymous networks such as The Onion Router which would give a degree of anonymity that wouldn't be traceable by the authorities. The thing is these hackers got greedy when they couldn't hack a site due to it having good security (Think Vista, Paypal, Mastercard) they resorted to Distributed Denial of Service attacks. And these cannot be launched from proxies (which includes by definition what The Onion Router is) and it is these attacks which had to be performed from VPS and home lines that has lead to their capture.

In short they could have been smart, instead they hedged their bets that so many morons would be launching a DOS attack at the same time that it was so incredibly unlikely they would be caught. But they bet wrong obviously. Security by obscurity didn't work for topiary.

What do you mean by a DDoS attack cannot be launched by proxies? Most botnets are controllable via IRC which you can easily connect to via a proxy/bouncher.

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding you

Hardcore Til I Die said,

What do you mean by a DDoS attack cannot be launched by proxies? Most botnets are controllable via IRC which you can easily connect to via a proxy/bouncher.

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding you

Anonymous and Lulzsec did not use botnets in the traditional sense to launch their DDoS attacks. They instead propagated software (LOIC) which allowed users to actively participate in the attacks voluntarily. The problem is even the higher ups such as Topiary were also using LOIC to DDoS on systems (most likely rented servers) that could be linked back to them.

And because of the way a DDoS is performed you cannot send millions of packets through a proxy at a target because you'll just be effectively shutting down your proxy. Your packets will bring the proxy down that you are using before it ever takes down the site you're trying to attack. And that is why they used their home lines and rented servers and not an anonymous network to launch their primitive brute force denial of service attacks.

Vice said,

Anonymous and Lulzsec did not use botnets in the traditional sense to launch their DDoS attacks. They instead propagated software (LOIC) which allowed users to actively participate in the attacks voluntarily. The problem is even the higher ups such as Topiary were also using LOIC to DDoS on systems (most likely rented servers) that could be linked back to them.

And because of the way a DDoS is performed you cannot send millions of packets through a proxy at a target because you'll just be effectively shutting down your proxy. Your packets will bring the proxy down that you are using before it ever takes down the site you're trying to attack. And that is why they used their home lines and rented servers and not an anonymous network to launch their primitive brute force denial of service attacks.

I see, thanks for clarifying. Pretty stupid move on their part.

Hardcore Til I Die said,

Everybody leaves a trace.

You think some random 18 year old hackers can outsmart the Police's best computer forensic scientists? No

What the **** have they been doing all this time? You think he's going to be the last one to do these sort of stuff? Give me a break.

Edit:

Another note. Computer forsensic scientists for POLICE? Those dumbasses didn't do **** or as the non censored version says, they didn't do anything. They got a lead when the Doxers came in. If it wasn't for them, they would have been getting their asses whooped by their bosses for how incompetent they were and are.

Edit2:

To be a computer scientist and work for the Police has to be really humiliating. I'm pretty sure they didn't study computer science and said: Hey! I want to work in a ugly office for the UK Police for the rest of my life providing absolutely no contribution to mankind whatsover! Hey! I'm sure one day they'll give up! Those rascals!

Ass.

Edited by Artillery, Jul 31 2011, 8:00pm :

Artillery said,

What the **** have they been doing all this time? You think he's going to be the last one to do these sort of stuff? Give me a break.

Edit:

Another note. Computer forsensic scientists for POLICE? Those dumbasses didn't do **** or as the non censored version says, they didn't do anything. They got a lead when the Doxers came in. If it wasn't for them, they would have been getting their asses whooped by their bosses for how incompetent they were and are.

Edit2:

To be a computer scientist and work for the Police has to be really humiliating. I'm pretty sure they didn't study computer science and said: Hey! I want to work in a ugly office for the UK Police for the rest of my life providing absolutely no contribution to mankind whatsover! Hey! I'm sure one day they'll give up! Those rascals!

Ass.

"all this time" ?? About a month?

They're hardly Bin Laden are they..

Vice said,
These guys sure are sloppy. I mean if I was some criminal hacking websites I certainly would never leave any trail behind. With all the data they acquired (and released) I expected more from them in the way of cunning and secrecy.

1) They were not sloppy, as Lulzsec is has proven that they really don't know who they are, and even if this is the real group leader.

2) To believe that you could 'not leave a trail behind' shows how little you know about traceability and security. Even if you obfuscated your IP,MAC, use proxies and other simplistic methods, people forget about location tracing technology and the hard coded 'unique' information that a model creates based on you and your computer.

As for being sloppy, they botted 9000 Unix servers to use as their tool of finding holes in servers and sites. (This is why people that believe that Linux servers are inherently secure, are fooling themsevles. The group didn't target Windows Servers, they went for the easy servers, aka Linux and other unix-like servers.)

Vice said,

There are anonymous networks such as The Onion Router which would give a degree of anonymity that wouldn't be traceable by the authorities. The thing is these hackers got greedy when they couldn't hack a site due to it having good security (Think Vista, Paypal, Mastercard) they resorted to Distributed Denial of Service attacks. And these cannot be launched from proxies (which includes by definition what The Onion Router is) and it is these attacks which had to be performed from VPS and home lines that has lead to their capture.

In short they could have been smart, instead they hedged their bets that so many morons would be launching a DOS attack at the same time that it was so incredibly unlikely they would be caught. But they bet wrong obviously. Security by obscurity didn't work for topiary.

TOR isn't anywhere as near anonymous as you seem to think it is.

thenetavenger said,

1) They were not sloppy, as Lulzsec is has proven that they really don't know who they are, and even if this is the real group leader.

2) To believe that you could 'not leave a trail behind' shows how little you know about traceability and security. Even if you obfuscated your IP,MAC, use proxies and other simplistic methods, people forget about location tracing technology and the hard coded 'unique' information that a model creates based on you and your computer.

They were sloppy as they are getting caught left right and centre. And I do know what I'm talking about and I do know how to not be traced while using the internet.

Kushan said,

TOR isn't anywhere as near anonymous as you seem to think it is.

Actually it is. The traffic is sent through 3 or more relays before it exits the TOR network and it is the use of the relays inbetween those two nodes that make the final destination of packets impossible to ascertain by someone sniffing any of the components of an onion router. TOR is pretty much bullet proof which is why it was funded by the US Navy for use by agents in hostile networks all over the world including places like China and Iran.

Prove me wrong by showing my a single shred of evidence that allows a 3rd party to figure out who is requesting traffic from behind the Tor network without themselves being the first or last link in the chain.