Lumia 710 off to good sales start at T-Mobile

In January, Nokia and T-Mobile launched the Lumia 710 in the US. It was the first smartphone launched by Nokia in the US that was based on Microsoft's Windows Phone OS. Now News.com reports that there are indirect indications that the Lumia 710 has gotten off to a solid start in the US in terms of sales.

Officially, neither Nokia nor T-Mobile will give out specific sales figures for the Lumia 710. T-Mobile did say that the smartphone "has consistently been among the most popular phones in the T-Mobile lineup." However, according to Compete, the Lumia 710 was ordered online via T-Mobile's web site more than any other smartphone in February with the exception of the Samsung Galaxy S II and the T-Mobile G2X.

The Lumia 710 is also selling in the top three smartphones offered by T-Mobile on Amazon's web site and Wirefly says the device is in the top five on its site, adding that sales have held up in the past two months.

Originally, the Lumia 710 went on sale for $49.99 at T-Mobile but more recently the smartphone's price was reduced to free with a new two year contract. AT&T is expected to launch the next major Lumia device, the Lumia 900, sometime later this year.

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'good' is not spectacular, good means no lines and no excitement. Windows phone is missing excitement and this is a problem.

I don't understand why T-Mobile has not picked up the 800 or talk about getting the Lumia 900 to go with the low end 710 ? its odd that they dont offer a High Powered Windows Phone.
and for the Iphone fan... Windows Phone is way better than the Iphone .. if windows had the app market apple did they would be standing inline ..

Right now, the Lumia 710 is free if you upgrade or purchase it from Microsoft Store with a 2 year contract from Tmo. You do have to pay that $18 upgrade fee if you are upgrading.

I was hoping for the 900 from T-Mobile as well. I spoke to a Nokia rep who was there demoing the 710 and he told me that AT&T was paying a large sum of cash for exclusivity on the 800 and 900.

strekship said,
I was hoping for the 900 from T-Mobile as well. I spoke to a Nokia rep who was there demoing the 710 and he told me that AT&T was paying a large sum of cash for exclusivity on the 800 and 900.

I had read it was a limited exclusive, some stating only 45 days. I'm hoping that's the case.

Cyborg_X said,

I had read it was a limited exclusive, some stating only 45 days. I'm hoping that's the case.

It is the case. 45 days and after that everyone will start to get it in the US. With the likely exception of Verizon, who has dropped Microsoft like a rock.

ramonsjc said,
Just give me a 900 already. My brother in law just got a 900, he works for At&t ******!

SO wait, AT&T people can already get it? I'd say that's a good sign then, no? Should be close, probably gotta work out the LTE kinks or something.

dagamer34 said,
Just imagine if T-Mobile had the Lumia 800 for $100 or $150. That thing would trounce the Galaxy S II!

I could see T-Mobile getting a future updated 810 maybe, I really think the 800 will come to one of the carriers in time.

"went on sale for $49.99 [...] with a new two year contract"

The carriers should be ashamed of themselves, the phone is dirt cheap already! I'm seeing this trend more and more, there's little reason for a lot of people to not pay a little bit extra and getting an iPhone.

I feel like we (the non-iPhone users) are indirectly subsidising the iPhone contracts...
Sure, we're not entitled to a free phone with a contract, but this isn't about that.

Coolicer said,
"went on sale for $49.99 [...] with a new two year contract"

The carriers should be ashamed of themselves, the phone is dirt cheap already! I'm seeing this trend more and more, there's little reason for a lot of people to not pay a little bit extra and getting an iPhone.

#1 T-Mobile does not have the iPhone. So your comparison is extremely foolish.
#2 T-Mobile customers generally have it because they offer low prices on contracts. So naturally they don't spend more on phones either.
#3 Windows Phone is no iPhone. You simply can't compare the two. The iPhone has customers willing to line up for it; Windows Phone has silly gimmicks on how it "smokes" the iPhone.

Coolicer said,
I feel like we (the non-iPhone users) are indirectly subsidising the iPhone contracts... Sure, we're not entitled to a free phone with a contract, but this isn't about that.

I'm not understanding what you are trying to say by "subsidizing". Also see my first point. So what exactly are you "subsidizing"?

Just because you Apple sheep line up for the iPhone, absolutely DOES NOT MAKE IT A BETTER DEVICE!

UndergroundWire said,

#1 T-Mobile does not have the iPhone. So your comparison is extremely foolish.
#2 T-Mobile customers generally have it because they offer low prices on contracts. So naturally they don't spend more on phones either.
#3 Windows Phone is no iPhone. You simply can't compare the two. The iPhone has customers willing to line up for it; Windows Phone has silly gimmicks on how it "smokes" the iPhone.


I'm not understanding what you are trying to say by "subsidizing". Also see my first point. So what exactly are you "subsidizing"?

UndergroundWire said,

Ah sorry I probably wasn't very clear.
I live in the europe and was talking in general. By "subsidising" I mean that, by looking at the price differences between an iPhone on contract and some other upper-mid tier mobile (something like the HTC Radar, awesome phone for the price) and the difference in pricing of the contracts (the initial price + the monthly payments) is quite low (I live in the Netherlands by the way).

So just looking at the numbers, I feel like the non-iPhone users are actually helping the carrier to pay for those iPhone contracts and also because of the lower barrier between the two, lots of _average_ consumers, who are willing to pay that little extra, just go with the iPhone. This hurts me in a way because there is little reason why a relativly cheap Nokia Lumia 710 (265 Euro), HTC Radar (330 Euro) or some random mid-tier Android phone must be so expensive on a contract.

EDIT: Also, T-Mobile was the intial iPhone carrier here in the Netherlands (and large part of Europe as well I believe)

Coolicer said,

Ah sorry I probably wasn't very clear.
I live in the europe and was talking in general. By "subsidising" I mean that, by looking at the price differences between an iPhone on contract and some other upper-mid tier mobile (something like the HTC Radar, awesome phone for the price) and the difference in pricing of the contracts (the initial price + the monthly payments) is quite low (I live in the Netherlands by the way).

So just looking at the numbers, I feel like the non-iPhone users are actually helping the carrier to pay for those iPhone contracts and also because of the lower barrier between the two, lots of _average_ consumers, who are willing to pay that little extra, just go with the iPhone. This hurts me in a way because there is little reason why a relativly cheap Nokia Lumia 710 (265 Euro), HTC Radar (330 Euro) or some random mid-tier Android phone must be so expensive on a contract.

EDIT: Also, T-Mobile was the intial iPhone carrier here in the Netherlands (and large part of Europe as well I believe)

That is why you would be wrong to feel that way. Carriers who sell iPhone have to prepay Apple for the amount of phones they think they can sell. They can sell them for whatever they want too. However, knowing iPhone is popular, they keep the cost high over any other device. DUH! Just like consoles cost more in the first few months vs later when it is starting to sit. iPhone never sits. Peopel are willign to pay the high cost so theer is no need to drop it down.

Selling other phones at a lower cost just means the carrier has to subsidize more of the cost. The phone isn't free. THEy pay for it in your behal to get you to sign your life to them for 3 years. They make it up, in T-Mobiles cost by charging you 49.99 for data. Which is basically FREE money. When you make a phone call, your voice is transmitted as data and is received as data. So what is the difference in surfing? NOTHING. They are charging you for airtime that would in other means be free. No such thing as free air, right? They have to pay for air and thus they pass some cost to you.

if Sprint and ATT or VZW don't sell all those iPhone they buy, they start to lose money. Sprint is already suffering a 15M lose for not selling the $22 million they spent thinking their customers wated an iPhone. They already had phones more power, faster and bigger than iPhone. You would have to be a fool to take your 4"+ device, that already had dualcore, quadcore, 3D, 4G and more to get an outdated brand new iPhone.

UndergroundWire said,

#1 T-Mobile does not have the iPhone. So your comparison is extremely foolish.
#2 T-Mobile customers generally have it because they offer low prices on contracts. So naturally they don't spend more on phones either.
#3 Windows Phone is no iPhone. You simply can't compare the two. The iPhone has customers willing to line up for it; Windows Phone has silly gimmicks on how it "smokes" the iPhone.


I'm not understanding what you are trying to say by "subsidizing". Also see my first point. So what exactly are you "subsidizing"?


Troll

People calling me a troll or an iSheep is hysterical. I pointed out stuff that didn't make sense and that's the best you got? Your intelligence is level is embarrassing. Please stay quiet if you can't contribute. P.S. I have a Samsung Galaxy Nexus as my daily driver. I also own the iPhone 4S, iPad (3rd Gen), Motorola Xoom and 3 PCs running Windows 7 Ultimate with various Microsoft programs running. All paid for legally. Sorry but I don't fit your description of a troll or an iSheep. Better luck next time. Hopefully your vocabulary will improve by then.

*Fingers crossed*

Coolicer said,

Ah sorry I probably wasn't very clear.
I live in the europe and was talking in general. By "subsidising" I mean that, by looking at the price differences between an iPhone on contract and some other upper-mid tier mobile (something like the HTC Radar, awesome phone for the price) and the difference in pricing of the contracts (the initial price + the monthly payments) is quite low (I live in the Netherlands by the way).

So just looking at the numbers, I feel like the non-iPhone users are actually helping the carrier to pay for those iPhone contracts and also because of the lower barrier between the two, lots of _average_ consumers, who are willing to pay that little extra, just go with the iPhone. This hurts me in a way because there is little reason why a relativly cheap Nokia Lumia 710 (265 Euro), HTC Radar (330 Euro) or some random mid-tier Android phone must be so expensive on a contract.

EDIT: Also, T-Mobile was the intial iPhone carrier here in the Netherlands (and large part of Europe as well I believe)

iPhone can do it, and as you can see people buy them. Windows Phone can not. It needs all the help it can. Sorry but that is reality.

Let's see which foolish person calls me a troll next without disputing facts.

UndergroundWire said,

#3 Windows Phone is no iPhone. You simply can't compare the two. The iPhone has customers willing to line up for it; Windows Phone has silly gimmicks on how it "smokes" the iPhone.

You mean 'gimmicks' like not only being faster to complete tasks, more automated, so the user doesn't have to navigate several Apps to accomplish a simple task?

Or do you mean the actual technical data, that shows a first generation single core 1ghz WP7 phone can often provide faster application level code execution, and can render graphics at 2-3x the rate of the iPhone4S?

Or the gimmick that shows WP7 IE9 to be 5-20 times faster than the iPhone browser on the 4S on graphical RIA HTML5 sites?


There are some very technical and 'solid' reason why WP7 is FASTER, even on lower end hardware than the iPhone's iOS. Starting with the OAL fo the WinCE kernel (like NT's HAL) and moving all the way up to the application framework of the OS.

There are also the performance advantages of using DirectX over OpenGL ES, which is rather vast in a mobile setting and even significant on a desktop platform with a 20% variation is performance.

So these 'gimmicks' may seem silly to you, but at the end of the day, the free WP7 or the one that cost $50 lets consumers do things faster, requires less effort through the automated UI constructs, and even when it comes to putting pixels to the screen in a game or even a graphical browser test, will outperform an iPhone that has 2 to 3 times the hardware potential.


Now before you give a canned, "is that the best answer you can offer," I will let you in on a secret, no it is not.

We can make this a day long read. And heck, lets just do a technical skimming that would need to be broke down into many levels of detail beyond this example:

Start with the kernel differences where the iOS variation of MACH is implemented poorly on iOS, and even if it was implemented as perfect as possible, due to the MACH/BSD design has more overhead than full NT let alone the much smaller WinCE.

The BSD to MACH interface of the kernel chokes the device at scheduling, memory allocation, and falls short when it comes to driver efficiency.

(This is where I would add in a jab about, like the guy that designed MACH now works for Microsoft, and is shocked that it wasn't killed off years ago due to other kernel advances that surpass it by generations.)

That paragraph of the merits of MACH and the iOS implementation would be extrapolate into several chapters if not a full book if I had time.

Next would be contrasting the WinCE kernel and also a bit on the NT kernel as WinCE is modeled after NT, and on today's hardware has less of a performance advantage than it did back in the late 90s when WinCE was designed to run a very low powered device with a tiny amount of RAM.

WinCE uses a OAL (sort of like the HAL from NT) that provides a highly optimized architectural interface, without code specific changes being necessary, making it far more flexible in porting that iOS or Linux even.

This 'abstraction' works in reverse by offering performance on devices that iOS or Android's Linux cannot unless they were designed and written JUST FOR that hardware. iOS has an advantage with Cortex and Apple shoving optimizations; however, these also 'lock' iOS and require recoding as it has to adapt to the newer variations like the A5 jump, etc. WinCE or NT just requires a HAL/OAL revision and a recompile.

The WinCE kernel model also offers device driver optimizations that are very hardware specific, which is why the graphics driver and video model on WinCE can access the GPU portions of the hardware significantly faster.

The faster GPU access also is 'assisted' by WP7 using DirectX instead of OpenGL ES. Not only does DirectX have more features, but is technically more pure and is why even on the desktop DirectX offers around 20% more performance than OpenGL can offer. (In the mobile world and OpenGL ES, this margin of difference is even bigger.)

This is why WP7 can push higher pixel fill rates and triangles per second on a GPU that is technically several times slower than the GPU in the iPhone.

....Ok, just tired now.

There is more specifics on the scheduling and memory mangement differences, as iOS has locking issues, where WinCE is a true real-time OS, and can spike up priority when needed. This is why important things like receiving messages and maintaining calls are not disrupted on the device by background or OS processes. (Unlike both iOS and Android.)


Next we could talk about the full OS model of iOS and WP7. Contrasting 'core services' to .NET and 'Cocoa touch' to Silverlight. Going over the performance advantages WP7 has and the features its model offers that iOS does not.

They are both MVC development architectures, but one was designed in the 1980s and one was designed back on new theories of code and UI abstraction about 8 to 9 years ago. (Hint, the older stuff in Cocoa limits it in features and performance.)

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I don't know if you are paid troll, just a person that loves their iPhone, or just abrasive; but you have no idea who you are discounting in the posts above, which is why it is just foolish to offer such directly confrontational and nonfactual responses, while also complaining they are not providing facts.

If you just love your iPhone, then great. Enjoy it, and let Apple or an OS Engineer that understands the merits of its technology defend it.

You can like a product and it not be perfect or the best at everything.

I am an engineer and I think WP7 has a lot of really good low level technology choices as well as user level usability features. But, it is not perfect, I can list the things it doesn't do perfectly and my personal opinion of mistakes in the product.

However, when it comes to 'performance', this is one area it has the iPhone and Android beat on several levels.

So if you are wanting to discredit WP7 and point out its flaws, at least illustrate a real flaw instead of making a false argument that tries to discredit one of the things it does remarkably well.

thenetavenger said,
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Holy...

A great response to one sentence. The only thing I would have suggested is that you provide some sources to back up your arguments. Aside from that, 9/10.

thenetavenger said,
Long-Winded

You mean 'gimmicks' like not only being faster to complete tasks, more automated, so the user doesn't have to navigate several Apps to accomplish a simple task?
In Android a task can be completed with one press as well. That is what widgets are there for. I can send a tweet or a facebook post with one click.

Or do you mean the actual technical data, that shows a first generation single core 1ghz WP7 phone can often provide faster application level code execution, and can render graphics at 2-3x the rate of the iPhone4S?
I'm sure you are a 100% right on this however why is it that developers prefer the iPhone over any other mobile OS if it is that slow?

Or the gimmick that shows WP7 IE9 to be 5-20 times faster than the iPhone browser on the 4S on graphical RIA HTML5 sites?
I'm sure you are right about this too. However, like I said before I have both a Galaxy Nexus and an iPhone 4S. I don't use my iPhone 4S very much because quite frankly to me it sucks. However I have it because of the great applications on it. With that said, since I use my Galaxy Nexus almost exclusively I can tell you that Chrome is pretty good on Android. It's no slouch. http://wikijailbreak.com/safar...i-vs-androids-chrome-video/

I don't know if you are paid troll, just a person that loves their iPhone, or just abrasive; but you have no idea who you are discounting in the posts above, which is why it is just foolish to offer such directly confrontational and nonfactual responses, while also complaining they are not providing facts.
That was very funny. Overall your post is extremely boring (as usual) but again I love MY ANDROID PHONE. Yes I have an iPhone as well because I find it to be extremely useful for certain situations. Maybe one day I can say the same thing about Windows Phone but as of right now, the UI sucks (I can't get past that), their market share is just horrible (so nobody really develops for it. How many useful unique apps does Windows Phone have? No do the same count with Android or iPhone. You see what I am saying.)

If Microsoft doesn't change things with Windows Phone, mark my words Blackberry will take back their failing name. Thus putting Microsoft permanently in the number 4 spot. Thankfully, Microsoft is in the number 4 spot that can quickly become number 3 if they did things right. But looking at an early look of the new Blackberry 10 device coming out in the second half of this year, that device is sexy. This is what people have been asking for a long time from Blackberry. This will keep Blackberry in corporate hands for a while now and it will maintain its #3 position. Windows Phone will then soon be forgotten. I hope Microsoft is willing to make changes soon.

Lastly, your long-winded answer was in response to what Microsoft has been doing (FACT). They are showing videos of how to post to social networks pretty quick, Really, that's how you are going to market a phone? My comment is based on those ridiculous "Smoked By Windows" videos. I wasn't saying anything that wasn't true.

You see how iPhone markets their phones? They show games and features specifically for the iPhone. Realistically that's what people want. Can you really dispute that?

Intrinsica said,

Holy...

A great response to one sentence. The only thing I would have suggested is that you provide some sources to back up your arguments. Aside from that, 9/10.

Damn. Nice post bro. Ugly troll (@Jarrichvdv) above you just got smoked by WP lover. (I'm a fan too! This will be my next phone!)

I purchased my Lumia 710 from T-Mobile (non-contract) and don't regret it one bit. It's the perfect size (not too thin/thick) so it feels great in my hand. And the Windows Phone OS is just a pleasure to use. I'm coming from an iPhone 3Gs and I always wanted to try a Windows Phone. Now that I have, I'm a very satisfied costumer and this is one OS that is highly underrated.

srprimeaux said,
I purchased my Lumia 710 from T-Mobile (non-contract) and don't regret it one bit. It's the perfect size (not too thin/thick) so it feels great in my hand. And the Windows Phone OS is just a pleasure to use. I'm coming from an iPhone 3Gs and I always wanted to try a Windows Phone. Now that I have, I'm a very satisfied costumer and this is one OS that is highly underrated.

Just got an SGSII recently, but my next upgrade might be a WP just cause of how badly Samsung is handling device upgrades.