Mac OS X Lion announced, coming Summer '11

Apple announced today at their "Back to the Mac" event, that they are releasing a new Mac OS X, called "Lion".

Apple wanted to bring some innovations found in the iPhone and iPad, and bring them back to the Mac. One of of the new features is multi-touch, so Apple is bringing multi-touch to Mac OS X Lion. Apple has tried long to bring multi-touch to the Mac through trackpads and mouse.

The App Store will also be making an appearance on Mac OS X Lion. With downloadable apps, like Angry birds, you'll be able to play games, browse apps, read books and many more. The Mac App Store will be separate from the iPhone, iPod and iPad store, but will be used just like it.

The store will feature free and paid apps, with the same agreement for developers (70/30). The Mac App Store will feature an update feature, checking to see if any of your apps are out of date, with automatic updating.

Lion will also include home screens, just like the iPhone and iPad. Having a few different desktops with icons across your home screen, so you can access your apps. The App Store will feature top paid, top free and many other categories like the mobile App Store has.

The Mac App Store also contains rating, comments and photos so you can see exactly what you're about to buy. Launch Pad in Lion will bring a quick and easy way to launch your apps onto your desktop, without cluttering your view up. You can also create folders, just like on iOS 4.0.

Lion will bring full screen apps to the desktop, just like in iPhoto, so you can focus on what you're reading or playing. With full screen mode, you want to find your apps and screens easier, well Lion is bringing a new feature called "Mission Control", where you can view all your opened screens with a single click, making it easier to open or browse through screens.

Apple plans on releasing Lion this summer. The Mac App Store will work on Snow Leopard, and will open in 90 days from today. Developers can submit applications next month.

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After 25 years or so of making software and operating systems. They introduce a new feature called FULL SCREEN wow im impressed. Never knew something like that existed before.

sweet5695 said,
After 25 years or so of making software and operating systems. They introduce a new feature called FULL SCREEN wow im impressed. Never knew something like that existed before.

love it!

Wonder if the app store will work like a lot of Linux package managers and offer the ability to search for and install updates for "all" of your software from one place.

Still haven't even tried out Snow Leopard. Feel like I'm getting behind on MacOS

Wonder if Lion will get priced like Snow Leopard did, or whether it'll be back to being a fully priced upgrade?

See, it's funny because I think this is what will happen: since there will be a Mac App Store Apple will start restricting (even more) the applications you can run on OSX. It will be a completely controlled environment where you have to pay for most of the stuff you use. No freeware for you.

psreloaded said,
Soon they will run out of names of tigers and lions.

Indeed. They've pretty much exhausted the list now unless they go to smaller cats (Lynx, Cougar, etc).

I can't help but think though despite the efforts on 10.x there has been a lot of work on what I guess will be MacOS 11.x!

The iOS UI works well for small devices, but does not scale to a 24-30" monitor. I have a feeling OSX may be on the way out as Apple is obviously refocusing on their more lucrative iOS devices...

The app store for the Mac... no thank you. It sounds like they are headed towards Mac's only being able to get their apps from a store in the future.

hagjohn said,
The app store for the Mac... no thank you. It sounds like they are headed towards Mac's only being able to get their apps from a store in the future.

It would take an enormous amount of time to change the desktop OS so significantly that you can't install software from outside the app store. It would also take money away from retailers currently selling Apple software.

While it is bound to happen eventually (cloud IS WHAT'S NEXT), and there'd be very little difference between a managed app store and simple signed code (assuming it's taken seriously), it's not going to take over any time soon, and besides...

By the time it does happen, years and years from now, if we're STILL working with the exact same desktop paradigm we have today, you have far worse things to be depressed about. The desktop is stagnating enough already, and we need changes like these to inspire other, newer ideas. I realize the techies of today have turned into crotchety old men who crap their pants at the thought of change, but we need new markets, and if hardware isn't going to innovate (yay, something new is faster. or smaller. or bigger. woo.), and software doesn't have innovative hardware to innovate on top of, we might as well evolve delivery and see if it plants some seeds.

Wow, some of these new 'gesture' ideas they have implemented are really cool. Guess I'm going to have to reconsider picking up a magic mouse after all.... I'm really liking the new launchpad and mission control.

So basically... Launchpad equals running programs from the desktop, like Windows? Hmm.. Looks a bit lame.

Im not bashing here, I own a mbp, iphone, imac, I love apple, this is just a little bit strange.

edit: fullscreen apps, the way it looks on the site, ROCKS!

btw .. what's there really any coincidence about Apple's name them 'Back To The Mac' when we are in the middle of Back To The Future 25th anniversary?

Euh hum, I think not.
Great strategy though!

I guess a lot of us REALLY expected big innovative introductions to OSX Lion but my question is .. what we saw today, is that ALL that will be on the new Mac OS X???

IMO, the only thing I liked a lot about Lion was the icon that moves from the App Store to the dock LOL

for those who don't know .. no .. Microsoft won't copy Apple on the App Store .. it already had it planned a few months ago http://bit.ly/cd5dcY [although now I wonder since when Apple had thought about the App Store]

astroX said,
I guess a lot of us REALLY expected big innovative introductions to OSX Lion but my question is .. what we saw today, is that ALL that will be on the new Mac OS X???

IMO, the only thing I liked a lot about Lion was the icon that moves from the App Store to the dock LOL

for those who don't know .. no .. Microsoft won't copy Apple on the App Store .. it already had it planned a few months ago http://bit.ly/cd5dcY [although now I wonder since when Apple had thought about the App Store]

No this is not all. This was just a sneak peek. Steve himself said there will be a ton more and he doesn't have time to show most of them here. Thus, wait for new updates from the top boss of Apple!

thextinct said,

No this is not all. This was just a sneak peek. Steve himself said there will be a ton more and he doesn't have time to show most of them here. Thus, wait for new updates from the top boss of Apple!

oh! good to hear then! thanks

thextinct said,
he doesn't have time to show most of them here. Thus, wait for new updates from the top boss of Apple!
"Doesn't have time", yeah sure. You realise that's just marketing? I'm sure there is more, they just don't want to show it all at once.

so Lion is basically iOS except without the calling and texting.... not unless you count messengers and skype for calling and texting features.

stablemist said,
so Lion is basically iOS except without the calling and texting.... not unless you count messengers and skype for calling and texting features.
No, it's still very much OSX. The new iOS style applications folder is just that, a folder! they merely replaced the App folder in the dock (you know the one that pops out) and replaced it with a full screen window (iPad style) and supports folders, which is much better then what we get right now. You need to calm down guys!!

It's actually not that bad, at the moment it looks alot like Snow Leopard. The Apps folder is gone and replaced with that fullscreen iPad style "launchpad" which in a lot of ways is better then the old way. Finally get fullscreen apps (being primarily a Windows user, this was a major frustration for me!) and Mission Control just seems like Exposé on steroids. Shaping up rather nicely to be honest and probably will upgrade my '09 Mac mini to it next year.

With a 24" monitor I have zero desire to view apps fullscreen unless it's a game of some sort, and I can do that now. I see nothing here that appeals to me.

Apps, apps, apps! So sick of hearing about them. Wish they'd leave them on portable devices and OFF our conventional PC's! How something really innovative: something that would actually convince Microsoft people that Macs are worth the price and can do things better than Windows. But no, more portable device backporting to further blur the line between PC and phone. What's wrong with having both?

Educated Idiot said,
Apps, apps, apps! So sick of hearing about them. Wish they'd leave them on portable devices and OFF our conventional PC's!

Yet again, you live up to your screen name. The app store on OS X will not be running the same type of apps as the iPhone and iPad. It will have full-featured desktop applications.

I am just waiting for the total cost of this software in terms of upgrade or new install to be announced. I hope soon so I can start getting the change bucket refilled for purchasing the OS next summer.

rrode74 said,
OS X Lion the OS for people that could never figure out how to set the clock on their VCR.

Is that supposed to somehow be a bad thing? There are millions of people out there that won't touch a computer because they see them as too complicated.

This was disappointing. An f11 fullscreen function build in the maximize button, and an app store for Mac osx Lion that will be available for Leopard in the next 90 days. Osx is slowly turning into IOS, ios5 and os11 will probably be the same.

JK533 said,
This was disappointing. An f11 fullscreen function build in the maximize button, and an app store for Mac osx Lion that will be available for Leopard in the next 90 days. Osx is slowly turning into IOS, ios5 and os11 will probably be the same.

Really ? you think what you saw today was anywhere near a final version? People have to calm down and wait, it was a sneak peak thats all.....

silverboy31 said,

Really ? you think what you saw today was anywhere near a final version? People have to calm down and wait, it was a sneak peak thats all.....

You can tell yourself that, or you can look at the announcement of Snow Leopard and what it ultimately was and realize that Apple doesn't introduce major new functionality at the last minute for point releases of their OS.

silverboy31 said,

Really ? you think what you saw today was anywhere near a final version? People have to calm down and wait, it was a sneak peak thats all.....

I know it was just a sneak peak, but even for a sneak peak it was kinda lame. I mean the store Will be in snow Leopard and the rest were not really features that are gonna make you say I "I want that". I know they say there are going to be a ton of more functions, but they should have showed a little more of those features that are going to be Lion only.

We will see when we come closer to the actual release but for now I am not impressed.

Few. Glad it's not Cougar. I'd hate to see it have the same name as my school's mascot. I could just see the campus tech (Apple) store promoting it that way if it were.

I wonder when the Windows App Store will be released? Can Windows call it an App Store when the 'Apps' are in a 'Program Files' folder? Wont this make people confused?

derekaw said,
I wonder when the Windows App Store will be released? Can Windows call it an App Store when the 'Apps' are in a 'Program Files' folder? Wont this make people confused?

I think it was a couple of months back that some information about Windows 8 was leaked about including an App store for Windows 8. So it is on the road map. What's funny is that people will say that Microsoft is copying Apple when Windows does come out with an app store, but that is not the case, it's been on the roadmap for years.

Omen1393 said,

What's funny is that people will say that Microsoft is copying Apple when Windows does come out with an app store, but that is not the case, it's been on the roadmap for years.

And how long has it been on Apple's roadmap? You know, the one we never see because unlike Microsoft they don't make it public knowledge.

derekaw said,
I wonder when the Windows App Store will be released? Can Windows call it an App Store when the 'Apps' are in a 'Program Files' folder? Wont this make people confused?

My friend, Windows has had an App store for a few years now.

PS Who ever sees the Program Files folder? Remember Application location and folder structures is only something Mac users still have to do.

(Seriously, considering it was the Mac and its GUI that made fun of C: to be behind the Windows UI and even have regressed to need a CLI and directory tree structures is somewhere between laughable and sad.)

In the next release, expect to be able to run iPhone apps on your Mac, because Lion apparently treats your desktop PC like a very immobile phone.

Uplift said,
it's only announcement of some of the features, they are pretty good and more will come as it gets closer to release

+1
Did people think they would get a whole picture of the OS today? They've got til next summer to release it. More features will come out closer to the release.

Seriously Apple, your big announcements for OS X Lion was that you are going to be bringing iOS features to OS X, what happened to "innovation," guess the OS after Lion will be iOS

Master1 said,
Seriously Apple, your big announcements for OS X Lion was that you are going to be bringing iOS features to OS X, what happened to "innovation," guess the OS after Lion will be iOS

There is nothing innovative about moving some features from a revolutionary and hugely successful tablet and mobile OS into the desktop OS? Really?

derekaw said,

There is nothing innovative about moving some features from a revolutionary and hugely successful tablet and mobile OS into the desktop OS? Really?

Revolutionary ??? Really

TechDudeGeorge said,
Windows 8 > This

guess people expected too much out of OS X Lion

hopefully we'll see some glimpse of Windows 8 at this month

Master1 said,

guess people expected too much out of OS X Lion

hopefully we'll see some glimpse of Windows 8 at this month

This. It has Lion towards the end! The name already makes it the King of OSX. So no reason why anyone wouldn't expect some sweet ass features as Apple is known to be a company of innovation.

Lol what? Macs didn't have full screen applications until now?

Also why does Apple have to keep coming up with retarded names for simple features? Alt-tab is too normal so they have to call it Mission Control? And then you have stuff like grand central dispatch =/

/- Razorfold said,
Lol what? Macs didn't have full screen applications until now?

Also why does Apple have to keep coming up with retarded names for simple features? Alt-tab is too normal so they have to call it Mission Control? And then you have stuff like grand central dispatch =/

Alt Tab has being around for years

evo_spook said,
Alt Tab has being around for years
I never said it was a new feature...I just wondered why they couldn't come up with normal names for it.

/- Razorfold said,
Lol what? Macs didn't have full screen applications until now?

Also why does Apple have to keep coming up with retarded names for simple features? Alt-tab is too normal so they have to call it Mission Control? And then you have stuff like grand central dispatch =/

Alt/Command+Tab and Mission Control are the same? I don't think so.

/- Razorfold said,
Lol what? Macs didn't have full screen applications until now?

No, but everything will become clear with a little research and video clip watching.

Lets see, minimize minimizes, X mimimizes differently. And Maximize doesn't maximize. I love how intuitive Apple is. I still can't fathom not being able to maximize a screen with one click .That isn't seriously the way it still is over there is it?

jimmyfal said,
Lets see, minimize minimizes, X mimimizes differently. And Maximize doesn't maximize. I love how intuitive Apple is. I still can't fathom not being able to maximize a screen with one click .That isn't seriously the way it still is over there is it?

Hmmm? The X button closes the window. It is a bit strange to get used to, but the flip side can also be confusing on Windows, where multiple windows of the same app sometimes behave as separate instances and sometimes behave as multiple windows from the same app instance.

I agree completely on maximizing though. I have an app on my Macbook (forget the name, I'll check up on it) that lets me drag to the top to maximize, like on Windows 7. They really should just make that a standard feature, Microsoft did well with that.

Stetson said,

Hmmm? The X button closes the window. It is a bit strange to get used to, but the flip side can also be confusing on Windows, where multiple windows of the same app sometimes behave as separate instances and sometimes behave as multiple windows from the same app instance.

I agree completely on maximizing though. I have an app on my Macbook (forget the name, I'll check up on it) that lets me drag to the top to maximize, like on Windows 7. They really should just make that a standard feature, Microsoft did well with that.


Cinch . . . I use and really like it.

Wow, Apple just invented the Netbook. They included SSD and increased the prices to Apple friendly profit levels. Yeah!

11-inch: 1.4GHz, $999 for 64GB SSD, $1,199 for 128GB SSD. 13-inch at $1,299 for 1.86GHz and 128GB SSD, and $1,499 (?) for 256GB SSD. Highly recyclable.

bluarash said,
Wow, Apple just invented the Netbook. They included SSD and increased the prices to Apple friendly profit levels. Yeah!

11-inch: 1.4GHz, $999 for 64GB SSD, $1,199 for 128GB SSD. 13-inch at $1,299 for 1.86GHz and 128GB SSD, and $1,499 (?) for 256GB SSD. Highly recyclable.

64 GB SSD for 999. and Still use old core 2 duo. Kidding me!!! Steve. Steve why steve.

satus said,

64 GB SSD for 999. and Still use old core 2 duo. Kidding me!!! Steve. Steve why steve.

cause people will still buy it, lmao

Just looking at a Dell Latitude 2110 netbook, I can't even get it up to the specs of the $999 11.6" MacBook Air, but maxing it all out (with worse specs, build quality, and much thicker), I'm getting a price of $743.

Elliott said,
Just looking at a Dell Latitude 2110 netbook, I can't even get it up to the specs of the $999 11.6" MacBook Air, but maxing it all out (with worse specs, build quality, and much thicker), I'm getting a price of $743.

People will complain just to complain without ever having done any research to find if they can get those same specs and features for the same price.

Elliott said,
Just looking at a Dell Latitude 2110 netbook, I can't even get it up to the specs of the $999 11.6" MacBook Air, but maxing it all out (with worse specs, build quality, and much thicker), I'm getting a price of $743.

Well if Dell doesn't offer it, then it must not exist in the PC world... Really? Dell makes middle of the road midrange computers and laptops, they are not the cheap nor the cutting edge of PC technology.

Seriously, go check out a few other brands, heck even look at Toshiba or HP, I bet I can find a TabletPC at HP or Fujitsu that is about the same weight, battery, 12" screen, using a I3 or I5 Core and $999 or under. (And it is a real touch screen/tablet PC, with a stylus and everything.)

I get so tired of people going, well compared to a Dell it is a good deal, and the Dell can't get all the features. Dell is so 1990s, it is not a leader in technology, seriously.

thenetavenger said,

Well if Dell doesn't offer it, then it must not exist in the PC world... Really? Dell makes middle of the road midrange computers and laptops, they are not the cheap nor the cutting edge of PC technology.

Seriously, go check out a few other brands, heck even look at Toshiba or HP, I bet I can find a TabletPC at HP or Fujitsu that is about the same weight, battery, 12" screen, using a I3 or I5 Core and $999 or under. (And it is a real touch screen/tablet PC, with a stylus and everything.)

I get so tired of people going, well compared to a Dell it is a good deal, and the Dell can't get all the features. Dell is so 1990s, it is not a leader in technology, seriously.

So you found one yet? You got some links you can share? At least back up what you so strongly claim.

ditoa said,

So you found one yet? You got some links you can share? At least back up what you so strongly claim.

Seriously, I have to do a Web Search for you or it doesn't exist?

Fine, I'll play...

http://store.shopfujitsu.com/f...dseriesbean.do?series=TH700
Core i3, 4lb, 6hrs+, 12" Tablet/Touch screen $999

And this is off the Fujitsu site, if you shop around, you can find them cheaper.

There are tons of other brands of Notebooks and TabletPCs that are in this price range or less with a lot more features than you can get on any Apple. (Things like faster GPUs, BluRay, integrated 3G/4G/WiMax, etc etc. And yes as light and with longer battery life.)

BTW Apple's con is they say 6hrs '*while surfing the web', other Notebook MFRs don't use 'web surfing only' as the metric for battery life, as they include listening to audio, watching movies, or using applications beyond a freaking browser.

Again, Dell is NOT a good check for 1) features 2) price point, as they do neither well. Heck even HP or Toshiba would be a better site to check out for feature and price comparisons.


PS How did I find this link? (Open Bing/Google - Type fujitsu Tablet PC - Click - Click) Amazing how magical the internet is uh? You will have to explore this 'magic' for yourself if you want to find 100 other notebooks that are better deals than what Apple offers.

Brando212 said,
no screenshots or anything?

There was the live keynote, they showed a demonstration a few minutes ago.
It'll probably be up on Apple's site in a few moments and I'm sure they will create a page just for this.

Mac App Store is fantastic, not so sure about that iOS Application layer though... All these features seem really good for people who have no idea what they're doing on their computer so I guess that's a good thing!

hotdog963al said,
Mac App Store is fantastic, not so sure about that iOS Application layer though... All these features seem really good for people who have no idea what they're doing on their computer so I guess that's a good thing!

And the App store is live on Snow Leopard in less than 90 days from now. This is great
Oh, and developers who hate the app store? Well, they can decide not to use it if they wish.
Those who like it, well they will make a great use of it.

hotdog963al said,
Mac App Store is fantastic, not so sure about that iOS Application layer though... All these features seem really good for people who have no idea what they're doing on their computer so I guess that's a good thing!

Having a desktop app store is a great thing that has been talked about for YEARS and Apple deserves credit for making a major move toward it. Ubuntu sorta does it? But...it's Linux, so it's not exactly going to make a splash, and the idea of an approval process would put most of the FOSS community into a very sandy vag stance.

Enthusiasts have demanded MS open Windows Update to 3rd party software, and to a lesser extent a software hub, but any kind of development in that direction has been largely left up to...more 3rd parties (see: Steam). So good on Apple for this. We already go to software repositories anyway, so there's nothing wrong with unifying and taking it out of the browser.

P.S. Does anybody else LOVE more stuff leaving the web instead of going to it?

ahhell said,
"Lion will bring full screen apps to the desktop"
This is a new "feature"?? Really?
Full screen apps and maximized apps aren't really the same thing (though, really, proper app maximizing is severely lacking in OS X right now). Full screen apps now behave like virtual desktops, so every app has its own space. They also might behave slightly differently (like, in iPhoto, the interface isn't nearly the same in full screen as it is in windowed mode).

They took something that they used to be lacking in comparison to Windows (proper maximizing for most apps) and actually made it better than what Windows does now.

ahhell said,
"Lion will bring full screen apps to the desktop"
This is a new "feature"?? Really?
You have never read the list of new features in Apple products have you?

I remember a page about like 100+ new features in Safari 4, they repeated the same features over and over again, reworded, and also added stupid little features that existed.

They try to make their products seem a lot better than what they added, but if people were to pay attention, they would see right through it.

Mr aldo said,
You have never read the list of new features in Apple products have you?

I remember a page about like 100+ new features in Safari 4, they repeated the same features over and over again, reworded, and also added stupid little features that existed.

They try to make their products seem a lot better than what they added, but if people were to pay attention, they would see right through it.


Seriously -- the full screen mode they just announced is nothing like a full screen application on Windows. Try watching the keynote or at least a video clip. A maximized window in Lion get its own virtual desktop which you switch to with mouse gestures, so you don't have to restore it just because you want to work with more windows at once occasionally.

Northgrove said,

Seriously -- the full screen mode they just announced is nothing like a full screen application on Windows. Try watching the keynote or at least a video clip. A maximized window in Lion get its own virtual desktop which you switch to with mouse gestures, so you don't have to restore it just because you want to work with more windows at once occasionally.

In other words, it's the kind of app switching we had in DOS in 1985 that used a TSR for cycling apps with a key stroke, but replacing the keystroke with a gesture.

Yeah, I remember that program. It's the one that was copied (with permission) by a Mac OS software developer, offered as an addon for System 7, and built into...8? I think. The Mac version was really gross though and essentially just functioned as virtual desktops that you had to cycle through in order.

Northgrove said,

Seriously -- the full screen mode they just announced is nothing like a full screen application on Windows. Try watching the keynote or at least a video clip. A maximized window in Lion get its own virtual desktop which you switch to with mouse gestures, so you don't have to restore it just because you want to work with more windows at once occasionally.

Um, yes an no... Fullscreen applications can ask and get their own virtual desk space as well, it is just not common.

The current fullscreen methods work well, and are known to developers as they are a hold over XP days before the WDDM.

(Work with multi-monitor setups and you can see where it is used and where it is not based on how Vista and Win7 handles the display differently, assigning new desktop space to monitors instead of the old XP tricks.)

The real news is that OS X is making this a bit more technically advanced and like Windows at the technical level, with a few new UI gestures and actions to flip between them to be more iOS like. Don't be surprised to see full screen flipping in Win8, and all Mac users go, OMG Microsoft copied Apple, when in reality, the technology has always in Windows since Vista, there just isn't any additional UI flipping gestures for this specifically beyond the normal interfaces and Win-Tab Flip 3D.

Northgrove said,
so you don't have to restore it just because you want to work with more windows at once occasionally.
... I read, while switching between maximised apps with the taskbar.

I think the App Store will be a great addition and help stimulate the creation of more great software for Mac OS X (so long as they don't lock down Mac OS like they have done with iOS). What is nice about the App Store paradigm is that it makes it easy for developers to get their software to the consumer w/o being overburdened with the overhead of distributing the software (adverts, web pages, packaging/manuals).

Shadrack said,
I think the App Store will be a great addition and help stimulate the creation of more great software for Mac OS X (so long as they don't lock down Mac OS like they have done with iOS). What is nice about the App Store paradigm is that it makes it easy for developers to get their software to the consumer w/o being overburdened with the overhead of distributing the software (adverts, web pages, packaging/manuals).

I do think that Apple might not allow some apps on the store but a Mac isn't locked down like an iOS device so you could still get those apps direct from the developer. But the Mac App Store will feature them and most likely increase sales. Also, people might prefer to use apps that are on the store because of the simplicity in installing an updating those apps. So while better alternatives might be available, lots of people will choose the simplicity of it all.

asdavis10 said,

I do think that Apple might not allow some apps on the store but a Mac isn't locked down like an iOS device so you could still get those apps direct from the developer.

Yet.

asdavis10 said,
So while better alternatives might be available, lots of people will choose the simplicity of it all.

That and since everything in the app store has to be verified first, it is a more secure path for getting apps compared to just downloading directly from a random site.

So Apple remembered it can do virtual-desktops as well. A suppsoe for those who like to have yet more grids of icons on their big 27" screens it's nice.

There will be a lot of dead people when they discover what the green button does now. I mean, how many times we read that "maximizing applications is useless nowadays"? laaa la la laaa la...

Gabotril said,
There will be a lot of dead people when they discover what the green button does now. I mean, how many times we read that "maximizing applications is useless nowadays"? laaa la la laaa la...

What does it do? And I could not live without the maximize button (totally understanding).

Gabotril said,
There will be a lot of dead people when they discover what the green button does now. I mean, how many times we read that "maximizing applications is useless nowadays"? laaa la la laaa la...

Actually, being a Mac users for 4 years, I always hated and admitted that I hated that zoom button. It should definitely maximize a window, just like it does on Windows. Microsoft got it right the first time, and I don't know why it took Apple so many years to adopt this.

Recon415 said,

What does it do? And I could not live without the maximize button (totally understanding).

You literally don't know until you press it.

Sometimes it maximises apps, sometimes it turns them into a compact version, sometimes it makes windows smaller, sometimes just changes their shape randomly and sometimes it does nothing at all. Every click is a surprise.

Examinus said,
Every click is a surprise.

QFT. The button is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.

Examinus said,

You literally don't know until you press it.

Sometimes it maximises apps, sometimes it turns them into a compact version, sometimes it makes windows smaller, sometimes just changes their shape randomly and sometimes it does nothing at all. Every click is a surprise.

Just like the old days of the Backspace and Delete keys on a Mac, every application handled them differently, sometimes they erased the letter on the left, sometimes they erased the letter on the right and sometimes the keys didn't even work.

It is this 'consistent' and 'solid' UI that Mac users love and depend on.

(There truly is a nice consistency to the Windows UI that a lot of people too easily disregard. From being able to do everything with a keyboard if needed to having consistent APIs that handle things like this instead of leaving it up to the application developers.)

thenetavenger said,
There truly is a nice consistency to the Windows UI that a lot of people too easily disregard. From being able to do everything with a keyboard if needed to having consistent APIs that handle things like this instead of leaving it up to the application developers.

QFT.
That being said, as a recent convert, I am getting my around the Mac "philosophy". Having terminal there is a great compensation, although I assume the OS had been fine tuned enough to erase most quirks. Except for maximize, which I'd definitely appreciate!

thenetavenger said,

Just like the old days of the Backspace and Delete keys on a Mac, every application handled them differently, sometimes they erased the letter on the left, sometimes they erased the letter on the right and sometimes the keys didn't even work.

It is this 'consistent' and 'solid' UI that Mac users love and depend on.

(There truly is a nice consistency to the Windows UI that a lot of people too easily disregard. From being able to do everything with a keyboard if needed to having consistent APIs that handle things like this instead of leaving it up to the application developers.)

Do you mean consistent like not beeing able to delete a file because it is used by an app even though the said app has been killed using windows task manager ?

Or consistent like World of warcraft just crashed and i need to reboot Windows because alt-f4 and ctrl-alt-del are not working even though Ventrillo and my g5 screen app are still working properly ?

Honestly every OS have their share of problems. I personally think that outside of gaming Mac, Windows and Linux are all doing a great job.