Mac sales are up as the PC industry shrinks

While the PC industry is shrinking as a whole, Apple's Mac sales are up according to new data from NPD showing sales are significantly higher this year.

All Things D says the NPD data cited by Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster shows Mac sales rose by an impressive 31 percent year over year for the month of January. Munster believes that the reason for this significant improvement is due to Apple catching up with iMac supply, however the Apple Store still has a wait of two-to-four week shipping times so it seems Apple could still do more to meet demand.

In Apple's last earnings report, CEO Tim Cook said that iMac supplies had not been what the company had hoped:

 We left the quarter with significant constraints on the iMac. And we believe … that our sales would have been materially higher if those constraints weren’t there.”

Cook then went on to promise that Apple would work to increase iMac production, however he warned that the supply-demand balance may be something of a moving target in the short term.

On iMac, we are confident that we are going to significantly increase the supply. But the demand here is very strong, and we are not certain that we will achieve a supply-demand balance during the quarter.

Another likely reason for the major bump in Mac sales is that more users want to be in Apple's entire ecosystem having already picked up iPhones and/or iPads. The benefits of syncing services between devices may be driving users to purchase Macs.

Source: All Things D | Image: Apple

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Hahah, where are all those people that kept shooting those of us that were seriously concerned about Windows 8 being the end of Windows?!?!?! I still hate Apple for what it is, but I feel vindicated by these results. Windows 8 is seriously unproductive and it was stupid of MS to screw over laptop productivity for a touch interface. Those two ladies that drove Metro and are now the heads of Windows simply because they are women, enjoy being there for the end of Windows and PC's.

Windows 8 may seem unproductive at first, but once you get used to it, you'd probably like it. If you really (honest and truly) can't get used to it, then you should install a third-party program that brings back the Start Menu. It's better than downgrading to an older, inferior version of Windows.

Windows 8's a big change and it takes a little time. Just like Windows 95 took a little time to get used to. Once people got used to it, they loved it.

Albert said
maybe windows fanboys are buying mac. after all. a bloated o.s. needs an expensive p.c. ho ho ho.
Windows isn't bloated on it's own. It's the OEM's that put their software in the OS.

It's not difficult for a company with such a small share of the desktop computer market to show an increase in sales and as captain Tim is quoted as saying last year sales were down.

It doesn't matter if Mac sales are growing. It doesn't mean it'll stay that way. Plus, PC's are going to be around for a very long time.

Mac's are no better than PC's just like PC's are no better than Mac. In today's world of technology, you can do just as much on either machines.

Labelling each other is not strictly discussion; I know this is the Internet but could we at least attempt some intelligent comment?

BavonWW said
Labelling each other is not strictly discussion; I know this is the Internet but could we at least attempt some intelligent comment?
Don't hold your breath.

Lol. Poor people buying Macs. Windows 8 on touch screens is so nice I cant imagine wanting a non-touch OS ever again.

Of course it will be a little while before I can afford a touch screen monitor for my desktop but a year from now they will probably be lower in price. =)

Scabrat said,
Lol. Poor people buying Macs. Windows 8 on touch screens is so nice I cant imagine wanting a non-touch OS ever again.

Why are people 'poor' because they have a difference preference to you?

Mac sales are on the rise because windows 8 has completely bombed at retail, those of you who work at the retail level know this to be 100% true and this was predicted long before windows 8 was released.

Order_66 said,
Mac sales are on the rise because windows 8 has completely bombed at retail, those of you who work at the retail level know this to be 100% true and this was predicted long before windows 8 was released.

Don't you dare point out that the public hates the Start screen UI.... Dot Matrix will kill you! sadly it's the truth, bad PR has turned windows 8 at the public level into Windows Vista, you hear just as many "I heard that....." comments on windows 8 as you did on windows vista... you didn't get that in windows 7...

That's kind of odd, considering I've heard less and less people talking about Mac's or OSX since the whole "the desktop is dead" thing... Heck when was the last huge Mac announcement? The last iMac announcement seemed kind of toned down, the last big one seemed like it was the MacBook Air and that was a few years ago now... OSX hasn't had any huge changes lately or big announcements... sure they've had minor revisions, but at this point Apple needs to shake things up by making Mac OS 11 or something..

CSharp. said,

Why?

why? the same reason MS had to change windows... OSX market share is minuscule compared to Windows, they need a game changer like iOS was or OSX will continue to fade off into the sunset

source article "According to NPD data cited by Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster, Mac sales rose 31 percent year over year for the month of January. Why? Simple. Said Munster, “We believe the reason for the significant improvement in the sales data is primarily due to Apple catching up with iMac supply.”

Cus there catching up with supply, what about december? sales would have fallen year on year... read!

last quarter mac sales were down %20,because apple said they didn't have a certain item for sale. but a month later they did and mac sales are up. WOW WHAT A ****IN REVELATION

This article is completely and UTTERLY POINTLESS. The source just basically says that mac sales are up in january cus they didnt have any imacs to sell at the end of the year and the only reason its so high is because there basically fulfilling back orders along with current sales for the month.

No where does it say ANYTHING about mac sales increasing and PC sales declining. Stop posting bull**** news to incite a flame war. Useless article

It wasn't posted to incite a flame war, it was posted to create discussion. Actually the Jan increase goes up year over year so it isn't just due to fulfilling back orders.

we will see how much they sold when the quarter is over and they release how many Macintosh they sold.

At Stephen Robinson I would think you would do your readers even a little bit of service and actually do even a little research when posting things like these like pulling up some old financials. how many they sold last quarter? how many they sold last year at this time?

NDP said they rose up to 31% in January.....that's only one month which isn't really a good point to make a data claim on. you can have a good month and they a horrible month after that which would negate the good sales of the good month.

anyway Stephen a little more data would hurt, showing that you at least know what you're talking and not just regurgitating news you see around the web.

Actually 31 percent year over year is different to rose 31% in January.

I don't need to provide the numbers every time we speak about sales, that is regurgitating information to. The year over year percent growth backs it up just fine.

xstex said,
Actually 31 percent year over year is different to rose 31% in January.

I don't need to provide the numbers every time we speak about sales, that is regurgitating information to. The year over year percent growth backs it up just fine.

I did say 31% in January is just one month, it's not enough data. if you had bothered to read my comment properly you would see that's the same thing I said when it came to that. however, if you can't do your math I guess someone has to do it for you:

2011 Q1: 4.13m macs | 2012 Q1: 5.2m macs | 2013 Q1: 4.1 macs: thats -27% decline from last year and -1% decline from 2011
2011 Q2: 3.76m macs | 2012 Q2: 4m macs | NA that's 6% increase from 2011, however on their sheet they have it at 7%
2011 Q3: 3.95m macs | 2012 Q3: 4m macs |NA thats 1.25% increase from 2011, however on their sheet they put 2%
2011 Q4: 4.89m macs | 2012 Q4: 4.9m macs |NA a 0.2% increase. but they put it at 1% on their sheets.

so far the 1st quarter of this year the mac is in the negative doing worse than 1st quarter of 2011.
basically the mac line has been in the same place it has always been. selling way less than 6 million a quarter.

xstex said,
Actually 31 percent year over year is different to rose 31% in January.

I don't need to provide the numbers every time we speak about sales, that is regurgitating information to. The year over year percent growth backs it up just fine.

a couple people on here has been saying NDP is biased blah blah, I don't know if they are but I'm inclined to believe they are not. but one thing I know apple stock was on a decline and as soon as they released those numbers the stock took a very very sharp climb....coincidence? I really don't think so.

xstex said,

I don't need to provide the numbers every time we speak about sales, that is regurgitating information to.

Saying that makes you sound ignorant and like you don't care about the quality of your work, when you start talking about money and numbers you ABSOLUTELY need to bring up all the numbers. Especially when your article is what...only 12 lines of actual text you typed yourself?

After reading that comment I don't think I'll be taking anymore of your work seriously.

ctrl_alt_delete said,

a couple people on here has been saying NDP is biased blah blah, I don't know if they are but I'm inclined to believe they are not. but one thing I know apple stock was on a decline and as soon as they released those numbers the stock took a very very sharp climb....coincidence? I really don't think so.

I would expect MS shares to go up if a surge in MS powered PCs sales would go up 31%.
If a war start in the Middle East be reassured that car makers shares would sink.

People are keeping their hands on PCs longer than they used to. Heck, my parents kept their old Dell for 10 years. Ran fine, nothing wrong with it, and did what they needed.

techbeck said,
People are keeping their hands on PCs longer than they used to. Heck, my parents kept their old Dell for 10 years. Ran fine, nothing wrong with it, and did what they needed.

It's true. I remember in years past when a 3 year old computer was completely outdated.

I have a temporary workstation at work (my laptop is getting fixed) that is a really nice decked out brand new XEON E5 w/ 16GB of ram, dual graphics cards. This thing is REALLY nice (and expensive). Its a pretty snappy machine. Despite this, when I go home and boot up my Core2Quad (Q6600) desktop from 2007 I know I'm not going to be itching for an upgrade. It does everything I need (and plays the games that I play) just fine. The performance and application gain rate year-to-year has really tapered off.

This feels like a spin on market share, where as PC share may drop percentage wise Apple gets bigger but it does not mean more sales at all.. Would be interesting to see the source of this ..

I don't understand how one can be so deeply involved in computing that one "hates" some tech company. Use that rage for better things...

OK, but we could make numbers tell us more : it tell us that people want higher quality material factored laptop PC as Macs are, exit plastics and poor designed PC.
What we see is HP, Acer , Toshiba (and others...) huge pastic PC demand going down. I'm pretty sure Asus products as Zenbook and other laptop still selling. If people can buy Mac latops, they can buy higher quality PC when they re seeing benefits in.
So, I know why Acer CEO is unhappy about high quality hardware devices as Surface... And these numbers also tell us Surface sales are up in a PC sales shrinking.

Well of course Mac sales are up. When you need a new PC, you can upgrade components. When you need a new Mac, you dispose of your old one and buy a whole new machine.

You can but how many people actually do? I know a majority of tech loving people do, but general consumers? The average joes I know just buy a new PC.

Yup yup! My PC from 2009 has an ssd, 7770ghz edition gpu, and 8gb of ram. My old roommates' mac from 2009 has 4gb of ram, Intel graphics, and needs to be replaced.

xstex said,
You can but how many people actually do? I know a majority of tech loving people do, but general consumers? The average joes I know just buy a new PC.

The average joes I know (mothers and fathers of my friends), asks their kids to upgrade their PC for them. As for Apple users that I know (students); they buy new machines.

xstex said,
That's fair enough Pupik. I just see a different thing happening.

Same here. Beyond the occasional memory upgrade or HDD replacement people I hear about hardly ever change something about their computers. Be it PC or Mac.

Enron said,
Well of course Mac sales are up. When you need a new PC, you can upgrade components. When you need a new Mac, you dispose of your old one and buy a whole new machine.

Not necessarily. I have upgraded a lot of components on Macs.

Pupik said,

The average joes I know (mothers and fathers of my friends), asks their kids to upgrade their PC for them. As for Apple users that I know (students); they buy new machines.

Oh... come on... You're drowning in hate.
The majority of people I know and do tech work for buy new computers to replace old ones. Their kids are more computer savvy than they are but not enough to be able to upgrade a computer.

Enron said,
Well of course Mac sales are up. When you need a new PC, you can upgrade components. When you need a new Mac, you dispose of your old one and buy a whole new machine.

This exactly. I know so many people who build their own computer now instead of buying one off the shelf. Mac people can't do that.

Buttus said,

This exactly. I know so many people who build their own computer now instead of buying one off the shelf. Mac people can't do that.

Do your friends happen to be tech savvy?

Because the majority of computer users arent. They can't even fix their own computer much less build one from scratch.

MidTxWRX said,

Do your friends happen to be tech savvy?
Because the majority of computer users arent. They can't even fix their own computer much less build one from scratch.

some are, some aren't, but the ones that aren't ask those who are for help. People are realizing that you get much more for the same amount of money by building your own computer.

i'd like to see a comparison between the number of video cards sold vs the number of pc's sold....

I upgraded the RAM and replaced the DVD drive with an SSD drive in my Macbook Pro. In another year I'll probably replace the battery. I've done similar upgrades on other Macs maybe 20 times - for myself, friends, & coworkers.

In my experience, the main difference in hardware upgradability between PC's and Macs is that in Macs you can't generally can't replace the video card or motherboard. I don't see that as a that big of deal - these are not trivial upgrades on any computer system - it's more like replacing the engine in a car. I think even most do-it-your-self people don't replace the engines in their car. For upgrades that major, it usually just makes more sense to buy a new car and sell your current one - especially if the older car keeps resale value like a typical Mac.

Most computer users I know of just buy a new machine. Be it a PC or a Mac.

Hell, if the system gets bogged down by too much crapware, people opt to buy a new machine instead of reinstall the OS.

Face it, most people just don't care enough about 'savings' to muddle around inside a computer, or get friends/kids to do it (they don't want to waste their time either). They'd rather just buy a new bargain bin PC for $300 every few years.

I've seen it time and time again, I only know a handful of people that actually upgrade anything big (not including RAM) inside their computers, and they are geeks.

The article doesn't suggest any different. Macs are a type of PC and are increasing in sales, but the whole PC industry is shrinking as a whole.

xstex said,
The article doesn't suggest any different. Macs are a type of PC and are increasing in sales, but the whole PC industry is shrinking as a whole.

Please stop speaking as if Apple have released sales figures and comparisons... this is a report (albeit biased)...

ingramator said,
Please stop speaking as if Apple have released sales figures and comparisons... this is a report (albeit biased)...

If the title was "PC sales are up as Mac sales shrink" you would be jumping up and down praising the people who wrote this report. Like xstex says you have no evidenece this article is wrong.

.Neo said,

If the title was "PC sales are up as Mac sales shrink" you would be jumping up and down praising the people who wrote this report. Like xstex says you have no evidenece this article is wrong.

Even if Apple themselves said what the research found, people would still scream that they are screwing the numbers or are lying, purely because they don't like Apple.

The NPD has no reason to be biased or lie.

.Neo said,

If the title was "PC sales are up as Mac sales shrink" you would be jumping up and down praising the people who wrote this report. Like xstex says you have no evidenece this article is wrong.

Lenovo/Samsung sales are up AFAIK. So "PC industry" might be shrinking but not every vendor is going down.

BajiRav said,

Lenovo/Samsung sales are up AFAIK. So "PC industry" might be shrinking but not every vendor is going down.

Nobody claimed every vendor is going down, not in this article or the source. It is shrinking as a whole and that's all the article points out.

xstex said,

Nobody claimed every vendor is going down, not in this article or the source. It is shrinking as a whole and that's all the article points out.


So what's the point of saying that Macs are up when PCs are down? (yeah Macs are PCs too but when you say PCs in the same sentence, pretty much means everyone except Apple)

BajiRav said,

So what's the point of saying that Macs are up when PCs are down? (yeah Macs are PCs too but when you say PCs in the same sentence, pretty much means everyone except Apple)

Saying that the PC industry as a whole is declining is totally different to saying every PC manufacturer is not doing well. You could swap out Apple for Lenovo and say Lenovo computers sales are up as the PC industry shrinks. People seem to have a problem just because the research was about Apple.

xstex said,

Saying that the PC industry as a whole is declining is totally different to saying every PC manufacturer is not doing well. You could swap out Apple for Lenovo and say Lenovo computers sales are up as the PC industry shrinks. People seem to have a problem just because the research was about Apple.

i'm sure like many others here, it's not a problem because it's about Apple, its a problem because of how you put your "news". geez, next time at least try to put some analyses into the things you want to give your reader instead of regurgitating other people's articles around the web....don't be a dumb pipe that just spews out what comes into it. at least put a filter in that pipe and filter out the nonsense and give us something proper and meaning to read.

xstex said,

Saying that the PC industry as a whole is declining is totally different to saying every PC manufacturer is not doing well. You could swap out Apple for Lenovo and say Lenovo computers sales are up as the PC industry shrinks. People seem to have a problem just because the research was about Apple.

Uh my problem is what your article is (falsely) implying and not that Apple is doing good. If you had just said Apple turns around after last quarter or whatever, I wouldn't have a problem with this article. As post above me says, problem is with the way you've written the article and not that Mac sales are up.

BajiRav said,

So what's the point of saying that Macs are up when PCs are down? (yeah Macs are PCs too but when you say PCs in the same sentence, pretty much means everyone except Apple)
et me rephrase it for you:
PC running Windows sales are overall down, PC running Apple OS are up.

Fritzly said,
et me rephrase it for you:
PC running Windows sales are overall down, PC running Apple OS are up.

this is actually false. last quarter mac sales were actually less than they were in 2011......1st quarter of 2012 mac declined 27% and last quarter sales declined another 1%. lets see what this quarter brings in....but so far only analysts can pull figures out there a**es.

once again mac sales are not up at least not for the 1st quarter.

The way I see it, businesses are more than happy with Window XP and a a PC which is 5 years old as it does the job, and whilst times are hard buying a new PC isn't ideal.
Whereas, designers and domestic users but more frequently and due to iPhone/iPad sales many are tempted to buy Apple.

I buy a new PC every 5 years, where my designer friends seem to spend twice the amount on iMacs and every 2-3 years.

So I'm not sure it's a shrinking PC industry, just not as frequent purchasing right now.

Surely even if it is due to less frequent purchasing that's still a decline in sales? Less sales still equals a shrinking.

As a video designer that works outside of USA, I still don't understand the appeal of "designers" in USA to work with Apple products.

What kind of tripe logic is this? How can you possibly know that businesses are happy with a PC which is five years old, and how can you know that designers and domestic users buy more frequently?

And even if you had amazing insight to know the above (and let's be clear, you do not), your logic is still flawed as xstex has pointed out.

Is there an award for dumbest post of the day? If so, put yourself forwards, I think you are in for a shot.

xstex said,
Surely even if it is due to less frequent purchasing that's still a decline in sales? Less sales still equals a shrinking.

Not really. Let's say there is one Apple user who updates every 2 years, and two PC users that update every 5 years. Over 10 years there would be five Apple sales and four PC sales. On sales alone you would conclude that the Apple market is bigger, but in actual fact there is twice as many PC users.

Having said that, I'm sure the PC market is in fact shrinking with the rise of tablets. Though I don't think it's as drastic as it's made out to be.

Shannon said,

Not really. Let's say there is one Apple user who updates every 2 years, and two PC users that update every 5 years. Over 10 years there would be five Apple sales and four PC sales. On sales alone you would conclude that the Apple market is bigger, but in actual fact there is twice as many PC users.

Having said that, I'm sure the PC market is in fact shrinking with the rise of tablets. Though I don't think it's as drastic as it's made out to be.

Let's say there is one Apple user who updates every 5 years, and two PC users that update every 2 years. Over 10 years there would be 2 Apple sales and 10 PC sales. On sales alone you would conclude that the MS market is bigger, but actual fact is more people moving to mac instead of windows

Generally speaking, designers have taste (I'm sure you do, too - that's why you're a designer) , and Apple makes the most aesthetically pleasing hardware and software. S designers choose to do their work in the more beautiful environment

TheDogsBed said,

Is there an award for dumbest post of the day? If so, put yourself forwards, I think you are in for a shot.

I did say, it's the way I see it, and I also think you'd win **** of the day, put yourself forward you're the best I've seen

THolman said,
Generally speaking, designers have taste (I'm sure you do, too - that's why you're a designer) , and Apple makes the most aesthetically pleasing hardware and software. S designers choose to do their work in the more beautiful environment
Very true, although I find Windows more productive from a functionality & features point of view.
The Apple hardware is of a high standard, but very few spend equal on a PC.

But the fact that Mac sales are up is true, and the PC industry as a whole is declining year-on-year is true. So what is biased about it?

xstex said,
But the fact that Mac sales are up is true, and the PC industry as a whole is declining year-on-year is true. So what is biased about it?

Some "research" by some group does not mean it's true in fact I remember reading a report that Apples mac shipments were decreasing faster than PCs so calling this a truth is contradictory to what other journalists/"analysts" have said.

Two words: Stock manipulation

Think how we suddenly start getting positive AAPL news after the stock slumped last month - first the watch then this, wonder what's next. Usual AAPL fanboy bloggers at work here.
On topic: So why not compare Apple with Lenovo who had impressive growth as well?

BajiRav said,
Two words: Stock manipulation

Evidence please?

Also nobody claimed every PC maker is going down, not in this article or the source.

javagreen said,
I was wondering when you'd show up, and hey pronto! You're here

I always wonder where you are when it involves some other company but Apple.

xstex said,
But the fact that Mac sales are up is true, and the PC industry as a whole is declining year-on-year is true. So what is biased about it?

they were down last quarter because they didn't have a certain item for sale,when they got it in they sold them in January instead. If you lost $100 betting,and next month you won $100 betting,you wouldn't been jumping for joy and say you won $100 .You would have broken even.

cyborgs said,
The Halo Effect. PC will keep sliding, while Mac will keep climbing. Big threat indeed.

I am planning to ditch windows 8 for a mac. I am sure many like me moved after 8.
No surprise there.

ahoncbt said,

I am planning to ditch windows 8 for a mac. I am sure many like me moved after 8.
No surprise there.

Cause of unbiased hatred? Enjoy your mac then ;D

ahoncbt said,

I am planning to ditch windows 8 for a mac. I am sure many like me moved after 8.
No surprise there.

Meh... I have an iMac and I use Windows 8 at work, on my media center, and I also have a Surface RT.

They all work fantastically for what I have them set up for.

Shadrack said,

Haters: Takes one to know one.

I fail to see why someone stating that he does not like Windows anymore and will switch to Apple is a "Hater"....

Fritzly said,

I fail to see why someone stating that he does not like Windows anymore and will switch to Apple is a "Hater"....

Yeah, I don't either. That's why I made a smarmy comment at Shadowzz.

ahoncbt said
I am planning to ditch windows 8 for a mac. I am sure many like me moved after 8.No surprise there.
That would be the dumbest thing someone could do..

dtourond said,
That would be the dumbest thing someone could do..

When Dominoes Pizza updated their receipt, I tried it and hated it. Have been a loyal Little Caesars fan ever since. True Story.

dtourond said,
That would be the dumbest thing someone could do..

so all mac users who switched from windows xp,vista,7 did the dumbest thing? dont see your point!!

Shadrack said
When Dominoes Pizza updated their receipt, I tried it and hated it. Have been a loyal Little Caesars fan ever since. True Story.
I used to love Dominos, but then I tried Santa Lucia, and everything just changed

ahoncbt said
so all mac users who switched from windows xp,vista,7 did the dumbest thing? dont see your point!!
Switching from one platform to another is a dumb move in my eyes. 10 years ago, I could see because the two platforms were clearly different from each other but today they can pretty much do the same things, so why switch then..

dvb2000 said
I'm considering a MAC as my next computer. Windows 8 doesn't work for me 1 little bit.
I can't wait until you find a problem with a Mac. What will you do then, switch to another platform?

dtourond said,
Switching from one platform to another is a dumb move in my eyes. 10 years ago, I could see because the two platforms were clearly different from each other but today they can pretty much do the same things, so why switch then..

User Experience.

And really, it's all up to the individual, and their tastes.

If one hasn't invested a large sum into a certain OS' app ecosystem, then there is no reason not to switch, or at least flirt with another OS.

Binary said
User Experience.
I can debate that one a little..

Binary said
And really, it's all up to the individual, and their tastes.
Yeah, I guess.. I find it to be optional though. I say optional because some people just want something that works, regardless of taste.

Binary said
If one hasn't invested a large sum into a certain OS' app ecosystem, then there is no reason not to switch, or at least flirt with another OS.
Sorry, I don't quite get what you're saying?

Each OS has a fairly large ecosystem of apps. My neighbor has a few older games that only runs on Windows, so what I did for her was installed XP in a virtual machine and installed her games there.

dtourond said,
I can't wait until you find a problem with a Mac. What will you do then, switch to another platform?

yeah, isnt it my choice? I would move whenever I like. you are making the dumbest comment all over this thread. you are a MS fanboy and you are one of the reason why i am switching to mac.

ahoncbt said
yeah, isnt it my choice? I would move whenever I like. you are making the dumbest comment all over this thread. you are a MS fanboy and you are one of the reason why i am switching to mac.
I never said it wasn't your choice. I'm simply trying to point out that they all have flaws, and that moving to a Mac won't mean that you won't get anymore problems.

And I'm not a fanboy at all. I actually own a Mac Mini running Mountain Lion, and an older iBook and iMac G3, all running Lubuntu, and a laptop running Windows 8 and Lubuntu.

I switched to Mac about 10 years ago and really love the OS and hardware but sadly there are fanboys in the Apple community too.

ahoncbt said,

yeah, isnt it my choice? I would move whenever I like. you are making the dumbest comment all over this thread. you are a MS fanboy and you are one of the reason why i am switching to mac.

I switched to Mac about 10 years ago and really love the OS and hardware but sadly there are fanboys in the Apple community too.