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NV 30 "30% faster" than Radeon 9700 Pro

Posted by Daniel Fleshbourne on 15 November 2002 - 10:48 · 47 comments & 1201 views

WE EXPECT NVIDIA TO not only present the NV28M but probably also the NV30 at Comdex next week.

If you remember, Nvidia decided to opt for a .13µ (micron) process but faced some obstacles because shrinking the die and increasing the frequency greater than 400MHz is technically tough. 0.15µ marchitecture with its aluminum interconnections is limited to 400 MHz while Nvidia plans to clock its chips at over 400 MHz and even to 500MHz. Will it get to 500MHz? It will have a nice old try.

Nvidia will use DDR II memory running at 500MHz or 1GHz effective that will be the fastest memory used so far in this type of semiconductor, as we reported before. The NV30 chip will feature eight pipelines and two TMUs – that's one more than ATI – and this will give it quite a boost since it will be able to render 16 textures per pass. We can also confirm that with 1.0 GHz data rate plus Lightspeed Memory Architecture 3, a card will be able to reach an amazng 48 GB/s, double what the Radeon 9700 PRO can do with its DDR 256 bit memory. Remember Nvidia will use 128 bit memory this time and will save its breath for 256 bit DDR II for future designs.

As for anti-aliasing, you will be able to use FSAA 8X now and anisotropic filtering will go up to 128 tap anisotropic filtering

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#1 Posted by AMDLojik on 15 Nov 2002 - 11:05: Holly... Hell.. I am soooooo gonna be buying one of these

#2 Posted by shafi on 15 Nov 2002 - 11:07: what would be next for ati ?

#3 Posted by DigitalResource on 15 Nov 2002 - 11:37: 128X Anisotropic Filtering is nice but my radeon 9700 has 16x anisotropic and that's enough to keep the textures sharp at no-matter-what distance. But still 30% is a lot

(1 reply) #4 Posted by crookram on 15 Nov 2002 - 11:45: i'm getting tired reading about the NV30... release the bugger already!

#5 Posted by vacs on 15 Nov 2002 - 11:51: I knew that I wouldn't regret skipping the Radeon 9700 and waiting for the nv30 30% faster than the 9700 is not bad since the 9700 is 20-25% faster than the GF4 Ti! And this combined with the most advanced shaders for cinema-like graphics will make the nv30 a hell of a card. Unfortunately it will take some time until games make full use out of the nv30...

#6 Posted by dan on 15 Nov 2002 - 11:54: Two Words: "HOLY" and "5H1T" 400Mhz GPU and 1Ghz DDR RAM! Im glad i didnt get a Radeon 9700 I think the enxt thing for ATI todo is to reduce the price of the 9700 pro significatnly... so more people might take it up before NV30 is out... cause all comptetition will be crushed when it does

#7 Posted by jmole on 15 Nov 2002 - 12:15: In your face ATI, take that!

#8 Posted by Tom Servo on 15 Nov 2002 - 12:25: I wonder what it'll cost.

#9 Posted by username on 15 Nov 2002 - 12:30: and 30% later i would hope so as it is coming out 3-4 months after the 9700

#10 Posted by Mr.A on 15 Nov 2002 - 12:31: bwhahaha, i'll own a radeon this week, you, nvidians, should wait at least 3 months to own one... are you ready to wait?

#11 Posted by Dazzla on 15 Nov 2002 - 12:45: The same way that ATI announced that the 9700 was twice as fast as the gf4 when the specs were annouced? I'd expect a increase, it's not being launched for months!

(1 reply) #12 Posted by xStainDx on 15 Nov 2002 - 13:11: man, i wish you could put 2 of these in your pc damn AGP, only 1 in a box!!! argh..

#13 Posted by briangw on 15 Nov 2002 - 13:18: Ha. I'm never going back to Radeon with the lack of drivers they dish out.

(1 reply) #14 Posted by daneel on 15 Nov 2002 - 13:23: If the rumour that Nvidia had to add two more pipelines to be able to be a worthwhile competitor of the 9700 Pro then roughly we could say that the NV30 was going to have performances similar to the 9700 Pro. And one thing to remember, 30% means nothing and I am pretty sure they are talking about 3DMark 2001 SE score on a 2.8 or 3.0 Ghz P4 (it was rumoured that the NV30 would hit 20000pts with 3DMark, hence these 30%...), it's possible that the NV30 will be more than 30% faster in some scenarios (with some particular combinations of AA + Aniso). Anothing thing too is that because DX9 is going to be released soon and that the first games using DX9 features very likely to be released during Summer 2003, I am pretty sure that the NV30 (and the 9700PRO) won't be *that* fast, it always takes a few revisions before cards are fast enough to use the newest D3D features...

(2 replies) #15 Posted by nonick on 15 Nov 2002 - 13:40: heh, for nvidia fans, if you dont know, ATI has their successor ready to compete with NV30, so no worries, ATI is in the lead and will continue to lead... NV30 or no NV30 just wait and see...

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#16 Posted by Spyder on 15 Nov 2002 - 13:46: retarded.. i dont know why the bother to say its x amount better than the 9700. they've had half a year (or more)longer to MAKE it better. of course it'll be technologically better! wow i'm impressed... i'm more impressed that ATI managed to bring such a kickass card to the table so early in the game.

#17 Posted by ArcticFox on 15 Nov 2002 - 14:40: lol if earlier cards were anything to go by, it will be at least £350-400 in UK, dunno how much $ that is id rather pay £250 ish than nearly double that for a card that is touted to be 30% faster on a benchmark that is nothing like real world application/games

(1 reply) #18 Posted by tv-casualty on 15 Nov 2002 - 14:43: until *nix users can get all the advantages of the Radeon 9700 i will continue to support NVIDIA and i'm sure a lot of other *nix ( or dual boot ) users will too. it is also worth mentioning that NVIDIA has great Linux support, the Radeon 9700 does not.

#19 Posted by So-Unreal on 15 Nov 2002 - 14:44: Im so sick of this BS. I dont read reviews anymore. btw Radeon 9700 came out at $400.00. So does that mean that the 30%(in Bench Marks not real games) faster NV30 will cost like $500.00-$600.00???

(2 replies) #20 Posted by Toxikk on 15 Nov 2002 - 14:55: they say that everytime they rls dets... i believe it when i see it.

(1 reply) #21 Posted by GamblerFEXonlin on 15 Nov 2002 - 15:25: 48GB/s and 16 textures per pass, thats a lot of fillrate! Too bad we still have edgy heads and pointy fingers, even on the NV30 "cinematic shading GPU." You see, Carmack adviced NOT buying a GF4 for Doom3, which means Doom3 is essentially made for the NV30 (and hopefully radeon 9700). So why have he skimped so heavily on the polycount, I thought NVIDIA promised graphics [url=http://217.8.136.112/root/pix/NV30/bike.jpg]like this[/url]. If there really is a problem and a bottleneck somewhere, why haven't Carmack bitched about it it seems hes satisfied with doom3s polycount. Doom3 is only using the features GeForce1 introduced, are they really that bad implemeted even in the fifth generation GPU (NV30)? All I want is nice details, and it can only happen if it becomes public demand for it. Just look at Toms Hardware follow up to[url=http://www17.tomshardware.com/column/01q4/011029/index.html] Hot Spot - How Modern Processors Cope With Heat Emergencies [/url] namely the [url=http://www17.tomshardware.com/column/01q4/011029/index.html]Cooling Off: THG visits AMD [/url]. Here Toms hardware made people aware of a issue and the manufactorer have now remedied the situation.

#22 Posted by cyberbry on 15 Nov 2002 - 16:28: it better be 30% faster... we've had to wait 30% longer for it.

(1 reply) #23 Posted by King Mustard on 15 Nov 2002 - 17:13: How about they make better use of the current cards?! The PS2/Xbox/GC are surviving!!!

(2 replies) #24 Posted by Ishmael on 15 Nov 2002 - 18:44: unbelievable to read all the above fanboy remarks. Everyone has to pick a side it seems and then everything else sucks. Nvidia's chip had better freaking blow the 9700 out of the water which will have been available for retail purchase some 5 months longer than the NV30, assuming Nvidia hits their early 2003 launch. If you are saying you are so glad you didn't buy a 9700 for those reasons, you might as well wait until next Autumn to buy your next processor upgrade because I hear Intel and AMD are both releasing something 400% faster than what was released yesterday. It is all smoke and mirrors. The current facts are that ATI has a killer processor in the 9700 that blows away anything you can buy for at least the next two months. Ishmael

#25 Posted by nekrosoft13 on 15 Nov 2002 - 20:14: die ati die !!!!!!

#26 Posted by AMD-XP on 15 Nov 2002 - 20:14: i want i want i want

#27 Posted by King Mustard on 15 Nov 2002 - 21:37: die ati die i want i want Woah, two VERY different opinions too close together

#28 Posted by djze on 15 Nov 2002 - 22:22: die nvidia die i want i want i want a world free of fanboys

#29 Posted by altezza on 15 Nov 2002 - 23:46: Technology never ends! I was going to plan to get ATI Radeon 9700 Pro but after reading this news...oh well I have to wait until NV30 is released. Curious about the price too...but the price will be sky high...possibly higher than Radeon 9700 Pro when it was released. Luckily I have just gotten Asus A7V8X mainboard...capable of using AGP 8x based graphic cards

#30 Posted by ErrorS on 16 Nov 2002 - 04:14: you all actually believe NV30 will have 48GB/s of memory bandwidth? people.. dont mean to be an ass, but 500mhz of 128bit DDR-2 = 16GB/s .. try not too pay attention to the BS hype.. effective memory bandwidth of R9700 could very well be above 50GB/s ..

#31 Posted by MDboyz on 16 Nov 2002 - 04:59: I don't care how much one video card is faster than the other. I want to see the real chip.. to see its true performance. I'm so damn tired of to see all words on paper.

#32 Posted by ishtar on 16 Nov 2002 - 12:51: I doubt it will be any more than 400.00 those high prices is what put 3dfx outta business who wants to pay 600.00 for a friggen 3dfx 5500

#33 Posted by Daybreak on 16 Nov 2002 - 17:03: The only reason I'm waiting for it is for the new card to depress present card prices.. heh.. then I'll be able to pickup a 9700 at more decent rates ( for a poor student that is .. )

(1 reply) #34 Posted by nemesis1 on 17 Nov 2002 - 02:07: "my card is better than yours" "my future card will be better than yours, neener" blah

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