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#1 Posted by Dazzla on 07 Jan 2003 - 20:12
- Holy crap, I'm getting a new Powerbook
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#1.1 Posted by Shaahin on 08 Jan 2003 - 05:36
- [neoquote=#1.0 by Dazzla]Holy crap, I'm getting a new Powerbook [/neoquote]
Me too... after you!
This new PowerBook should be considered as a desktop computer too. Imagine its keyboard with backlit light, when you are online at night! How romantic
PC Laptop industry is going to steal this technology soon. Believe it or not!
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#2 Posted by Jstphish on 07 Jan 2003 - 20:24
- stupid server busy message made me double post, yes this is an edit.
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#3 Posted by Wickedkitten on 07 Jan 2003 - 20:24
- me too, all 12 inches of it!
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#4 Posted by Jstphish on 07 Jan 2003 - 20:26
- That 17" Powerbook G4 looks sweeeeeeet. 17" widescreen display and a fiber optically backlit keyboard, need I say more?
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#5 Posted by Kemistry on 07 Jan 2003 - 20:27
- Holy Moses! the new 17" PowerBook is Gorg! Its better, bigger, hotter and sharper.... Head over to.... http://www.apple.com/powerbook/index17.html I WANT ONE NOW!!!!!!
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#6 Posted by Tim on 07 Jan 2003 - 20:28
- omg all i have to say, :|
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#7 Posted by Binary on 07 Jan 2003 - 20:30
- I believe Safari is based off of KHTML, not the mozilla (geko) engine. KHTML is the same base the popular linux web browser konqueror uses
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#7.1 Posted by mezz on 07 Jan 2003 - 20:38
- Indeed, timdorr must has made the mistake. Apple improves number of thing in the KHTML, so they will (have to) release the source code of it.
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#7.2 Posted by timdorr on 07 Jan 2003 - 20:57
- [neoquote=#7.1 by mezz]Indeed, timdorr must has made the mistake. Apple improves number of thing in the KHTML, so they will (have to) release the source code of it.[/neoquote]
Fixed
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#8 Posted by mezz on 07 Jan 2003 - 20:34
- Isn't titanium stronger than aluminum? I kind of fail to see reason why replace from aluminum to titanium. Maybe, price? Can anyone clear the cloud for me? I am glad that they don't choose the gecko engine (must be due to license?), I never like it. Hey, no flame war, it's my opinion.
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#8.1 Posted by macrosslover on 07 Jan 2003 - 20:41
- [neoquote=#8.0 by mezz]Isn't titanium stronger than aluminum? I kind of fail to see reason why replace from aluminum to titanium. Maybe, price? Can anyone clear the cloud for me? I am glad that they don't choose the gecko engine (must be due to license?), I never like it. Hey, no flame war, it's my opinion.[/neoquote] price and more lightweight
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#9 Posted by Jason on 07 Jan 2003 - 20:53
- I am looking forward to 17 inch PC laptops
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#9.1 Posted by macrosslover on 07 Jan 2003 - 21:05
- sony already has a 16inch one. weighs a ton, but i think 17 inch is a bit much.
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#10 Posted by superfula on 07 Jan 2003 - 20:57
- Mmmm 12" Tibook. I am soooo getting this!
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#11 Posted by cerbero on 07 Jan 2003 - 21:06
- I want the 12" PowerBook, but alas, I can't afford it. One can dream (and drool) though.
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#12 Posted by Hills420 on 07 Jan 2003 - 21:11
- Is this Safari browser gonna be built for the PC as well? Or just Mac OS X?
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#12.1 Posted by ~~NeYo~~ on 07 Jan 2003 - 22:37
- [neoquote=#12.0 by Hills420]Is this Safari browser gonna be built for the PC as well? Or just Mac OS X?[/neoquote] LOL! Doubt it mate! ...
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#13 Posted by pctuk on 07 Jan 2003 - 21:40
- I'm surprised how well they've managed to keep Safari quiet.
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#14 Posted by puckmaster87 on 07 Jan 2003 - 22:18
- 5 houts of battery life. wow, is that like some new word or something?? cool!!
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#15 Posted by =NickJ= on 07 Jan 2003 - 23:27
- holy sh*t these are gorgeous
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#16 Posted by DjmUK on 07 Jan 2003 - 23:36
- [b]17" WIDESCREEN[/b] Laptop...woah, in a few months when I get the money (prob around April), I'm definitely gonna' order this baby, with an upgrade of [b]1GB of PC2700[/b] RAM). I can't wait, and since it's a few months away (and in time before that Office v.X offer finishes), hopefully the price will drop a little.
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#17 Posted by Avian on 07 Jan 2003 - 23:38
- too bad safari sucks...
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#18 Posted by DjmUK on 07 Jan 2003 - 23:39
- [b]Videos of the G4 Powerbooks in action..![/b] http://www.apple.com/hardware/video/ [b][i]I haven't seen them yet because the site is a little busy, so I'm awaiting patiently.[/i][/b]
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#19 Posted by DjmUK on 07 Jan 2003 - 23:45
- [b]MY GOD..!!!!!!!!!!![/b] It's big, I've watched the vidoes and it's bluddey massive - I WANT ONE NOW..!!!!
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#20 Posted by McFly on 07 Jan 2003 - 23:49
- Crikey...I'm sure there will be some idiot on a crowded plane who will pull one of those outta his bag to impress everyone Seems to happen every time I fly.
YES we see it, YES we're jealous, but you're still a dork!
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#21 Posted by ike on 08 Jan 2003 - 00:08
- DLKSFJDSKF! fiber...optic...keyboard....drooool
gimme! gimme! i'll sell my inspiron 8200 tomorrow for one!
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#22 Posted by SandoRavor on 08 Jan 2003 - 03:07
- I sure hate to sound like a troll here, but how does Apple stay in business? $1800 for a laptop with an 867 mhZ processor and a 12-inch screen?! You can get an Inspiron 8200 with a 15-inch screen and 2 Ghz P4 processor for less than that. Way to knock a dent in that 2% market share, Mr. Jobs. Remind me again how he keeps his job.
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#22.1 Posted by macrosslover on 08 Jan 2003 - 03:45
- [neoquote=#22.0 by SandoRavor]I sure hate to sound like a troll here, but how does Apple stay in business? $1800 for a laptop with an 867 mhZ processor and a 12-inch screen?! You can get an Inspiron 8200 with a 15-inch screen and 2 Ghz P4 processor for less than that. Way to knock a dent in that 2% market share, Mr. Jobs. Remind me again how he keeps his job.[/neoquote] well in Apple's defense. most people who buy laptops don't play games on it so they could argue that point. also the powerbook is very light (4.8 pds??) but think about it like this, the ultra light weight laptops that only come with an 800 P3 that PC companies are selling 1.8 thin, 800 mhz chip, i don't think it has a video card at all, and at the smallest 3 lbs is priced at most places starting between $1699-$1899. and they only have a 12.1 inch screen. so compared to those the Apple 12 inch is a DAMN good purchase. if i got one i'd probably get this one, no more ibook for me. i still think the 17 inch is overkill. personally speaking, as much as i like the cool factor of the new laptops i probably wouldn't get one, because i don't mind the weight of a PC laptop...seriously now are you going to carry it all day?? no, you're going to carry it to like a table or something and set it down on something, so weight is irrelevant. I PLAY GAMES. this is why i have a super desktop, if i get a laptop it would be nice to have that option of knowing i can play my games to. another thing, they better hurry up and update the 15inch, cause i don't care if it does have 1mb of level 3 cache. it's still using pc133 ram. the 12inch and the 17inch use ddr (266 and 333 respectively). i can't wait to see benchmarks cause the 15 inch is going to get ate alive. on the low end i would just opt for the 12inch, better performance. and on the high end of the 15 inch i would just opt for the 17inch for the same reason. if Apple is trying to clear inventory of the 15inch they're doing a bad job.
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#22.2 Posted by aristotle-dude on 08 Jan 2003 - 07:39
- [neoquote=#22.0 by SandoRavor]I sure hate to sound like a troll here, but how does Apple stay in business? $1800 for a laptop with an 867 mhZ processor and a 12-inch screen?! You can get an Inspiron 8200 with a 15-inch screen and 2 Ghz P4 processor for less than that. Way to knock a dent in that 2% market share, Mr. Jobs. Remind me again how he keeps his job.[/neoquote] Does this Inspiron come with: 256MB DDR266 SDRAM 40GB Ultra ATA/100 Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) NVIDIA GeForce4 420 Go 32MB DDR video memory 10/100BASE-T Ethernet FireWire 400 AirPort Extreme Ready Bluetooth built-in VGA & S-Video out Does it come in a small form factor (1.18" thin, 4.6 lbs)?
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#22.3 Posted by macrosslover on 08 Jan 2003 - 08:30
- actually yes the inspiron does come with 266 ddr memory. it's had it for at least 6 months now, Apple is finally catching up. oh yeah it has a bigger screen and a higher resolution. 40gb harddrive?? no i think it has 60 lol, and once again the PC laptop has had ata 100 for the longest. combo drive? you bet it does nvidia geforce 4 420?? naw you can CHOOSE from the g4 440 or the radeon 9000 (64mb ddr) plus it has MORE GAMES to choose from. firewire 400?? yes airport extreme ready??? well since airport is just 802.11g the dell will get this eventually, but for now i think it does have the B version. bluetooth?? give them a month, don't have it now. VGA..S-video out?? of course small factor?? not even close, but refer to my previous post about that. you can check out this link for yourself to. http://www.dell.com/us/en/fss/products/model_inspn_3_inspn_8200.htm#tabtop here's the question does Apple have a notebook that has a 2Ghz chip in it with a 400mhz system bus???
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#22.4 Posted by Wickedkitten on 08 Jan 2003 - 09:14
- [neoquote=#22.3 by macrosslover]actually yes the inspiron does come with 266 ddr memory. it's had it for at least 6 months now, Apple is finally catching up. oh yeah it has a bigger screen and a higher resolution. 40gb harddrive?? no i think it has 60 lol, and once again the PC laptop has had ata 100 for the longest. combo drive? you bet it does nvidia geforce 4 420?? naw you can CHOOSE from the g4 440 or the radeon 9000 (64mb ddr) plus it has MORE GAMES to choose from. firewire 400?? yes airport extreme ready??? well since airport is just 802.11g the dell will get this eventually, but for now i think it does have the B version. bluetooth?? give them a month, don't have it now. VGA..S-video out?? of course small factor?? not even close, but refer to my previous post about that. you can check out this link for yourself to. http://www.dell.com/us/en/fss/products/model_inspn_3_inspn_8200.htm#tabtop here's the question does Apple have a notebook that has a 2Ghz chip in it with a 400mhz system bus???[/neoquote] you must have [b]accidentally[/b] posted the link to the education price on the inspiron, cos with the specs that you just got I came up with $2,373.00 mobile p4 2.0ghz x 384 ddr 60gb hd 24x combo gf4 440
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#22.5 Posted by macrosslover on 08 Jan 2003 - 09:30
- he said 256 not 384. and i always include the education price for both systems. but let's see the price difference between both the systems with 384 memory. let's not spread fud cause you now that price is wrong for higher education systems. you must have forgot the FREE upgrade to 384 memory that Dell is offering now and free display upgrade. and the $150 off the system price. oh yeah both systems have 3 year warranty. the apple doesn't have any office suite at all, i choose the simplest one for the Dell. which probably adds $50 looking at the Dell system the price is $2238 specs: 2.2ghz P4 60 gig harddrive 384 ram radeon 9000 (yeah it's not the same, but just to prove a point) combo drive no floppy drive and the internal wirless option they have the Apple system and price: $2220 (12inch model) all the base specs and 384 ram 60 gig harddrive 3 year warranty. now tell me how you came up with 2373 for the 8200??? his point was that spending all this money he'd just get a system like the 8200 that could play more games, having a better video card and running windows allows him to do that.
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#22.6 Posted by Wickedkitten on 08 Jan 2003 - 10:10
- [neoquote=#22.5 by macrosslover]he said 256 not 384. and i always include the education price for both systems. but let's see the price difference between both the systems with 384 memory. let's not spread fud cause you now that price is wrong for higher education systems. you must have forgot the FREE upgrade to 384 memory that Dell is offering now and free display upgrade. and the $150 off the system price. oh yeah both systems have 3 year warranty. the apple doesn't have any office suite at all, i choose the simplest one for the Dell. which probably adds $50 looking at the Dell system the price is $2238 specs: 2.2ghz P4 60 gig harddrive 384 ram radeon 9000 (yeah it's not the same, but just to prove a point) combo drive no floppy drive and the internal wirless option they have the Apple system and price: $2220 (12inch model) all the base specs and 384 ram 60 gig harddrive 3 year warranty. now tell me how you came up with 2373 for the 8200??? his point was that spending all this money he'd just get a system like the 8200 that could play more games, having a better video card and running windows allows him to do that.[/neoquote] easy, i went to the dell site and clicked the retail link for it since you [b]obviously[/b] didn't post the educational price for the apple system. the price i gave was with the 384 memory updrade, 150 off, and display upgrade. 867MHz PowerPC G4 ? 384MB DDR266 (128MB built-in & 256MB SO-DIMM) ? 60GB Ultra ATA drive ? SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) ? Keyboard/Mac OS for SuperDrive - U.S. English ? 12.1-inch TFT XGA Display Subtotal $2,099.00 and thats in the retail store now who's the one spreading FUD?
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#22.7 Posted by macrosslover on 08 Jan 2003 - 20:18
- lol you're such a liar. i didn't even include the superdrive cause it would add $200 to the price. anybody can configure the higher education price for the Apple and come up with the price i did. i see you continue to ignore the 3 year warranty for the Apple to make it look cheaper, when i included the 3 year option for BOTH the systems. and this is ordering it online, just like ordering the dell. and it still doesn't include tax or shipping. i also notice that you seem to have forgot the airport card, well i forgot it this time to.
APP for PowerBook (w/ or w/o display) - Enrollment Kit M8853LL/A 7-10 days Remove $332.00 $332.00
PowerBook 867MHz (12.1" TFT) Z07B 2-4 weeks Remove $1,984.00 $1,984.00
60GB Ultra ATA drive 065-3657
SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) 065-3660
Keyboard/Mac OS for SuperDrive - U.S. English 065-4124
384MB DDR266 (128MB built-in & 256MB SO-DIMM) 065-3650
867MHz PowerPC G4 065-3653
Subtotal Please note that your subtotal does not include sales tax or rebates. $2,316.00
now you configure that at the higher education store for invidivual users and shut up your lying.
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#22.8 Posted by superfula on 08 Jan 2003 - 21:02
- [neoquote=#22.7 by macrosslover]lol you're such a liar. i didn't even include the superdrive cause it would add $200 to the price. anybody can configure the higher education price for the Apple and come up with the price i did. i see you continue to ignore the 3 year warranty for the Apple to make it look cheaper, when i included the 3 year option for BOTH the systems. and this is ordering it online, just like ordering the dell. and it still doesn't include tax or shipping. i also notice that you seem to have forgot the airport card, well i forgot it this time to. APP for PowerBook (w/ or w/o display) - Enrollment Kit M8853LL/A 7-10 days Remove $332.00 $332.00 PowerBook 867MHz (12.1" TFT) Z07B 2-4 weeks Remove $1,984.00 $1,984.00 60GB Ultra ATA drive 065-3657 SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) 065-3660 Keyboard/Mac OS for SuperDrive - U.S. English 065-4124 384MB DDR266 (128MB built-in & 256MB SO-DIMM) 065-3650 867MHz PowerPC G4 065-3653 Subtotal Please note that your subtotal does not include sales tax or rebates. $2,316.00 now you configure that at the higher education store for invidivual users and shut up your lying. [/neoquote] Where's the superdrive in your Dell? Bluetooth adaptor? Wireless internet? How about weight? Since it is a laptop, weight is VERY VERY important. How much does your dell weigh? why don't you compare it with Dell's slim laptop model, since they would be in the same class. The 8200 is a desktop replacement. The 12" AlBook isn't. Dell can't compete in the laptop area. Since we're using education prices, you can get the 12" AlBook (with Superdrive, Airport extreme card, 384mb ram, 60gig) for 2107 including your precious (but unnecessary) 3 year warranty with the Student Developer discount.
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#22.9 Posted by macrosslover on 08 Jan 2003 - 21:10
- well once again i gave my reason for weight in a previous post about the Apple and Dell.
superdrive?? i didn't include it in either of the first config, it's included in this one cause he asked for it. i can ask where's your 64mb video card??? bluetooth, i said my peace about that previously.
why not compare it with they slim laptop model?? because the person was talking about the 8200 model, refer to a previous post.
dell can't compete in the laptop area?? well they seem to be doing a good job at #1
3 year warranty unnecessary?? lol have you ever had a computer that didn't have a problem in 3 years??
and now you're trying to add a new dimension to the price, student developer discount. well i don't know if Dell offers that, but since everybody isn't a developer, we have to go based on the price that regular students can get.
but it's still amazing how you Mac fans beat around the basic argument. his argument from the start (if i haven't forgot by now) was that paying all this money, he'd just get a Dell.
before you all have a heart attack. nobody never said the Mac notebook wasn't bad, i said (i believe he did to) i wouldn't get it. there are many different types of users, i'm a gamer and i could care less about the weight of a laptop, i want the best performance, and none of the Apple notebooks can meet my needs. they may meet yours, but they don't meet mine. but you must have ignored my previous post defending the Apple laptop, you should go read that.
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#22.10 Posted by Wickedkitten on 08 Jan 2003 - 23:06
- [neoquote=#22.7 by macrosslover]lol you're such a liar. i didn't even include the superdrive cause it would add $200 to the price. anybody can configure the higher education price for the Apple and come up with the price i did. i see you continue to ignore the 3 year warranty for the Apple to make it look cheaper, when i included the 3 year option for BOTH the systems. and this is ordering it online, just like ordering the dell. and it still doesn't include tax or shipping. i also notice that you seem to have forgot the airport card, well i forgot it this time to. APP for PowerBook (w/ or w/o display) - Enrollment Kit M8853LL/A 7-10 days Remove $332.00 $332.00 PowerBook 867MHz (12.1" TFT) Z07B 2-4 weeks Remove $1,984.00 $1,984.00 60GB Ultra ATA drive 065-3657 SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) 065-3660 Keyboard/Mac OS for SuperDrive - U.S. English 065-4124 384MB DDR266 (128MB built-in & 256MB SO-DIMM) 065-3650 867MHz PowerPC G4 065-3653 Subtotal Please note that your subtotal does not include sales tax or rebates. $2,316.00 now you configure that at the higher education store for invidivual users and shut up your lying. [/neoquote] riiight, how am i lying when I AM actually going to the damn website hmm? the fucking tibook comes up to about the same price as a dimension. you want to get on warranties then fine, you get 4 years total for the price i quoted +300 for applecare since it comes with a year of it. now while you're at it the dell didnt come with sales tax either so why don't you add that on yourself
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#22.11 Posted by macrosslover on 08 Jan 2003 - 23:15
- no the warranty extends from 1 year to 3 years read the fine print. and like i said paying near the same amount as a Dell, we said we'd just get the Dell.
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#22.12 Posted by Wickedkitten on 09 Jan 2003 - 09:54
- [neoquote=#22.11 by macrosslover]no the warranty extends from 1 year to 3 years read the fine print. and like i said paying near the same amount as a Dell, we said we'd just get the Dell.[/neoquote]
I have applecare, i got one year free and when i signed back up at the end of that year I got another 3 years.
The trick is to renew at the end of the first year.
As far as the dell, YOU might get the dell but most people in this topic if the price was the same would get the tibook
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#22.13 Posted by macrosslover on 09 Jan 2003 - 17:33
- that is a good trick, i did that before i forgot completely about it. i won't assume what most other people would buy, you shouldn't either. but i know i'd get the Dell for games. if more games came out for Mac, then i'd have no problem (well not much) getting the Mac.
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#23 Posted by xStainDx on 08 Jan 2003 - 09:37
- ILLUMINATED KEYBOARD ViA FIBER OPTICS AUTO SENSING!!! WOOOOOOOTTT
APPLE DONE IT AGAIN!!
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#24 Posted by DjmUK on 08 Jan 2003 - 14:32
- [b]#22 Posted by SandoRavor[/b]
You do realise you're wrong. 867MHz is a G4 chip. These G4 chips are 4 times faster than any Pentium today (including the 3.06GHz cpu).
G4 is 128-bit (so is Mac OS X).
P4 is 32-bit (so is crappy WinXP).
Normal laptops don't even compare, not only the hardware but the Operating System, laptops have more of a reputation of being faulty than Apple's, and laptops use Windows (yuk).
But anyhow, Apple rocks and these new laptops rock even more.
(considering purchasing a 17" TFT seperately costs a hell of a lot, (the same for the small HDD [physically that is] and fast ddr memory - the price isn't too bad), but yes it's still a lot of money. But I'm still planning on purchasing one
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#25 Posted by mintll on 08 Jan 2003 - 16:24
- Its about time apple came up with there own browser
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#26 Posted by DjmUK on 08 Jan 2003 - 17:26
- [b]24.1[/b] Embarrassing..! I don't see what's so embarrassing about facts - maybe if people check their facts first before sending such remarks..! [b]25[/b] Apple do have their own browser: [url]http://www.apple.com/safari[/url] (approx. 3 times faster than IE)
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#27 Posted by Dashel on 08 Jan 2003 - 20:38
- DjmUK..I think you need to stop listening to Apple's marketing dept. That and double checking your facts would be nice. The new laptops are sweet. Can't say I really like Safari though. Keynote looks promising.
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