Microsoft Debating World-Wide MCSE Name Change
Posted by Toxicfume on 16 January 2003 - 16:03 · 26 comments & 1722 views
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#1 Posted by Jason on 16 Jan 2003 - 16:09
- Expert or Engineer, it doesn't matter. You still learn a vast ammount having this title. Some people have to much time to be worried about a word.
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#2 Posted by Rathamon on 16 Jan 2003 - 16:17
- Jesus who cares , MS seem to be changing the name of EVERYTHING lately
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#2.1 Posted by JaggedFlame on 16 Jan 2003 - 16:30
- Yeah, like two things?
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#2.2 Posted by Jason on 16 Jan 2003 - 16:38
- If you are refering to .Net Server, its best to get the name right before its released, the .Net name was a bit confusing - Windows Server 2003 is a lot better and easier to market.
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#2.3 Posted by Rathamon on 16 Jan 2003 - 16:46
- [neoquote=#2.2 by Jason]If you are refering to .Net Server, its best to get the name right before its released, the .Net name was a bit confusing - Windows Server 2003 is a lot better and easier to market.[/neoquote] yea, except it sounds really gay
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#2.4 Posted by creamhackered on 16 Jan 2003 - 16:58
- Windows 2000 Server sounds "gay" hmmm? foo
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#2.5 Posted by JaggedFlame on 17 Jan 2003 - 02:15
- [neoquote=#2.3 by Rathamon]yea, except it sounds really gay[/neoquote]
And what would you suggest?
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#3 Posted by Eric Ferleman on 16 Jan 2003 - 16:40
- Hmm, must have missed that article. I think they should leave the name as is. Microsoft Certified Systems Expert sounds.....odd. They should have considered all possibilites about names before they chose Engineer. Yeah. you do have to learn alot of things to be a full MCSE. It's the title that matters most.
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#4 Posted by Pride on 16 Jan 2003 - 16:49
- I disagree, you do not have to learn alot of things, all you need to do is remember alot of things. I know guys who have their MCSE, who memorized a book 2 weeks before the test, passed it, and now couldn't troubleshoot their way out of a wet paper bag. Rather than a paper mulitple choice test, they should have to apply real world knowledge to earn an MCSE
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#4.1 Posted by Jason on 16 Jan 2003 - 17:01
- If you do it properly and learn all the information (not just remember it) and back it up with practical experience it is a valuable product. You are only cheating yourself by getting hold of the answers as no one would employ because you wouldn't know how to do anything. I spent a year on the NT4 and a year on the 2000 MCSE's backed up with real world experience. I wanted to know the subjects in depth not just pass some exams.
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#4.2 Posted by Eric Ferleman on 17 Jan 2003 - 01:40
- If I'm going to get certified, I'm sure as hell going to make sure I have all the knowledge and skills required to put it to practical use.
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#5 Posted by bink on 16 Jan 2003 - 17:03
- eh this news is 1,5 years old and it still is MCSE (engineer) or am I missing something?
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#6 Posted by Jason on 16 Jan 2003 - 17:04
- Now lets talk about CNE
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#7 Posted by Defiant on 16 Jan 2003 - 17:09
- Darn, If they change it from 'MCSE' then the 'Must Consult Someone Else' tag wont work any more :-( I guess they could call them all Experts.NET (least then it looks new and cool) Defiant
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#7.1 Posted by Jason on 16 Jan 2003 - 17:12
- Consult who, I wouldn't want to consult a Network Support Admin on MS Products who doesn't have this. If I had my own company it would be degree + MCSE to get an Admin Job.
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#7.2 Posted by creamhackered on 16 Jan 2003 - 17:20
- Degree is even more useless than MCSE. Fools keep coming out of university thinking they know everything about networks etc and keep screwing stuff up I have to repair. I think experience matters and most employers agree.
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#7.3 Posted by Defiant on 16 Jan 2003 - 17:21
- Then thats amazing. I know so many people with paper qualifications that know f**k all about networks, drivers, bug checks and anything else you happen to name PC related. Seems they have made the exams worthless now with the bootcamps and mind dumps and other tricks - just to get a paper that says "you know stuff". Shame really that this has happened like it has to other vendors too. Just look at the public NG's and the questions MCSE's are asking ... They *should* know not be asking - and if they don't know then a little more research would show the answer. Darn even most of them dont know how to use the KB right. So how can you say Degree + MCSE will make that person a better Eng, than one that has been in the field 15yrs - and *knows* how to get the job done and the issue dealt with. I know where my trust would be. I would not let some FNG loose on a Exchange server with live customer data on it ... More fool me! Def
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#7.4 Posted by Jason on 16 Jan 2003 - 17:26
- Every new person to such a job has to start somewhere and I would say Degree + MCSE to get in to the job then you are still a trainee for a year or more until you prove yourself.
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#7.5 Posted by creamhackered on 16 Jan 2003 - 18:10
- [neoquote=#7.3 by Defiant]Then thats amazing. I know so many people with paper qualifications that know f**k all about networks, drivers, bug checks and anything else you happen to name PC related. Seems they have made the exams worthless now with the bootcamps and mind dumps and other tricks - just to get a paper that says "you know stuff".
Shame really that this has happened like it has to other vendors too. Just look at the public NG's and the questions MCSE's are asking ... They *should* know not be asking - and if they don't know then a little more research would show the answer.
Darn even most of them dont know how to use the KB right.
So how can you say Degree + MCSE will make that person a better Eng, than one that has been in the field 15yrs - and *knows* how to get the job done and the issue dealt with.
I know where my trust would be. I would not let some FNG loose on a Exchange server with live customer data on it ... More fool me!
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#7.6 Posted by Eric Ferleman on 17 Jan 2003 - 01:48
- [neoquote=#7.3 by Defiant]Darn even most of them dont know how to use the KB right.
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Wow, thats a little surprising. It's not that difficult to figure out.
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#8 Posted by Defiant on 16 Jan 2003 - 17:21
- Oh and the "'Must Consult Someone Else' " is sarcasm - think about it
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#9 Posted by DrAwesome on 16 Jan 2003 - 18:08
- How about changing it to "Microsoft Certified Mouse Jockey?"
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#10 Posted by Tarnum on 16 Jan 2003 - 18:39
- for more info on the Mouse Jockey certification see [b]MOUSE[/b] (Microsoft Office User EXPERT)
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#11 Posted by sonicice on 17 Jan 2003 - 02:49
- I like the sound of "Engineer" much more than the sound of "Expert". Expert sounds dummied down compared to Engineer, even if the certification was still the same.
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#12 Posted by lgeurts on 17 Jan 2003 - 23:37
- I would hate to be called "expert". Engineer is a more suitable title, and let's be fair, customers like the sound of it!!! (I'm MCT, would they rename that to microsoft certified teachet too?) Jeez, i'm getting sick.
Microsoft Certified Professional Magazine reports in its July 2001 issue that Microsoft is considering a world-wide revision of the Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE) moniker.
The article, which appears on page 16 of the issue, says that "Microsoft has considered following suit with IBM and Cisco, both of which use 'expert' in the name of their premier credentials...[Microsoft is] also debating the possibility of revamping the title altogether." Eckhardt Bohme, a certification manager for Microsoft, is cited as the source of the information.
Although it has previously been speculated that Microsoft would change "Engineer" to "Expert" for Canadian MCSEs due to conflicts with licensing boards there, the article is the first time that Microsoft has publicly acknowledged that it is considering changing the name of the title for all MCSEs, or perhaps even scrapping the acronym for something else altogether.
Currently, the magazine's online counterpart, MCPMag.com, is conducting a survey to get MCSEs reaction to possible replacement titles. According to Dian Schaffhauser, editorial director of MCP Magazine, the information gathered will be shared with Microsoft.
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