Sun Says Microsoft Injunction is Critical

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A federal judge's order that would force Microsoft Corp. to include Sun Microsystems Inc.'s programming language in the latest version of Windows is necessary to prevent the language from becoming extinct, Sun argued in a court filing.

The company filed its response Tuesday to Microsoft's appeal of the order.

Sun said its Java programming language is damaged each day the injunction is not imposed because the market tilts toward Microsoft's .NET framework. Sun accuses Microsoft of unlawfully distributing outdated Java versions that are incompatible for Windows users.

A federal judge in Baltimore ordered Microsoft last week to include updated versions of Java in Windows XP operating systems until the litigation is resolved.

News source: Associated Press

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(2 replies) #1 Neobond on 29 Jan 2003 - 11:05

I can't believe that Sun is now accusing Microsoft of anti-competative measures considering the .NET framework has had the hardest time being accepted (despite being shipped with XP-SP1 and Windows Server 2003) Sun need to fuck off, sissy boys. Their Java is crap because they spend too much time blaming everyone else for their failures. Plus the simple fact that .NET framework is new unless Sun have decided that no-one else can develop something better.

#1.1 DJ^TuRKiYe on 29 Jan 2003 - 11:14

damn straight Sun Sux0r$

They can go cry all they want to the judges lil fuckers I don't want there crap on my system, bloated peice of fucking java crap

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#1.2 Rambo2000 on 29 Jan 2003 - 13:01

Ah, aint it tough being at the top?

, it's the reason why anything that gets to the top always comes crashing down over time because others around them pull them down.

#2 TheReaperMan on 29 Jan 2003 - 11:16

Yeah, I mean if ms asked for .net to be put in all the other platforms they would be told to P*****f, And they had to drop it due to sun telling them to?

(3 replies) #3 Tom Servo on 29 Jan 2003 - 11:29

[quote]Sun accuses Microsoft of unlawfully distributing outdated Java versions that are incompatible for Windows users.[/quote] Technical question: Since when is it unlawful to not update parts of it's OS?

#3.1 mrbester on 29 Jan 2003 - 13:26

When the "part" actually belonged to someone else, only it was reverse-engineered, incorporated into the OS and then not updated as an anti-competitive move so that clueless noobs would think it better than the authentic one.

#3.2 MadDog on 29 Jan 2003 - 14:08

Well, in the world of faster = better MS implementation of Java is better. Not to mention once you install Sun's it screws with a ton of web pages. Have a company intranet running on Lotus Domino that won't work properly if Sun Java is installed. And I've been in IT for over ten years, so keep your broad stereotyping "noobs" comments to yourself.

#3.3 Edge on 29 Jan 2003 - 14:28

[neoquote=#3.2 by MadDog]Well, in the world of faster = better MS implementation of Java is better.[/neoquote] Couldn't have said it better myself.

#4 Gooey on 29 Jan 2003 - 13:03

[quote]necessary to prevent the language from becoming extinct[/quote] Good, let it die out, we don't care...

#5 Michael Lerner on 29 Jan 2003 - 13:24

No one really uses java anyway. Who cares if it comes with Windows?

#6 Beast_4thHM on 29 Jan 2003 - 14:10

Extinct??? I guess that Java is so crappy that SUN needs MS help on that sounds to me that SUN dont believe in their own work

Java = Pascal , let it gooooooo

#7 malebolgia on 29 Jan 2003 - 16:28

It's already extinct no I know even cares about it.

#8 Dessimat0r on 29 Jan 2003 - 17:12

I hope Java fucks off, it is shit anyway

(1 reply) #9 redFX on 29 Jan 2003 - 17:17

You guys are talking without knowing the facts. Microsoft in the day used to ship Java when Java started becoming popular. Then Microsoft started making modifications to Java shipped on windows (making it proprietary) an Sun complained and got them to stop (legal stuff). MS got pissed and started shipping out an old broken beta build of Java with Windows. Anyone trying to do anything with Java on Windows would think that Java sucks but it doesn't. Its just that the JRE/JSDK was a broken beta build MS included. Like Java/Sun/MS or not, it doesn't matter. The fact is MS tried to take Java and when they couldn't, they knocked it down any way they could.

#9.1 Beast_4thHM on 29 Jan 2003 - 17:29

I tried to use SUN's java several times but it simply not up to standarts , too many not working site too slow - and I never saw a Java app that looks good not even Limewire

#10 Fanon on 29 Jan 2003 - 17:55

Java, really, was doomed from the get go. Sure, cross-platform code is a nice thought - but the fact of the matter is that Java cannot run without it's VM. Therefore, it's not as quick, effecient, and stable as C or C++.

#11 Eric Ferleman on 29 Jan 2003 - 20:18

I hope Sun loses this case. I've said it before and I'll say it again, they are entire company of sore losers, who are trying to make up for their shortcomings by suing MS.

(3 replies) #12 gameguy34 on 29 Jan 2003 - 21:51

all the anti-microsoft ppl are keeping quiet.... wonder if this means they have nothing to say.... for once

#12.1 Rambo2000 on 01 Feb 2003 - 16:20

I'm here and aloud and clear

, even thought some of you might of thought I was anti Microsoft, far from it, I'm pro competions and the problem for Microsoft is that they are trying to kill competions off by locking them in to there standed.

#12.2 gameguy34 on 02 Feb 2003 - 07:25

glad to hear from u

i dont mind competition, but i just have a thing about microsofts products.... they always seem to win in the long run. actually.... competition is good... hmm.... i think ive just turned less "pro-microsoft" than before. AHH! NOOO! the evil bastards are getting to me! lol, jk but anyway, no one is posting here anymore and id be surprised to see anyone reply to this

#12.3 Rambo2000 on 02 Feb 2003 - 13:58

The real problem when it comes to Microsoft is that they can make windows for a fration of the cost they sell it to us and then just copy it to one CD after another, it's the reason they can make as much money as they do. Where do you think Microsoft will stop killing competions?, they never will, there in that postions where they can under cut other competions until they get the market, not letting competions in and in the end, we'll be the ones suffering when there is next to no competions and Microsoft could charge us anything they want. No other company can do what Microsoft is doing, not on the same scale anyway because others don't get so much clean profit from something that cost very little to make compared to how much they make of it. The key to bring back lots of competions and make Microsoft compeat in a more fair way like other big companys do is by killing windows off, thats where Linux comes into it, how it will kill it is by making the OS worthless over time, meaning Microsoft can't make a profit on it and mean Microsoft will have to compeat like other companys do, they wont be able to under cut prices as much as they do now because it would do a lot of damage to Microsoft, which will being in much more competions in the market. By the way, be supprised, I posted

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