EXCLUSIVE: Windows XP Service Pack 1a Available
Posted by Steven Parker on 03 February 2003 - 23:14 · 66 comments & 1824 views
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#1 Posted by ahodes1 on 03 Feb 2003 - 23:16
- Sweet! Downloading now! that was... rather... unexpected
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#2 Posted by username on 03 Feb 2003 - 23:16
- [quote]Windows XP SP1a is the same as Windows XP SP1 except that the Microsoft virtual machine (VM) is removed in SP1a. [/quote]
[quote]There is no benefit to installing SP1a if you are already running Windows XP SP1. Microsoft does not recommend that you install SP1a if you are already running SP1.[/quote]
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#3 Posted by danbalsh on 03 Feb 2003 - 23:23
- Anyone tried it yet? Whats the build number? Does it add that "a" part to all the dialogs? Cheers
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#3.1 Posted by dacbo on 04 Feb 2003 - 00:18
- lol all most of you guys care about is version numbers, you dont actually care about the software
simple as that!
And i do care about the sofrware, seen as i use everyday 
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#4 Posted by oDD on 03 Feb 2003 - 23:24
- Wow a hole new service pack just to spite Sun? Microsoft really are evil now!
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#4.1 Posted by Deepu Sudhakar on 03 Feb 2003 - 23:28
- its not really to spite sun. rather, its sun spiting microsoft
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#4.2 Posted by werejag on 04 Feb 2003 - 05:20
- how is sun spiting microsoft? java was created by sun.
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#4.3 Posted by JaggedFlame on 04 Feb 2003 - 13:54
- They forced Microsoft to create this pack.
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#5 Posted by PR. on 03 Feb 2003 - 23:27
- MS can keep this Service Pack update. I don't use Java for anything other than web applets, and the MSJVM works fine. Hopefully MS will overturn Sun on this
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#5.1 Posted by Edge on 03 Feb 2003 - 23:44
- I hope so. Microsoft should be able to provide their own Java for their own operating systems.
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#5.3 Posted by oddBall on 03 Feb 2003 - 23:58
- Rubbish. The whole point of Java is not to provide versions at a high level specific to operating systems. Real Java programs run on all opertaing systems. Microsofts version of Java is 8 years old, and is not even real Java - they tried to screw all other operating systems and its about time they had to get in line The real Sun Java is damn fast, and runs heaps more. It has proper control panel applets too, so you can control what it is ding and everything. Real Java allows sound, full user interfaces (Swing) and security. Microsofts product is just rubbish.
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#5.4 Posted by shanemca on 04 Feb 2003 - 00:04
- I don't particually care what the whole point of Java is.. All I know is I don't want the Sun Java installed on my machine. Last time I tried it, it was complete crap. The system tray icon couldn't be removed, various donwloading and running dialogs popped up all over the place when downloading Java applets on webpages (where MSJVM just did it invisibly), and half the applets I tried didn't even work. No thanks.. I'll be skipping this service pack and SP1b and keeping MSJVM. Hopefully by SP2 they would have beaten Sun in court, or provide a way to uninstall the Sun crap...
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#5.5 Posted by oddBall on 04 Feb 2003 - 00:19
- All has changed my friend. The icon in the system tray can be suppressed using the control panel applet, and if you right click on it you can exit it. Cool little bar graphs inside the applet show load progress. You can switch off caching for privacy. Microsoft don't allow that. There also used to be some flickering probs, but they are well gone too. All is very good.
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#5.6 Posted by Edge on 04 Feb 2003 - 00:36
- The simple fact remains that Microsoft's Java is faster than Sun's on Windows. As an end user of Windows, I really don't care about Sun's operability on other platforms. I'll stick with Microsoft's VM because it works well on Microsoft's operating system.
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#5.7 Posted by oddBall on 04 Feb 2003 - 00:46
- The only reason its faster is because it doesn't do anything!!! Give me the full version with sound and graphics any day! Thats the reason I've got the slick hardware! http://java.sun.com/getjava/index.html
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#5.9 Posted by oddBall on 04 Feb 2003 - 00:48
- - Multiple posting - server still posts even though it says its too busy!
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#5.10 Posted by Edge on 04 Feb 2003 - 01:15
- LOL. I didn't know Java was dependant on hardware. Anyways stick with whichever suits you mate.
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#5.11 Posted by Zombie9920 on 04 Feb 2003 - 01:26
- [neoquote=#5.7 by oddBall]The only reason its faster is because it doesn't do anything!!!
Give me the full version with sound and graphics any day! Thats the reason I've got the slick hardware!
http://java.sun.com/getjava/index.html
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What the heck are you talking about man? I can hear sounds and I can see graphics in Java applets with the MS Java VM. I think you are just too anti-MS or something.
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#5.12 Posted by JaggedFlame on 04 Feb 2003 - 02:27
- oddBall, just curious... how many Java applets do you use regularly?
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#5.13 Posted by oddBall on 04 Feb 2003 - 02:49
- Almost none - but Java isn't only an applet tool. It does applets, but it really is a full programming language. My job is to write Java code. I write Java websites in JSP, and Java applications, but I've never had to write an applet. They're not much use. Applets are the only thing that MS Java is good for - Real Java is a bit more capable than that. Sun know that, and so do Microsoft, but it is in Microsofts best interests to kill off Java by limiting MS Java only to Applets so they can promote their own .NET technology
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#5.14 Posted by Knoxca on 04 Feb 2003 - 13:08
- [quote]Almost none - but Java isn't only an applet tool. It does applets, but it really is a full programming language. My job is to write Java code. I write Java websites in JSP, and Java applications, but I've never had to write an applet. They're not much use. Applets are the only thing that MS Java is good for - Real Java is a bit more capable than that. Sun know that, and so do Microsoft, but it is in Microsofts best interests to kill off Java by limiting MS Java only to Applets so they can promote their own .NET technology[/quote] Java is a pretty programming language, and easy to learn - but other than that is is slow and cumbersome compared to C and its flavours. I don't see much advantage in using Java over C/C++/C# for programming OTHER than applets.
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#5.15 Posted by JaggedFlame on 04 Feb 2003 - 13:55
- [neoquote=#5.13 by oddBall]Almost none - but Java isn't only an applet tool. It does applets, but it really is a full programming language. My job is to write Java code. I write Java websites in JSP, and Java applications, but I've never had to write an applet. They're not much use. Applets are the only thing that MS Java is good for - Real Java is a bit more capable than that. Sun know that, and so do Microsoft, but it is in Microsofts best interests to kill off Java by limiting MS Java only to Applets so they can promote their own .NET technology[/neoquote] That's true from a corporate standpoint, but I don't understand why this court made an order like this because no home users use those features regularly. And home users make up the bulk of the "market".
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#5.16 Posted by koan on 04 Feb 2003 - 15:52
- [neoquote=#5.14 by Knoxca][quote]Almost none - but Java isn't only an applet tool. It does applets, but it really is a full programming language. My job is to write Java code. I write Java websites in JSP, and Java applications, but I've never had to write an applet. They're not much use. Applets are the only thing that MS Java is good for - Real Java is a bit more capable than that. Sun know that, and so do Microsoft, but it is in Microsofts best interests to kill off Java by limiting MS Java only to Applets so they can promote their own .NET technology[/quote] Java is a pretty programming language, and easy to learn - but other than that is is slow and cumbersome compared to C and its flavours. I don't see much advantage in using Java over C/C++/C# for programming OTHER than applets.[/neoquote] Advantages are being able to compile on any platform, take the compiled code, and run on any platfrom that there is a JRE available for. It's called portability - and it's a HUGE advantage. Not to mention being able to use simple build tools such as ant intead of arcane system dependent tools like autoconf, etc.
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#6 Posted by JoGro123 on 03 Feb 2003 - 23:41
- Essentially all SP1a is, is a replacement for SP1 that DOES NOT include MS Java Virtual Run time. It was released to comply with the court case. While it is called SP1a there is NO difference (two reg keys) in terms of the system and future updates
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#7 Posted by JoGro123 on 03 Feb 2003 - 23:42
- oh yeah, and there will also be an sp1 b that will include Suns JRE
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#8 Posted by pHuzi0n on 03 Feb 2003 - 23:56
- This is all a bunch of BS. First Sun goes and begs MS to include Java in Windows, then they go to court and force MS to stop making/including it, now they go and force MS to include Sun's own damn JVM. Supposedly it's because MS doesn't implement new Java features fast enough but if that's the case, making MS include Sun's JVM wouldn't have ANY effect on what version users have installed. The average user will NEVER upgrade it (ie. it will stay outdated anyways).
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#9 Posted by pHuzi0n on 03 Feb 2003 - 23:56
- The damn server kept on sayin it was busy :-/
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#10 Posted by pHuzi0n on 03 Feb 2003 - 23:57
- Ditto
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#11 Posted by darkmark327 on 04 Feb 2003 - 00:03
- why is anyone bothering to install this? all it does is leave you without the ms java vm. whoopee.
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#12 Posted by supernova_00 on 04 Feb 2003 - 00:58
- So it uninstalls Ms java and installs Sun's java? So now MS is making us use Sun's java if we update? I smell a lawsuit coming on!
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#12.1 Posted by darkmark327 on 04 Feb 2003 - 01:33
- [neoquote=#12.0 by supernova_00]So it uninstalls Ms java and installs Sun's java? So now MS is making us use Sun's java if we update? I smell a lawsuit coming on![/neoquote] Well for those of us living under a rock, Sun sued MS [i]into[/i] including it, as you can see by the links in the headline above, specifically "View: Microsoft Complying with Court Order to Ship Sun's Technology"
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#13 Posted by Mystical112 on 04 Feb 2003 - 01:08
- u don't need it... just b happy...
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#14 Posted by Drestin on 04 Feb 2003 - 02:43
- SSSSLLLOOOOWWWW - the new Sun JVM is SSLLLOOWWW. And it keeps giving me errors on pages that worked perfectly before. One of our Java applets won't even run anymore. This version is a huge step BACKWARDS. I'm putting SP1 (not SP1a) back on my systems.
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#15 Posted by default1206 on 04 Feb 2003 - 02:44
- EXCLUSIVE? I don't get it.
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#16 Posted by Drestin on 04 Feb 2003 - 02:44
- Good news! An appeals court has stayed the order. MS doesn't have to include sun's crappy java anymore! Woo Hoo! Everyone - skip this download, it SUCKS!
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#16.1 Posted by Eric Ferleman on 04 Feb 2003 - 04:19
- Xactly.
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#16.2 Posted by werejag on 04 Feb 2003 - 05:12
- more like download it before mic$oft canks it! then we all get a choice on what java we use
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#16.3 Posted by darkmark327 on 04 Feb 2003 - 10:58
- you have a choice now you fool, just go to sun's site and download it
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#16.4 Posted by werejag on 04 Feb 2003 - 11:19
- true but having two copies of java on a system cuases problems. maybe your new to all this so ill forgive you son.
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#16.5 Posted by JaggedFlame on 04 Feb 2003 - 13:56
- And how does it cause problems?
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#17 Posted by OPaul on 04 Feb 2003 - 04:22
- Does this patch include same new key verifying algorithm as SP1 did?
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#17.1 Posted by werejag on 04 Feb 2003 - 05:14
- there was no "key verifying algorithm" in sp1. true 2-3 keys were blacklisted, but that does not mean its a "key verifying algorithm"!!!!!
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#18 Posted by default1206 on 04 Feb 2003 - 04:40
- I still don't get y this is Exclusive news. Can anyone explain.
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#19 Posted by Voodoo on 04 Feb 2003 - 05:02
- Neobond post the info & download first - before any other site, making it a Neowin Exclusive
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#20 Posted by FISKER_Q on 04 Feb 2003 - 05:33
- Well the only problem with sun's java here, is that almost no fucking applets work. all get some gayass looking red cross(not windows one).
Oh yeah, and i had many troubles uninstalling.
JVM works fine here, why upgrade?
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timdorr on 04 Feb 2003 - 05:46
- The MS JVM is slow and outdated. If people would look at 1.4 and see how much better it is for development AND for speed, we'd all be using it. [b]The Sun JVM *IS* faster than the MS one, while being able to do new Java features and high-level graphics.[/b]
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#21 Posted by default1206 on 04 Feb 2003 - 05:34
- My point is that this is not exclusive cause you didn't go out and write the story, or MS didnt say, here neowin, this news is for u. Its just copy and paste. thats my point!
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#22 Posted by Lock on 04 Feb 2003 - 06:57
- Sun JM is great, I love it when all my applets fail - whats the point unless all software/web developers rip out the MS JVM from their products and websites and update it to Sun JM - surely that would make the Sun JM industry standard and anti-competitive. (aka Micro$oft) ???
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#22.1 Posted by Knoxca on 04 Feb 2003 - 13:27
- [neoquote=#22.0 by Lock]Sun JM is great, I love it when all my applets fail - whats the point unless all software/web developers rip out the MS JVM from their products and websites and update it to Sun JM - surely that would make the Sun JM industry standard and anti-competitive. (aka Micro$oft) ??? [/neoquote] First of all, SUN INVENTED JAVA. I believe they have a right to fight for a place on the no. 1 consumer operating system in the world. Secondly of all, SUN is much more involved in open-source projects than MS will ever be. Thirdly, any program designed in SUN's Java is capable of being ported to any other system with ease. This may not matter to those of you who consider the computer world to only involve Winamp, Quake 3, and Windows XP themes - but it does matter to most of us. and finally, there is a thing called DOING THE RIGHT THING and if that involves removing the MS JVM from windows (which I believe it does) and replacing it with Sun's JRE then I am all for it. Open standards, no OLE crap. Well.. Sun is much more into open-source than MS
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#23 Posted by So-Unreal on 04 Feb 2003 - 09:54
- hmmm so I have to download a new Intergrated WIN XP....
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#24 Posted by jono3000 on 04 Feb 2003 - 10:32
- I wonder if adding the two registry keys to the registry in SP1 then rebooting XP will think its SP1a not SP1?!
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#25 Posted by darkmark327 on 04 Feb 2003 - 11:00
- why do any of you care about SP1a? OMG Big deal, it doesn't have the MS VM...if you want sun's it's not in this release anyway, just go download it from sun. I don't get what the big deal is, THE ONLY THING THIS UPDATE DOES IS REMOVE MS VM
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#26 Posted by jungle bill on 04 Feb 2003 - 11:03
- The link to MS VM is a nice one however its an old version ( 5.0.3805 )thats affected by a critical flaw! [url=http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-052.asp]Security Update MS02-052[/url] To download the latest version on MS VM head over to Windows Update and in Critical Updates & Service Packs look for 810030 Microsoft VM Security Update this is version 5.0.3809
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#27 Posted by altezza on 04 Feb 2003 - 13:37
- I thought I was going to need that update but turned out not necessary. I already got SP1 so no need installing SP1a
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#28 Posted by Zelpus on 04 Feb 2003 - 17:33
- what exactly is the diff of sp1a and sp1? just the java shit?
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#29 Posted by Elistas on 04 Feb 2003 - 19:03
- It seems people are confused about this update. Basically, YOU DON'T WANT IT. It is only Microsoft complying with the the judges ruling that they must remove the Microsoft Java Virtual Machine from Windows. (I personally love the Java VM, it works way better than Sun's within Windows!)
There are no other differences between SP1 and SP1a. Just no more Java (since SP1a doesn't even include Sun's Java.) If for some reason you have installed SP1a and would like the newest version of the MS VM grab it here: [url=http://members.shaw.ca/definitionsoftware/msvjm3809.exe]Microsoft Java Virtual Machine 5.00.3809[/url]
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#30 Posted by darkmark327 on 04 Feb 2003 - 23:10
- if you downloaded SP1a and then MS JVM you should [url=http://www.youdontknowwhoiam.org/]click here[/url]
Windows XP Service Pack 1a (SP1a) provides the latest security and reliability updates to the Windows XP family of operating systems, and includes Internet Explorer 6 SP1a. Windows XP SP1a is designed to ensure Windows XP platform compatibility with newly released software and hardware, and includes updates that resolve issues discovered by customers or by Microsoft's internal testing team. To determine whether to install Windows XP SP1a, we recommend reviewing the Windows XP documentation and information below. If you have already installed Windows XP SP1, you do not need to Windows XP SP1a.
For further information about the specific difference between Service Pack 1 and Service Pack 1a (SP1a) for Windows XP, see article 813926, Differences Between Windows XP SP1 and Windows XP SP1a.
Patch 1.05 Game Changes:
- Fixed a problem with viewing certain replays.
- Dates now use the system date format.
- Fixed some issues related to IME text input.
- Fixed some minor text wrapping issues that were occurring with Asian languages.
- Fixed an issue that allowed players to keep Castles and Keeps alive for abnormal lengths of time while those buildings were under attack.
Patch 1.04c Game Changes:
NOTES: Replays are incompatible between major game revisions. (1.03 replays cannot be viewed with the 1.04c version of Warcraft III.) Custom save games will not load from versions 1.03 and below.