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[quote]capacity for a full-length DVD-quality movie[/quote] Well who would have thaught that a DVD has enough "capacity for a full-length DVD-quality movie"?

just think with that lot you could fit about 5 if not more divx films on a dvdr heh

I think they're making a few assumptions here. In the UK you can pick up a 48X CD burner for less than 40 pounds, while a DVD Burner still costs around 200 pounds. It's going to be a long time yet before CD-RW is done with that sort of price difference. DVD burning simply costs too much at present. The figures they quote are, I have to say, way off.

[quote]That means enough capacity for a full-length DVD-quality movie,[/quote] that's simply not true. the empty DVD discs you can buy in the store are indeed 4,7 Gb, but the movies you buy on DVD are usually of a different format. those DVD's can hold ~9 Gb of data, so it can happen that you will need 2 consumer DVD discs in order to backup 1 factory produced movie on DVD. anyway, i'll wait till a standard has finally been decided on. either + or - is fine with me, but just pick one and get it over with.

aren't the DVD burner discs 4.7gig per side? which is 9gig? the only thing I am not sure about, is if I burn a DVD+RW or DVD-RW disc, which one will work in my DVD *READER* on my desk at work?

Wow. Somebody's jumping the gun. Yeah, sure, we'll all be burning DVDs within the next 5 to 10 years - but there still is not a set standard in DVD formats. Until there is one, DVD burning will not hit mainstream. Thanks, but I'll keep my CD-RW.

I am waiting for a really good Plextor or JLMS/Liteon DVD burner but I am in no hurry to get one at the moment.

DVD = 4.7Gb per layer. 2 Layers per side. Therefore the maximum of the DVD standard is 18Gb (Dual layer, Dual sided). However in most cases Dual layer discs are not used, and the writable DVD formats don't as yet support layers (I think). They do as someone mentioned support Dual sided discs though, so 9Gb is possible. Not sure if thats for all of the types.

2 words: Floppy Drive

I too, think it will be a long while yet before DVD recorders take over the market. Its still way too high priced compared to normal burners. Plus the market is flooded with normal cd burners.

Floppy Drive has become a standard among users, and I wouldn't be surprised if you see a little more SNEAKERNET in the days to come.

I have no use for a DVD-Burner, too much space if you ask me. My CD-Burner is just fine.

The idea that for a mere $xxx.xx more you can get a DVD Burner, so why buy a CD-R/-RW drive is moot. There are still a L-o-T of people out there that are C-h-E-a-P in every sense of the word. Look at the cheapy cheap Wal-Mart sub-$200 systems. If the person doesn't have the intent to use DVD burning capabilities, they won't pay for it. Gotta keep the costs down down down. I have a hard time selling higher end motherboards for that reason. Yes, there is that performance sector of the market that doesn't care how much it costs, but a majority of people aren't in that.

Until DVD burners hit the sub $100 segment, (my 40x Sony burner cost $60 after rebates when I got it in June) and the companies figure out which DVD format to go with on the blanks, I'll stick with what I have. The added would be nice but not a necessity at the moment.

So you're now posting someone's very questionable opinion as news. When I see the headlines "DVD writers outsell CDRW 2 to 1" then you'll have news! Until then, keep opinions in the editorials.

DVD's have a added advantage that they can be used like floppy disk in that you can write, delete, rewrite and all that like you would on a floppy or hard drive, CD's from what I know you can only write once, even with CD rewriters, you can only write once in the same space, meaning you can't delete of them. DVD's are much better and are faster as well, DVD's are the true floppy in that you can really write on them, now if only they just set a standed.

That's news to me. I've been deleting and rewriting CD-RWs for years.

I think the price of a 52x drive was misquoted there, let alone the media. 52x cd burners can be had for about $55 and the media for under 20cents/700mb DVD Burners arent nearly as cheap and neither is the media. Rarely do i need to store more than 700mb on one cd (I guess divx, svcd, etc would be nice but that is a different story)

CD burning is all but dead. This is mainly due to the fact that for most people 650mb is way to small. Seriously, you might be able to squeeze about three to four game demos per disc. Other reasons that CD burning is dying is the still unsupported universal packet writing standard in most burners (mt rainier) and the move to SACD and DVD-A for music. Most end users today have hard drives that are between 80 and 120gig (usually multiples of of two to eight). Also most PCs that are sold today come with more RAM than a CD can hold for that matter 768mb to 1024mb. When you add on a processor that comes in at well over 2GHz, video processing and large data processing become a reality. Also take note that both the PS2 and X-box use the DVD for gaming purposes. Most games that you get today come on two to three CDs. (Battlefield 1942/Unreal Tou2k3). It will be cheaper in the long run for gaming companies to deliver them on one DVD. Expect to see this by the time that Longhorn comes along. Native DVD burning under Linux and BSD will be a given too within a year at most. Apple already has done this with there version of BSD "Darwin". I think the superdrive now ships at 4x, full support, not just burning on 4x compatible media. I sure that cd burning will still be with us five years from now, but it will be more like the floppy drive. We can only hope by then that Intel kills the floppy-isa-pci based architectures soon. At least give us motherboards with AGP 8x and somewhere around six PCI-X slots (or a better standard). Serial ATA, USB-2, and 1394b need to also need to come standard on all PCs. Which would give companies another way of pushing DVD onto the consumer whether they want it or not.

When are they gona agree on a standard Re-Writable format to replace Floppy Discs?

I think that article is funny. Really fast CD-RW for $150! Add $100 then $50, and you can get a decent DVD-RW! I like how it adds the price incrementally to avoid saying "DOUBLE the price," which makes it sound even more expensive. However, as it's already been said, a 52x24x52x drive can be had for less than $100 at this point (but I still hear stuff about anything higher than 40x risks CD disintegration). So it's more like TRIPLE the price, and for those smart shoppers who know where to look, it'd be QUADRUPLE the price. It'd be nice to fit my whole mp3 collection on a single disc, but it's really not worth it yet. I'd like a DVD burner down the road, for the...ahem, obvious reasons. *eyes console games* I seem to remember when PC games were put out on DVD. Then it stopped. It's like DVD was all new and cool, then it died and everyone was content with CD again. I remember seeing Riven on a single DVD, but now you have to get it all on separate CDs. That always pissed me off. Plus, I've been on a hunt for a while now for the old enhanced DVD release of Journeyman Project 3: Legacy of Time, but NOBODY HAS IT. And only rarely is it on eBay. Blah. BLAH I SAY.

[quote]with the future clearly moving to DVD[/quote] anyone heard of BlueRay discs... thats where the future is moving as decided by all the DVD creators (sony, pioneer, toshiba, philips, etc, etc.).. they r going to scrap the DVD format as its condition is like linux.. too many competing DVD standards..

lol Blue Last technology that you talk about Sonys Media name of Blue Last technology is called "Blu-Ray" the actual technology is called Blue Laser. Anyway it already has 2 competiting standards and its only available in Japan! YOu may as well just accept both Media formats are here to stay, the companies have sunk too much Money into the formats to see either one fail, as have consumers. THe only advantage one has over the other is Microsoft is backing + Media. Thats a big advantage but the - media is still pushing in. What #16 meant was that DVD +RW supports packet writing. Which means I can burn a movie. Then delete or edit a file on the actual DVD movie, without having to erase the entire disc. Just like you can save a .txt file on a floppy and edit it and save it to the floippy again. The only thing stopping DVD burners from becomming standard is the cost of Media. In Australia DVD Burners are very affordable just the Media is still very dear, once that comes down well be cooking with Gas.

There's two formats and neither will win cause there both doing pretty well. DVD-R is cheaper and more popular but hardcore users use DVD+R or dual format players. I figure both formats are here to stay, I mean they have already both hit 4x