Sun Fires Latest Round in Java War
Posted by harryleung on 10 March 2003 - 15:13 · 19 comments & 1074 views
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#1 Posted by warr on 10 Mar 2003 - 15:15
- windows server 2003 includes .net frame work. the history of IE is re playing again.
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#1.1 Posted by Q25 on 10 Mar 2003 - 15:18
- I happen to like working with the .Net Framework.. So I don't mind..
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#2 Posted by xStainDx on 10 Mar 2003 - 15:23
- All the librarys and dll's are installed on any windows OS to get all your programs that you run to work on windows during installation of the OS. installing the .NET Framework is the same idea. In order to get applications built on the .NET framework installed you need to have the framwork. Pre-Installing it is just satisfiying the same idea as the rest of you VB , C++, etc applications.
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#3 Posted by Neobond on 10 Mar 2003 - 15:27
- [quote] Sun Microsystems faces "irreparable harm" if an injunction ordering Microsoft to include Sun's Java Runtime Environment with its products is overturned, Sun said in a legal brief filed Friday.[/quote] Well if the decision is overturned then maybe they should've thought twice about suing them to include their products. I still think its funny that they *expect* their technology to be shipped in a product under Microsoft control. but thats me.
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#3.1 Posted by Jason on 10 Mar 2003 - 15:29
- How about Solaris being forced to include a version of the .Net framework.
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#3.2 Posted by Neobond on 10 Mar 2003 - 15:31
- Have you got a link? I'd be interested to read up on that.
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#3.3 Posted by Jason on 10 Mar 2003 - 15:34
- Unfortuantly, its something I made up. It sounds absurd but why not ? MS may be forced to include a third party program so why shouldn't SUN.
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#3.4 Posted by xStainDx on 10 Mar 2003 - 16:03
- [neoquote=#3.1 by Jason]How about Solaris being forced to include a version of the .Net framework.[/neoquote] Thats not possible,OFFICIALLY. Remember that linux development kiddies, since i know about that port to linux for .NET. .NET Framework on runs on Windows as this time.
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#3.5 Posted by Zatko55 on 10 Mar 2003 - 18:27
- Ummm, does MS provide the .NET framework for non-microsoft platforms like Solaris? No. And they never will. Sun provides Java for many different platforms. It doesn't discriminate like MS. And remember people, the sueing comes from what M$ did with the Java Virtual Machine... they hosed it and gave Java an undeserved bad name for Windows users. The microsoft jvm [b]was never certified as a real java vm[/b].
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#3.6 Posted by JaggedFlame on 10 Mar 2003 - 18:41
- The .NET Framework isn't even theirs anymore: it's an ECMA standard. This means that if [u]you[/u] want a non-Microsoft platform version, do it yourself. No one's stopping you. On the other hand, when Microsoft tries to make a Microsoft platform version of the Java VM, they get raped. Personally, I prefer the first.
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#3.7 Posted by Zatko55 on 10 Mar 2003 - 21:59
- The .NET platform isn't a standard. [b]C#, a language in .NET which is strikingly similar to Java, is being standardized. .NET is still ms proprietary.[/b]
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#3.8 Posted by JaggedFlame on 11 Mar 2003 - 01:29
- No. Many parts of the framework, except for System.ADO and System.Windows.Forms, I think, are standardized.
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#4 Posted by g33kb0y on 10 Mar 2003 - 19:19
- *wwaaaa* My product sucks and I'm going to sue everyone to force them to use it! *humph*
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#5 Posted by GaMMa on 10 Mar 2003 - 19:32
- The problem with having .NET framework standard on Solaris is MS hasn't developed it for Linux systems... Sun developed their JavaVM for Windows platforms.. and if MS wants them to include .NET I'm sure they'd gladly include it IF MS developed and programmed a port for it.. why should Sun use their resources to develope a rival product?
Anyway lay off Sun they're a great company, they're just trying to get by.. and MS is destroying their business using their monopoly. So I side with Sun. -
#5.1 Posted by warr on 11 Mar 2003 - 02:43
- [neoquote=#5.0 by GaMMa]The problem with having .NET framework standard on Solaris is MS hasn't developed it for Linux systems... Sun developed their JavaVM for Windows platforms.. and if MS wants them to include .NET I'm sure they'd gladly include it IF MS developed and programmed a port for it.. why should Sun use their resources to develope a rival product?
Anyway lay off Sun they're a great company, they're just trying to get by.. and MS is destroying their business using their monopoly. So I side with Sun.[/neoquote]
good.
Windows is what MS survives on.
if they ever develop a .net virtual machine for other OS than windows family, that means they are eating their own sh!t. Gates and Ballmer not so naive.
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#6 Posted by jl7c2 on 10 Mar 2003 - 20:58
- I agree completely, GaMMA!
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#7 Posted by Zatko55 on 10 Mar 2003 - 22:02
- People. Don't confuse C# with .NET! C# is being registered by MS to be a standard programming language. And by language, that means syntax. It has nothing to do with the .NET framework except that it is one of the languages supported on the platform. The framework is 100% microsoft controlled.
The brief is the latest action in a private antitrust lawsuit filed by Sun against Microsoft in March 2002 regarding the emergence of Microsoft's.Net platform as a competitor to the Java language and JRE.
Sun alleges that Microsoft has tried to kill developer interest in Java by distributing its own version that is incompatible with the version of Java controlled by Sun, thus creating uncertainty in the developer community and driving developers to use Microsoft's competing.Net platform.
Sun asked for, and on December 23, 2002, was granted by U.S. District Court Judge Frederick Motz, an injunction that ordered Microsoft to offer the JRE with all versions of Windows XP (news - web sites) and with all Web browsers that include.Net functionality. Microsoft appealed the decision, and the injunction was halted in January by an appeals court pending a review of the case.
Ongoing Appeals.
Microsoft's first brief, filed on February 13, asked the court to set aside the injunction, saying that Java, and not.Net, was the dominant product in the market for distributed computing platforms.
In its reply brief, Sun says the injunction must be granted before Microsoft's anti-competitive actions begin to tip the market towards.Net.
"Microsoft asks this court to wait until the harm [to Sun and Java] has become certain, at which point it will be irremediable and intervention will be pointless," Sun wrote in its brief, adding, "The harm confronting Sun is so egregious and irremediable, equity demands judicial intervention."
Sun has stated that Microsoft's action in offering its own incompatible Microsoft Java Virtual Machine is a breach of Sun's copyright and an attempt to damage the Java platform. Microsoft now offers a Windows XP Service Pack, known as XP SP1a, which is identical to the previous service pack but excludes the MSJVM.
"Because Sun has established a prima facie claim of copyright infringement, it is entitled to both the presumption of probable success on the merits of its copyright claim and the presumption of irreparable harm if infringing conduct is not enjoined," Sun wrote in the brief.
Oral arguments in the appeal are scheduled for April 3 before the U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia.