W3C Standards Meeting goes ahead without MS and IBM

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The World Wide Web Consortium has been meeting to develop new standards for Web services, but Microsoft and IBM have chosen not to participate in the meeting, despite then being two of the biggest proponents of Web services.

The meeting is considering how business processes can be automated through Web services, particularly involving the use of XML to allow for important software to be modelled and developed within an organisation.

People taking part in the push to create standards fear the lack of participation from MS and IBM could mean there will be competing and incompatible proposals for standards developed. It has been speculated that the W3C’s use of patents and it’s royalty policy are the reasons why these major companies have kept away.

The head of the working group which is holding the meeting has stated that “Personally I think (IBM and Microsoft are) shooting themselves in the foot”.

News source: ZDNet

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#1 crookram on 14 Mar 2003 - 15:02

so, basically this meeting is useless. it's nice to talk about standards, but if all noses are not facing the same way you'll keep on going like we do now, ie every browser developer will just do whathever they like.

#2 Oogle on 14 Mar 2003 - 16:30

I thought standards were typically enacted after new proprietary technology becomes popular. For example: javascript/ecmascript, DVD-R/RAM/RW, DOM, ANSI C++, etc. This sounds like the opposite is happening.

#3 8tImER on 14 Mar 2003 - 17:44

Like MS would keep to those standards, even if they were there, too.

(2 replies) #4 tuxracer on 14 Mar 2003 - 18:02

Why should they show up? I'm not sure what IBM has up their sleaves, but Microsoft has simply practiced embrace and extend ever since they first supposedly supported standards. If you make a browser that supports non-standard code that is unique to it self, then you make web development tools that create more of this non-standard code that only works with their browser, people will be locked in. The next step is to just forcefully include this software on 95% of the computers around the world, not even so much as allow them to remove it from their computers, and by doing so unsurprisingly gain 94% market share. Webmasters will not care how non-standard their code is as long as it works in IE. So when users do try other browsers they see glitches and errors in web pages that have IE only code, they blaim the browser, and they go back to IE. When webmasters view their page in another browser when their page has IE only code, they see glitches and errors and blaim the browser, and make sure they put a "Best if viewed with IE" banner on their page. See how wonderfully that worked out? Not only are your current users extremely unlikely to abandon your product, it also gets extra promation by web masters. And Microsoft would abandon this nice little scheme why? They would give a shit about some w3 standards meeting why? As for IBM, we have yet to see what their motives are. Unless I am ignorant to things they have done in the past relating to this.

#4.1 warr on 15 Mar 2003 - 01:55

[neoquote=#4.0 by tuxracer]Why should they show up? I'm not sure what IBM has up their sleaves, but Microsoft has simply practiced embrace and extend ever since they first supposedly supported standards. If you make a browser that supports non-standard code that is unique to it self, then you make web development tools that create more of this non-standard code that only works with their browser, people will be locked in. The next step is to just forcefully include this software on 95% of the computers around the world, not even so much as allow them to remove it from their computers, and by doing so unsurprisingly gain 94% market share. Webmasters will not care how non-standard their code is as long as it works in IE. So when users do try other browsers they see glitches and errors in web pages that have IE only code, they blaim the browser, and they go back to IE. When webmasters view their page in another browser when their page has IE only code, they see glitches and errors and blaim the browser, and make sure they put a "Best if viewed with IE" banner on their page. See how wonderfully that worked out? Not only are your current users extremely unlikely to abandon your product, it also gets extra promation by web masters. And Microsoft would abandon this nice little scheme why? They would give a shit about some w3 standards meeting why? As for IBM, we have yet to see what their motives are. Unless I am ignorant to things they have done in the past relating to this.[/neoquote] the webmasters would rather be such a slave.

#4.2 JaggedFlame on 15 Mar 2003 - 03:43

Right, a slave. By adhering to the majority. With that logic, you're a slave to your government because you live in your country.

#5 Tom Servo on 14 Mar 2003 - 18:27

Patent issues? On WDSL??? Now they're patenting XML schemas? Or is thatz ZDnet guy just a plain moron for making a guess about something he got no clue about?

(1 reply) #6 mintll on 14 Mar 2003 - 19:46

Why would MS need to be there?

#6.1 nacs on 15 Mar 2003 - 02:12

Hey why isn't that scrolling in my Mozilla window?

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