AMD and Nvidia claim 400MHz bus will beat Pentium 4

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THE COMBINATION OF an AMD Barton and the Nvidia Nforce 2 will beat Intel 3GHz+ Pentium 4 processors "with or without hyperthreading", according to internal documents seen by the INQUIRER. And both AMD and Nvidia claim that could be by as much as 25 per cent using a selected set of benchmarks. According to the documents, the combination of an Nvidia Nforce 2 Barton 3000+ combination will also outstrip the Via KT400 Barton 3000+ combination too, with some benchmarks such as WB HE GFX showing a boost of 25 per cent over the Via offerings.

The same documents we saw claimed that was true even for an Nforce 2 based Thoroughbred 2800+, compared to a Barton 3000+ using the Via KT400 chipset. The 400MHz front side bus using the SiSOFT Mem Int benchmark will boost performance over the 333MHz front side bus for AMD by around 18%, while DX-06 will show a 15% gain, and SiSOFT MemFP a 16% gain, the same documents showed.

Next year we'll see SoundStorm 2 from Nvidia, a discrete chip design designed for both AMD and Intel chips, according to the documents.

News source: The Inq

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#1 vacs on 19 Mar 2003 - 20:09

P4 with 533MHz FSB? probably, but not with 800MHz FSB and Dual Channel DDR Ram. "a selected set of benchmarks", of course has AMD choosen a set of benchmark which favour Athon CPUs in every way. So, the statement isn't valid as long as neutral reviewers haven't seen and tested the new Bartons

#2 zivan56 on 19 Mar 2003 - 20:13

Benchmarks for anything are bullshit. Yes, keep on rolling out benchmark software that takes advantage of SSE2, 3DNow!, MMX, MMX+. All benchmark programs should have not optimizations made to them.

#3 Jason on 19 Mar 2003 - 20:15

You can always find a benchmark that is in your favour, they are meaningless.

#4 Hills420 on 19 Mar 2003 - 20:15

Benchmarks are always skewed...

(5 replies) #5 vacs on 19 Mar 2003 - 20:16

"THE COMBINATION OF an AMD Barton and the Nvidia Nforce 2 will beat Intel 3GHz+ Pentium 4 processors "with or without hyperthreading"," This means that AMD is admitting that their current CPUs (XP 2000+ and Bartron 3000+) do not beat the P4 3.06GHz! Now that's something new for a change. I wonder when they will admit that PR rating system has brought more confusion to the consumers than helped anyone...

#5.1 username on 19 Mar 2003 - 20:43

the PR rating has nothing to do with the P4... it is based off of the 1.4ghz Athlon Tbird... it just happened that many of the PR names beat the same speed P4

#5.2 vacs on 19 Mar 2003 - 20:58

Did I say that the PR Rating is based on a P4? That's was not my point with the confusion. The point is that a Barton 3000+ is in most tasks slower than a Athlon XP 2800+! Confusing or? Just read reviews at Anandtech, THG or whereever to confirm this...

#5.3 username on 19 Mar 2003 - 21:05

you said in your first post [quote]AMD is admitting that their current CPUs (XP 2000+ and Bartron 3000+) do not beat the P4 3.06GHz[/quote], you were comparing them and only in a few tasks was the 2800 faster then the 3000

#5.4 vacs on 19 Mar 2003 - 21:41

*I was just comparing different CPUs, not the PR Rating with Mhz! That's a difference. Do not try to conclude things out of my posts which I haven't said. * Secondly, it doesn't matter if a 2800+ was only faster in a few tasks or many than a Barton 3000+, the fact that the 2800+ is faster is severe enough since both CPU are based on the same architecture/core. The 3000+ has only double the L2 cache but less Mhz then the Athlon XP 2800+. However AMD is giving it a higher rating. Sounds like cheating marketing to me...

#5.5 dismuter on 20 Mar 2003 - 06:09

[neoquote=#5.1 by username]the PR rating has nothing to do with the P4... it is based off of the 1.4ghz Athlon Tbird... it just happened that many of the PR names beat the same speed P4[/neoquote] Oh come on, who are you kidding? That's AMD's official version, but it's quite visible that AMD is playing catch up with Intel's numbers. And there's no way the 1.4Ghz XP1600+ was equivalent to 1600Mhz T-Bird in the first place.

(4 replies) #6 Knight' on 19 Mar 2003 - 20:35

Lets just wait for the 64bit AMD, that will crush any P4

#6.1 vacs on 19 Mar 2003 - 20:47

this still needs to be proved. Did you read the article on the Inquirer where they benchmarked a Athlon 64 3000+ with a GeForce Ti4800 or similar which only scored 7800 points in 3d mark 2001? Normally a P4 2.4Ghz scores around 12500 with that graphiccard

Don't forget that the next P4 generation will come out in Q3/Q4 2003 which will be significally faster than the current P4s...

#6.2 Tobbe on 19 Mar 2003 - 21:33

[neoquote=#6.0 by Knight']Lets just wait for the 64bit AMD, that will crush any P4

[/neoquote] Don't compare 64-bit to 32-bit CPUs. Lets compare 286 and 386. WOW! 16MHz 386 is faster than 16MHz 286!

#6.3 Jason on 19 Mar 2003 - 21:34

64 "BITS" alone does not mean more power, it means it can address more ram.

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#6.4 leebobs on 20 Mar 2003 - 14:51

[neoquote=#6.3 by Jason]64 "BITS" alone does not mean more power, it means it can address more ram.[/neoquote] No it means that in one clock cycle it can process 64 bits compared to 32. It can also address memory 'to the power of 64' as opposed to the current 'to the power of 32 limit.'

#7 Beast_4thHM on 19 Mar 2003 - 20:38

I'm sorry but I can't help it.... *LAUGH* *LAUGH* *LAUGH*

#8 Proteus8898 on 19 Mar 2003 - 20:54

The Inquierer is pure bull****. Its an unreliable source of information and shouldnt be quoted on such a nice site as NeoWin.

(2 replies) #9 xStainDx on 19 Mar 2003 - 21:12

Sorry, but according to the first benchmarks of Springdale/Canterwood, This ain't gonna happen.

#9.1 Jason on 19 Mar 2003 - 21:32

Not forgetting the up and coming prescott core processor with 1meg cache, 800 fsb, better hyper threading, 0.9 micron, more instructions (PNI).

#9.2 Octol on 20 Mar 2003 - 12:20

[neoquote=#9.1 by Jason]Not forgetting the up and coming prescott core processor with 1meg cache, 800 fsb, better hyper threading, 0.9 micron, more instructions (PNI).[/neoquote] I'm a little bit skeptical about the power of Prescott. Therefore, I believe that Intel should send me one (with a suitable MB) as soon as possible for testing!

(1 reply) #10 btallack on 19 Mar 2003 - 22:15

Why does it seem to me that it's getting to the point where comparing AMD to Intel is about as effective as comparing PCs to Macintosh? It doesn't matter any more. both have their advantages and disadvantages. That's life.

#10.1 dismuter on 20 Mar 2003 - 06:23

I don't agree. Maybe you're an enthousiast who just thinks processors are life, but when a consumer goes in a shop, he will need a comparison to know which processor to choose. Same for Macs and PCs.

#11 DjmUK on 19 Mar 2003 - 23:33

Athlon's are definately faster than P4's. I have P4 2.0GHz & a Athlon XP 1800+ (1.53GHz), and yet, the Athlon is a hell of a lot faster. 32-bit & 64-bit. Of course the 64-bit is going to be faster (but not twice as fast as many believe), it's all to do with how much data can be tranferred to & from memory etc. in some tasks it will be faster and other's will have no noticable difference. Saying that, the OS has to be 64-bit. WinXP Pro 64-bit isn't available for retail I dont' think, but it's not going to be much price difference because it's only a matter of re-compiling the OS to get the HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) sorted. Anyways, Athlon XP 64-bit "barton(?)" core will definitely rock..! I'm seriously considering waiting and then purchasing one of those babies (price dependant of course).

(1 reply) #12 RobertH on 19 Mar 2003 - 23:43

[quote]Next year we'll see SoundStorm 2 from Nvidia, a discrete chip design designed for both AMD and Intel chips, according to the documents.[/quote] I didnt understand that bit, what is it going to be some sort of add-in card?

#12.1 dismuter on 20 Mar 2003 - 06:25

Must be a chipset.

#13 pocket cd-r on 20 Mar 2003 - 07:34

i will get this combo, because the point that i see in teh article is that it will be fast, and if im happy with it, then that is all that i need. high fps

#14 leebobs on 20 Mar 2003 - 11:27

I don't see why AMD don't move the entire Athlon XP line onto a 333Mhz FSB and move the top end processors (all barotns) onto the 400Mhz FSB. It would make AMD the best budget processor and the top end would deal with all the speed freaks.

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