DVD Forum fights back against Blu-Ray incursions

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A NEW DVD FORMAT will be unveiled by the DVD consortium this year in a bid to fight back against the Blu-Ray formats being promoted by Sony. Toshiba and NEC will take the lead on the format, expected to be released this year, which may give four times the capacity of existing disks.

The disks will be the same size and will use leading edge blue ray lasers to increase density. Reports said that single side and single layer DVDs will provide 20GB of data space and when they're pushed into double layer mode, that means a DVD disk will hold around 40GB of data.

Otherwise the disks will look identical to the current standard, but the players will have to take account of the new format too.

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#1 epple on 08 Apr 2003 - 15:40

cool.

but i bet they'll cost a bunch. shame u gotta have a new dvd-player tho. :disappoin

(1 reply) #2 Ti220 on 08 Apr 2003 - 16:18

I have been following this Blu-Ray stuff for a bit and it looks very promising.

#2.1 Tobbe on 08 Apr 2003 - 17:25

[neoquote=#2.0 by Ti220]I have been following this Blu-Ray stuff for a bit and it looks very promising.[/neoquote] Yeap...

#3 mimeryme on 08 Apr 2003 - 18:46

bah, another format war! boo. just come out w/ the holographic data storage already.

(6 replies) #4 Homie on 08 Apr 2003 - 19:36

damn this, you know sony is just gonna win anyway, it already owns patents to standard CDs, why even bother your only gonna piss off alot of consumers

#4.1 ltworf on 08 Apr 2003 - 20:37

What are you talking about Sony doesnt own the patent to the standard CD. It was Phillips or something like that, that created the CD. If you havent noticed there hasnt been a Sony developed media format that is widely used. Lets see Betamax - no, MiniDisc - No.

#4.2 happymonkey on 08 Apr 2003 - 21:07

[neoquote=#4.1 by ltworf]What are you talking about Sony doesnt own the patent to the standard CD. It was Phillips or something like that, that created the CD. If you havent noticed there hasnt been a Sony developed media format that is widely used. Lets see Betamax - no, MiniDisc - No.[/neoquote] what the f? sony started floppy discs, cd (with philips), dvd (with others), memory sticks and about a million other formats, media types and numberous hardware devices. also, with 10 years past minidisc is doing well indeed!!! I think you can add tapes and vinyl to the list, too!

#4.3 Jiles on 08 Apr 2003 - 21:38

#4.4 ltworf on 08 Apr 2003 - 23:30

[neoquote=#4.2 by happymonkey]what the f? sony started floppy discs, cd (with philips), dvd (with others), memory sticks and about a million other formats, media types and numberous hardware devices. also, with 10 years past minidisc is doing well indeed!!! I think you can add tapes and vinyl to the list, too![/neoquote] HAHA you make me laugh!! Now did I say the werent involved in other formats?? No!! As for the Floppy Disk IBM invented that in 1971 to be exact. CD i was mistaken, a guy by the name of James Russell invented it and patented it in 1965, but was finally mass produced by Phillips in the 1980's. DVD headed by Matsushita, but backed by Philips, Sony, and Toshiba. Tapes -- once again Phillips in 1962. As for Memory Stick yes they did invent that, but how many non-sony products use compared the other memory cards out there? If you would like to check this for youself please feel free to. Here is my [URL=http://inventors.about.com]source.[/URL] Once again thanks for posting on sh*t you dont know about, its what keeps this forum alive!!!

#4.5 Jstphish on 08 Apr 2003 - 23:42

[neoquote=#4.4 by ltworf]HAHA you make me laugh!! Now did I say the werent involved in other formats?? No!! As for the Floppy Disk IBM invented that in 1971 to be exact. CD i was mistaken, a guy by the name of James Russell invented it and patented it in 1965, but was finally mass produced by Phillips in the 1980's. DVD headed by Matsushita, but backed by Philips, Sony, and Toshiba. Tapes -- once again Phillips in 1962. As for Memory Stick yes they did invent that, but how many non-sony products use compared the other memory cards out there? If you would like to check this for youself please feel free to. Here is my [URL=http://inventors.about.com]source.[/URL]Once again thanks for posting on sh*t you dont know about, its what keeps this forum alive!!!

[/neoquote] Bye the way, Betamax is still used in broadcasting as the definative format, although it has been updated.

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#4.6 Darkwolven on 09 Apr 2003 - 04:05

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#5 Joshie on 08 Apr 2003 - 20:08

Damnation, and here I thought Blu-Ray would save us from the annoying +R/-R crap, but nooooooo.

#6 scyphe on 08 Apr 2003 - 20:53

I can only agree with post #5. Now we're seeing Blu+ & Blu- or something.. Crap..

#7 DsnBehind on 08 Apr 2003 - 21:46

Yay! More DVD standards! This is exactly what we needed. (Conclude sarcasm...)

(2 replies) #8 MxxCon on 08 Apr 2003 - 23:05

blu-ray is not going to happen. blu-ray investment is way too much. [U]everything[/U] has to be upgraded to support blu-ray. from end-user equipment to manufacturing factories. dvd-mpeg4 is where the future is. manufacturing remains exactly the same, the only upgrade that's needed is to dvd-player firmware. and it's very stupid of you people to mindlessly cheer for any format as long as it has largest capacity. you don't even know the drawbacks of blu-ray or dvd-mpeg4 or this "new" format.

#8.1 wibble on 09 Apr 2003 - 00:08

Standalone DVD players use hardware mpeg2 decoders these can not be software upgraded to support MPEG4. The new standard being talked about here is called AOD. AOD = Advanced Optical Disk AKA DVD-HD. BlueRay != AOD. AOD looks just like a DVD, costs the same as a DVD to manufacture just requires blue laser based player to read it. AOD does not need any significant expenduture spending on upgrading factories, nor does it require band new mastering tools to be produced. Migating to MPEG4 would require new mastering tools. Blueray disks, arn't really disks but cartrages. A bluray disk has the same physical demensions as a DVD-RAM disk. The real issue with bluray is current announced players lack any form of DVD/CD backwards compatiblity. As a pre-recorded medium bluray is basically DOA. AOD players thankfully feature full DVD-Video backwards compatiblity. DVD-MPEG4 is a deadend as far as standarisation goes, hey kids if we're going to set a new standard, then using newer higher capacity media is a no brainer. If that new media doesn't require higher compression then hey, lets stick with good old MPEG2. Don't forget the cost per unit sold of MPEG2-MP@HL versus MPEG4-MP@HL the mpeg2 chipset will be significantly cheaper. Then you have crazy licensing fees covering mastering when producing MPEG4 material.

#8.2 hardgiant on 09 Apr 2003 - 01:00

Sony has already released Blu Ray so yes it will be launched this summer.

[URL=http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/6963]story[/URL]

#9 Jstphish on 08 Apr 2003 - 23:46

It's too bad this technology didn't get developed faster until after the DVD format came around. I read about blue lasers a few years before DVD was born.

#10 Zeni on 09 Apr 2003 - 01:26

Blu-Ray looks all fancy and good, but I don't think many Joe Workadays and Sally Minimumwage's are gonna go out and spend 10 grand on a Blu-Ray recorder. It's meant for industrial uses, not home use, I doubt any feature of it will be incorperated into homes anytime soon.

#11 micahelthomas on 20 Apr 2003 - 19:43

US Company Patented UV/Blue Holographic nanoTechnology many years ago. http://www.colossalstorage.net

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